He's not saying that black people are dumb, he's saying that people living in the wilderness of Africa know less about math and science than we in the west do, and he's right.
That's obvious, but if you think about it, how much do westerners really know about Africans? I could say more, but that question leads to a lot of examples.
I've noticed many people have gone and turned this into a 'nature vs nurture' discussion, when the original article was solely a question of nature, not nurture.
I don't have a problem with the idea that different people and different groups of people have different natures. We should still, IMO, do the best we can on the nurture side (which we can affect) so that people can achieve the most with whatever their nature happens to be.
It's foolish to ignore differences in nature (which cannot be changed) and to adopt a one-size-fits-all policy. It is wrong to skimp on the nurture aspect just because some aspect of the nature is different.
So methane, do you doubt that tribesmen in Africa would score lower on general intelligence testing than westerners? If you do then you're pretty dense. He's not saying that black people are dumb, he's saying that people living in the wilderness of Africa know less about math and science than we in the west do, and he's right. Put down your "hey I'm black and nobody can talk down about Africa because of that" blinders for two friggen seconds and look at it objectively.
Draenor don't you think that this guy is stating the obvious then?
As I said it doesn't take a genius to reach the conclusion that non educated people are less smart (lets not use the word intelligent), in which case why this "professor" even bother to broadcast such stupidity?
Intelligence has nothing to do with education, it is the ability of someone brain to process the information the brain receive, analize it and use it to achieve better results.
All this guy is saying is that African people are genetically less intelligent, which is something you can only prove if you can compare 100 african students and 100 westerners which attended the same University.
Surely you cannot compare a tribal African man who hunted deers all his life, with an average western guy who studied 20 years of his life.
That would be silly wouldn't be?
I am not saying that is not possible that white people are more intelligent than black people or viceversa (I am actually convinced that there is the intellince gene, but it is not race related).
What I am saying is that people like this professor which basically based his theory on an assumption rather than actual proven tests should stfu and stop fomenting xenophobia.
He is just giving racists people more ammo to shoot.
So methane, do you doubt that tribesmen in Africa would score lower on general intelligence testing than westerners? If you do then you're pretty dense. He's not saying that black people are dumb, he's saying that people living in the wilderness of Africa know less about math and science than we in the west do, and he's right. Put down your "hey I'm black and nobody can talk down about Africa because of that" blinders for two friggen seconds and look at it objectively.
Draenor...hes (the Doctor) talking about genetic upbringing and not environmental.
The Dr is saying if you have an African and a Westerner in the same class under the same circumstances, there is conclusive evidence that the Westerner would inherently be smarter.
That, to me, is reminscient of Hitler's ideologies.
People who have to create conspiracy and hate threads to further a cause lacks in intellectual comprehension of diversity.
The tribesmen don't worry about mortgages, car payments, credit card bills, cholesterol, obesity, whos' going to win the Superbowl, and the list goes on, and on.
We, on the otherhand, are sending ourselves to early graves with all the things we have to worry about. Or perhaps because we worry, and don't do anything about it.
The man is a terrible embarrassment to us all. (“Us” being scientists and rational types.) It is said by the press that Watson “makes his colleagues cringe when he goes off script” or “is known for making controversial remarks” and so on. Fine. But these are not apt descriptors for James Watson’s most recent remarks or, for that matter, many of his earlier remarks. No, not at all. These descriptors make Watson sound like a somewhat crazy free thinking guy who doesn’t care if he pisses off a few people with what he says. But that is not what he is at all.
No. James Watson is, simply put, a moron. I want to take a moment to explain why I think that.
Lol its actually pretty funny..
OK, first, the science. There has been a lot of systematic testing of people divided into “racial groups” (including “Asian,” “African,” “Hispanic,” and “White” and so on). In the US it is found that “African” or “Black” categories test, in terms of IQ, a consistent 20 points, more or less, below, “Whites” as a group.On further examination, it is found that socioeconomic status (SES) and home environment predict IQ as well. When you analyze the data, you find that the latter — SES and Home Environment — are the main predictors of IQ across a given contemporary population, not skin color. It happens that skin color and SES and skin color and Home Environment, in the US and over the last few decades, are intertwined realities. The cause of the state of the SES and Home Environment variables is not IQ … it is cultural variation and, predominantly, racism. The IQ difference we see is the end product.
