Why not just put all EULA on the back of the game boxes before you buy? At least you'd know what you were accepting before you wasted money. Anyways PS3 in MY opinion is rubbish, SONY is abysmal in its decisions towards games. EA is also pants and advertising should be on the box of games and not inside the games themselves in MY opinion.
Warhawk a huge success....... Try Halo 3 on the 360 "Champ" Oh and the makers of Gears of War are called EPIC, surprised you didn't know that considering that they are one of the most famous games developers out there. EPIC have not switched to the PS3, they are making UT3 multi-platform and in the console world Gears is a 360 exclusive ans so will it's sequels be.
Because I know that developers dont always = company name bud. And yes, the exclusive deal includes the Unreal Engine being used soley along side the ps3, along with the Unreal Tournament franchise.
Im not gonna get into this here and now. You guys can start frothing in the mouth all you want, but do your own research. I am not biased, and i am stating the facts. I cant understand this illogical sony hatered you guys are full of, but it is full of ignorance.
Say whatever you want though, it really doesnt phase me.
Get back on topic guys or get out and start a new thread somewhere else.
Im sure someone has said this before.. EA did the same in BF2142, and there i havent even noticed them. And if your so afraid of the "intrusion" then close your browser since its already transmitting the same data to some other place.. plus many, many, many other games do the same, even if they dont say it in EULA(theu should do so) it helps them on tracking cheats and other 3rd party programs, ADs come from your cookies, many other games and web browsers do the same, IP, well.. when ever you log into the internet, you transmit it where ever you go, even when you dont want to.. its pretty useles to worry about it, since wll.. theyARENT allowed to target a AD personnaly for since then they would break their own EULA and couple of laws i know that are in effect atleast in my country.
I'm going to get adds popping up all over my computer!
They are going to steal my personal data and give it to companies!
My identity is going to be stolen every other week by ea!
They are going to watch what i play when im not playing and spam me about it!
Seriously it's not that big of a deal, they aren't going to scan all your folders and give you ads based on what you have, they aren't going to have popups, they aren't going to steal your data.
Theres absolutely nothing to worry or get angry about. but you chicken littles go on ahead.
Heh, I submitted the slashdot article, because I do have serious concerns and am hoping more press = more defined EULA and explanations on how the data is going to be used.
That being said, I went out later that day and pre-ordered and paid in full for my copy, been playing the beta all night. Guess I'm just a sheep, but I don't feel I have anything I need to hide. I just don't want to be Bill Gates towel boy.
I can see it now, people's virus protection and firewalls will (hopefully) block some of this spyware crap. People are going to have problems installing and playing the game... this does not bode well for Hellgate's future.
I really should start reading the EULA of games, i never knew companies had the nerve to do such things... And I'd better give my EA games' EULA a closer look, or might've found my source of hackers and ad-ware...
btw, Since when is EA so desperate to get some money, like the OP said, we'll be paying quite a lot to play HGL, and they still need more?! pathetic...
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If you look at the past comments made by the developers(i read this back in say january or around there), they they intend to keep half of their current staff(as in the people who made the full game) producing new content for their elite subscribers.
Do you know how much that would cost a company? That's what the $10 is for. They aren't other gamers making content for free, not only is the entire team working have a salary that has to be paid(don't be naive and think the original money you paid being say 10 million, would be the "bank" that they'd pay to keep the game going, no company would release a product only to have them spend all their earnings maintaining that product) Compare it to 1 xpac every 4 months if you were to pay for a subscription every month. Compare that to wow etc where the content patches are farther apart and cost more money monthly. Let alone every single player who plays won't be paying, if it required everyone who plays to pay, it would probably be LESS monthly. But they give you a option of playing without paying.
The ads... i read this recently, but their in there to pay for the servers.
You could also count it as the ads replacing the other 5$ in the average mmorpg 15$ a month. And the fact that they COULD have made it so everyone HAD to p2p to play the game.
The only time the ads will bug you, is when your in a station and your looking right at one. that's it.
And heck your on mmorpg.com where there are ads on EVERY PAGE!
