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  • n25phillyn25philly Member Posts: 1,317
    Originally posted by dirtyjoe78


    Well I was going to start quoting all the BS that is in this thread about Vista but it would have taken too much space.  I am going to guess that the majority of people that complain about vista have never used it or installed it had one problem that they couldn't figure out in 3 min and uninstalled it.  I have used Vista since release had absolutely no problem with any game new or old that i have put on it.  All this reminds me of the 98 and 2000 users that screamed and complained about 2k and xp same complaints about being resource intensive blah blah blah same crap just a few years later. 
    to the OP go vista if you have half a brain in your head it is incredably simple to use.

    QFT

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  • n25phillyn25philly Member Posts: 1,317
    Originally posted by ChrisMattern


     

    Originally posted by n25philly

    If you're buying a new computer using today's technology it's stupid to go with anything other than Vista. XP will not take advantage of your hardware. Buying a dual/quad core processor? Only Vista is going to take advantage of it as it's multi-threaded where XP is not. XP will speed up only as the core speed improves while Vista scales to the hardware. Better use of resources will allow Vista to take better advantage of todays tech like memory.

    Any performance difference in gaming is minimal at best and is only visible in benchmarks. Considering Vista doesn't have DX9 in it and emulates it through DX10 the 3-4 FPS you might lose is actually quite impressive.

    The key is to not get caught up in the message board "horror stories" because half them are as real as the average ghost story. People don't seem to be able to get it through there heads that if you put Vista on a Computer that can barely run XP it's not going to run well. They don't seem to be able to figure out that if you do something stupid it's not a bug in the software. Vista is by far the most stable OS ever released by Microsoft. Talk to a real representation of Vista users, not the angry forum folk and you're find that the majority of users are very happy with Vista and have into little if any issues. I laugh because the majority of the complaints of Vista come from people that have never used the US and just repeat and BS they read from any forum they can find, or obvious trolls that feel the need to crusade for Macs or Linux distribution of their choice.

    It's human nature to fear what's new and different. XP's been around a long time, especially for an OS. The reactions going around are only natural and will start to go away withing a year or so. Go forth and get Vista on you're new computer, I personally guarantee you'll love it.

     

    Thank you for that insightful analysis, Mr. Ballmer.

    Vista is bloated crap, it runs slowly and inconsistently on hardware that will fly with XP. Don't get it.

    Chris Mattern

    Thank you Vista of XP?? thread troll.  When you feel like doing something other that spreading BS you can move along.  Just because you don't know how to run your computer doesn't mean the rest of the world doesn't.

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  • ChrisMatternChrisMattern Member Posts: 1,478


    Originally posted by n25philly
    Originally posted by ChrisMattern

    Originally posted by jybgess
    If I get a new PC right after X-mas, should I get Vista or XP.

    XP, beyond any question of a doubt. When I play MP3s on my Vista machine, the sound actually breaks up when I move the mouse.
    Chris Mattern



    That's not the OS, either your using up a lot of memory trying up what's needed for the audio, especially if you're used integrated sound, or there is an issue with your set up of your sound card if you have one. I listen to MP3's all day at work, and it's never done anything like that.

    The machine exhibited this problem with both the integrated sound that it shipped with (on a box supposedly built for Vista) and the sound card I bought later, including using the latest drivers I could download for both, and with much tweaking to try and eliminate the problem.

    Of course I'm using up a lot of memory that's needed for audio. I'm running Vista.

    Chris Mattern

  • n25phillyn25philly Member Posts: 1,317

    Originally posted by Nullapax


    I'm building a new PC for my Dad next week and I've decided to stick with XP Home.
     
    Vista just doesn't seem to offer any significant advantages to me.
    DX10 is nice but it's going to be a while yet before the majority of games use it and to be honest the difference isn't exactly jaw dropping.
    Add to that the fact that XP runs pretty well these days and with SP3 early next year it should be good for a couple of years yet.
     
