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Where are all the good mmo's??
Kailight
Member Posts: 8
Hi,
Ive been thinking this for awhile, i dont know if its just me and my friends or if anyone else feels like this but there just aren't any good mmo's anymore??
Now i started mmo's on a small game called Astonia 3, now this doesnt have great graphics and its by a small time company, intent to be exact but this game is by far the best mmo i have ever played. The quests werent go kill 50 of these or collect 20 of these, they were more detailed, they were silly quest but different, one was you had to find a magic skull and another was a guy had his hat stolen by thieves and you had to follow one to their hideout, and to get that grinding going on but for a bigger reward, if you killed every skeleton in the dungeon etc then you get an xp bonus.
Now what really got me was the individuality of the game, now everyone looked the same apart from colour wise but you could put any stat you wanted on your eq, and you could raise any stat you wanted. This made you completely individual, would you throw all your ex into lightning or fire?? would you focus on physical defense or magical defence?? Yes it was all very basic but damn it was good to do what you wanted with your char.
All these games now have set predeterminded stats upon lvling and eq which has no or very limited abilities to make you own. Take wow for instance, a hunter, three basic talent lines mines for a basic char there are 3 diff types of hunter, now you could say well you can mix and match but lets face it, for the best skills etc you need to dedicate yourself to one talent line!! now onto the eq, the top best armor is difficult but available to get by anyone, so at end game you have 1 in 3 chars pretty much the same.
Its the same with all new MMO's ive played. Why cant we create our own stats on our eq, yes i few games have this ability but its limited, you can only have this stat on this or this. And why cant i create m char how i want him, if i want a mage with great physical defense and an ultimate lightnin atk but crap everythin else why cant i?? surely it should be my choice how my char is?
I'd love to hear thoughts on this or better still, someone please tell me a good graphical new (ish) mmo with this ability!!!!
We need a game with freedom, so that one person next to another can be completely different in build even if they are a hunter or warr or mage!!!!!
Kai
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All the good games are pre 2004, now we only have Disney games.
basicly its all solo/easy to play clone MMOs and crappy f2p korean games...there aint much left, you really hafta look hard for one, or wait....
The reason is because devs are slaves to publishers, and publishers are afraid to try anything new. Any MMO is a massive investment in time and money, all developers are doing is playing it safe with formulas they know make money, but won't take any risks.
Allow a high level of character customization and development, they inevitably run into balance problems. Players who gimp their characters get frustrated with the game and quit, while good min/maxers get frustrated because the game is too easy.
What needs to be done is MMO's need to go away from the quest-centric design, and move to the character-centric design. Risk vs. reward.. players who customize their characters to do well in areas will also advance faster in those areas. You want to be a skinny elf barbarian? Fine, you're not going to learn as fast or be weilding as large of weapons as the hulking ogre barbarian, but you can do it. Want to spec out a spell-casting "dumb-as-rocks" goblin? You can do that too, of course again not optimized, but you will be unique.
Since every MMO is balanced around quests, each player must be just as powerful as the next of the same level within +/- 5% (theoretically) to have the same enjoyable experience. What devs need to learn is if you can create a fantastic system for character development and advancement, that can be the focus of the MMORPG, not quests.
it would be nice to see a game that puts alot on charicter emphisis, alot of custumizing status and such. but in this day and age if they did ppl would all play the best suited role and atone to "the best build" crap, noones really uniqe these days.
If there is an all around "best build" then thats the fault of the devs, and this is the big reason they shy away from advanced character customization.
There should be a wide range of builds, anything from pathetically horrible builds, to awesome builds. But each build should have it's place. Combat needs to be improved in todays MMO's to allow for more variety. A fire mage should do well against cold-habitat creatures, an archer should do well against thick-hide creatures, but not so well against stout dwarves in full plate and body shield. There should be a variety of builds possible (not just predefined builds either, give us sliders, ways to customize our character down to a T) and each character build should be viable for different things.
MMO's need to improve to where combat is not the only skill a character can improve on. Magic needs to have more uses than just combat. Healing and damage systems.. oh where to start, in every MMORPG today these systems are rudimentary at best. I could go on and on. But you get the point, character customization limitations and dumbing down of MMORPG's is a big reason why there are not any great MMORPG's out there today.
I want and i think a lot of other people want that sort of game, to have the freedom not only to customise your chars stats but also your eq, if you turn yourself into a fire mage then you can customise eq to boost your fire spells etc. Its so easy to do, simple +5 fire damage scrolls to place on your eq, even have it stackable so if you have 3 of those, put them on your cloak and bam, you have +15 fire damage.
