LOL i wounder how long this game can go before plp start hacking it.....

Madgunz · July 2004

I have been playing blizzard games for 6 years wether it be starcraft, starcraft broodwar, daiblo , diablo 2, diablo lod,warcraft 1 ,2 ,and 3 , and i have noticed that ever time blizzard makes a new patch to git rid of hacks, plp find away around the patch and iether tweak the already made hacks for that patch or just make new ones.

I wounder how long world of warcraft can go before plp start hacking it.

well im going to talk to blizzard rep later and ask what he thinks about a hacking problem on that game

DaShiz · July 2004

Every MMO that has been released has and usually has quite a few people who try to hack the game, but you must understand that the extent upon which game play or mechanics can be altered is reduced significantly because the majority of the game worlds statistics are controled by the servers. The majority of "cheating" is done by finding a glitch/bug in the game and taking advantage of it over and over until it is patched. One thing that you shouldn't get confused with as a hack though is 3rd party programs that are set up to perform simple functions inside the game to reduce alot of the users required input to perform simple tasks, i.e. Cosmos, which is already being used by some of the beta community. There are programs like these for almost every single mmo out right now. But as far as hacking the game goes, I doubt that you will see that any where near as much as what happens upon the b.net games because information is processed and stored differently within mmo's.

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Annekynn · July 2004

Well it all depends on three things, a) how much info will be stored on the server side versus the client side, b) how well the data between the server and client will be encrypted and c) how often blizzard will update the game and shuffle the memory locations of important data. It will also be important how actively blizzard cracks down on cheaters. In DAoC for example, mythic couldnt have cared less. They made ZERO effort. Hopefully blizzard will not make that mistake.

Frankly I dont expect WoW to receive any less or more hacking attempts than any other very popular mmrpg.

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Zafar · July 2004

I have never seen anything other than what was recently stated as the taking advantage of bugs (casting spells through walls, hiding in surroundings to avoid melee attacks, ect.) I'm sure it will be attempted but as long as blizzard has any mediocore DNAS on their severs it will be nearly impossible and most definatly not worth ones time to hack. Unlike the "Crafts" and Diablos wherin a user could get some cheap hack program to dupe items or edit player specs and resourses the DNAS will force such programs to be very large and very difficult to produce. At most I doubt that anyone capable of such a creation would be willing to distribute it much at all.

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agentcipher · July 2004

Something I've seen Blizzard do besides just simply patching their game for things like Starcraft and Diablo is banning the accounts of serial offenders, something I've rarely seen done by any other company. Blizzard has stated many times that they're trying their best to limit hacking, and I'd take their word about it over any other gaming company out there today. Besides, as other people have stated, very little information is stored on the client's computer; most is stored on the server. It's almost like the server hosts everything that you're doing and it's just feeding you control of your character, something much different than in any other field of gaming today. Hacking shouldn't be the problem, the problem should be glitches. But as we've seen so far from Blizzard's beta test right now is they're actually fixing bugs unlike some other games *cough lineage2 cough*. C'mon, you couldn't even walk out doors in that stupid game... *grumble grumble*

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Perm2069 · July 2004

everything that has been said in this thread i woud say that i would have to agree with. most everything, if not everything will be stored server side. blizzard has learned from what other people have done, and they are avoiding that. a good example of a great exploit in EQ was fishing. everything that you could fish for (ie rare or common fish, rusty weapons etc.) was stored client side in an *.ini file with a binch of numbers corisponding to the certain item. when this was discovered, people started fishing up some really cool items. mainly things like rare, no-drop armer, and some people started fishing up bars of platinum. i dont know about you, but i have never seen the rar armer fish, or the platinum fish. because not that many people fished, this issue went on for a little longer thatn normal, but when it was discovered, it was fixed during the next patch.

some people are thinking because other blizzard games have been hacked, that this one will be able to be hacked... not going to be the case. as i just said, and people have before me have said, almost all of the information is going to be stored server side. this is all done for the reason of hacking.

i have seen a few posts like this before, but havnt really paid much attention to them. i would just like to say that people should take the time to reaserch things before they post, and talk about them. but to all of you that dont want to take the time to read a little bit, keep posting, and we will keep correcting you.

thats it,... im done

Madgunz · July 2004

Banning accounts and cd keys of hackers dose no good cuz its not hard to make another acount and most plp have extra cd keys theyse for bots and other things... mayb if blizzard did more ip bans then plp would stop hacking.

agentcipher · July 2004

nah. they wouldn't do IP bans because most people have dynamic ip's anyways. Plus just banning CD keys forces them to go out and buy the game again if they're serious about playing, so they'll earn more profit anyways.

Trust me. Someone who wants to hack will get the picture when he's banned from the game he spent $50 on to play, then has to go out and spend another $50 to get a working CD key... it's not like key generators let you play on blizz's servers anyways.

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Madgunz · July 2004

most hackers run bots and if u ever been to clan channel or to clan rectruit ment u would see tht most plp have 5-20 bots and each bot has its own cdkey plus.. its not hard to git a new cd key these days, i have about 65 cdkeys that i traded illys for.But i have heard of blizzard doing ip bans and banning every cdkey, and account ever used on that persons ip adress

agentcipher · July 2004

well then, just put some faith in 'em ::::28::

besides, it's a bit harder to get keys for mmo's than it is for Starcraft or Diablo.

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Madgunz · July 2004

$50 dolors.. i dont no where u live but u can jsut go to sam goodies, walmart,best buy or somthing like that and git it for $20

Madgunz · July 2004

Well it wil be hard at first to git cd keys for WoW .. so hacking will ne down at first

el_Slacko · July 2004

It might go for 20$ after its been out for 3 years. But noone will sell WoW for 20$ anytime soon.

