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Of course it's balanced...

Pappy13Pappy13 Member Posts: 2,138

I'm gonna start my own theory (because I'm bored and this should make some good reading) and that theory is that WoW is PERFECTLY balanced.  I know, laughable right?  Well here is my logic.

Everyone states that WoW isn't balanced and practically no one disagrees, but practically everyone also has a completely different set of reasons for believing the game is imbalanced.  Since almost no 2 people completely agree on everything that's imbalanced, then it's completely balanced in a whacked out weird sort of way.  Ok, it's only a theory...it needs some work.  Discuss 

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  • b0rderline99b0rderline99 Member Posts: 1,441

    its actually a pretty balanced game, practically any class can be successful if they are played right.  and i totally agree with you that everyone moans about their class not being good enough, when they are all different classes

  • iCehiCeh Member UncommonPosts: 884

    The main problem with Blizzard and their balancing is that they tend to nerf a class, instead of fixing it. For example, a Warrior owns a Rogue, and Blizzard will nerf that Warrior because of its imbalance against one class. If they focused on what makes one class overpowered against another, then they'd be able to balance it a lot better.

    Blizzard seem to be getting better at it though, as I noticed a post on their forums that the "OMFG! NERF X CLASS NOW!!!" will be ignored and deleted... Judging by some of Blizzards past decisions I'd say they actually used to listen to those type of people. ;P

    -iCeh

  • ShijukiShijuki Member UncommonPosts: 318
    Originally posted by iCeh


    The main problem with Blizzard and their balancing is that they tend to nerf a class, instead of fixing it. For example, a Warrior owns a Rogue, and Blizzard will nerf that Warrior because of its imbalance against one class. If they focused on what makes one class overpowered against another, then they'd be able to balance it a lot better.
    Blizzard seem to be getting better at it though, as I noticed a post on their forums that the "OMFG! NERF X CLASS NOW!!!" will be ignored and deleted... Judging by some of Blizzards past decisions I'd say they actually used to listen to those type of people. ;P

    They have said balancing 1vs1 is impossible, instead they are aiming for group balancing (i.e 5vs5, 6vs6 etc.). Also, a rogue could own a warrior just as easily as the opposite, it all comes down to the player and his/her knowledge of how to play the class and knowing as well as taking advantage of your opponents weakness.

  • EnigmaEnigma Member UncommonPosts: 11,384

    I actually have no problems with the PvP and/or class system in WoW.

     

    Very balanced. Each class has its advantages and disadvantages. 

    People who have to create conspiracy and hate threads to further a cause lacks in intellectual comprehension of diversity.

  • lordphycuslordphycus Member Posts: 27

    Not to beat a dead horse, but I agree.  If WoW got one thing right it was the character classes I have seen all the possible characters have success in pve and pvp.  It's all a matter of who's driving.  If you take time thinking out your build, equipment, and strategy there's no reason you can't compete.

  • redcap036redcap036 Member UncommonPosts: 1,230

    Hi, can anyone please tell me how big a download WoW is, or how big the foot print is on the hard drive?

  • AntipathyAntipathy Member UncommonPosts: 1,362

    Every class has unskilled players who constantly moan about how crap the class is, how much it needs improving, how some other class easily beats them and should be nerfed. These are normally clueless idiots who are running the wrong build, have poor gear and have no idea whatsoever how to play.

     In large scale pvp (i.e. battlegrounds), the WoW classes are resonably balanced. However in 1 v 1, 2 v 2 and 3 v 3, they aren't. I think this is inevitable - it's pretty impossible for Blizz to balance everything for pve, large scale pvp and small scale pvp at the same time.

    There are also imbalances at particular level ranges e.g. at 10-19 rogues and hunters are quite strong, whilst warlocks are comparatively weak until they hit 40.

