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This was one game i decided to try out dispite some of the negativity going on. now after todays patch it does negate one of the biggest gripes people had against this game: the difficulty.
Now im not saying this game is perfect and its gonna blow the competition away. its more of a your either like it or hate it type of game. The lore is there and well it does seem geared more to the casual player due to its pace. core and hardcore players may not be attracted by it as this game seems not to challenge them enough or it just does not meet their expectations.
However a few people are concerned if this game is going the way of the vanguard. If you see my history of posting i actually got active when vanguard was closing release, there were vid of the devs claiming it was geard of casuals also (yet there is no place for a casual in that game) and well it was horridly not ready for release. with over 5500 threads and 70k+ posts http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/forum/565 you can see why this game was a flop when the nda was lifted, The beta testers did a good job warning people how bad and buggy the game was and it was simply not ready. When the nda was lifted of this game there was some negativity. The reason why i say some is because it is only a small group of people complaining about the game compared to both vanguard and well Star trek online. http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/forum/596 . Here were seeing basicly the same people posting over and over again, while in sto, people are already complaining and the games not even in beta yet.
Now my impressions of this game after a few days in beta:
I will start out with this, i have to agree with some of the naysayers, this game does need atleast 1 to 2 months more time in the oven, there are a few things that need to be ironed out.
As for the difficulty, they did up it out on todays patch 10/09/07. Few posters have already mentioned that the game was on easy mode for the testers to explore the game and find bugs. Now balancing the difficulty will be a new issue. I remember beta testing wow and when they upped the difficulty some places became to hard, like ZF the temple part. I would assume now that mobs do more dps some areas might need to be ironed out.
The gameplay is quite fun, not a mmofps for sure just a mmo with fps controls. You do have sticky targeting, however if you want the controls to feel full FPS you can toggle off the sticky targeting which makes the game feel totally different.
As i said before the game is geared to the casual player and well now that i think of it prob the core players also.
Reasons:
1. Your character does run quite fast, also you start off with a sprint ability that has no timer, just kill mobs to keep on running. If you been playing LOTRO and try this game you will notice a huge difference in the pace your character moves. (i am not dissing LOTRO just using it to compare the movement speeds of the chars) There are also worm holes (warp holes) you can find on the maps for faster traveling, and well in the future prob they will put in other means of fast travel.)
2. instances are not long most can be completed in less than a hour, however i have no clue on how they will work endgame.
Now there are a few other things worth mentioning that i did like about this game, keep in mind that these things have been done in other mmos.
1: autoloot: just walk over the dead mob and walla no need to click on corpses and then on loot, you also have a menu to ajust what loot you want to pick up n stuff.
2: Multiple instanced areas: Now to some it might sound stupid, however its a blessing. If one area is crowded, you can go to another instanced area thats less populated allowing you to quest with ease and not having to "camp" your quests. For me this is a huge improvement, how i hated in previous games having to wait my turn to kill mobs for a quest or collect items for a quest when there were many others doing the same. Also ill be a few clans might start claiming instanced areas as their home where they will do their thing. So why wait in a packed instance when you can get your group to a lowpop one and do your job there. more causal goodness.
well as i play i will add more, i do want to try the little pvp aspects this game has (wish it had more options in that senario) All i can say is well TR: is a nice game, not perfect,also its not bad as a few haters portray it.
All i can say is give it a shot. if your in a crowded area and feel the need to camp (seriously i have seen people actually camping) just go to a lower pop instanced area and there will be an increase in difficulty since theres not 50 people cleaining the area of mobs and well you can do your quests with out having to end up discussing or flaming a person who " stole" your mobs.
for now i give this game a 8.5
Watching Fanbois drop their soap in a prison full of desperate men.
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Not as bad as most claim, but worse
Just my opinion though, though I hoped for it to be good and wanted it to be the MMO I play for the next year or two, it just was not.
Yep this game is not geared for everyone. Some want harsher penalties, others want all out pvp (which they can prob just make a server for), and some are just not into scifi.
Watching Fanbois drop their soap in a prison full of desperate men.