    If you like to be an early adopter or just want to have the latest then go for Vista. I doubt if half the horror stories we hear are true and I know a few people who are more than happy with it, I just don't see the need yet
     
    There hasn't been any DX 10 games, only a few DX9 with a few DX10 effect thrown on top.

    SP3 for XP isn't going to be much more that an update roll up.  Other then new builds it's not going to provide much to anyone.

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  • n25phillyn25philly Member Posts: 1,317

    Originally posted by Alekhin


    Why do people keep thinking that SP1 for Vista is going to be a major upgrade? From what I have been reading it won't be and will only be a way of installing all the previous security updates in one patch. Vista won't change. The only major patch that I'm aware of is Windows XP SP2. BTW XP SP3 should be out soon and it's only a compilation of previous patches.
    You are right, SP1 is basically going to be:

     

    1) kernel update to match that of Server 2008

    2) roll up of all updates released so far

    3) some minor changes with things like the search function

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  • osc8rosc8r Member UncommonPosts: 688

    I do have 4gig of ram and a 8800gtx, so the fact that Vista could use all my ram and support DX10 was too much of a pull for me...so I installed a fresh copy of Vista Ultimate 64.



    Now, I did find it ugly, bloated, and dumbed down (and still do) - but since switching to classic view, disabling UAC,  aero, superfetch and various other ms bloatware crap; I'm now fairly content with it.



    Hopefully SP1 improves things further.

  • MR-BubblesMR-Bubbles Member Posts: 649

    Originally posted by Vendayn


    I have Vista and I don't have any problems with it...in fact I like it way better than XP. My system is top of the line though and performance isn't an issue.
     
    Crysis will be using Directx10...my most waited for game this year. And there will be other games in the future that use Directx10 as well.
     
     
    Exactly not everyone has a top of the range computer do they?

     

    You need about 4 gig of ram to garantee a smooth running system as the Vista OS uses a LOT of memory.

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  • n25phillyn25philly Member Posts: 1,317
    Originally posted by MR-Bubbles


     
    Originally posted by Vendayn


    I have Vista and I don't have any problems with it...in fact I like it way better than XP. My system is top of the line though and performance isn't an issue.
     
    Crysis will be using Directx10...my most waited for game this year. And there will be other games in the future that use Directx10 as well.
     
     
    Exactly not everyone has a top of the range computer do they?

     

     

    You need about 4 gig of ram to garantee a smooth running system as the Vista OS uses a LOT of memory.

    Where do people come up with this crap.  1 gig is needed for a smooth running system.  2 gig if your a serious gamer playing newer games.  Anyone that tells you other wile is full of @#$%

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  • jybgessjybgess Member Posts: 355

    What version of vista would be best for gaming? 32 or 64?

  • ChrisMatternChrisMattern Member Posts: 1,478


    Originally posted by n25philly
    Originally posted by MR-Bubbles
    Originally posted by Vendayn I have Vista and I don't have any problems with it...in fact I like it way better than XP. My system is top of the line though and performance isn't an issue.

    Crysis will be using Directx10...my most waited for game this year. And there will be other games in the future that use Directx10 as well.


    Exactly not everyone has a top of the range computer do they?


    You need about 4 gig of ram to garantee a smooth running system as the Vista OS uses a LOT of memory.


    Where do people come up with this crap. 1 gig is needed for a smooth running system. 2 gig if your a serious gamer playing newer games. Anyone that tells you other wile is full of @#$%

    My Vista machine has 1 Gig. (As far as I'm concerned, 1 Gig is a minimum on an XP machine) It's not enough.

    If you have bleeding edge hardware, and want to run one of the three games that needs it, you can do DX10. Wow. I'm not impressed.

    Chris Mattern

  • RenoakuRenoaku Member EpicPosts: 3,157

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    These are good vista ready hardware, Build your pc like this, and run windows Vista 64 bit, and it wont let you down, note if you run old hardware it will be slugish kind of.

