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WAR vs WoW
Ginkeq
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I'm not involved in beta so I was curious, how exactly does WAR differ from WoW. And I don't want the links to the WAR videos either because I've watched them all.
What i'm specifically asking is, how is the exp system any different from any other MMORPG? Isn't it just a long grind like WoW?
The PvP system seems to be sort of like WoWs as well. That is, you can only pvp in certain zones, which is kind of a lousy idea imo. If any of you played any real pvp games, you would know they usually have all zones open to PvP and people usually fight each other over control of certain zones that contain raid NPCS. It doesn't seem that fun to kill the same player over and over in some zone specifically designed to be used as a pvp zone, it is just too artificial.
Also, is it like the WoW pvp system where you die every 30 seconds to minute and respawn at a GY 15 seconds later only to come back and attack them? That kind of stuff really makes pvp pointless as no one cares about dying because there is practically no loss.
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read the 1st topic.
1. U pvp with a purpose.
2. Dont need to pve to pvp.
3. Level up pvp or pve.
4. U die u are back to ur city.
5. WoW is copying Daoc's 1st generation siege while WAR is on 2nd generation siege system.
6. No instant nukes and very short mezz/root spells.
7. No running up to npc first to get the quest and no losing quest items.
Nah, you got it all wrong man. I'll help you out since watching those podcasts where devs tell you how war is designed obviously doesn't explain anything.
War has the same exp grind. But it's not like wow! wtf wow? lol, wth is that anyway? War's exp system is like That of EQ1 (a game that came out some 6 years before wow, so you were probably too little to play it back then, but now that you are 12.. ah the possiblities) much less grindy or annoying of course, but still an eq like exp system.
Pvp system is not like wow, it's like daoc. Another game where you could only pvp in certain zones, did quite well. Althoguh it came out only a year or so after eq so beign 7 at the time it's unlikely you got to play it ither. Although, what is this amazing pvp game where you fight for control of a zone that contains raid npcs? And why the heck would I want a zone with raid npcs in it if I am playing a pvp game, which would imply I am looking for pvp not pve?
And no, war's pvp is not like wow where you die and are back in the fight in 30 seconds. it's like counter strike (an fps game people played for years) where you are back in about 15 seconds after you die
half the timer twice the fun!
At any rate, if after watching pod casts and looking at faq and fan forums you still don't understand what's the difference between wow and war is, there is no hope for you ever seeing it.
Of note, war is not a pvp game, war is a very heavily rvr focused game.
Put rather harshly huh? Well, he's correct.
OP, I'd recommend reading up on the game a bit more, but I understand it is hard to grasp everything without actually playing it. I'm waiting for Beta so that I can get a lot of my questions answered as well. You'll find that making any type of analogy of WoW and WAR will get you flamed on this forum lol. WAR fans despise WoW if you haven't figured it out
ya i agree with stellos i dispise WoW i wish i could have that year and a half i wasted. anyways OP you've made stupid threads before but this one is really sad. if you truelly did watch the videos then you would know they're not related really. the only real common thing is the xp grind which is similiar to about.......every other MMO.
dont get into the crap of war is just like wow because...well actually hell every game is like wow so no loss there.
It might be like a long grind like wow but your going to find a lot of quests along the way of wherever your going other than you go to one city get a quest to go to another city...and then after walking for like 1 hr you get to the other quest to turn in one crappy quest with no quests along the way.
This thread is adressing a moot point. WAR is not WoW and all the information about it that is known to the public is on the official website. For the time I played LOTRO (albeit a short time) there were tons of people talking about how LOTRO didn't have this or that and WoW did, and how they were different. And that's the point, the games are different. So with it being so painfully obvious that the games are different, why bother even starting a thread like WoW vs. WAR. There is none.
Originally posted by GTwander:
How are you an MMO? Or any of us for that matter?
I say we strike all users from the site for not being MMOs.
Did someone actually say leveling was a long grind in wow?
This is where someone comes in a says "Nothing to see here folks, move along"
Or "I like pie"
Now you think the game sucks just because you played it too much and got bored?
What a loser.
How long do you think you need to play WAR to give it the "worst game ever lol" award? A year? 2?
insert face-palm picture here.
I see WAR system as a battleground WoW system with added leveling system in it by killing players and accumulating some realm points for more fascinating loot and options of how to nuke other players. I guess it will still be kill 0/100 of those, to accumulate X of those .. or to start a siege you need to accumulate 0/100 wood pieces from Y enemies or to improve power of your siege by 5% you need to accumulate XX or kill head chief general of opposed army.
