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Can new players compete?
Hamalo
Member Posts: 3
in EVE Online
Hello all, i have played Eve twice. meaning, i have canceled my account 2 times. once 4 months after launch of the game, then again after losing my BS while AFK. i am thinking of coming back now, but i am afraid.
1. how can new players possibly compete in a world of tech two? my BS was killed in possibly 45 seconds by a tech two BC, how can a new player (thinking of getting my brother to start) possibly compete in their frigate?
2. has this game evolved more along the skill lines, or has it turned into and old server on wow, where everyone is geared and entering a 0.0 is insta-death?
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Competing doesn't have a whole lot to do with SP or items/ships. It has to do with being smart about it, read before you learn, learn before you do. Every time you die in EVE it's your own fault, because you gave the other the chance to kill you. Dieing is the end result of a chain of events that went wrong, if you at any point break the chain, you won't be killed.
Case in point, watch this video. It has some explicit language (even if it's bleeped out). That's a guy who doesn't get it. Both pirates are tryign to explain it to him but he's too thickskulled to actually LEARN and THINK. Making a mistake is normal, the trick is to learn from it, preferably the first time you make that mistake.
Also, don't play solo but join a proper corp.
Well say your brother was with yu he could fit a warp scrambler and you can fit an ECM mod in your ship with this setup you can take out a cruiser. Tho of course a tech 2 one will be hard for 2 frigates to do this of course but then again its just a case of getting a couple of cruiers instead of frigates.
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Retired from: Neocron, Everquest, Everquest 2, Guild Wars, RF Online and Final Fantasy VII
Currently Playing : EvE Online.
People pop this question up on the forums abit too much, can I as a lvl 30 in WoW beat a lvl 70 in wow ? no .. I can't... however I have been fighting with a friend and I where lvl 42 and my friend where lvl 62 and we managed to beat a lvl 70 with epic gear.
What does that tell us ? .. alone I have no chance, together ... there is a chance.
All depends on what equpiment you got, not how long you have played (even that ofcourse if you are a veteran you probably know abit about the gameplay).
A friend of mine had 12 million skillpoint in EVE, and I had something like 30 million skillpoints, we took each our ship out and had a fight... I almost lost a 1 billion battleship there :-P (he was in a faction raven while I where in a faction Nightmare)... I had no chance .. I missed his tank so my "ganksetup" failed and I would have lost the ship in a real fight...
Our corp used to have frig fights.. and most in the corp used to say that .. ofcourse I would win, I where like lightyears ahead of the others in skillpoints.
I never won those fights, mostly because I could take out one or two of the corpmembers but all at some points ganged up on me :-P and took me out first.
Key thing is to not try and over extend yourself with your SP. A battleship will pop quickly if your skills are not up to snuff with running it whereas a cruiser or Frig is a bit more survivable under skilled. The big thing is that everyone is not running around in T2 ships. There are enough roles for people that its not hard to find something to do that doesn't require a lot of SP.
I am no cry baby, i messed up and clicked the warp to station instead of using the quick warp waypoint, and got ganked by the cruiser while a BS tanked the turrets protecting the station.
What is essentially being said here is that i should L2P. i have tried joining corps but all the decent ones seem to have a minimum SP level, that i and my brother certainly do not meet. i was just wondering whether or not these restrictions have become more lax or more strict.
so if i want to play and survive, i should join a corp. kay
Did you really just say that?
You keep coming back to eve because it is a really cool game, but you don't have the metal for it. Cancled your account because your BS got blown up?
I don't think I've ever posted something negative about someone, but common dude.
You and your friend can compete, you and your friend can even kill people. You and your friend will die a lot. And at first, you will die more than you will kill. If you can't handle loosing your BS, then why were you flyin it?
I joined my corp on day 10 of the trial.
I don't think that you and this game are going to get along. Have fun high sec mining.
The truth is that if you actually collect anything of value, you will become targeted. Becoming targeted means that if your trying to carry valuable BPO's or are obviously an easy target you can be attacked in low sec or 0.0 (almost always expect to be attacked in 0.0 if your not friendly with the peeps controlling that space).
The person stating to stay in high sec and mine is not far off from the truth. That is really all you can do in this game safely for younger players. Even in high sec your not safe, you join any corp and another corp can declare war on you, or someone can just suicide you. HIgh Sec will probably blow them away but they can blow you away faster.
Even with tech 2 equipment and skills, most newer players aren't in tech 2 ships. Thus, Even with 6 months to a year under your belt, you will not really have a chance in even a one on one fight with someone who has more resources and more skills.
I remember a time when me and a fellow guildmate went to low sec (0.3) to do some specific missions that could only be done there. Unfortunately another came in and blew us both away , and we had no chance. We were all in cruisers because that is all that the area we were in could support. It was a 2 on one fight, and we had no chance. This guy who blew us away wasn't even in a tech 2 ship, just using tech 2 weapons.