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I assert, here and now, that Dr. Watson’s remarks indicate that he is of substandard intelligence.
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James Watson is
a) an ass
b) a moron
c) all of the above
d) none of the above
‘c’ and ‘d’ cannot be correct answers. Its ‘a’ or ‘b.’ You pick.
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Who knows if Asian's are just naturally smarter or not? What I'm saying is that I'm open to the idea that there could be some kind of genetic reasoning behind it. It's not that far fetched of an idea really. I mean there are genetic reasons for skin color, hair color, if your tongue can curl or not, or even how your organs work or don't work. So how does the idea of intelligence somehow get displaced from the realm of the genetic differentiation?
It wouldn't bother me if it were proven that Asian's are smarter than European decent people. There's nothing I can do about that. What am I going to do, change my genetic makeup. But I'm smart enough to know that there are other things besides intelligence that can make a person successful or a failure in life. That's just one aspect of the whole person. I know some really successful people who can't perform for anything in a cognitive situation. But they have drive, motivation, and personality that gives them an advantage. Don't take it so personal, no matter how it turns out. I don't. And like I said, if you're of African decent then it might be proven the other way around when all is said and done. That's still not going to bother me though. I'm just me. The way God made me to be. I ain't arguing with him about that.
Oh I have no problem with someone being genetically smarter than I... or a person has a larger mental capacity...
But I figure... Humans are going to reach their genetic mental capacity any century soon... So what is the purpose of calling an entire race inferior to another? Just because you had a bad experience with a person from that race at work?.. thats just being silly
But who said anything about anyone being inferior? Especially because of just one aspect of a whole person.
To me, no one is inferior to me unless they make choices that put them in that situation. And I'm talking about committing crimes against others that are inexcusable by society. If someone does that then, yes, they are inferior and don't deserve to be a part of our attempts at existing in peace.
But to say someone is inferior to another just because of something like intelligence is dismissing their worth in other ways. I know some really smart people that I would never hire. And I know some not so smart people who are hard workers and really good friends.
The tribesmen don't worry about mortgages, car payments, credit card bills, cholesterol, obesity, whos' going to win the Superbowl, and the list goes on, and on. We, on the otherhand, are sending ourselves to early graves with all the things we have to worry about. Or perhaps because we worry, and don't do anything about it.
Who's the more intelligent folk again?
They also live in huts with dirt floors ( don't need a mortgate for that), and they don't have cars, the abillity to purchase things on credit, adequate nourishment, modern entertainment, and the list goes on an on. Really it's so easy to turn it around. It may sound romantic but I'd wager if you had to spend a week or a month as an African tribesman you'd change your tune.
They also die in their 40's or earlier due to lack of healthcare, lose all their teeth because they have no toothpaste or dentists, and know little to nothing of the world beyond a few miles from their village.
This study is so stupid. What's the real shame is that he is getting recognition (even bad recognition for this, because as we all know publicity is publicity) It's idiotic to try this experiment because the two races are not in the same circumstances, and they are socially integrated differently. His expirement does not follow the scientific approach and I feel sorry for his stupidity, and I feel pity for the people that he could pass this off to. Africa is, as a whole, an underdeveloped "third world" country. While there are some cities that probably trump the most technological and advanced cities, the "average" IQ of Africans are low due to the poverty and suppression of the people.
Eugenics was popular in America until it was found to be false and stupid. I really hope that he gets shot down by credible sources. If he gets a bunch of followers who believe this crap then people should just believe that we can get AIDS through hugging and that one race is superior to another because of the color of their skin, or their religion, or their sex.
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Originally posted by abbaba They also live in huts with dirt floors ( don't need a mortgate for that), and they don't have cars, the abillity to purchase things on credit, adequate nourishment, modern entertainment, and the list goes on an on. Really it's so easy to turn it around. It may sound romantic but I'd wager if you had to spend a week or a month as an African tribesman you'd change your tune.
