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For those who think Fury is free, you're not quite right...

brihtwulfbrihtwulf Member UncommonPosts: 975

I keep hearing some people talk about Fury being free to play once you buy the retail box (ala Guild Wars).  But that's not completely true.  In fact, there are some pretty aweful practices going on here:

Fury Game Cards:

Both Heroes and Immortals may purchase additional in-game gold through Fury Game Cards. The cards can be purchased online or from participating retail stores. Gold can be used to purchase new items and abilities; repair or recondition old items; dye armor and customize your avatar’s appearance; send mail and so on. Game Cards available in multiple denominations:  (shown here in USD$)

  • $4.99 (60 Gold)
  • $9.99 (130 Gold)
  • $19.99 (300 Gold)

Immortal Membership Benefits:

Fury offers players a $9.99 per month optional subscription to unlock additional features including:

  • Quick travel in the Sanctuaries and Schools
  • VoIP talk privileges
  • One additional Item Roll Slot
  • Extended “rested gold bonus”
  • Selling privileges on the Auction House
  • Priority log-in queuing
  • Entry into weekly and seasonal Ladders
  • Personal player battle statistics
  • In-game Customer Service access
  • Elite access to the test server to preview new content

In the future, additional features will be added for Immortals such as crafting, player housing, special Clan functionality and lots more. We reserve the right to change which features are offered as part of the Immortals service at any time.

So, you want to get in queues without waiting a long time?  Have to pay...  Want to use the VOIP or compete in ranked matches?  That costs extra too.  Oh, and once there is crafting and housing, you're have to pay for that too!

This game is somewhat similar to GW in the fact that the combat zones are instanced.  Aside from that, everything is different, and Fury is NOT FREE!!!

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  • A55A5INA55A5IN Member Posts: 175




    So, you want to get in queues without waiting a long time?


    Just queue up!



    Want to use the VOIP or compete in ranked matches?

    Use Ventrilo/Teamspeak instead!

    Oh, and once there is crafting and housing, you're have to pay for that too!


    Just use the npc artificers that are free and provide the best equipment.

    Fury is not free you are correct, you have to buy the retail version before you can play for free.
    After your first free month, you have a choice to subscibe or not.
    If you don't wish to subscribe you can continue playing for free.

    SOme of the advantages of subscribing are what you mentioned but these in no way gimp you versus subscribers when it comes to matches and actual PVP.

    Everyone (subscriber or not) has access to the same amount of skills and ranks.

  • MarchusMarchus Member Posts: 88

    You have to pay a monthly fee to use the Auction House? Or am I reading that wrong?

  • RayanaRayana Member UncommonPosts: 525

     

    Originally posted by Marchus


    You have to pay a monthly fee to use the Auction House? Or am I reading that wrong?

    No, it means that subscribers can sell and buy in the AH. And non-subscribers can only buy.

     

    From the Pricing FAQ:

    "

    Players who do not choose the Immortal Membership option are called Heroes. In brief, a Hero player can play as often as they like without ever paying any more to play.

    Heroes can access all items, all abilities and can reach the highest rank in the game, and therefore they are not disadvantaged in terms of power they can achieve. Heroes can fight, advance, earn rewards, trade, buy auction items, join Clans, send mail and have access to the same number of Incarnation save slots as Immortals.

    Heroes also receive the standard rested gold bonus, they have two item roll slots at the end of battle (Immortals have three) and they can listen on the integrated Fury VoIP channels, but not talk.

    "

    Full FAQ is here:

    www.unleashthefury.com/news/getinterview43.aspx

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  • rishakirishaki Member Posts: 181

    Originally posted by A55A5IN


     



    So, you want to get in queues without waiting a long time?
     


    Just queue up!



    Want to use the VOIP or compete in ranked matches?


     

    Use Ventrilo/Teamspeak instead!

    Oh, and once there is crafting and housing, you're have to pay for that too!



     

    Just use the npc artificers that are free and provide the best equipment.



    Fury is not free you are correct, you have to buy the retail version before you can play for free.

    After your first free month, you have a choice to subscibe or not.

    If you don't wish to subscribe you can continue playing for free.

    SOme of the advantages of subscribing are what you mentioned but these in no way gimp you versus subscribers when it comes to matches and actual PVP.

    Everyone (subscriber or not) has access to the same amount of skills and ranks.

    Bull...