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Vakktn · July 2004

WoW will NEVER be hacked like diablo and the "craft" games were. MMOs are an entirely different type of game. Everything is server side and not client side. I have yet to see a major MMO get "Hacked". Yes there have been bugs in game that people have exploited to get more gold or faster xp in other MMOs but thats the programers who developed the games fault and has nothing to do with hacking. There was an exploit in the beta already which was found and fixed. There will probabaly be more found but thats common with most MMOs its all in how blizzard deals with the exploiters and how fast they fix the exploiting problem.

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Axel_karef · July 2004

Exploitations are as close as hacking will get to this game. Period.

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drigam · July 2004

One of the coolest "hacks" of a mmo I had seen was what a group of people did on HackersQuest. It was sort of a reverse engineering of the game and they were able to get it to run on their local server. No, they couldn't connect to the public EQ servers, but they were able to play around with all the content locally save any server side stuff.

As for hacking, forget it, like everyone said it's all server side. But you never know, like EQ was riddled with glitches and exploits and the occasional inside job (rumor) where an admin had setup a banker inside a relatively abandoned zone that converted 10PP for each 1CP.

Opsunit7 · July 2004

LOL yea u got a good point theres always a patch that supposivly stops hackin but in less than like a week people are already hackin so i give it about........1 month possibly 2

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fenomas · July 2004

Originally posted by Annex1

Well it all depends on three things, a) how much info will be stored on the server side versus the client side, b) how well the data between the server and client will be encrypted and c) how often blizzard will update the game and shuffle the memory locations of important data.

Just an aside, but here, b) and c) are pretty much moot points. They amount to security through obscurity, and anyone with dedication can figure out new memory locations and bytecodes faster than they can be implemented. A) is the important point - for example, if Bliz is foolish enough to have the server notify clients of invisible players but trust the client to hide that information from the player, then you can look forward to see-invis hacks, but since that's roughly the same thing as MapHack, hopefully they've learned their lesson... ...hopefully... 0_o

Incidentally, for who said no MMORPG has been hacked, Shadowbane had a very high-profile hack where some folks gained mod powers and were porting players (and cities) to the bottom of the ocean, spawning uber mobs, and such. But rumors were rampant that it was a publicity gimmick...

Axel_karef · July 2004

Originally posted by drigam
One of the coolest "hacks" of a mmo I had seen was what a group of people did on HackersQuest. It was sort of a reverse engineering of the game and they were able to get it to run on their local server. No, they couldn't connect to the public EQ servers, but they were able to play around with all the content locally save any server side stuff.

Heh yea I remember all the locally run UO shards that are still being run to this day. It'd be fun to play with an MMO's settings. Slap 50 or so lvl 50 Orc Warrior NPCs in the middle of Stormwind and see what happens, lol.

BTW: drigam what is your avatar from? Is that Black and White 2?

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drigam · July 2004

Originally posted by Axel_karef
BTW: drigam what is your avatar from? Is that Black and White 2?

Yeah. Here's to hoping it isn't a baby sitting hamster wheel like the first one.

Axel_karef · July 2004

lmao Yea I know what you mean. "ok here's some hay, eat this." *creature throws hay at a building then takes a crap on the vilage food storage* *You slap the creature to punish it but it falls over and breaks the village store* *villagers start to worship the pile of crap that ur creature left in their grain*

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Dracius · July 2004

Originally posted by Madgunz
Banning accounts and cd keys of hackers dose no good cuz its not hard to make another acount and most plp have extra cd keys theyse for bots and other things... mayb if blizzard did more ip bans then plp would stop hacking.

ROFLMAO

CD keys cost money. So yes it does good. Everytime they ban one of that person's CD keys, that person has to purchase another one, via buying the gameoutright again for $50, or manging to find a key cheaper than the actual game on ebay. Which isn't likely, granted the high probability of the games imediate and continued success. They also need to collect account information from that person, that matches their payment information. IE a real name and address. So they can just not merit that person with another active account, or monitor it when active. If someone wants to hack a game so badly that they're willing to re-buy cd keys every week and restart their character evey week.... Let them I say, more money for blizzard = more content for WoW.

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drigam · July 2004

LOL

yeah.. I let my pet wander alone too much and he eventually started crapping everywhere, eating it and the occasional villager as a desert. Funniest thing I ever saw cause he started to take on the evil coloring and crazed look with hair that looked like he was struck by lightning.

agentcipher · July 2004

for some reason when I was playing that I was quite possibly the nicest god, giving everyone their incessant demands constantly. However, for some unknown reason my creature decided to be the most demonic cow ever. Had long, wicked, twisted horns, smoking black and red flesh that appeard to be burnt, long fangs... etc etc.

However, he always felt 'generous'. For some reason he liked to water plants. He would start up a little forest patch somewhere and start watering it so the trees could grow. Then when villagers walked by to thank him, he ate them, threw them around, or whatever.

As a cow, you think it'd eat some grain! but apparently it made him sick ::::12::

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MDruid · July 2004

WOW will not get hacked like DiabloI&II, WCII&III, and SC! the point is there are a lot of enforcers on teh servers so if anyone starts blatently hacking they will get OWNED BY THE GOD CLIENT a.k.a. banned! ::::40::

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Axel_karef · July 2004

However, he always felt 'generous'. For some reason he liked to water plants. He would start up a little forest patch somewhere and start watering it so the trees could grow. Then when villagers walked by to thank him, he ate them, threw them around, or whatever.

Alot of evil entities are attracted to caring for nature. Hitler was a vegetarian painter. It's true.

.....no...he did not paint vegetarians....you know what I meant

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