If you look at the past comments made by the developers(i read this back in say january or around there), they they intend to keep half of their current staff(as in the people who made the full game) producing new content for their elite subscribers. Do you know how much that would cost a company? That's what the $10 is for. They aren't other gamers making content for free, not only is the entire team working have a salary that has to be paid(don't be naive and think the original money you paid being say 10 million, would be the "bank" that they'd pay to keep the game going, no company would release a product only to have them spend all their earnings maintaining that product) Compare it to 1 xpac every 4 months if you were to pay for a subscription every month. Compare that to wow etc where the content patches are farther apart and cost more money monthly. Let alone every single player who plays won't be paying, if it required everyone who plays to pay, it would probably be LESS monthly. But they give you a option of playing without paying. The ads... i read this recently, but their in there to pay for the servers. You could also count it as the ads replacing the other 5$ in the average mmorpg 15$ a month. And the fact that they COULD have made it so everyone HAD to p2p to play the game. The only time the ads will bug you, is when your in a station and your looking right at one. that's it.
And heck your on mmorpg.com where there are ads on EVERY PAGE!
We are talking about EA which is the biggest video game company in the world, they're not exactly amateurs hurting for money. I can just point you to countless of other MMO games that don't do in game advertisements to "pay for servers" or to "pay for developing content." Need I mention again that we are talking about EA the biggest video game company in the world? They are the last people who wouldn't be able to afford a server or to pay programmers salaries. This is them trying to save and make as much money as possible from you. Nothing about this here is for my or your benefit. Can't compare the MMORPG.com website for advertisements. This site is free, we don't pay a subscription thats why we tolerate it.
Wow. The government is taking our right to privacy away at an astounding rate, and I will be damned if I let some two-bit gaming company join the fray.
Okay do you not get that even though EA is a big company and rich, they still won't want to spend their money on something to make you happy just to make you happy?
As i said before.
The 50$ you spend on the box normally, pays for the initial development. and provides a profit for the company(if there wasn't a profit then why would they make the game?)
What game company would then continue to host the game and continue developing non expansion content for a game without any more income.
Theres a large staff continueing to work on the game. As i said before THATS what your paying for with your OPTIONAL 10$
You also have to know these are secure servers, that will contain your character information, and everyone else who decides to play, and chances are host the actual servers as well.
how do you expect them to pay for these over the next 2-10 years? Do you think ea would constantly be spending money on servers, server maintenance, server techs, etc. The answer is why? to make gamers happy?
You have to realize that at the end of the day, it's a company, they are after money, thats what every video game company is after.
And these ads which are UNOBTRUSIVE. and NOT HARMFUL TO YOU IN ANY WAY! You play through hellgate, and you see a poster for comics, or mythos. Does that hurt you? Does that scare you?
Watch tv for 30 minutes, walk down the street, listen to the radio, browse the web, heck even in books, magazines, and comics, theres ads. They get paid for them.
Why do you think public channels have commercials? to pay for the shows without you having to pay for each channel.
So why do we have ads in hellgate? Because you can and most people will play online for free, and thats how they are going to run them. It's common sense, they want to make money, and they want offer a service.
You people act as if they owe you it, and they should spend their money just to make you have a better experience in the game, AFTER they've already sold you the product.
You know you should stop btiching, and realize that if it wasn't for the ads, and it wasn't for the option of a fee. We wouldn't have secure online servers, we wouldn't have frequent content updates, we'd have a few patches here and there, one expansion, and that's it, like every other dungeon crawler.
If you look at the past comments made by the developers(i read this back in say january or around there), they they intend to keep half of their current staff(as in the people who made the full game) producing new content for their elite subscribers. Do you know how much that would cost a company? That's what the $10 is for. They aren't other gamers making content for free, not only is the entire team working have a salary that has to be paid(don't be naive and think the original money you paid being say 10 million, would be the "bank" that they'd pay to keep the game going, no company would release a product only to have them spend all their earnings maintaining that product) Compare it to 1 xpac every 4 months if you were to pay for a subscription every month. Compare that to wow etc where the content patches are farther apart and cost more money monthly. Let alone every single player who plays won't be paying, if it required everyone who plays to pay, it would probably be LESS monthly. But they give you a option of playing without paying. The ads... i read this recently, but their in there to pay for the servers. You could also count it as the ads replacing the other 5$ in the average mmorpg 15$ a month. And the fact that they COULD have made it so everyone HAD to p2p to play the game. The only time the ads will bug you, is when your in a station and your looking right at one. that's it.
