Tank shells

Fander · July 2004

Hi,

I am really interested in this game!

Are there different kinds of tank shells simulated like AP and HEAT?

Thanks!

Pruitt · July 2004

Oooo, this could get ugly. lol

The simple answer is yes, but at the current time it's mostly limited to HE & AP. At one time the Germans had AP40 modeled, but it was taken away due to some balancing issues, but it could be easily added back to the game when the Devs choose to. It's a very touchy subject with the Playerbase. lol

I also believe there's some primitive forms of HEAT modeled in the STUG I believe. Possibly a Brit tank also. But I'm not a Tanker so I'm not positive they're still around. I know the Brit RifleGranade is HEAT based and can do damage to some of the very lightly armored Axis tanks, unlike the French and German HE riflegrenades.

Hopefully a dedicated Treadhead will stop by and definitively answer your question.

Have Fun!

Generallieutenant Pruitt, Retired GHC
1st Lithuanian Brigade "Iron Wolves"

Fander · July 2004

Good, I will give this game definitely a try! :-)

RazzerKG · July 2004

Originally posted by Pruitt

Oooo, this could get ugly. lol
The simple answer is yes, but at the current time it's mostly limited to HE & AP. At one time the Germans had AP40 modeled, but it was taken away due to some balancing issues, but it could be easily added back to the game when the Devs choose to. It's a very touchy subject with the Playerbase. lol
I also believe there's some primitive forms of HEAT modeled in the STUG I believe. Possibly a Brit tank also. But I'm not a Tanker so I'm not positive they're still around. I know the Brit RifleGranade is HEAT based and can do damage to some of the very lightly armored Axis tanks, unlike the French and German HE riflegrenades.
Hopefully a dedicated Treadhead will stop by and definitively answer your question.
Have Fun!

Generallieutenant Pruitt, Retired GHC
1st Lithuanian Brigade "Iron Wolves"

There are only 2 tanks in this game with HEAT shells at this time, 1 is the Stug and the other is the PZ IV D, both have a limited surply of HEAT for now, Germans did have AP40 some time ago, but was removed due to balance issues as said, otherwise the main thing is AP and HE, the brit grenadier do have HEAT riffle grenades.

The anti tank guns varies between HE and AP, british 2pdr only have AP (same with the british tanks, only AP) french atgs are the same, i can't rember if the Ca mle34 have HE, but the Ca mle37 do not have HE - The Pak36 and the Flak36 have a "large" portion of AP and a smal load of HE, the Flak30 Anti Air Gun have a smal load of AP rounds, but it's HEs for the rest of the money, the Ca mle38 (flak30s counter pice) do not have AP but has a higer load of HE.

Razzer

Slamen · July 2004

Actually, there are 4 tank shells modeled at this time.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />

These are AP (allies only, it's a solid shot), APHE (germans only, small HE shell inside a penetrator for more devastating effects inside a tank), HE and HEAT.

The even though there are 3 anti tank type rounds, the AP and the HEAT work differently. The AP depends on kinetic energy to penetrate the armor, where the HEAT round uses a chemical energy to penetrate. What does that really mean; the HEAT will penetrate a given amount of armor at any range where the AP's penetration will diminish over distance.

AvatarKava · July 2004

Originally posted by beatbox
Problem is HE never worked except against armored units, but HE is made of high explosives wich would blast away infantry into mince meat but never did. Stug has what , 6 HEAT rounds ? lol
Oh and yeah, no ap39/40 for germans cause crs needs to balance things out because they didnt make 6pdrs/25pdrs , they're too busy making porked VDM's.

I'm still curious as to your opinion on why the visual damage model is 'porked'. It's by far the most realistic thing I've seen in any game in this genre. Infantry needs it, but I think there's some sensitivity to how gruesome that might look.

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Black Knight Brigade
http://www.bkbhq.com

wlfman · July 2004

Ava don't mind beatbox. His only reason for posting here is to flame wwiiol and anyone that plays it. He doesn't care if his statements are true or not. The only thing that makes him happy is to take jabs at the game.

But he is not bitter for being banned from wwiiol.

www.Razorbacks2.com

XLater · July 2004

Yes beatbox that's quite enough.

avongunn · July 2004

Hmm Kind of like the gene pool you came from huh beatbox?

Szyporyn · July 2004

Lol Beatbox I doubt you have any understanding of coding at all, and yet you claim you grandma could code better than CRS.

Fact is Beatbox you LOVED the game, but have an unpleasant attitude and most likely left the game felt let down because plp didnt like you and your ways.

Its all clear as daylight :-) but just for the heck of it, lets see you have your grandma code something better

Lofty666 · July 2004

The 2 Pounder on the FMBs, has HE rounds to , All side use the same small boat.

But atm the HE isn't very good, I hope oneday CRS do make the HE for all weapons like they did for Grens & and RG.

But....... If they do, we may start to see WW1 online , its going to be h3ll for the inf.,AA & ATG. I am all for it but, there are many player that are not, becuase of some things or things that need to be added first

There are 4 types of rounds ingame..............