    Subscripers get more loot, more cash. If casuals is suposed to play for free why would they have longer que time ? casuals =play less and longer que = play even less. Games from blizzard, OLD ones, still have custom service, and they are not p2p so this is bs imo. 

  • LukainLukain Member UncommonPosts: 591

    I myself love the fact that unles you pay  you get no - In-game Customer Service access    & if I don't pay I can't get player Housing ? to me it looks & reads to be part of the Immortal membership plan ..

     

    I can see this becoming a Haves & have not type of game , where you try to join a Clan  & the first think they ask is are you an Immortal  you say your a hero & its no thanks we only take Immortals . Just another game where Elitist will control all ..

     

  • A55A5INA55A5IN Member Posts: 175

    There is no player housing so I don't know what you're bitching about tbh.

     

    Oh yeh and buying a game means you get customer service for life right?

  • LukainLukain Member UncommonPosts: 591
    Originally posted by A55A5IN


    There is no player housing so I don't know what you're bitching about tbh.
    " In the future, additional features will be added for Immortals such as crafting, player housing, special Clan functionality and lots more."
     
    Oh yeh and buying a game means you get customer service for life right?
    But not In-Game , In-game Customer Service access is for immortals only , you need help well log out & email em & in 2 days you may get a reply 

     

  • XtortXtort Member Posts: 392

    Playing without subscription makes no difference in abilities and gear you can equip.

    Don't try to bash the game or insult its players. Most MMOs have $15 monthly fee where you need to have that to play. In Fury you dont need to subscribe at all, and you can be as tough as other opponents and prove your skills (if you have some).

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    Osbourne Cox: You are the guy from the gym.

    Ted Treffon: I don't represent Hardbodies.

    Osbourne Cox: I know very well what you represent. You represent the idiocy of today.

    Ted Treffon: No, I don't represent that either.

    Osbourne Cox: You are part of a league of morons. Oh, yes. You see you're one of the morons I've been fighting my whole life. But guess what. Today, I win.

  • rishakirishaki Member Posts: 181
    Originally posted by Xtort


    Playing without subscription makes no difference in abilities and gear you can equip.
    Don't try to bash the game or insult its players. Most MMOs have $15 monthly fee where you need to have that to play. In Fury you dont need to subscribe at all, and you can be as tough as other opponents and prove your skills (if you have some).

     BS, games like these are not like normal mmorpg's. There is 1 freakign city with many diffrent chans, thats why they can allow f2p in games like  GW and fury.

    Let me describe it to you so even YOU get it. GW used f2p so allot of people would buy it, it was thiere marketing since games like eq2 and wow was released at same time. Fury do something half way that looks more like a scam to get more players who plans to play for free but when they add new stuff that req sub they will start to pay...

  • Morten12Morten12 Member Posts: 4

    I guess the guild wars business model isn't good enough... the have to tack on the bad aspects of the item mall approach also, and throw in some monthly fees.

    I understand that these fees may all be small, but the simplicity of the buy once, then play forever model is basically broken.

  • usnavynucusnavynuc Member Posts: 40

    Why does mmorpg have the biggest whiners in the world?  People complain that games cost money to play, or that 15 dollars a month is too much to play the game.  Fury give you an option to play for free forever.  For those that dont like f2p games it has a very reasonable $10 sub fee that gives you some extra benefits.  If you dont like the fact that non subs get less benefits then get a job, work for a 1/2 hour and use your hard earned $10 to subscribe!

     

  • XtortXtort Member Posts: 392

    Originally posted by rishaki


     BS, games like these are not like normal mmorpg's. There is 1 freakign city with many diffrent chans, thats why they can allow f2p in games like  GW and fury.
    Let me describe it to you so even YOU get it. GW used f2p so allot of people would buy it, it was thiere marketing since games like eq2 and wow was released at same time. Fury do something half way that looks more like a scam to get more players who plans to play for free but when they add new stuff that req sub they will start to pay...
    The developer needs to make cash, and they are not even making 1/10000 what Blizzard or NCSoft is making. They developed a game where some people enjoy and subscribe if they want to, and some people dont want to give cash for this game and simply dont play. No one is forcing you to play in free mode or subscribed mode whatsoever. It's the developers' decision to put prices whenever they want. It's your decision to play the game or not.

    Get this to your thick brain and go to your betas where you play a limited version of a FPS for free.