Yep this game is not geared for everyone. Some want harsher penalties, others want all out pvp (which they can prob just make a server for), and some are just not into scifi.
Yeah, I think adding another faction with free for all all out war would have made be buy the game. I mean the GAME in it self is not bad and I really digg the combat system, just that im a PvP freak.
Yep this game is not geared for everyone. Some want harsher penalties, others want all out pvp (which they can prob just make a server for), and some are just not into scifi.
Yeah, I think adding another faction with free for all all out war would have made be buy the game. I mean the GAME in it self is not bad and I really digg the combat system, just that im a PvP freak.
i also enjoy pvp, did alot of it in eve (my rl friend funded me tho). I also enjoyed doing pvp in wow. I did start out on the illidan pvp server, but when BC came out i moved to a pve server. I did find pvp more enjoyable there. would raid towns, people would come to defend, after a while when utterly geared high lvls would come to defend i would wait for my pvp timer to go off and /salute the defenders... good times, was way better than ripping up lowbies. but i quite miss that....
Watching Fanbois drop their soap in a prison full of desperate men.
Read some of the negative about TR here and then checked out the official sites and some movies etc and was alittle confused. Didn't look like it could possibly be as bad as they said.
Thanks for enlightening me alittle. I'm going to give it a try find out which side of the fence i'll end up on, but most likly i'll enjoy it since i'm easily amused.
If all i ever read about a game is mostly bad i wont try a game. Its like polling the mob in 1v100.
Kazer
"Baning Smokers from public places is like baning people from water who like to pee."
well i am one of the people who was very sceptical about the game, before the elease, but when i got in beta i was plensantly supprised. alot of simpel fun. you loggon and have fun almost right away. for the pvp, well they have stated that clanfare pvp would be implamented at a point, at people do duel alot on the server, its rare that people turn down a good duel. but even dough i LOVEEEEED the citry wars in SWG, i dont really miss a major pvp element in TR, because of the bane trying to conquer the bases, i get the same feeling defending a base from a major bane attack then i got from those city wars in SWG, which really supprised me..
Yep this game is not geared for everyone. Some want harsher penalties, others want all out pvp (which they can prob just make a server for), and some are just not into scifi.
and some of us want the game they've hyped, not the gilded turd they expect us to buy into
Yep this game is not geared for everyone. Some want harsher penalties, others want all out pvp (which they can prob just make a server for), and some are just not into scifi.
after reading some of your posts all i can say is, if you dont like it move on. All i get out of ypur posts are either dog breakfast or gilded turds, not bone to back up your reason to hate the game other than you have been banned.and some of us want the game they've hyped, not the gilded turd they expect us to buy into
it seems you loved the game before the june patch and well since the game is alsmost out and theres gonna be no more free trial for you why not bash it.
I did get into beta before the most recent patch, which was the previous patch you claimed they made they made it to darn hard."
"my game account is still working, if it wasn't I'd be wanting my pre-order money back.
as it is, I really wish I could give it a 0 out of 10, just logged in to find almost all servers down, the single server that was up crashed shortly afterwards, bootcamp is now a total mess, I could hardly do any damage to the mobs, almost got killed several times, and had to let the mpc's take out the bosses because I couldn't scratch them
you might be willing to overlook the game's inadequacies, hell, you'll probably pay for it and subscribe from day one, and, if you do, I consider you to be foolish and wasting your money. The latest patch has made things worse, not better. However, if you like wasting cash on frustrating games, go right ahead, pay for it, support their beta, nd help pay to send dick garriott into orbit.
he's not getting any more of my money for this sub-standard offering. In fact, I'd have to argue that teh only thing innovative about this dog's breakfast is the attempts to get people to pay a subscription fee for what is so obviously a beta product
don't worry, come the 19th, I'll not be there, perhaps in 3-6 motnhs once it goes F2P, unless it pulls an Auto Assault and dies stillborn"
As i said i got in beta a few days ago, i did not die in bootcamp and the bosses were not as HARD as you claim they were.
another funny thing is how you accuse the game for being so damn easy and now complain its hard. I just dont get it.