And heck your on mmorpg.com where there are ads on EVERY PAGE!
The advertisements aren't the problem, it's EA giving away personal information that's... weird...
You know it, the best way to realize your dreams is waking up and start moving, never lose hope and always keep up.
The sky is falling the sky is falling! I'm going to get adds popping up all over my computer! They are going to steal my personal data and give it to companies! My identity is going to be stolen every other week by ea! They are going to watch what i play when im not playing and spam me about it!
Seriously it's not that big of a deal, they aren't going to scan all your folders and give you ads based on what you have, they aren't going to have popups, they aren't going to steal your data. Theres absolutely nothing to worry or get angry about. but you chicken littles go on ahead.
Yes! Freedom! And soon...terrorist attacks!..er..I mean...hacker attacks...to your bank account! woot!
The advertisements aren't the problem, it's EA giving away personal information that's... weird...
In all reality any company who runs an anti-hack program in the background is taking information off your computer. IE. WoW, SoE, FFXI, GW, all Steam games, o the list goes on but not needed.
3. Consent to Use of Data. You agree that EA, its affiliates, and each Related Party may collect, use, store and transmit technical and related information that identifies your computer, including without limitation your Internet Protocol address, operating system, application software and peripheral hardware, that may be gathered periodically to facilitate the provision of software updates, dynamically served content, product support and other services to you, including online play. EA and/or the Related Parties may also use this information in the aggregate and, in a form which does not personally identify you, to improve our products and services and we may share that aggregate data with our third party service providers.
Read those
First off massive technology is what will display the ads, and minor details about your computer that any website you visit in the day will have logged already. None of your personal details are stored by them, or even known by them. THERE IS NO PERSONAL DATA.
The 2nd quote, is simply that it may check to see what type of computer your on, and to work with massive. and if you read it, it says IN A FORM THAT DOES NOT PERSONALLY IDENTIFY YOU. Which means your name, your address, your bank, your phone, your email... NONE OF THAT CAN BE GIVEN. Have you ever posted your dxdiag to get a problem fixed? or to sign up for a beta? well guess what, you just did just what they are going to do. whoopdeefricken doo. You know what their third party service providers are? Things like massive.
You guys can freak out all you want. But they aren't mining your computer to see which britney spears songs you downloaded from limewire. They aren't checking to see you have a copy of oblivion pirated. And they aren't "Selling" your information to people, they are working with their in game add provider.
Why do they write it that way? Have you ever read any legal notes? They have to be as wide and inclusive as they can in each clause to protect themselves.
There is NO DANGER, NO RISK, for ANYONE, NO HARM CAN BE DONE TO YOU LEGALLY UNDER THESE NOTES.
Just people looking to make a issue out of nothing.
There is NO DANGER, NO RISK, for ANYONE, NO HARM CAN BE DONE TO YOU LEGALLY UNDER THESE NOTES.
The notes jumped off my screen and beat me. They beat me so hard it hurts, o the pain the pain! None the less good right up Bladin. People still won't get it though.
The advertisements aren't the problem, it's EA giving away personal information that's... weird...
In all reality any company who runs an anti-hack program in the background is taking information off your computer. IE. WoW, SoE, FFXI, GW, all Steam games, o the list goes on but not needed.
If it's not in the EULA, it doesn't exist. Or it's something we called fraud, then...the company get sued, lose tons of money, gain infamy and media attention. This kind of thing is exceptionally likely to happen to EA.
The advertisements aren't the problem, it's EA giving away personal information that's... weird...
In all reality any company who runs an anti-hack program in the background is taking information off your computer. IE. WoW, SoE, FFXI, GW, all Steam games, o the list goes on but not needed.
If it's not in the EULA, it doesn't exist. Or it's something we called fraud, then...the company get sued, lose tons of money, gain infamy and media attention. This kind of thing is exceptionally likely to happen to EA.