Already been there, done that, sir. I like my computer, but if I had to give it up, so be it. I live with the expectation that everything I have could be taken away at any time. I can grow my own crops, and livestock, and hunt for game if need be. I can survive just fine without any of modern societies trappings, or safety nets.
They also die in their 40's or earlier due to lack of healthcare, lose all their teeth because they have no toothpaste or dentists, and know little to nothing of the world beyond a few miles from their village.
You could also say the same thing about a goodly number of Americans.
I think there is always the possibility that one racial group of people could be smarter than another genetically speaking.
I mean genetics determine other things as well. Whenever I go workout, I always notice that the majority of black guys that workout, are well, rather built, even older ones that could be my father still are stacked like a brick-house. In the athletics world, who seems to be the superstars? Usually people of a black ethnic origin. Of course there are exceptions to everything, such as, where I work out, there's also a white guy that is the size of 3 men put together. Talk about a tank.
So are black people physically superior? Can they run, jump, and lift weights better?
I think that there is differences to common genetics. There'll always be exceptions to the rule. But I think a rule is there.
Western Indians can't grow facial hair. Asians are on average shorter. Dutch are on average very tall.
There are physical genetic differences. Who says our brains aren't different?
I may be shorter than a dutch person. And I may be weaker than an African, and I'm most likely less intelligent than Isaac Newton. But hey...Doesn't make me inferior.
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So methane, do you doubt that tribesmen in Africa would score lower on general intelligence testing than westerners? If you do then you're pretty dense. He's not saying that black people are dumb, he's saying that people living in the wilderness of Africa know less about math and science than we in the west do, and he's right. Put down your "hey I'm black and nobody can talk down about Africa because of that" blinders for two friggen seconds and look at it objectively.
He(Dr. Watson)'s talking about genetics, not education. And where do you get the idea that anywhere close to the majority of people in Africa live in the wilderness?
Two things about this genius post
1: When did I say that the majority of people in Africa live inthe wilderness? I said "people living in the wilderness of Africa know less about math and science than we in the west do" So how about you get some reading comprehension before you post
2: You can't quantify intelligence purely based on what you see in someone's genes, you have to test it somehow, and a person's education is always going to be a factor on how well they do on ANY intelligence test, so whether or not they have the same cognitive abilities but lack the same kind of knowledge about specific subjects like math and science isn't even testable.
Don't post in response to anything that I post ever again, you just make it WAY too easy.
Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.
So methane, do you doubt that tribesmen in Africa would score lower on general intelligence testing than westerners? If you do then you're pretty dense. He's not saying that black people are dumb, he's saying that people living in the wilderness of Africa know less about math and science than we in the west do, and he's right. Put down your "hey I'm black and nobody can talk down about Africa because of that" blinders for two friggen seconds and look at it objectively.
He(Dr. Watson)'s talking about genetics, not education. And where do you get the idea that anywhere close to the majority of people in Africa live in the wilderness?
Two things about this genius post
1: When did I say that the majority of people in Africa live inthe wilderness? I said "people living in the wilderness of Africa know less about math and science than we in the west do" So how about you get some reading comprehension before you post
2: You can't quantify intelligence purely based on what you see in someone's genes, you have to test it somehow, and a person's education is always going to be a factor on how well they do on ANY intelligence test, so whether or not they have the same cognitive abilities but lack the same kind of knowledge about specific subjects like math and science isn't even testable.
Did you even read the article that was linked? Watson's ideas state that black people are less intelligent than whites, due to divergent evolution, not that "People living in the wilderness of Africa are less educated about math and science than we in the west do". I don't know where you got that from, because if that was what he said, there wouldn't be any controversy, since that's a well known, common sense fact.
Since nowhere in the article was anything said about the wilderness, I assumed the only reason you would bring it up is because you associate it with Africa. If that is not the case, then your comment is completely irrelevant and comes out of nowhere.
I agree with your second point, which is one more reason why Watson's conclusions are flawed. The problem with your position is you're saying that he's saying things which he's not. I think it's your reading comprehension that needs work.