Like i just said you only accuse in your post but really dont back it up with anything cunstructive other than dog breakfast and gilded turd. Add some substance on to why this game is shallow for youand to why you dislike it. Im 4 days into the game and im enjoying it in its current state, prob because its catered to the casual.
But seriously, if you dislike this game so much why not drop it and move on. Why waste time just to pull out a gilded turd oneliner. I got sick of wow yet im not in the fourms burning it out because i started to dislike the game.
Now as for the hype of this game. I have been following it up and seriously this game is not super mega hyped like many others. Vanguard was overly hyped and even the devs made false claims like the game being geared to the casual and core gamers when there is nothing casual about it. (you will notice i did troll that game due to its hype)
Compared to other games this one does not have tons of trolls, i already have pinpointed em all and i have enough fingers to count em. They are the same ones who post over and over. Well your one of em.
So instead of posting oneliners make your next post a constructive one on why you dislike the game, i would really want to know.
Watching Fanbois drop their soap in a prison full of desperate men.
Maxnrosy,
Fantastic reply. I've been follwing this game for a bit now, and while I use opinions of others to help me feel out a game, Abhaigh's venomous posts in reply to any subject of TR is unnecessary and childish.
The cause you're fighting for, Abhaigh is coming second fiddle to your venom and hate, that doesn't need to be reiterated in every single post, especially in such a childish manner.
it is as bad as people have been saying. Its also closer to release time so expect most boards to be full of shiny, happy posts about TR as the marketing team gets out in force to drum up sales. You've been warned . Buy it or dont buy it, but dont be suprised when you see that those of us who played beta for so long were right.
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I think that TR is a pretty fun game.
You do see a pretty large number of posts in these forums that are bashing the game to hell but it isn't a bad game.
What TR is is something that is a bit different and I think that upsets some people. A. it isn't like other games they have played and they have a bias. and B. it is not like what they imaging a Sci Fi game to be.
Well fact is it does try to be different and it isn't what everyone will want.
It is more action oriented then normal MMORPGs. You aim with a sticky target and you shoot with a single button click. There is no autoattack. You dodge and run and use cover to decrease damage. The game play style is quite different. You have a number of types or weapons and weapons that do different types of damage. Different mobs are suseptable to different types of damage. So you tend to keep several weapons handy and need to learn which one to use in which situation against what mobs. You are also limited to 5 weapons on the hotbar so you also need to be selective.
NPCs are everywhere. TR feels more alive then any game. You can stand on a hill and watch a contested area and you will see bane drop ships droping bane soldiers. You will see AFS soldiers running around in groups engaging and attacking bane soldiers. From above you will see missiles dropping and blowing up around the battle field. And this is the open environment you run though. It IS fun and it feels alive!
If you really have a short time and just want to get into a firefight there are control points that are just the ticket. These are contested outposts. At any time they may be under control of AFS or the Bane. These are intense war areas. You can help defend or retake a base and join the npcs in these larger battles. The bane tend to drop soldiers in group and waves creating some massive battles and sometimes they drop in named npcs or tougher mobs so the fights can be very tough.
There are instances with mission in them. So far the once I've done are pretty scripted with a series of objectives and tasks that lead you through the instance. You aren't there to just blow shit up although you certainly can Instances have nice series of quests with more challenging opponenets. Generally instances are higher lvl then the surrounding outdoors and are suitable for a small group of players or you can wait till you level up some and come back and do them solo.
Loot drops are common and you get all sorts of stuff. With the recent change to crafting you get various recipes that let you augment your armor or weapons. These recipes require a component that you can get from dissassembling drops that have similar abilities. So you get a recipe that increases accuracy of your weapon. To make it you need an automated targeting scope. You find a weapon drop that has increased accuracty you can dissassemble it and get the automated targeting scope then use the item and recipe on a weapon of your choice to augment it.
So far the game play upto lvl 20 is very soloable. This isn't to say their aren't opportunities to group just that it is your choice. Control Point battles and Instances both could be done with a group in a level appropriate area.