Here ya go lightblade. All the EULA you can read of the games I listed that state while running the game they monitor your computer. Some very similar to how the EULA for hgl is worded (IE. WoW's and SoE's).
Here is WoW's
5. Consent to Monitor. WHEN RUNNING, THE GAME MAY MONITOR YOUR COMPUTER'S RANDOM ACCESS MEMORY (RAM) FOR UNAUTHORIZED THIRD PARTY PROGRAMS RUNNING CONCURRENTLY WITH THE GAME. AN “UNAUTHORIZED THIRD PARTY PROGRAM� AS USED HEREIN SHALL BE DEFINED AS ANY THIRD PARTY SOFTWARE, INCLUDING WITHOUT LIMITATION ANY “ADDON,� “MOD,� “HACK,� “TRAINER,� OR “CHEAT,� THAT IN BLIZZARD'S SOLE DETERMINATION: (i) ENABLES OR FACILITATES CHEATING OF ANY TYPE; (ii) ALLOWS USERS TO MODIFY OR HACK THE GAME INTERFACE, ENVIRONMENT, AND/OR EXPERIENCE IN ANY WAY NOT EXPRESSLY AUTHORIZED BY BLIZZARD; OR (iii) INTERCEPTS, “MINES,� OR OTHERWISE COLLECTS INFORMATION FROM OR THROUGH THE GAME. IN THE EVENT THAT THE GAME DETECTS AN UNAUTHORIZED THIRD PARTY PROGRAM, THE GAME MAY (a) COMMUNICATE INFORMATION BACK TO BLIZZARD, INCLUDING WITHOUT LIMITATION YOUR ACCOUNT NAME, DETAILS ABOUT THE UNAUTHORIZED THIRD PARTY PROGRAM DETECTED, AND THE TIME AND DATE THE UNAUTHORIZED THIRD PARTY PROGRAM WAS DETECTED; AND/OR (b) EXERCISE ANY OR ALL OF ITS RIGHTS UNDER THIS AGREEMENT, WITH OR WITHOUT PRIOR NOTICE TO THE USER.
Here is SOE's
We cannot ensure that your private communications and other personally identifiable information will not be disclosed to third parties. For example, we may be forced to disclose information to the government or third parties under certain circumstances, or third parties may unlawfully intercept or access transmissions or private communications. Additionally, we can (and you authorize us to) disclose any information about you to private entities, law enforcement or other government officials as we, in our sole discretion, believe necessary or appropriate to investigate or resolve possible problems or inquiries. You acknowledge and agree that we may transfer such information (including, without limitation your personally identifiable information or personal data) to the United States or other countries or may share such information with our licensees and agents in connection with the Game. You agree that we may communicate with you via telephone, email and any similar technology for any purpose relating to the Game, the Software and any services or software which may in the future be provided by us or on our behalf. You expressly permit SOE to upload CPU, operating system, video card, sound card and memory information from your computer to analyze and optimize your Game experience, improve and maintain the Game and/or provide you with customer service. Furthermore, if you request any technical support, you consent to our remote accessing and review of the computer you load the Software onto for purposes of support and debugging. You may choose to visit http://www.station.sony.com (“The Station”), SOE’s web site, if The Station offers services such as a Game themed chat room or other services of interest to you. You are subject to the terms and conditions, privacy customs and policies of SOE while on The Station. Since we do not control other web sites and/or privacy policies of third parties, different rules may apply to their use or disclosure of the personal information you disclose to others. Solely for the purpose of patching and updating the Game and/or the Software and ensuring the integrity of the Game, you hereby grant us permission to: (i) upload Game related file information and data from your computer; and (ii) download Game files to you. You acknowledge that any and all character data is stored and is resident on our servers, and any and all communications that you make within the Game (including, but not limited to, messages solely directed at another player or group of players) traverse through our servers, may or may not be monitored by us or our agents, you have no expectation of privacy in any such communications and expressly consent to such monitoring of communications you send and receive.