  • cupertinocupertino Member Posts: 1,094

    Originally posted by redcap036


    Hi, can anyone please tell me how big a download WoW is, or how big the foot print is on the hard drive?
    About 4gig download www.warcraft.com (10day demo)

    Installed footprint is 7.25Gig (but that includes TBC expansion too)

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  • AguyAguy Member Posts: 561

    With a few tweaks your theory works.  This is a very balanced game.  Every class can dominate a certain one, while get owned by another.  It's just the way it works.

  • Tutu2Tutu2 Member UncommonPosts: 572

     

    Originally posted by Aguy


    With a few tweaks your theory works.  This is a very balanced game.  Every class can dominate a certain one, while get owned by another.  It's just the way it works.

     

    You're forgetting warlocks, who can easily dominate anyone with little effort. Chain fear, dots, throw the pet on the target = Win. The most overpowered class, especially in PvP. And yes fear breaks quicker then it used to and has been nerfed multiple times, but with multiple strong dot spells eating away at you its still enough time to kill you before you even have a chance to hit the lock a few times. And of course if you get their health low enough they'll pop a healthstone..and its chain fear all over again. Everyone complains they're OP, and its true. (I played one to 42, so I believe I have enough experience to know what they're like before someone jumps on me and says STFU and that I've never played one properly. ) Warlocks are the biggest problem with PvP balance in WoW IMO!

  • iCehiCeh Member UncommonPosts: 884

    Originally posted by Tutu2


     
    Originally posted by Aguy


    With a few tweaks your theory works.  This is a very balanced game.  Every class can dominate a certain one, while get owned by another.  It's just the way it works.

     

    You're forgetting warlocks, who can easily dominate anyone with little effort. Chain fear, dots, throw the pet on the target = Win. The most overpowered class, especially in PvP. And yes fear breaks quicker then it used to and has been nerfed multiple times, but with multiple strong dot spells eating away at you its still enough time to kill you before you even have a chance to hit the lock a few times. And of course if you get their health low enough they'll pop a healthstone..and its chain fear all over again. Everyone complains they're OP, and its true. (I played one to 42, so I believe I have enough experience to know what they're like before someone jumps on me and says STFU and that I've never played one properly. ) Warlocks are the biggest problem with PvP balance in WoW IMO!

    And they can do that to multiple targets! DoT DoT DoT <TAB> DoT DoT DoT <TAB>

    -iCeh

  • redcap036redcap036 Member UncommonPosts: 1,230

    Hi cupertino, thank you :)

  • AntipathyAntipathy Member UncommonPosts: 1,362

    Originally posted by Tutu2
    You're forgetting warlocks, who can easily dominate anyone with little effort.
    I'd disagree - warlocks aren't completely dominant. A well geared warrior, a skillful rogue, or a BM specced hunter all stand a chance against a lock.

    However no-one dominates warlocks, whilst warlocks dominate several other classes. Hence they are still OP in 1v1.

  • BrianshoBriansho Member UncommonPosts: 3,586

    how do you kill a paladin who throws up a bubble when his health hits 10% and heals back to 100%?

    Don't be terrorized! You're more likely to die of a car accident, drowning, fire, or murder! More people die every year from prescription drugs than terrorism LOL!

  • Pappy13Pappy13 Member Posts: 2,138
    Originally posted by Briansho


    how do you kill a paladin who throws up a bubble when his health hits 10% and heals back to 100%?



    Wait 12 seconds?

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  • KyntorKyntor Member Posts: 280

     

    Originally posted by Tutu2


     
    Originally posted by Aguy


    With a few tweaks your theory works.  This is a very balanced game.  Every class can dominate a certain one, while get owned by another.  It's just the way it works.