No matter what people will tell you, skills do matter in this game. The game would seriously suck if after years of playing you didn't have an edge on some newbie. The reverse still applies though. As a newbie its much harder to have any real significance. And yes, you can play support and maybe make a difference, but most likely than not your just going to be canon-fodder when people are running around in battleships and bigger ships and your lucky to get into a cruiser.
It takes at least 6 months before you can really drive a battleship effectively, it would take someone with better skills only a few minutes to blow it away.....
Its possible to beat someone with better skills with numbers, but more likely than not, someone who has veteran skills also has enough contacts & knowledge of the game to not fall into a gank situation.......and if they do they can recover quickly and come back with a force & friends to make the gankers suffer horribly.
The average life span of people in this game is 7 months, because at that time is when they realize even with 7 months under their belt, the real veterans of the game they will never catch up to them, no matter what they do, based on how you get experience in this game (advancement).
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The game is dead not, this game is good we make it and Romania Tv give it 5 goat heads, this is good rating for game.
I am not a member of Eve University but you should check them out. They are in league with some anti-pirate corps that will allow you to learn what you need and how to use it to compete. They will take you on in day one or day one hundred and one. They don't care.
In Eve there are two rules.
1. Cover your own butt.
2. When you think you are on top and no one can beat you, refer to rule 1.
I like this game because you just don't know what box of chocolates your going to get.
"And thus I clothe my naked villany/ with old odd ends stolen forth from holy writ/ and seem a saint when most I play the devil." Shakespeare's Richard III Act I Scene 3.
EVE-Uni rules, go check em out.
Or because people play the first month than quit, lowering the average quickly.
Stop whining and feeling sorry for yourself about what you NOT have and use that as an excuse to not compete, not learn and not advance. LEARN about the tools and options you DO have and work with that.
We have no sympathy for all the "waah, we can't compete!!!". We've all been there apart from the true 2003 players who never missed a month's subscription... as in less than 0.1% of the whole server population.
Stop searching for excuses for not putting in effort.
The secret of course is.... join a good corp, and fight together and you can overcome almost any obstacle.
No, of course I can't one on one against a really seasoned vet... yet... but I assure you its possible to skill up a Vagabond in 6 months that will challenge anyone... regardless of their time in the game.
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"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
See, there's a new player who DOES get it, because he puts in effort and looks for opportunities rather than excuses.
Short answer = yes
Long Answer = meh...
Sure, you can compete.............as long as your backed up by a zerg of corpmates. It's a numbers game most of the time. Though, I have seen very small gangs take out big ones with the right strategy.
1. Join a corp that doesnat ahve a minimum joining level sucha s a mining corp as they can be pretty fun too.
2. Or make your own corp.
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Retired from: Neocron, Everquest, Everquest 2, Guild Wars, RF Online and Final Fantasy VII
Currently Playing : EvE Online.
FYI: Blackcat35 was scammed in EVE a while ago (through EVERY fault of his own, and was 100% legal) and is still pissed about it to this day. So, ever since his advice has been negative to persuade people not to play the game (he admitted this a while ago), and a lot of the time his posts are completely full of false information of which he makes up inside his tiny little mind.
That is what EVE can do to some people (they forgot it's only a game).
-iCeh
Breath Blackcat breath. Do it with me now, in with the good air out with the bad air. Now chant, "what doesn't kill me only makes me stronger"
"And thus I clothe my naked villany/ with old odd ends stolen forth from holy writ/ and seem a saint when most I play the devil." Shakespeare's Richard III Act I Scene 3.
Which alliance's black ops? and have I made fun of you in local yet for flying a stealth bomber?
It all depends on what you mean when you ask your question. If you define "compete" by being able to fight and defeat older players, then yes. If you ask if you can create your successful trade empire, then yes. If you mean if you can be one of the most powerful players in game, control vast alliances and elite corporations, then no. There's a very good thread on eve-online forums, which I unfortunately can not link because the site is down atm. It's called "What happened to the role-playing in Eve" (not an exact title, but very close). It's a big post, originally by Jade Constantine (a leader of one of the few Eve RP entities), it explains a lot about the game, not just the rp side of Eve. Read it and you will understand what Eve is about nowadays. To say it short and simple, newer player will never be one of the "supreme commanders" of Eve, but it's true about 99.9% of Eve population, both newbs and vets alike.
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Im betting that after say for example 2 moonths of mining and mission running in one Empire type area you decided to do what we all sometimes decide to do....Move home.
So you DiD what most of us dont do because its unwise to do this, and that was load EVERYTHING of value you had onto one Hauler/Freighter so you only had to make one journey in the mistaken thought that Empire space was 100% safe. This is despite the fact that there is a FAQ somewhere that telly you that 1.0 space doesant mean 100% safe.