Here is GW's
The Game(s) is designed for official play only as offered through the Service by NC Interactive at the Web Site and not through any other means. You further agree not to access, create or provide any other means through which Game(s) may be played by others, as through server emulators. You agree not to use any hardware or software, including but not limited to third party tools, or any other method of support which may in any way influence or advantage your use of the Service which is not authorized by NC Interactive, including but not limited to the use of 'bots' and/or any other method by which the Service may be played automatically without human input. You acknowledge that you do not have the right to create, publish, distribute, create derivative works from or use any software programs, utilities, applications, emulators or tools derived from or created for the Game(s), except that you may use the Software to the extent expressly permitted by this Agreement. You may not take any action which imposes an unreasonable or disproportionately large load on our infrastructure. You may not sell or auction any Game(s) accounts, characters, items, coin or copyrighted material, nor may you assist others in doing so.
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Whatever..
Aye the advertising in game is a whole new level of profit churning for EA,
I personally dont mind the odd thing in games if its like a bill board in a street in an fps game or
whatever as it adds a little more realisim but knowing EA they will take it too far
The Deathstar destroyed planets...SOE destroyed Galaxies
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Because I know that developers dont always = company name bud. And yes, the exclusive deal includes the Unreal Engine being used soley along side the ps3, along with the Unreal Tournament franchise.
Im not gonna get into this here and now. You guys can start frothing in the mouth all you want, but do your own research. I am not biased, and i am stating the facts. I cant understand this illogical sony hatered you guys are full of, but it is full of ignorance.
Say whatever you want though, it really doesnt phase me.
Get back on topic guys or get out and start a new thread somewhere else.
read the last 2 posts of me, ur straying off topic son i moved on 30 min ago
The Deathstar destroyed planets...SOE destroyed Galaxies
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SWG | EVE | WOW | VG | LOTRO | WAR | FML | STO | APB | AOC | MORTAL | WOT
as a pc gamer do you care? lets keep this to the OP topic now lads
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SWG | EVE | WOW | VG | LOTRO | WAR | FML | STO | APB | AOC | MORTAL | WOT
Pathetic that you have to multiple flame people & continue with this off topic issue that YOU dragged on
despite that ive posted a few times in the last 3o mins in relation to the original topic & yet you drag it on!
To take it further you have to call poeple retards & swear at people it sums you & your posts up
Once you raise your voice, swear or personally abuse people you have lost the argument now
get back to the original topic & stop the abuse & flaming
The Deathstar destroyed planets...SOE destroyed Galaxies
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Im sure someone has said this before.. EA did the same in BF2142, and there i havent even noticed them. And if your so afraid of the "intrusion" then close your browser since its already transmitting the same data to some other place.. plus many, many, many other games do the same, even if they dont say it in EULA(theu should do so) it helps them on tracking cheats and other 3rd party programs, ADs come from your cookies, many other games and web browsers do the same, IP, well.. when ever you log into the internet, you transmit it where ever you go, even when you dont want to.. its pretty useles to worry about it, since wll.. theyARENT allowed to target a AD personnaly for since then they would break their own EULA and couple of laws i know that are in effect atleast in my country.
Dang, I liked the look of the lock too. Oh well.
Bob Ross
Just a quick FYI, this issue has made Slashdort: http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/10/21/1623205&from=rss
The title didn't seem appealing to begin with, but this is a definite hell no. :-P
~Myskers
The sky is falling the sky is falling!
I'm going to get adds popping up all over my computer!
They are going to steal my personal data and give it to companies!
My identity is going to be stolen every other week by ea!
They are going to watch what i play when im not playing and spam me about it!
Seriously it's not that big of a deal, they aren't going to scan all your folders and give you ads based on what you have, they aren't going to have popups, they aren't going to steal your data.
Theres absolutely nothing to worry or get angry about. but you chicken littles go on ahead.
Heh, I submitted the slashdot article, because I do have serious concerns and am hoping more press = more defined EULA and explanations on how the data is going to be used.
That being said, I went out later that day and pre-ordered and paid in full for my copy, been playing the beta all night. Guess I'm just a sheep, but I don't feel I have anything I need to hide. I just don't want to be Bill Gates towel boy.
I can see it now, people's virus protection and firewalls will (hopefully) block some of this spyware crap. People are going to have problems installing and playing the game... this does not bode well for Hellgate's future.