    Right now im running a 2.6 GHZ athalon single core, and its sluggish on my pc with vista, but otherwise it works great...

  • yupeizuanyupeizuan Member Posts: 16

    Vista sucks . I bet it will not be the main os.

    Just get Xp

  • jybgessjybgess Member Posts: 355

    So if i went with Vista, 4 GB of ram is needed to play the next gen mmorpg's?

  • VrikaVrika Member LegendaryPosts: 7,990
    Originally posted by jybgess

    So if i went with Vista, 4 GB of ram is needed to play the next gen mmorpg's?

    Not really, most of the posters in here are just tech feaks unable to accept that it's possible to play games without the fastest system in existence.



    2 gigs of ram is good enough, 3 gigs would be more than enough. Just purchace 2 gigs and make sure that there are free slots and the motherboard so that you can buy more if needed in the future. Currently, there is no real need, not even with Vista.
     
  • n25phillyn25philly Member Posts: 1,317
    Originally posted by Vrika

    Originally posted by jybgess


    So if i went with Vista, 4 GB of ram is needed to play the next gen mmorpg's?
    Not really, most of the posters in here are just tech feaks unable to accept that it's possible to play games without the fastest system in existence.



    2 gigs of ram is good enough, 3 gigs would be more than enough. Just purchace 2 gigs and make sure that there are free slots and the motherboard so that you can buy more if needed in the future. Currently, there is no real need, not even with Vista.

    excellent advice

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  • NullapaxNullapax Member Posts: 401

     

    Originally posted by Vrika

    Originally posted by jybgess


    So if i went with Vista, 4 GB of ram is needed to play the next gen mmorpg's?
    Not really, most of the posters in here are just tech feaks unable to accept that it's possible to play games without the fastest system in existence.

    Very well said.

     

     

    Bottom line to the OP is that either XP or Vista will do the job.

    XP may be a bit more stable due to it's age.

    Vista may give you a performance increase.

     

    The problem is that both come from Micro$oft who put profit before product so neither can be 100% recommendable but either should do the job ....... just.

  • RenoakuRenoaku Member EpicPosts: 3,157

    Originally posted by Vrika

    Originally posted by jybgess


    So if i went with Vista, 4 GB of ram is needed to play the next gen mmorpg's?
    Not really, most of the posters in here are just tech feaks unable to accept that it's possible to play games without the fastest system in existence.



    2 gigs of ram is good enough, 3 gigs would be more than enough. Just purchace 2 gigs and make sure that there are free slots and the motherboard so that you can buy more if needed in the future. Currently, there is no real need, not even with Vista.

    Not fully true...

    I am runinng vista 64 bit, and with it alone i use like 1.8 Gigs of ram, Load up one game like world of warcraft + major addons i use like 1 gig of ram just for that alone, thats 2.8Gigs  already...

    In my honest opinion if you dont run 4 gigs of ram, dont use vista, or it will suck, if you have a sucky pc, stick with windows xp, because vista will give lots of problems if not custo made...

    Also note, if your going to mess with vista, then you should build your own pc, and you should be using vista certified hardware, if not you will get issues  such as choppy sound in some games, and mic problems on xfi sound cards, and such...

     

  • n25phillyn25philly Member Posts: 1,317

    Originally posted by Renoaku


     
    Originally posted by Vrika

    Originally posted by jybgess


    So if i went with Vista, 4 GB of ram is needed to play the next gen mmorpg's?
    Not really, most of the posters in here are just tech feaks unable to accept that it's possible to play games without the fastest system in existence.



    2 gigs of ram is good enough, 3 gigs would be more than enough. Just purchace 2 gigs and make sure that there are free slots and the motherboard so that you can buy more if needed in the future. Currently, there is no real need, not even with Vista.

    Not fully true...

     

    I am runinng vista 64 bit, and with it alone i use like 1.8 Gigs of ram, Load up one game like world of warcraft + major addons i use like 1 gig of ram just for that alone, thats 2.8Gigs  already...