    Seriously, stop whining when the game has put a policy. And most people playing this game loves this policy, you are not a judge or something. Get out of here already if you don't like the game.

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    Osbourne Cox: You are the guy from the gym.

    Ted Treffon: I don't represent Hardbodies.

    Osbourne Cox: I know very well what you represent. You represent the idiocy of today.

    Ted Treffon: No, I don't represent that either.

    Osbourne Cox: You are part of a league of morons. Oh, yes. You see you're one of the morons I've been fighting my whole life. But guess what. Today, I win.

  • rishakirishaki Member Posts: 181

    Originally posted by Xtort


     
    Originally posted by rishaki


     BS, games like these are not like normal mmorpg's. There is 1 freakign city with many diffrent chans, thats why they can allow f2p in games like  GW and fury.
    Let me describe it to you so even YOU get it. GW used f2p so allot of people would buy it, it was thiere marketing since games like eq2 and wow was released at same time. Fury do something half way that looks more like a scam to get more players who plans to play for free but when they add new stuff that req sub they will start to pay...
    The developer needs to make cash, and they are not even making 1/10000 what Blizzard or NCSoft is making. They developed a game where some people enjoy and subscribe if they want to, and some people dont want to give cash for this game and simply dont play. No one is forcing you to play in free mode or subscribed mode whatsoever. It's the developers' decision to put prices whenever they want. It's your decision to play the game or not.

     

    Get this to your thick brain and go to your betas where you play a limited version of a FPS for free.

    Seriously, stop whining when the game has put a policy. And most people playing this game loves this policy, you are not a judge or something. Get out of here already if you don't like the game.

    Pft, i preorder the game but decided to let them have my 10bucks and not buy it since this game is totally dull anyway, but thats another story.  GW made allot of cash since it sold, do ppl think they keep servers up for charity?

    I subscribe 3 lineage2 accounts + eve and i can affor it even if they put it at 100 bucks a month, not really the deal here. Its just so obvius that this is a way to suck money out of ppl for a game that's basicly not a mmorpg. Reason mmo's have fees is to keep patching / running servers, some include content., other charge for exspansions. These kinde of games dosent have that large server cost, GW has proven that. If there was a acual WORLD and not just instances it would cost allot more to keep these up. I dont care wether or not ppl chose to play, just the fact that thos who think they can f2p just make sure you wont get allot, why? When they add new stuff they are gonna make it for subs only.

    1. If a non subscriber decides its unfair that they get nothing and quitt its not a big deal since they have allredy bought the game and are not paying to play anyway. Rest will simply start to p2p since ppl want more and more, not just the junk that will be out at release.

    Thats why i think this f2p option is a SCAM.

  • DataDayDataDay Member UncommonPosts: 1,538

    Originally posted by A55A5IN


    There is no player housing so I don't know what you're bitching about tbh.
     
    Oh yeh and buying a game means you get customer service for life right?

    They announced that there will be PLAYER HOUSING and Guild housing available at a later date to those paying subscribers.

     

    Its strange to see games like Fury and HGL coming out with these methods to milk the most out of the player base.  Some of it is shameless, some... expected.  Casual players get get their pvp fix, but if you are competative or want to play seriously, you are gonna have to pay for it.

  • infrared1infrared1 Member UncommonPosts: 440

    This is exactly what SOE will be doing for their upcoming games. (velvet rope) You can play for free, but if you want to do anything, go anywhere, or have any real "FUN",it's gonna cost you.

  • Dan_GrayDan_Gray Member Posts: 74

     

    Originally posted by Rabenwolf


     
    Originally posted by A55A5IN


    There is no player housing so I don't know what you're bitching about tbh.
     
    Oh yeh and buying a game means you get customer service for life right?

     

    They announced that there will be PLAYER HOUSING and Guild housing available at a later date to those paying subscribers.

     

    Its strange to see games like Fury and HGL coming out with these methods to milk the most out of the player base.  Some of it is shameless, some... expected.  Casual players get get their pvp fix, but if you are competative or want to play seriously, you are gonna have to pay for it.

     

    What if we only offered a subscription? Would that be more 'fair'?

    We offered a free to play plan for casual players whom it would suit best, but have always known a subscription model was also needed for covering the cost of maintenance and working on future content. Thus the optional sub was born, along with the other ways we could subsidize the cost such as selling gold. Lets face it; if we didn't sell gold someone else would, at least you can get it from an official source.