I really should start reading the EULA of games, i never knew companies had the nerve to do such things... And I'd better give my EA games' EULA a closer look, or might've found my source of hackers and ad-ware...
btw, Since when is EA so desperate to get some money, like the OP said, we'll be paying quite a lot to play HGL, and they still need more?! pathetic...
You know it, the best way to realize your dreams is waking up and start moving, never lose hope and always keep up.
If you look at the past comments made by the developers(i read this back in say january or around there), they they intend to keep half of their current staff(as in the people who made the full game) producing new content for their elite subscribers.
Do you know how much that would cost a company? That's what the $10 is for. They aren't other gamers making content for free, not only is the entire team working have a salary that has to be paid(don't be naive and think the original money you paid being say 10 million, would be the "bank" that they'd pay to keep the game going, no company would release a product only to have them spend all their earnings maintaining that product) Compare it to 1 xpac every 4 months if you were to pay for a subscription every month. Compare that to wow etc where the content patches are farther apart and cost more money monthly. Let alone every single player who plays won't be paying, if it required everyone who plays to pay, it would probably be LESS monthly. But they give you a option of playing without paying.
The ads... i read this recently, but their in there to pay for the servers.
You could also count it as the ads replacing the other 5$ in the average mmorpg 15$ a month. And the fact that they COULD have made it so everyone HAD to p2p to play the game.
The only time the ads will bug you, is when your in a station and your looking right at one. that's it.
And heck your on mmorpg.com where there are ads on EVERY PAGE!
We are talking about EA which is the biggest video game company in the world, they're not exactly amateurs hurting for money. I can just point you to countless of other MMO games that don't do in game advertisements to "pay for servers" or to "pay for developing content." Need I mention again that we are talking about EA the biggest video game company in the world? They are the last people who wouldn't be able to afford a server or to pay programmers salaries. This is them trying to save and make as much money as possible from you. Nothing about this here is for my or your benefit. Can't compare the MMORPG.com website for advertisements. This site is free, we don't pay a subscription thats why we tolerate it.
Wow. The government is taking our right to privacy away at an astounding rate, and I will be damned if I let some two-bit gaming company join the fray.
Okay do you not get that even though EA is a big company and rich, they still won't want to spend their money on something to make you happy just to make you happy?
As i said before.
The 50$ you spend on the box normally, pays for the initial development. and provides a profit for the company(if there wasn't a profit then why would they make the game?)
What game company would then continue to host the game and continue developing non expansion content for a game without any more income.
Theres a large staff continueing to work on the game. As i said before THATS what your paying for with your OPTIONAL 10$
You also have to know these are secure servers, that will contain your character information, and everyone else who decides to play, and chances are host the actual servers as well.
how do you expect them to pay for these over the next 2-10 years? Do you think ea would constantly be spending money on servers, server maintenance, server techs, etc. The answer is why? to make gamers happy?
You have to realize that at the end of the day, it's a company, they are after money, thats what every video game company is after.
And these ads which are UNOBTRUSIVE. and NOT HARMFUL TO YOU IN ANY WAY! You play through hellgate, and you see a poster for comics, or mythos. Does that hurt you? Does that scare you?
Watch tv for 30 minutes, walk down the street, listen to the radio, browse the web, heck even in books, magazines, and comics, theres ads. They get paid for them.
Why do you think public channels have commercials? to pay for the shows without you having to pay for each channel.
So why do we have ads in hellgate? Because you can and most people will play online for free, and thats how they are going to run them. It's common sense, they want to make money, and they want offer a service.
You people act as if they owe you it, and they should spend their money just to make you have a better experience in the game, AFTER they've already sold you the product.
You know you should stop btiching, and realize that if it wasn't for the ads, and it wasn't for the option of a fee. We wouldn't have secure online servers, we wouldn't have frequent content updates, we'd have a few patches here and there, one expansion, and that's it, like every other dungeon crawler.
The advertisements aren't the problem, it's EA giving away personal information that's... weird...
You know it, the best way to realize your dreams is waking up and start moving, never lose hope and always keep up.
Yes! Freedom! And soon...terrorist attacks!..er..I mean...hacker attacks...to your bank account! woot!