Correct me if I'm wrong, and im no way a WoW fan. It was a very bad ripoff and can't actually think of a worse pvp system in a mmorpg. It was dumbed down to grind points X vs X with fixed rules and fixed features.
REALITY CHECK
First off I'm not here to bash WOW (as some people love the play of game) but "Blizzard" tried to acquire the IP to the game and was rejected by "GW" thus they came up with this grand idea of making their own title with a "Warhammer" swing and called it "World of Warcraft".
They stole everything almost about the game (from Warhammer) warped it and fitted in to a very successful franchise started by card games and RTS computer games (I love America).
Differences of play from Warhammer and WOW will come in the form of "Realm versus Realm" (not to be confused with free world pvp). The PvP aspect of the game will not be like WOW's where you can run in a city " stealthed" and pretty ,much annihilate everything and everyone in your path (it will take a team effort as described).
Each pvp zone will be contested areas which will be fought over by say your chosen faction (Order or Destruction) and will have a "500" point system attached to it (as seen in the videos). It will require strategy and "group" PvP tactics as opposed to the "solo",lone wolf ,"stealth" gank a noob type style of play seen in games such as WOW and Eq2.
It should be noted also that, the PvE aspect of the game is balanced around the PvP dynamic (and not the reverse) so you shouldn't see a number of patches nerfing a set template to death because NPC one and two wa killed easily by said set up (they would balance the NPC as opposed to changing templates).
If you wanna know more about the game I would suggest looking at this, going to the official site and subscribe to the news letter sent out every month.
http://warhammeronline.wikia.com/wiki/Warhammer_Online:Age_of_Reckoning
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http://www.warherald.com/news/
I don't have time for this rubbish, people have given many valid reasons why you are wrong and i would just like to say, WISE UP.
Put rather harshly huh? Well, he's correct.
This isn't harsh, it's called humor, but apparently where you came from, they don't have that ^^
no, u are wrong and go troll AoC forum plz.
Thillian you are wrong
People play fps games for years because they are fun. You always spawn with the same weapon, you grab the same weapons (depends on a game, perhaps you have a "pack" which is all you get to use) and you go kill people, die, respawn, kill, die respawn... sounds like a grind? Well, add to that it will only last as long as you are playing, once you log off everythign you did is gone (not that there even was much to begin with lol) Why would anyone ever play that? Well, same reason people play anything, it's fun. (and so was tetris (sp?) even though it's hard to imagine from design stand point that laying blocks and makign fun could be fun and addictive)
The problem with wow and its pvp, is they made it a grind. The argument goes that if goals are easily achievable then everyone will reach their goals and stop playing. So goals must be made harder and the easiest way to do that is time sinks and grind fests.
This is a fundamental difference between wow's pvp and daoc's. Both can be fun at times and annoyign at others. However wow leaves you with a feeling that you are just grinding, honor points and marks or arena points, it's still grinding. In daoc, you are havign fun, sometimes more sometimes less, sometimes you even want to smash your monitor and see a result of IQ test of some of mythic's devs, but the reason you play and rvr day after day is not because you are trying to get to some goals (and there are goals in daoc, rps system is much more hardcore grind than wow's old ladder pvp system =p getting realm rank 13 is almost impossible =p and takes years) but no one really cares about rps, it's fun to see how many you got after a session, and it gives you mini goals to reach. But no one is rvr'ing to get rr x. People rvr because it's fun, rps and realm ranks are just to make it a bit more fun and more meaningful than an fps game.
Now, will war follow daoc's path or wow's? We won't know untill we play, for several months at that. However, it is important to understand that wow's way is not the only way pvp can be implemented (not talkign abotu bg's or what not, but the grind factor wow's pvp has) And seeing how mythic has made daoc, and also have a clear example of where things can go wrong in wow, it's logical to assume they will go the same way they went with daoc. That is, make a game fun and give some grindy mini goals, that are fun to reach but are not detrimental to fun.
PS: The most important thign though is to realize that there is another path for pvp games. That not all pvp games will have you grind for gear like you do in wow. Which is something people who only played wow seem to have trouble with. Hence my earlier posy, was to show that wow is not the only game in existance and there are many ways to implement the same systems differently with different results.
WAR's PvP system is very short sighted.. once you take the enemy city why bother to PvP again.. the game resets and you start all over.. smells like a GRIND to me... all be it a very loooong 1.