All the zones are instanced meaning if you want to do something and there are people there you can hope to another instance and generally find the area you want to fight in empty. This is really nice for control point battles. Grab a couple buddies and hope to an instance with nobody fighting at the cp and you can have some great battles.
TR seems to be made ideal for the casual player. Strong points are soloability, Lots of action, teleports of various sorts that get you where you want to be fast, good collection system and with crafting to upgrade will be quite a collection game.
So if you want a game that is PvP oriented, group oriented, has elves and dwarves then I'd say move on cause you will hate TR. If you want an action oriented, solo style game where you can just kill stuff and have fun then definitely check out TR.
Now one thing to remember is the game is in beta and right now it seems like the game is getting worse and better with every patch. They are adding things and fixing balance. That is good. But lag is increasing, crashing is starting to happen and the graphics seem to be having issues. That is bad.
Some quests and stuff are broken which can be frustrating but this is improving.
In my opinion there will be problems like this at release. However I think the game is very close to being ready and while it might have some issues I'd guess in a month or two everything will be peachy
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Ethion
to the OP and the troll
mileage varies
I'm certainly not a fanboi, never will be, and do not believe this POS to be worth 45 bucks for the box and then 15 buck a month afterwards
you think it does
at the end of november I'll be 60 bucks better of than either of you, satisfied in the knowledge that I haven't wasted my money or my time
you'll still be waitingfor the Miracle Patch(tm)
'nuff said
abhaigh, I'm sorry to say this, but I don't really think that you are qualified to call ANYONE a troll, since by looking at your profile, one can see 10+ pages of posts bashing the game. In fact...that's all one sees...one might even think that you created this account here for the SOLE PURPOSE of bashing TR....thus illustrating my point.
Agreed
Agreed
What miracle Patch??? i dont get whjy you think this game needs a "MIRACLE PATCH". I love TR, iv never played a mmo quite like it. I would buy the game if the current version would be what we got at release, and with a message that they wouldent do any big changes from this time forward, only maintaince and bug fix. I would buy the game if that happens. And what in hell makes you decide what he should use his money for, what makes you desicde that this is a waste his money or time?? i realllllllly cant stand people, who would do anything to destroy something they dont like, and redicule people who like it.
It needs a Miracle Patch(tm) because it is sadly lacking in content and depth. The quest 'tree' has no branches, the skill tree is barren, crafting is still a joke, support classes useless. I could go on and on, but I'd just be repeating myself.
Basically there is enough in thegame to hold most people's interests for the first month, possibly two, provided they haven't hit the level cap in two weeks (oh, sorry, no-one is actually supposedto be playing more than 2-3 hours a week). After you've killed your first lvl1 mob, you've experienced killing its level50 counterpart (if they are actualy in the game yet). Basic game mechanics are still borked with no ETA on their being fixed. What this game needs is another 6 months in the oven, not shoving out the door underdone, half-baked, and half-finished
If you disagree and are willing to waste your money on it as is, good for you. I don't. I think it's a POS and not worth the price being asked.
As for ridiculing people? If you were to actually read my posts you would find that I slag the game, not the people supporting it. The fanbois, trolls, and other inflammatory idiots don't need my help to make themselves look foolish, they do well enough all by themselves. Plus, I'm not interested in descending to their peurile level and trading insults with tarbaby.
. Lol theres no such thing as a quest TREE*/branches in mmos. Iv played Ac2(VET), SWG(VET) CoH, DnL, CoV, Ryzom(MID), EQ2(VET), Eve, Faces of Mankind, Entropia Universe, Guild Wars, Necron, Nercron2, Planetside, (proberly left some out) and i never seen anything that resepbels a quest tree/branches, it is always KIll this, get that, diliver this, craft this, mine that, go there, talk to that person. and is still beta, i was also a tester of ac2, and as far as i remember they dident start the main storyline after launch, They first had a special Beta soryline in the last weekend to test their story system(btw ac2 had the best storyline in any mmo i ever played, waiting for path day for a new seriode of the storyline was like waiting for christmas as a kid) (BTW left ac2 because the game got extented from 50-150 levels, and i arent a big fan of levels)
I dont think it laks content, theres enough content for me, weapons and armor with different stats, which you use for different mobs, cause different valunabilities. etc (plenty of Cosunables, crafbles, Quest items, etc.) and that is enough for me, i dont need anything more.