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The only way we're really going to fully know what Dr. Watson's views on this matter are is by reading that book he wrote. A news article is just not going to cut it. He *may* have some data to back up his claims (about divergent evolution causing gene differential which leads to an intellectual differential). I doubt, however, that any evidence he may provide would be conclusive to most people.
This issue, from what I've seen of it, seems to be just as much emotionally driven as factual, so the most likely result is those who agree with him will use whatever evidence he provides (if any) to substanciate their views. Those who disagree with him will say the evidence is faulty and that the guy is a racist who should be ignored. Both sides will simply entrench themselves more deeply in whatever views they already have.
While genetics can control your brain size, shape, intake capacity, and other various things it does not make you smarter or stupider. When most everyone is born they are the same, for those first couple seconds everyone is equal. There is no equality after that and even though people don't want to hear it, it's the truth.
People are Socially Integrated differently.
Everyone is not equal because they are not raised the same, given the same food, had the same attention given to them, had the same chances given to them. The variables in everyones life do not perfectly match, nor will they ever and that is why people will not be equal. Because we are not, nor ever will be, equal someone can not say that someone is smarter or stupider because of their race or genetics.
My Sociology professor gave this example for no real equality. He dropped out of high school and joined the Marines and decided to go to college after he joined the Marines. He took and passed his GED then went to college and had to go straight into Calculus. A student who sat next to him went to high school and graduated, that student had trig in high school while my professor was forced right into calculus without ever touching trig in his life. He knew that he could not compete with the other student but he had to buckle down and do the same work. No exceptions or special treatment was given even though he did not have the same opportunities as the other student, he did not complain or whine, he just went through the course.
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1. Remember that most news articles only give quotes and soundbites, which can be misleading, particularly if taken out of context. Journalists do it all the time. It's called sensationalism.
2. The guy who earlier posted that we are all equal at the first few moments of birth... or, really, at any time at all, is completely and utterly wrong. There are a host of things, genetic differences, the health of the mother, the length of time in the womb, etc., that cause each of us to be different right out of the gate: even identical twins have differences at birth.
As I've said before, it is up to us to focus on the nurture side, because we have little control (so far) over the nature aspect, and by that I mean mainly the genetic make-up of people. Unfortunately, that is starting to change, and eventually we'll have designer babies... the sort of thing you saw in Gattica. Not good, IMO, but that's a different topic.
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That's obvious, but if you think about it, how much do westerners really know about Africans? I could say more, but that question leads to a lot of examples.
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I've noticed many people have gone and turned this into a 'nature vs nurture' discussion, when the original article was solely a question of nature, not nurture.
I don't have a problem with the idea that different people and different groups of people have different natures. We should still, IMO, do the best we can on the nurture side (which we can affect) so that people can achieve the most with whatever their nature happens to be.
It's foolish to ignore differences in nature (which cannot be changed) and to adopt a one-size-fits-all policy. It is wrong to skimp on the nurture aspect just because some aspect of the nature is different.
Draenor don't you think that this guy is stating the obvious then?
As I said it doesn't take a genius to reach the conclusion that non educated people are less smart (lets not use the word intelligent), in which case why this "professor" even bother to broadcast such stupidity?
Intelligence has nothing to do with education, it is the ability of someone brain to process the information the brain receive, analize it and use it to achieve better results.
All this guy is saying is that African people are genetically less intelligent, which is something you can only prove if you can compare 100 african students and 100 westerners which attended the same University.
Surely you cannot compare a tribal African man who hunted deers all his life, with an average western guy who studied 20 years of his life.
That would be silly wouldn't be?
I am not saying that is not possible that white people are more intelligent than black people or viceversa (I am actually convinced that there is the intellince gene, but it is not race related).
What I am saying is that people like this professor which basically based his theory on an assumption rather than actual proven tests should stfu and stop fomenting xenophobia.
He is just giving racists people more ammo to shoot.
Draenor...hes (the Doctor) talking about genetic upbringing and not environmental.