AP "solid round" = Allies have this as there main AP shell

AP "AP with HE" = All Axis AP rounds have some HE in them, to kill or hurt the crew inside the tank etc etc.

HE = All Axis ATG & Tanks have this, all French tanks have HE, but French ATG don't, and Brits tanks & ATG don't have any.

HEAT= Only 2 Axis units have this Pz4D & StugB "I think its the B version"?

The next round of Tanks & ATG should be in by the end of the year, so maybe then we will see HE for all sides ATG & Tank shells.......

Edit.....They may add new types of APs shell to the new Tanks & ATGs, but who knows . We will just have to wait and see.......

Pruitt · July 2004

Beatbox, if only you had a clue. lol

Redscreens will be going away shortly. It's on the Devs shortlist of things to do. But of course you'd rather slam a game you haven't played in probably 6-10 patch cycles and that you have no idea what is in the works for. Yeah, those are the kind of people I listen to when I buy a new game. lol

And what's your point on the Dev Team size? Yeah it's small. But it's also extremely dedicated and responsive to the the Playerbase. That can't be said for the vast majority of software on the market. We receive a new update/[atch evry 4-6 weeks now. The game continues to imprve all the time. In fact, the next update/patch will be released this week or next week. But that doesn't matter to you, does it?

Take your bitterness of being banned somewhere else. It's really getting old now. You have no idea what you're talking about anymore.

AvatarKava · July 2004

I had hoped you could possibly respond to my question and make an intelligent post on the subject.

I countered all of your points, but you'll still just post that it's "porked" or CRS is a bunch of liars or that I'm a 'fanboy'.... why are you so hell bent on posting the same thing repeatedly?

Apparently there is a legion of players who are CRS's pawns and come here to post even though they don't actually like the game :P

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Col. Ava
Black Knight Brigade
http://www.bkbhq.com

AvatarKava · July 2004

Originally posted by beatbox
I had hoped you guys would stop lying and making up stuff about the game, i guess i was wrong.

I tried to give you the benefit of the doubt - you spend the entire post where you were whining about being personally attacked saying that you're entitled to your opinion.

Apparently I'm not entitled to mine... that's "lying and making up stuff".

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Col. Ava
Black Knight Brigade
http://www.bkbhq.com

kamel · July 2004

Lying and making up stuff = Disagreeing.

This kind of sillyness is why we suggest avoiding the forums at Playnet.

I only know of maybe one person I would consider a CRS Fanbois beyond all reason... and he hasn't shown his face here yet. If anyone wants to consider me a Fanbois... CRS might differ strongely.

WWIIOL isn't perfect. I've never played a game that was [or I'd still be there].

There are bugs.

There are problems.

There are inadequacies... flaws... exploits... and some stuff is downright silly.

Anyone who says otherwise about WWIIOL [or any other game] is a raving looney.

Just as looney as claiming that everything is wrong, doesn't work, and everything WWIIOL related sucks.

Taken as a whole. WWIIOL does what it is supposed to do... and does what no other single game has done, or will do for some time to come.

Please note that the trash talkers have yet to come up with a single accusation better than "it sucks, you're lying, you suck, you're making stuff up".

Why trash talk a game you don't even play any more?

XLater · July 2004

Wwiiol is just such a strange animal i really wouldn't know how to rate it as a reviewer. There are still a lot of problems with the game, that i would admit, but its just so fun, immersive and addictive despite all of that.

If i were a reviewer i owuld rate it an AVERAGE of about 6 out of 10 (graphics, sound gameplay etc.), but after that the OVERALL score would be a solid 11

Sres · July 2004

I'm a fanboy I'll admit it, I also understand about CRS's 'soon' messages and how their proposed development stuff has slipped and/or not been seen ever.

However, recent patches, pretty much since Grenadiers got added have been on time and although we had trouble with the first patch of the trees, subsequent patches have been fluid and my fps gained instead of dropping.

So far this year we have had roughly 6 patches, compare that to other mmog games and you'll see they patch as often if not faster and none of this expansion bobbins that you get with other games.

You have to take what we fanboys say with a pinch of salt and the same goes with Beatb0x and his thoughts on the game.

The only true way you can make your mind up is to try the game. I went off reviews of SWG and frankly that was the biggest waste of money I've ever spent

- Nil Satis Nisi Optimum -

Lt Col Sres - La Garde Imp

Strider1233 · July 2004

Beatbox.... the red screen is good in some cases, for example, i was driving a truck the other day and i got shot onece but i wasnt dead, my screen went red so i couldnt see, making me drive off the road and crash. NOW if they didnt have the red screen what would i have done? Driven calmly off the side of the road and into the bushes to hide. Now if you get shot i can almost guarantee that you arent going to calmly drive off the road. Yes for infintry red screen does suck, they should change it so you fall down and have nearly no stamina if you get shot, so you couldnt aim all that well.

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