Enough of this when you hit lvl 25 you can buy this spell, have it as requirement 30 fire skill so if you put everythin in fire, def and imm then you can get that spell at lvl 10, whereas someone who puts stuff in heal and stealth as well as fire def and imm will have to wait til say lvl 15 as they havent dedicated skill points to things. Or you can have a rounded char who has good lightning, fire and ice atks whereas someone who just dedicates to one atk will have a great atk.
And as was said before, you go into fire land and your a fire mage you will struggle to kill as they have def against fire, but a rounded char can do well in all areas as they have counter spells etc.
I dont feel its difficult to do, devs just look at what sells and people play (namely wow etc) and match that as its a tried and tested way to make gameplay, devs need to look at old school games and see that customisation is the way forward, in this next gen age surely a dev team can create a good lookin game with fully customisable chars and eq, i guarantee it will be the most played mmo and have the longest life span!!
Andy
All the games out now are becoming "dated" (but some are still great)! 2008 seems like the year of the MMORPGs. Tons of goodies coming out.
Yea im waiting to try warhammer aor and aion to see if they are any good. Im hopin one will at least not follow the norm and be a bit different tho if wishes were that easily come across then they wouldnt be wishes.
How i long for that game i dream of :-((
If i ever win the lottery everybody rest assured an amazing game would be in the making, ive got so many ideas its insane, like if you use a water atk followed by a lightnin atk within say, 5 seconds then your lightnin atk is boosted as water conducts electricity, stuff like that would be in my game, you'd have complete freedom to create your chars stats in your image and you'd be able to modify eq to make it personal and better for your char set!!! But alas, its a pipe dream for i couldnt see myself winnin the lottery or makin a game, or even a game dev seein this post and think yes, i'll do just that!!!!!
How the life of a gamer sucks sometimes :-((
Andy
What everybody said
'Cept the part about 2008. All looks very similar to me....
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I heard Eve was a good game but sadly im into fantasy mmo's not sci-fi. I just want a nice fantasy mmo with lots of customisation. I thought we'd get that with LOTRO as it had the funding, and the story line to do great quests, tho sadly i feel the graphics are a bit of a let down, way to cartoonie and again its all predetermined stats on lvl etc.
Andy
I know and that really kills mmo's, lets all copy what that dev team did, everyone plays that so it must be perfect!!!
Stop being sheep and make a game diff from the norm, and listen to us gamers, we're the ones that play the game, we're the ones that pay for the game!! A good dev team should go through major mmo forums and comunities asking what we want from a game and then do it!!!
Andy
Yeah hopefully somethin will take it to the next level. Age of Conan to me looks promising. What do you think?
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I heard Eve was a good game but sadly im into fantasy mmo's not sci-fi. I just want a nice fantasy mmo with lots of customisation. I thought we'd get that with LOTRO as it had the funding, and the story line to do great quests, tho sadly i feel the graphics are a bit of a let down, way to cartoonie and again its all predetermined stats on lvl etc.
Andy
Have you tried EQ2?
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A game really needs to reach out and go for broke, as ive said i crave a game with options, let the player decide what he/she raises, let them create their own unique stated eq to enchance their char. I think a game like war aor aion or conan really could have done something like that along with what they have done. Games all say about the unique this and the unique that, how players map their own futures but its all superficial, and that really kills a game.
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I heard Eve was a good game but sadly im into fantasy mmo's not sci-fi. I just want a nice fantasy mmo with lots of customisation. I thought we'd get that with LOTRO as it had the funding, and the story line to do great quests, tho sadly i feel the graphics are a bit of a let down, way to cartoonie and again its all predetermined stats on lvl etc.
Andy
Have you tried EQ2?
Tried the free trial but there were about a million hours of updates and i didnt have time so i left it. Was very tempted to just buy it and see, i know it's meant to be really good but i fear its a bit dated ya know.
Im holding out for war aor aion and conan to see if any of those can give me a least a bit of what i want from a game, aor's pvp and realm vs realm looks amazing, the whole flying thing in aion looks great and will really add a new combat type and conan, well that just looks great lol.
Does anyone know of any games in dev with even a bit of ability to raise you own things and create your own eq?? Archlord is the closest ive found with eq creatin, tho its still really limited.
Andy
perfectworld (english version will be released in short time)