     

    You're forgetting warlocks, who can easily dominate anyone with little effort. Chain fear, dots, throw the pet on the target = Win. The most overpowered class, especially in PvP. And yes fear breaks quicker then it used to and has been nerfed multiple times, but with multiple strong dot spells eating away at you its still enough time to kill you before you even have a chance to hit the lock a few times. And of course if you get their health low enough they'll pop a healthstone..and its chain fear all over again. Everyone complains they're OP, and its true. (I played one to 42, so I believe I have enough experience to know what they're like before someone jumps on me and says STFU and that I've never played one properly. ) Warlocks are the biggest problem with PvP balance in WoW IMO!

     

    The game is very well balanced.  The problem is that it is just not balanced like you think it should.  This game has always been PVE centric.  Therefore, PVE balance has priority over everything.  After the PVE is in balance, the devs will make an effort to balance group PVP and solo PVP (respectively).  Whenever there is conflict between them, PVE wins.  The game was like that when it was launched (it hardly had any PVP at all), it is like that now, and it will probably be that way until the servers shut down.

     

    "Those who dislike things based only on the fact that they are popular are just as shallow and superficial as those who only like them for the same reason."

  • zack702zack702 Member Posts: 56

    The balance problem is in your head. Noone who has a group of mage,warrior,priest,paladin,warlock gives a rats as who's in blanace. Because when one fails the other succeeds and everyone is happy.

    All of these arguments of balance are comming from duels and pvp pointless games of who cheated the most.

    And in a group of cheating hot headed duelers there is allways someone who likes to point out that something is overpowered.

    So in the end all you get is a nerf or a change that really doesnt mean anything just makes you happy for a short while and you forget what you were mad about.

  • RecantRecant Member UncommonPosts: 1,586

    I hate fighting Frost Mages more than Warlocks.  Ice Block is so powerful, that a skillful mage can cause me serious problems in the arena.  I know it's possible to dispel it, but a good mage will recognize I'm casting mass dispell and break out of it anyway.  Fights with these guys usually end very quickly, either I can get a good fear and silence combo on him, or I'm counterspelled and already dead.  Their elemental pets do extraordinary damage for a pet as well :p

    Still waiting for your Holy Grail MMORPG? Interesting...

  • RecantRecant Member UncommonPosts: 1,586

    Originally posted by Pappy13

    Originally posted by Briansho


    how do you kill a paladin who throws up a bubble when his health hits 10% and heals back to 100%?



    Wait 12 seconds?

    As a shadow priest this is relatively straightfoward.  If I haven't already drained away all his mana by the time he bubbles, I can dispell the bubble in 1.5 sec :D

    Still waiting for your Holy Grail MMORPG? Interesting...

  • mrdoublerrmrdoublerr Member Posts: 269

     

    Originally posted by Tutu2


     
    Originally posted by Aguy


    With a few tweaks your theory works.  This is a very balanced game.  Every class can dominate a certain one, while get owned by another.  It's just the way it works.

     

    You're forgetting warlocks, who can easily dominate anyone with little effort. Chain fear, dots, throw the pet on the target = Win. The most overpowered class, especially in PvP. And yes fear breaks quicker then it used to and has been nerfed multiple times, but with multiple strong dot spells eating away at you its still enough time to kill you before you even have a chance to hit the lock a few times. And of course if you get their health low enough they'll pop a healthstone..and its chain fear all over again. Everyone complains they're OP, and its true. (I played one to 42, so I believe I have enough experience to know what they're like before someone jumps on me and says STFU and that I've never played one properly. ) Warlocks are the biggest problem with PvP balance in WoW IMO!

    I'm not gonna tell you to STFU but no, 42 is not 60 or 70, classes can get stronger or weaker as they level.

     

    and warlock arent OP, they're just annoying, because they still can kill you after you killed them, and fear... same as a rogue, stunlock is annoying.

  • AntipathyAntipathy Member UncommonPosts: 1,362

     

     

    Originally posted by Briansho


    how do you kill a paladin who throws up a bubble when his health hits 10% and heals back to 100%?



    Mana burn > paladin.

     

    Palas are very easy for any kind of priest. Even holy priests can munch through them pretty quickly.

     

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