So while flying with his goodies to his new home a scout member of a safe space suicide pirate gang scanned your ship and found it was worth the rish of destroying in safe space for the loot.
The resultant action was that next gate a team of suicide ships engaged his haulerindustrial and blew it up before concord got there to kill there ships. Meanwhile a hauler alt or 2 belonging to the suicide gang moved in to scoop up the loot.
Now its important to say that this is allowed in EvE and it would only be done if the rreward from blowing up the hauler and losing there suicide ships was worth it.
This is why most EvE players are willing to both make severall trips and to check the map for possable gate camps. Its ok its an honest Noobie mistake and most get over it once they realise there error and move on quite happily. Tho of course not all do hence this post.
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Retired from: Neocron, Everquest, Everquest 2, Guild Wars, RF Online and Final Fantasy VII
Currently Playing : EvE Online.
If all you do is mine and run missions I would hate the game also. Mining and Mission running is a necessary evil done only to provide you with more PVP ships to lose. Every ship you fly took time/skill to get so losing it means a lot more then in other games where you lose nothing when you die. On the other side, every time you take out a ship you have the satisfaction of knowing they have to do the same thing.
If you want fun join a respectable corp/alliance in 0.0 space where there are lots of hostiles and you will have non stop fun.
In eve you will always find a dude who has a bigger ship and more SP than you...
Of course new players can compete...
If you choose your opponents rightfully...
noob Kestrel vs t2 fitted Cerbeus?
My corp managed to take down a nighthawk command ship with a gang of assault frigs and caracals
That was so awesome
Set sails men!
Oh do'h.. forgot I am alone in this pod onboard my lonely ship in deep space..
Ppl who use words like "compete" don't understand what Eve is about.
In Eve you are not the hero of the story, you are a nobody.
Corp is everything.
Alliance is everything.
Single player is nothing.
If you are in a good corp, no matter how many SP you have, no matter how much money, you will be FAAAAAR more powerful pound-for-pound than other players, because you are learning from the Pros.
Even a 1 month junior BoB guy is 100x better than a 4 year old random player, because corpies teaching him HOW to train and WHAT to train and HOW to make money and WHAT skills are the most valuable, so he gets up to speed faster.
In space learning tactics is everything, having experienced Fleet Commanders is everything.
If you are a 1 month player in a frigate, an experienced corp might use you as a scout, or bait, or a tackler, either way you will be faaaaar more useful than you would flying around lowsec alone waiting to get killed by a 4 year old pirate.
In short, yes a 1 month player is nothing, he is the gum on the bottom of my shoe.
The difference is if you are DUMB you will REMAIN gum on the bottom of my shoe even 4 years from now, while a smart player in just a few weeks can be out there participating and having fun rather than saying "duh I can't win 1v1"
Who the hell fights 1v1 dumbass?
This is not a 1v1 game, when you get ganked you are gonna be outnumbered, its gonna be 10 guys shooting you at the gate, its not gonna matter if you have 1 mil sp or 50 mil sp, your ass is getting podded.
The difference is that most veteran players know how to AVOID the gank and most newbie players don't.
So it comes down to personal knowledge, knowing how to fit, using the map, using intel channels, and RISK MANAGEMENT.
If I know going somewhere is risky to pick up an item, I will use a shuttle or rookieship, this comes from personal experience, when you live in 1 area for a long time you know which gate is always camped, thats another difference between veterans and newbies.
So it has jack to do with Skillpoints and everything to do with personal experience and knowledge of the game.
And yes, in personal knowledge you will always be behind until you've been around for a few years and you learn how to be an Eve Regular, until that time you are just gum on the bottom of everybody's shoe.
I will add a story of mine which IS true BTW.
Me in a ferox verses an notorious roving Ganker[you know the sort all alone hunting miners and haulers at gates and beltsfor Shi*s and Giggles], He was flying a caldari Navy Raven [a special faction ship for those who dont know]. Now i used 2 ECM mods specilised V caldari [a local friendly told me in private chat what he was flying and what he was using wepon wise from his killmail]. and a warp scrambler[just in case].
Wepon wise i had all heavy tech 1 launchers with Kinetic missiles. So i engaged him and after jamming him with the ECM's i closed in and warp ajmmed him [during this i was firing Missiles]. Took me a little while but i managed to kill his ship.
Now back then i was 2.5 - 3 months old and he was a 2 year vet i beat him becaise i thought my way through by getting some intell and fitting to match what i guessed to be his setup [turned out i was wrong he had faction gear but i still won anyway and amde a mint selling his stuff]. My point is that if you are caution and lean when to Run and when to attack yuo should do ok in EvE.
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Retired from: Neocron, Everquest, Everquest 2, Guild Wars, RF Online and Final Fantasy VII
Currently Playing : EvE Online.