    In my honest opinion if you dont run 4 gigs of ram, dont use vista, or it will suck, if you have a sucky pc, stick with windows xp, because vista will give lots of problems if not custo made...

    Also note, if your going to mess with vista, then you should build your own pc, and you should be using vista certified hardware, if not you will get issues  such as choppy sound in some games, and mic problems on xfi sound cards, and such...

     

    I'll have to go home and throw out my Vista computer at home because those blazing fast speeds I get with 2 gigs of ram must really suck.

     

    Oh wait, I actually know how Vista uses memory.  It's going to use as much as is available, because despite what everyone things, memory sitting idle isn't a good return on investment.  Take ram out of your computer until it's down to 2 gig and see if it still uses 1.8.  It's all dynamically addressed and adjusts depends on what you're using.

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  • NullapaxNullapax Member Posts: 401

    Originally posted by n25philly


     
    I'll have to go home and throw out my Vista computer

    Don't do that man, just run what works for you and try to understand that not everyone is as obsessive about PC OS's as you obviously are

     

    XP does the job well enough. Vista does nothing more than apply a few "Go Faster Stripes" for the desperate attention seekers.

    In a couple of years Vista will be the sensible choice but at the moment it is nowhere near as safe as XP.

  • osc8rosc8r Member UncommonPosts: 688

     

     

    Originally posted by Vrika

    Originally posted by jybgess


    So if i went with Vista, 4 GB of ram is needed to play the next gen mmorpg's?
    Not really, most of the posters in here are just tech feaks unable to accept that it's possible to play games without the fastest system in existence.



    2 gigs of ram is good enough, 3 gigs would be more than enough. Just purchace 2 gigs and make sure that there are free slots and the motherboard so that you can buy more if needed in the future. Currently, there is no real need, not even with Vista.

     

    Of course you can play games without the fastest system, you can also buy a car that gets you from point A to point B for less than $500, does that mean we all should drive around in rust buckets? No thanks. Ram's cheap as chips now a days anyway.

     

    No, 4GB ram wont be needed - but would it be recommended? That's the question.

     

    Vista is a hog, plain and simple - all those extra services come at a cost. However, with that said I used to run it on 2GB and found it more than acceptable, though upping to 4GB definately made a substantial impact in pretty much every area, especially 3d editting (which vista SUCKS at mind you - open GL performance blows - still) and in games like Vanguard (a very ineffecient mmo), and Crysis. I've always found MMO's love ram, and I see no reason why the next gen MMO's would be any different.

     

    To be honest, if I only had 2GB ram and a DX9 card I'd be uninstalling vista and putting XP back on. At this point in time XP does still have better performance and much less bloatware, and in this case Vista would offer nothing that would benefit me, only a slower experience over all.

  • PureChaosPureChaos Member Posts: 839

    ok first off on the 4 gig of ram thing, what you need is a 64 bit processor and a 64 bit operating system. in this case xp64 sucks total ass while vista ultimate 64 is actually very nice, you can do 3 gigs with 32, but 4 aint happening.

     

    as for you people who swear by needing 4 gigs, are you insane?????????????? honestly there is no need for that as this point in time. Remember your pc is only as fast as its slowest part.

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  • WizardryWizardry Member LegendaryPosts: 19,332

    I laugh when i see alot of people outright call vista a pile of junk.Vista is a far superior product to XP in every way.The real problem is with drivers.Add into the fold the BS that goes with LAPTOP drivers and it really gets bad.Then take into account none of the gaming devs take advantage of what vista has to offer,and it gets even worse.I feel the corner turning real soon  as almost all new PC's are released with vista.Soon the majority will have vista and the gaming devs and driver devs will be forced to get there act together.Vista has the ability to at least handle twice as much info at once and at the same time handles it in a much better fashion.

    You could always partition your hard drive/s.