In all reality any company who runs an anti-hack program in the background is taking information off your computer. IE. WoW, SoE, FFXI, GW, all Steam games, o the list goes on but not needed.
16. Massive Technology. The Software incorporates technology of Massive Incorporated ("Massive") that enables in-game advertising, and the display of other similar in-game objects, which are uploaded temporarily to your personal computer or game console and replaced during online game play. As part of this process, Massive may collect your Internet protocol address and other basic anonymous information, and will use this information for the general purposes of transmitting and measuring in-game advertising. Massive does not store or use any of this information for the purpose of discovering your personal identity. For additional details regarding Massive’s in-game advertising practices, and to understand your options with respect to in-game advertising and data collection, please see Massive's privacy policy at http://www.massiveincorporated.com/site_network/privacy.htm. The trademarks and copyrighted material contained in all in-game advertising are the property of the respective owners. Portions of this product are © 2007 Massive Incorporated. All rights reserved.
3. Consent to Use of Data. You agree that EA, its affiliates, and each Related Party may collect, use, store and transmit technical and related information that identifies your computer, including without limitation your Internet Protocol address, operating system, application software and peripheral hardware, that may be gathered periodically to facilitate the provision of software updates, dynamically served content, product support and other services to you, including online play. EA and/or the Related Parties may also use this information in the aggregate and, in a form which does not personally identify you, to improve our products and services and we may share that aggregate data with our third party service providers.
Read those
First off massive technology is what will display the ads, and minor details about your computer that any website you visit in the day will have logged already. None of your personal details are stored by them, or even known by them. THERE IS NO PERSONAL DATA.
The 2nd quote, is simply that it may check to see what type of computer your on, and to work with massive. and if you read it, it says IN A FORM THAT DOES NOT PERSONALLY IDENTIFY YOU. Which means your name, your address, your bank, your phone, your email... NONE OF THAT CAN BE GIVEN. Have you ever posted your dxdiag to get a problem fixed? or to sign up for a beta? well guess what, you just did just what they are going to do. whoopdeefricken doo. You know what their third party service providers are? Things like massive.
You guys can freak out all you want. But they aren't mining your computer to see which britney spears songs you downloaded from limewire. They aren't checking to see you have a copy of oblivion pirated. And they aren't "Selling" your information to people, they are working with their in game add provider.
Why do they write it that way? Have you ever read any legal notes? They have to be as wide and inclusive as they can in each clause to protect themselves.
There is NO DANGER, NO RISK, for ANYONE, NO HARM CAN BE DONE TO YOU LEGALLY UNDER THESE NOTES.
Just people looking to make a issue out of nothing.
The notes jumped off my screen and beat me. They beat me so hard it hurts, o the pain the pain! None the less good right up Bladin. People still won't get it though.
In all reality any company who runs an anti-hack program in the background is taking information off your computer. IE. WoW, SoE, FFXI, GW, all Steam games, o the list goes on but not needed.
If it's not in the EULA, it doesn't exist. Or it's something we called fraud, then...the company get sued, lose tons of money, gain infamy and media attention. This kind of thing is exceptionally likely to happen to EA.
In all reality any company who runs an anti-hack program in the background is taking information off your computer. IE. WoW, SoE, FFXI, GW, all Steam games, o the list goes on but not needed.
If it's not in the EULA, it doesn't exist. Or it's something we called fraud, then...the company get sued, lose tons of money, gain infamy and media attention. This kind of thing is exceptionally likely to happen to EA.
Here ya go lightblade. All the EULA you can read of the games I listed that state while running the game they monitor your computer. Some very similar to how the EULA for hgl is worded (IE. WoW's and SoE's).