Barran skill tree? really? i think we have just enough skills, i dont want any less not any more skills..
Often i think mmos make the mistake of making to many skills, which would make it overwelming, and in the end unintesting, cause "there is so many of them, so 90% of them i dont care about, and the 10% i always scepital about evertime a new path get released( eally hate that)".
One of the things that acually could make me not buy TR, would be if there would be to many skills.
I Care about all of my skills in TR. Crafting is always uninteresing for me, so i cant really talk about that. The supportclases sure isent useless when fighting the bigger mobs, especially since the newb path, where the AI is almost more intelligent than me, so some healing or shielding is very needed. i would still be in Teimoa mines if my group dident have a person with a good force shield protecting us.
you dont think you sound very rediculing, saying that the money are wasted, and that you would save the money(reading between the lines, you are smarter than him, and he is very stuppid because he likes it and wants to buy it), and also asuming that he needs a miracle patch..
The word is 'ridiculing'
The money would be, IMO, wasted
Now, seeing as you are willing to read between the lines and interpret my comments into lines more amicable to your particular POV, I shall answer them (having opened the door to this, you have no one to blame but yourself). While I have never claimed to be smarter than anyone else on this board, just possessed of a far different opinion than the fanbois regarding the game's life-expectancy, value for money, and general readiness for launch, I agree with your interpretation. In not being willing to waste my time and money on this half-baked offering I am smarter than those willing to cough up hard-earned cash and hours of life they'll never get back. I'd even go as far as to say I am demonstrably smarter than you (though this may well be unfair as english might be your second or third language, or you just might be 'special', I don't know, and quite franky, I don't care).
Suffice it to say, while I know TR has potential, it is not ready to go live in its current state, and it is not worth the money people will waste upon it. It MIGHT be worth the asking price in 6 months, once they've finally gotten around to resolving the long-standing problems, squashed the bugs, fixed the missions, crafting, the support classes, and sorted out a lot of the balancing issues (things that should have been resolved, or at least close to being resolved before the game left Alpha)
TR is currently a trainwreck waiting to happen, in serious need of being delayed for 6 months so they can sort out the problems, and not worth 45 bucks for the box and 15 bucks a month they are asking for it.
And, come the end of November, I will still be 60 bucks better off than those willing to buy into what basically amounts to an extended open beta.
Face it, no matter how glowing the fanboi posts are, no amount of gilding is going to make it anything less than the unfinished turd it is. Nor will ad hominem attacks on my person, and not the content of my posts, will either change my opinion of this pile of stinking poo with garriott's name on it, nor shut me up about it.
But, obviously, your mileage varies from mine, And that's OK, I have asbestos pants.
In fact, I think I'm going to have to interpret the reactions from the fanbois and trolls regarding my posts that I am cutting a little too close to the truth for most of them to handle. For that, I find I needs must apologize. Sorry for shredding your fantasy guys, but wouldn't you rather be faced with the grim reality of the truth now, rather than in a month's time when you *are* 60 bucks poorer?
ps: the little 'abc' icon situated between the 'clipboard', and 'undo' icons is a spell-checker. hint hint.
Well English is a 3rd language for me, but the main reason for my poor language today is, i only got about 3 hours of sleep last night (Orange box got released yesterday, so i played and finished portal and hl episode 3), but that is besides the point. You could very well be more intelligent than me that is besides the point, because the point of all of this is not knowledge, but TASTE. Every person have different taste. EG. Some people find bugs totally unacceptable, and others dont mind im (like me) (which is properly because SWG has hardened me, on that point)). But also with the combat system, skill system, class system, that is all a matter of taste not intelligent, so implying that people is unintelligent because they have different taste, is unacceptable.
EVERY mmo, continues to adjusting the balance, throughout its entire life time. name ONE mmo, that never adjust their balance.