    It is both amusing and to be expected that trolls focus on the "you are taking away from free players" when in fact it's unusual for an MMO to offer a free plan at all, whilst still promising regular free content updates. Some of those things will be subscriber only, but hey, if you make that financial commitment you have to expect benefits.

    The subscription does not give you any more 'power' in the game, it is purely convenience and time saving. A free player is still on an even footing with a subscriber competitively.

  • AlexWeekesAlexWeekes Member Posts: 57

     

     

    Originally posted by brihtwulf


    So, you want to get in queues without waiting a long time?  Have to pay...  Want to use the VOIP or compete in ranked matches?  That costs extra too.  Oh, and once there is crafting and housing, you're have to pay for that too!
    This game is somewhat similar to GW in the fact that the combat zones are instanced.  Aside from that, everything is different, and Fury is NOT FREE!!!

    The commentary about our business model made here is misleading and biased, based on his/her history here and the choice of wording here. You get *all* of the benefits for a very reasonable monthly fee - there is no "pay extra for X and pay extra too for Y" as has been presented here.



    We have never hidden our business model and it was announced well before we released Fury. There's a lengthy FAQ included on our business model page that explains the reasons behind our choices.



    The document specifically states "log-in queuing" and has nothing to do with in-game queues. At the current time no one has needed to wait in a queue to login to Fury, however if this becomes necessary in the future we feel that it is fair that those customers who choose to support us by becoming an Immortal should have priority access. There are often lengthy login queues for full pay-to-play MMOs (including the biggest one out there), so I'm not sure why this is an issue that deserves the criticism.



    Heroes will have listen-only access to VOIP - or there is the alternative to use one of the many third party services available. VOIP means bandwidth which means it costs us money to run, so again it is only fair that Immortals receive the full service. GW doesn't have any VOIP, and WoW is only just implementing it now.



    None of the benefits we give to Immortal subscribers makes them more powerful in game. They offer convenience only.



    As for selling gold ... if we didn't offer it, a third party would. Players buy in-game currency all the time - whether the MMO concerned allows it or not - and we simply feel it is better for our customers to buy it directly from us.

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  • AlexWeekesAlexWeekes Member Posts: 57

     

    Originally posted by Lukain


    I myself love the fact that unles you pay  you get no - In-game Customer Service access

    That refers to in-game customer service. That is, when logged in to the game there will be an interface available to lodge a support request and receive a response from our support team without needing to leave the game.



    All players, regardless of subscription, receive out-of-game Customer Service via our website at http://www.unleashthefury.com/customerservice/ . If you've played Guild Wars and ever had to contact their CS department, we offer a very similar service to *all* of our customers. No one is ever denied help with any problems they may encounter while playing Fury. We simply offer a more convenient option for Immortals (or will, once a couple of bugs are ironed out).

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  • LordLOCLordLOC Member Posts: 124

    I'm so glad Alan and Dan have posted in this thread.

    Fury is a very underrated game, and I was glad to buy it yesterday. I will also more than likely pay to be an Immortal after my 30 days are up. Its a fun game, and other than it being PvP focused and F2P after you buy it, it is nothing like Guild Wars.

    Plus, it was developed by an Australian company! I love Australia, so yeah! (I'm American btw) :D

  • Tachikoma00Tachikoma00 Member Posts: 49

    Hahahaha this game has turned out to be such a gimmick. 



    The Guild Wars model was awesome, leave it to some selfish capitalists to completely take a huge dump on it.

    So now, we have to pay for instanced combat in online games. You heard that right, you use your ISP's bandwidth, that you already pay for from your ISP (mine is $28/mo AT&T 6mbps DSL), and pay for it again to fight others (Fury $10/mo). There is absolutely no reason for this business model.



    Oh, what's this? You offer a server i can connect to as a hub for finding other people to play with? Gee, thanks. How awesome of you. So for $10/mo I get options in the game that should be implimented for everyone to begin with, and i get a central hub server to connect to in order to find others to play the game with (yes I understand that this part is still "free" I'm simply trying to find a way to justify $10/mo). Seeing as how Battle.net has survived fine without a fee for this server access, as well as Guild Wars, I see no reason why this should be a reason to impliment a fee for your game.