Here is WoW's
5. Consent to Monitor. WHEN RUNNING, THE GAME MAY MONITOR YOUR COMPUTER'S RANDOM ACCESS MEMORY (RAM) FOR UNAUTHORIZED THIRD PARTY PROGRAMS RUNNING CONCURRENTLY WITH THE GAME. AN “UNAUTHORIZED THIRD PARTY PROGRAM� AS USED HEREIN SHALL BE DEFINED AS ANY THIRD PARTY SOFTWARE, INCLUDING WITHOUT LIMITATION ANY “ADDON,� “MOD,� “HACK,� “TRAINER,� OR “CHEAT,� THAT IN BLIZZARD'S SOLE DETERMINATION: (i) ENABLES OR FACILITATES CHEATING OF ANY TYPE; (ii) ALLOWS USERS TO MODIFY OR HACK THE GAME INTERFACE, ENVIRONMENT, AND/OR EXPERIENCE IN ANY WAY NOT EXPRESSLY AUTHORIZED BY BLIZZARD; OR (iii) INTERCEPTS, “MINES,� OR OTHERWISE COLLECTS INFORMATION FROM OR THROUGH THE GAME. IN THE EVENT THAT THE GAME DETECTS AN UNAUTHORIZED THIRD PARTY PROGRAM, THE GAME MAY (a) COMMUNICATE INFORMATION BACK TO BLIZZARD, INCLUDING WITHOUT LIMITATION YOUR ACCOUNT NAME, DETAILS ABOUT THE UNAUTHORIZED THIRD PARTY PROGRAM DETECTED, AND THE TIME AND DATE THE UNAUTHORIZED THIRD PARTY PROGRAM WAS DETECTED; AND/OR (b) EXERCISE ANY OR ALL OF ITS RIGHTS UNDER THIS AGREEMENT, WITH OR WITHOUT PRIOR NOTICE TO THE USER.
Here is SOE's
We cannot ensure that your private communications and other personally identifiable information will not be disclosed to third parties. For example, we may be forced to disclose information to the government or third parties under certain circumstances, or third parties may unlawfully intercept or access transmissions or private communications. Additionally, we can (and you authorize us to) disclose any information about you to private entities, law enforcement or other government officials as we, in our sole discretion, believe necessary or appropriate to investigate or resolve possible problems or inquiries. You acknowledge and agree that we may transfer such information (including, without limitation your personally identifiable information or personal data) to the United States or other countries or may share such information with our licensees and agents in connection with the Game. You agree that we may communicate with you via telephone, email and any similar technology for any purpose relating to the Game, the Software and any services or software which may in the future be provided by us or on our behalf. You expressly permit SOE to upload CPU, operating system, video card, sound card and memory information from your computer to analyze and optimize your Game experience, improve and maintain the Game and/or provide you with customer service. Furthermore, if you request any technical support, you consent to our remote accessing and review of the computer you load the Software onto for purposes of support and debugging. You may choose to visit http://www.station.sony.com (“The Station”), SOE’s web site, if The Station offers services such as a Game themed chat room or other services of interest to you. You are subject to the terms and conditions, privacy customs and policies of SOE while on The Station. Since we do not control other web sites and/or privacy policies of third parties, different rules may apply to their use or disclosure of the personal information you disclose to others. Solely for the purpose of patching and updating the Game and/or the Software and ensuring the integrity of the Game, you hereby grant us permission to: (i) upload Game related file information and data from your computer; and (ii) download Game files to you. You acknowledge that any and all character data is stored and is resident on our servers, and any and all communications that you make within the Game (including, but not limited to, messages solely directed at another player or group of players) traverse through our servers, may or may not be monitored by us or our agents, you have no expectation of privacy in any such communications and expressly consent to such monitoring of communications you send and receive.
Here is GW's
The Game(s) is designed for official play only as offered through the Service by NC Interactive at the Web Site and not through any other means. You further agree not to access, create or provide any other means through which Game(s) may be played by others, as through server emulators. You agree not to use any hardware or software, including but not limited to third party tools, or any other method of support which may in any way influence or advantage your use of the Service which is not authorized by NC Interactive, including but not limited to the use of 'bots' and/or any other method by which the Service may be played automatically without human input. You acknowledge that you do not have the right to create, publish, distribute, create derivative works from or use any software programs, utilities, applications, emulators or tools derived from or created for the Game(s), except that you may use the Software to the extent expressly permitted by this Agreement. You may not take any action which imposes an unreasonable or disproportionately large load on our infrastructure. You may not sell or auction any Game(s) accounts, characters, items, coin or copyrighted material, nor may you assist others in doing so.