*i wont comment on that point, because i cant, due to the game is still in beta so i cant say, because i cant possible know, that if it would "feel like beta"
The problem was you where implying that other people where better off not buying it, which would be referring to my 1st point.
kk the problem is i use the traditional BBML editor mode, and not the enhanced mode (cant stand the enhanced mode, its to restricting), but ill try to insert it into open office for spell check in the future..
ps. I am not a TR Fanboy, they can still do a lot of things, that would make me leave the game (making crafting mandatory (which is the reality in Ryzom, and why i left. you simply cant function, no matter how generous and nice your guild, without crafting),
import to many skills,
or endless levels,
raising the monthly fee to something insane like 38$, etc)
Firstly let me say that I'm not an old MMO'er, having started playing them only 4 years or so ago, and I've spent most of my time playing either WoW or EQII, both of which I consider to be brilliant games.
A friend of mine handed me his copy of TR at the beginning of Sept and urged me to give it a go, and I've not been dissapointed. So far, and I realiase that this is still a beta, it offers what I'm looking for in a game. It's immersive, has a gentle learning curve, I don't feel as if I need to spend huge amounts of time playing the game to get some satisfaction. In short, I can log in, and either knock off some quests, just arb around fighting off the Bane, or I can get a few mates around and visit an instance. In fact, it reminds me a lot of WoW when it was released.
I've given the game files to quite a few of my friends, and they have all loved it. In fact we're going to get a few people together tonight and see how far we get in one of the many instances in Concordia.
So, in conclusion: It might be your kind of game, or you might be looking for something diffrent, time will tell I guess. I'm pretty sure that it'll be a big success though, and I'll be sure to break out my cc when release day comes.
The arguement that 'the game is still in beta' stopped being viable as soon as the code went gold and was rtm'd. At that point it should have been a complete product. It's not, and it won't actually be a proper release candidate for several months while they continue to nerf/balance/bork game mechanics, fix bugs, and add content
I stand by my opinion, and surely you aren't going to try to argue that someone who doesn't waste 60 bucks on a shoddy product ISN'T better off than someone who does? Please... at the end of November, everyone who has bought into the bullshit and propaganda telling them that it is a far superior offering than it actually is will be the proud owners of a TR membership, while I'll still have my 60 bucks. Do the math.
I offer my apologies then, we all make typing errors from time to time, in fact kudos for being as fluent in your 3rd language as you are.
and therein lies my particular rub, I find that 15 bucks a month, on top of the 45 bucks for the box, to be a truly insane amount of money for what they have on offer. (and that's the american pricing, care to bet it will be more in euros, and even more in pounds?)
It simply isn't worth the money at this moment in time. In 6 months, if it survives, it *might* be worth the money, but a) only time will tell, and b) I'm not willing to waste my money to find out. That you are willing to do so is good, the devs certainly need more people like you, people willing to buy into a half-finished product that's being pushed out the door far too early with far too many fundamental flaws.
The best thing they can do is shove this back in the oven for 6 months and sort it out properly.
There is a difference between updating a game and finishing a game that was released in poor condition.
The logical extension of "all games get patched" is that any game could be released as Pong, as long as they promise to make it into an MMO later on.
There is a minimum level of competence the consumer should be able to expect from a product. I have to say my standards are more in line with abhaigh's, which is why I'll be holding onto my money until the extended post-release beta period ends.
I enjoy people who claim not to be trolls and then bash the person specifically in every post, while at the same time hiding it behind "constructive comments".
Back on topic (see... hiding my bash), I agree with OP. TR is given a bad rap here on the MMORPG.com forums, but if you believed the people on the boards then you may think that WoW is a horrible game and offers nothing to anyone. But the fact is people like WoW because its fun, just like a lot of people like TR because it is also fun.
The only comments I have seen that have not been addressed through patches is the lack of depth. But I don't understand where the idea that this game had depth or even WANTED it in the first place. Looking at some of the original videos that people were saying the game should be changed back to the game just looks like a Asian Grinder with no depth whatsoever. If you want depth go play PnP games with your friends, if you have any (not so hidden bash).
I see your troll. And I raise you.
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