The Dr is saying if you have an African and a Westerner in the same class under the same circumstances, there is conclusive evidence that the Westerner would inherently be smarter.
That, to me, is reminscient of Hitler's ideologies.
People who have to create conspiracy and hate threads to further a cause lacks in intellectual comprehension of diversity.
The tribesmen don't worry about mortgages, car payments, credit card bills, cholesterol, obesity, whos' going to win the Superbowl, and the list goes on, and on.
We, on the otherhand, are sending ourselves to early graves with all the things we have to worry about. Or perhaps because we worry, and don't do anything about it.
Who's the more intelligent folk again?
Another scientist has chimed in on the debate
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Lol its actually pretty funny..
You guys should really check it out
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Oh I have no problem with someone being genetically smarter than I... or a person has a larger mental capacity...
But I figure... Humans are going to reach their genetic mental capacity any century soon... So what is the purpose of calling an entire race inferior to another? Just because you had a bad experience with a person from that race at work?.. thats just being silly
But who said anything about anyone being inferior? Especially because of just one aspect of a whole person.To me, no one is inferior to me unless they make choices that put them in that situation. And I'm talking about committing crimes against others that are inexcusable by society. If someone does that then, yes, they are inferior and don't deserve to be a part of our attempts at existing in peace.
But to say someone is inferior to another just because of something like intelligence is dismissing their worth in other ways. I know some really smart people that I would never hire. And I know some not so smart people who are hard workers and really good friends.
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They also die in their 40's or earlier due to lack of healthcare, lose all their teeth because they have no toothpaste or dentists, and know little to nothing of the world beyond a few miles from their village.
This study is so stupid. What's the real shame is that he is getting recognition (even bad recognition for this, because as we all know publicity is publicity) It's idiotic to try this experiment because the two races are not in the same circumstances, and they are socially integrated differently. His expirement does not follow the scientific approach and I feel sorry for his stupidity, and I feel pity for the people that he could pass this off to. Africa is, as a whole, an underdeveloped "third world" country. While there are some cities that probably trump the most technological and advanced cities, the "average" IQ of Africans are low due to the poverty and suppression of the people.
Eugenics was popular in America until it was found to be false and stupid. I really hope that he gets shot down by credible sources. If he gets a bunch of followers who believe this crap then people should just believe that we can get AIDS through hugging and that one race is superior to another because of the color of their skin, or their religion, or their sex.
It is sad that someone would cut off their ability to meet a good portion of the world because of their ignorance against other people - Fantom
Already been there, done that, sir. I like my computer, but if I had to give it up, so be it. I live with the expectation that everything I have could be taken away at any time. I can grow my own crops, and livestock, and hunt for game if need be. I can survive just fine without any of modern societies trappings, or safety nets.
You could also say the same thing about a goodly number of Americans.
I think there is always the possibility that one racial group of people could be smarter than another genetically speaking.
I mean genetics determine other things as well. Whenever I go workout, I always notice that the majority of black guys that workout, are well, rather built, even older ones that could be my father still are stacked like a brick-house. In the athletics world, who seems to be the superstars? Usually people of a black ethnic origin. Of course there are exceptions to everything, such as, where I work out, there's also a white guy that is the size of 3 men put together. Talk about a tank.
So are black people physically superior? Can they run, jump, and lift weights better?
I think that there is differences to common genetics. There'll always be exceptions to the rule. But I think a rule is there.
Western Indians can't grow facial hair. Asians are on average shorter. Dutch are on average very tall.
There are physical genetic differences. Who says our brains aren't different?
I may be shorter than a dutch person. And I may be weaker than an African, and I'm most likely less intelligent than Isaac Newton. But hey...Doesn't make me inferior.
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He(Dr. Watson)'s talking about genetics, not education. And where do you get the idea that anywhere close to the majority of people in Africa live in the wilderness?
Two things about this genius post
1: When did I say that the majority of people in Africa live inthe wilderness? I said "people living in the wilderness of Africa know less about math and science than we in the west do" So how about you get some reading comprehension before you post
2: You can't quantify intelligence purely based on what you see in someone's genes, you have to test it somehow, and a person's education is always going to be a factor on how well they do on ANY intelligence test, so whether or not they have the same cognitive abilities but lack the same kind of knowledge about specific subjects like math and science isn't even testable.