Other games let you hold territory (even in WoW) until "players" take it back.. in WAR NPC's eventualy take it back.
The game doesn't reset. The Tier 4 zone control resets.
And NPC's are only part of the taking back effort. Players are what takes the city back. They are given buffs and become stronger as time goes on so that they are guaranteed to take it back.
However the longer you capture a city, the more you are rewarded, and for the defending team, the faster you take back your city the more you're rewarded.
And as to why you would want to PvP again after taking a Capital City once..... maybe you should ask the people in DAoC why they kept doing relic raids after doing them once. Or why they would bother taking the same milegate more than once.
Other than the fact that that's only 1 out of 6 cities, you have boss encounters and loot that you get from taking a capital city. And since this is an MMO, that loot will probably be different each time you encounter it. You know that whole random drop thing.
And on top of that, if you don't think people do things more than once, you should ask the raid guilds in WoW how they manage to find time every week to do the same raids over and over.
Your statements are obviously based on your own opinions and not on a general consensus, so dont give act like everyone who would like the game is insane.
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I live to fight, and fight to live.
Now you think the game sucks just because you played it too much and got bored?
What a loser.
How long do you think you need to play WAR to give it the "worst game ever lol" award? A year? 2?
Sometimes we get sucked into things that seem good at the time, but in hindsight are actually regretable. For instance I played UO for 2 years and WoW for 2 years and I'm glad I played UO, it was worth the time and money, but I regret WoW because I got sucked into meaningless circles of gear seeking. Sometimes we don't realize the mistakes we made till we take a step back from it all.
I'm sure many people regret dumping a lot of time and money into WoW even though they had fun while they played.
This is THE WORSE question to ask...
Fanboi's, use the same statements to show CONTRAST to Warcraft, that some War-Haters use to show Similarities. The FACT of the matter is, They are very similar. Warhammer is just the next step in the evolution of this type of game. You can draw paralles to this game, and WoW just like you could, EQ and DAOC. There are a FEW things that are very different. Even more Similarities between DAOC, and WoW. Untill somebody starts working outside of this very typical market, all games will have a lot of similarites. If somebody says, that Warhammer is totaly UNLIKE Warcraft, they're just lying. A Dozen game sites even compair Warhammer to Warcraft. Get over it. When it comes out, Play it. Like it? Keep Playing!!! Hate it? Move on!
This is simple...
We call this evolution. WoW was good PVE game, War is going to be good PVP game. Yes they look similar but War is 1 foot ahead of WoW cause of it pvp set up. PvE and environement in WoW is still good until we see what War has to offer to his community. But please, don't say Daoc is like WoW lol that not right Daoc was a master pieces for PvP type game.
Yeah because you know my age now, right?
I don't care for your response if it is only based on biased videos straight from the developers
I want information from people who played the game and their impressions of whether or not it is similar to WoW (probably just a WoW with different graphics).
But yeah I can definitely see how some kid such as yourself would believe everything the devs tell you.
Also, I suggest when you try to insult someone by saying they are a "12 year old", you learn how to spell trivial words like "either", it is not "ither". Just shows that MMORPGs attract the dumbest kind of people imo
humm interesting but where did that came from ?
Yeah because you know my age now, right?
I don't care for your response if it is only based on biased videos straight from the developers
I want information from people who played the game and their impressions of whether or not it is similar to WoW (probably just a WoW with different graphics).
But yeah I can definitely see how some kid such as yourself would believe everything the devs tell you.
You want information from people who've played the game? Then why the heck didn't you say this in the first place instead of using the WORST Topic Name to ever put in any forum for any game WOW vs insert name here. People would of simply just then told you to wait until the NDA is lifted so people can tell you, the few people who get to play it at trade shows have been very secretive. To me this rings well if the game was going to suck completely (cough Vanguard) we would be hearing about it left and right regardless of the NDA.
Many of the above posts even if they're a bit vicious towards you are correct or somewhat correct, there's alot of twisted information everywhere.
God honeslty I'm so sick of WoW vs posts.....I mean whats next WOW vs Yer Mom or WOW Vs Yer Foot...it just doesn't make sense to compare apples to oranges no matter how similiar certain mechanics are.
Well /rant off
Please Refer to Doom Cat with all conspiracies & evil corporation complaints. He'll give you the simple explination of..WE"RE ALL DOOMED!
your right on this... Actualy these 2 cannot be that similar cause one is pve oriented and the other one is RvR oriented...