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  • NassiemNassiem Member Posts: 9

    Vista looks better.

    But in performance xp is the best cause vista is realy slow in games.

    nevertheless if your have 2 gig Ram

  • VrikaVrika Member LegendaryPosts: 7,990
    Originally posted by Wizardry

    Vista is a far superior product to XP in every way.The real problem is with drivers.Add into the fold the BS that goes with LAPTOP drivers and it really gets bad.

    I do understand that bad drivers caused me to lose net connection about once every 5 hours, and the computer not to shut properly.



    It feels strange that bad drivers caused all my user data to be corrupted so that Vista needed to reset it but even that is possible.



    But it's very hard to understand, that bad drivers caused Vista's default zip program to unzip 10 times slower than 3rd party zip program, or that bad drivers prevented the product activation from working.



    And I absolutely refuse to understand, that bad drivers prevented me from turning off fuction "reset screen brightness every time laptop lid is closed and reopened".



    I just told about my experience with Vista, using a laptop wich was designed to support Vista and came with Vista installed on it. And while I believe that all the problems will be eventually solved and repaired, at its current state I can't recommend Vista to anyone.



    PS. Remember that also drivers are essential part of the OS. You can't ignore problems with them if you want your computer to work properly.
     
  • WizardryWizardry Member LegendaryPosts: 19,332

    Originally posted by Vrika

    Originally posted by Wizardry


    Vista is a far superior product to XP in every way.The real problem is with drivers.Add into the fold the BS that goes with LAPTOP drivers and it really gets bad.
    I do understand that bad drivers caused me to lose net connection about once every 5 hours, and the computer not to shut properly.



    It feels strange that bad drivers caused all my user data to be corrupted so that Vista needed to reset it but even that is possible.



    But it's very hard to understand, that bad drivers caused Vista's default zip program to unzip 10 times slower than 3rd party zip program, or that bad drivers prevented the product activation from working.



    And I absolutely refuse to understand, that bad drivers prevented me from turning off fuction "reset screen brightness every time laptop lid is closed and reopened".



    I just told about my experience with Vista, using a laptop wich was designed to support Vista and came with Vista installed on it. And while I believe that all the problems will be eventually solved and repaired, at its current state I can't recommend Vista to anyone.



    PS. Remember that also drivers are essential part of the OS. You can't ignore problems with them if you want your computer to work properly.

    Sorry to hear you had so many probs vrika.

    Data corruption most deffinately is not a vista problem.That sounds more like a hard drive problem or maybe even a virus.

    Zip speed ,i have had no problems whatsoever,no idea why you have noticed such a slow unzip.Unpacking files really is never a part of any OS,there is also .rar files ,people have always downloaded there own unpacking software.

    I assume you are talking about your screen brightness,not remaining the same after you close lid.I vaguely remeber hearing something about that before,but really i can't relate so i don't know.That sorta sounds more like a BIOS issue.So many products are released with a  terrible bios,that need several updates.

    Oh and losing internet connection again has nothing to do with vista.That is either a bad modem or sometimes there is a break in the backbone of your internet,either from construction or weather damage or can be many site related things like overload,severe packet loss that makes you lose connection to a site/game.

    Many games react weird when you lose connection and may require a cntrl+alt+del to access the task manager.That is nothing new to all of the OS over the last 20 years.Well maybe not when DOS was the only OS.Again with games,they are so finnicky that both video AND sound drivers can cause intermittent game locks .Sound drivers are a biggy because creative has yet to make proper drivers for vista.Last i heard they were working on an ALCHEMY project,even then only one of there products were even useable in vista.I have had no problems whatsoever with sound issues using my built in set,to wich i think is ACxxx.If your laptop is sorta old say 2 yrs or so,then your drivers wil be terrible and the bios is most likely also very weak.Laptop drivers must come from the manufacturer not from places like ATI or NVIDIA,so if your laptop manufacturer is lame or slow you can really be out to lunch.

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