Don't post in response to anything that I post ever again, you just make it WAY too easy.
Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.
He(Dr. Watson)'s talking about genetics, not education. And where do you get the idea that anywhere close to the majority of people in Africa live in the wilderness?
Two things about this genius post
1: When did I say that the majority of people in Africa live inthe wilderness? I said "people living in the wilderness of Africa know less about math and science than we in the west do" So how about you get some reading comprehension before you post
2: You can't quantify intelligence purely based on what you see in someone's genes, you have to test it somehow, and a person's education is always going to be a factor on how well they do on ANY intelligence test, so whether or not they have the same cognitive abilities but lack the same kind of knowledge about specific subjects like math and science isn't even testable.
Did you even read the article that was linked? Watson's ideas state that black people are less intelligent than whites, due to divergent evolution, not that "People living in the wilderness of Africa are less educated about math and science than we in the west do". I don't know where you got that from, because if that was what he said, there wouldn't be any controversy, since that's a well known, common sense fact.Since nowhere in the article was anything said about the wilderness, I assumed the only reason you would bring it up is because you associate it with Africa. If that is not the case, then your comment is completely irrelevant and comes out of nowhere.
I agree with your second point, which is one more reason why Watson's conclusions are flawed. The problem with your position is you're saying that he's saying things which he's not. I think it's your reading comprehension that needs work.
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The only way we're really going to fully know what Dr. Watson's views on this matter are is by reading that book he wrote. A news article is just not going to cut it. He *may* have some data to back up his claims (about divergent evolution causing gene differential which leads to an intellectual differential). I doubt, however, that any evidence he may provide would be conclusive to most people.
This issue, from what I've seen of it, seems to be just as much emotionally driven as factual, so the most likely result is those who agree with him will use whatever evidence he provides (if any) to substanciate their views. Those who disagree with him will say the evidence is faulty and that the guy is a racist who should be ignored. Both sides will simply entrench themselves more deeply in whatever views they already have.
Well, he's apparently retracted: www.nytimes.com/2007/10/19/science/19cnd-watson.html
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While genetics can control your brain size, shape, intake capacity, and other various things it does not make you smarter or stupider. When most everyone is born they are the same, for those first couple seconds everyone is equal. There is no equality after that and even though people don't want to hear it, it's the truth.
People are Socially Integrated differently.
Everyone is not equal because they are not raised the same, given the same food, had the same attention given to them, had the same chances given to them. The variables in everyones life do not perfectly match, nor will they ever and that is why people will not be equal. Because we are not, nor ever will be, equal someone can not say that someone is smarter or stupider because of their race or genetics.
My Sociology professor gave this example for no real equality. He dropped out of high school and joined the Marines and decided to go to college after he joined the Marines. He took and passed his GED then went to college and had to go straight into Calculus. A student who sat next to him went to high school and graduated, that student had trig in high school while my professor was forced right into calculus without ever touching trig in his life. He knew that he could not compete with the other student but he had to buckle down and do the same work. No exceptions or special treatment was given even though he did not have the same opportunities as the other student, he did not complain or whine, he just went through the course.
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I read this article, there not much evidence for his claims
1. Remember that most news articles only give quotes and soundbites, which can be misleading, particularly if taken out of context. Journalists do it all the time. It's called sensationalism.
2. The guy who earlier posted that we are all equal at the first few moments of birth... or, really, at any time at all, is completely and utterly wrong. There are a host of things, genetic differences, the health of the mother, the length of time in the womb, etc., that cause each of us to be different right out of the gate: even identical twins have differences at birth.
As I've said before, it is up to us to focus on the nurture side, because we have little control (so far) over the nature aspect, and by that I mean mainly the genetic make-up of people. Unfortunately, that is starting to change, and eventually we'll have designer babies... the sort of thing you saw in Gattica. Not good, IMO, but that's a different topic.
Lol I split my sides laughing.
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