    Not to mention VOIP is going to use my bandwidth again. That's right folks, another idea for this company to charge us for bandwidth we're already paying for. Including VOIP in your game is a no lose situation for you because it only relies on the client-side bandwidth to communicate with other clients. It's peer-to-peer. Hence why software like Skype are free. The fact that you have to pay for it in this game ( the $10 "fee") is a joke.

    Judging by everything here, there is no reason why you should have a monthly fee for this game. Your game takes up no more bandwidth or effort than Guild Wars does. The only reason I see you wanting a fee is you're a greedy company out for every dollar in the consumers pocket.

     Your "game" is a joke and a scam.

  • Tachikoma00Tachikoma00 Member Posts: 49
    Originally posted by AlexWeekes


     
    As for selling gold ... if we didn't offer it, a third party would. Players buy in-game currency all the time - whether the MMO concerned allows it or not - and we simply feel it is better for our customers to buy it directly from us.



    This is another joke. This does not stop third party people from buying/selling gold. It only allows more competition for it. They will still do it, and sell it cheaper than you do.



    Good job giving in to the problem to earn an extra buck.

  • JohnnyMotrinJohnnyMotrin Member UncommonPosts: 439


    Originally posted by Tachikoma00
    Originally posted by AlexWeekes
    As for selling gold ... if we didn't offer it, a third party would. Players buy in-game currency all the time - whether the MMO concerned allows it or not - and we simply feel it is better for our customers to buy it directly from us.

    This is another joke. This does not stop third party people from buying/selling gold. It only allows more competition for it. They will still do it, and sell it cheaper than you do.

    Good job giving in to the problem to earn an extra buck. image



    I first want to say that I truly believe the developers have good intentions and aren't trying to scam their player base. But with that said, the problem I have with everything I've read thus far is them selling gold.

    "if we didn't offer it, a third party would... and we simply feel it is better for our customers to buy it directly from us"

    That's the same excuse drug dealers use to justify their actions... "The dope fiends are gonna buy it anyway so why not buy it from me?"

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  • shakey2005shakey2005 Member Posts: 49

    Hahahaha, no ranking unless you pay? I thought this was a PvP game, what's the point of playing if you can't get into the big competitions because you're unranked. Sure, you can play, but you might as well just be trying to balance plates on your head, since you might actually achieve something doing that.

  • GuRu39GuRu39 Member UncommonPosts: 58

    Will not be playing this game. Refuse to pay to play any more, the initial cost should be sufficient, seems that greed overrides need nowadays.

  • KrileonKrileon Member Posts: 314

    WTF are you people crying about?

    You're calling a BUSINESS greedy.. do you even understand what a BUSINESS is? They are here to MAKE MONEY. DUH!

    A lot of you act like little kids without a freaken clue. You all want hand outs and freebies. Do you have ANY idea how much it costs to maintain a decent MMO with good servers? A LOT!

    Guildwars can maintain a nearly free business model because the company has other games to support it. As you can see them offering tons of expansions and little things you can spend money on to unlock skills automaticly for you proves it isn't doing so good. They need money. So that's how they're doing it.

    Fury is doing what they can to gain profit while also keeping everyone happy. Should someone that folks over the cash get more benefits then a freeloader? HELL FREAKEN YEAH. Otherwise why would ANYONE pay? It'd be pointless.. what so they could donate? Are you kidding me..

    If you are to cheap and can't afford 10 freaken dollars a month then quit MMOs and get a second job you loser or get a job period. Hell the lowest of the low jobs can afford this freaken game if you're still living at home.

    So I ask you.. wth is your problem? It's that you want to bitch all damn day just like 90% of these stupid forums. I don't even play the game, but my god.. you whiney brats need to learn to stfu and accept life for what it is. LIFE DOESN'T = FREE.

    Is it unfair that they get better benefits then you freeloaders? Nope. Perfectly fair. It's an investment. They are taking the risk to invest into the company and its product. Thus they have privilages above a freeloader. It's simple really.

    Ok i'm done.. go cry some more..

    [ Played ] 2Moons, Anarchy Online, City of Heroes, City of Villains, Dark Age of Camelot, Everquest, Everquest II, Guild Wars, HellGate: London, Lord of the Rings Online, Rappelz, RF Online, Shadowbane, Star Wars Galaxies, Sword of the New World, Tabula Rasa, Vanguard: Saga of Heroes, World of Warcraft, Last Chaos

    [ Playing ] Everquest II

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