Did you even bother reading the whole article? Hes explaining to said person that they use the N word down there, that simple. Dont act like you dont know this, in the south the N word is rampant, so get out off your high horse there.
Hes explaining this because the woman his son is with will obviously take offense to it, and hes saying him and everybody around him are not going to change their attitudes, the way they speak, and everything theyve grown up around and been around for 40+ years because of her. Hes not sitting there calling her a n****r, shes nothing but an object of reference in this conversation.
But then again, if this was a tape of a couple black guys calling Dog a cracker time and time again, you would never hear about it. Thats the irony here, not this little enquirer blurb.
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Riki is half-asleep. I'll make my edits when I read over it some time of the day. I really don't understand much neither about the "nigga" thing, but I learn I learn. ZzZzZzZ
nigga is a derivative of the word ni**er they mean the same exact thing exept that some people got lazy along the way and thought it would be cool to substitue er with a thats all there is to it. The history of the words is exactly the same. You seriously cant stand sit there trying to tell me that nigga and ni**er are two different words.
No comment about dog though....
When slang comes into the situation it can mean something different.
No, its not different. Its spelled and sounds different, thats it. The meaning is the same whether whoever is using the word knows it or not. If these people dont want white people calling them the name, and want the word "erased" from history so to say, then they sure as fuck arent doing their part in that by calling each other the damn N word. Thats like being a member of the NRA but hating guns and everything about them, get a clue.
This is 2007, its time to get over this shit. People are going to call people nigga, nigger, and whatever else. Its been around for what...200...300 years? And its showing no sign of going away. I dont personally call people this, but it dosent offend me because im not black, and I personally think black people being offended by it is bullshit...because generally they call each other that.
Racial slurs are going to be around forever. Its not just the N word, its not just black people that are the target behind racial slurs, italian americans, hispanics, asians, everything. So until somebody finds a way to clear everybodys mind in the world of this without being a supreme dictator commiting genocide, then its just something people are going to have to deal with and get over it.
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To those who believe this little conversation completely nullifies any good thing this man has done, I will remind you that he put his own freedom on the line to go into Mexico and bring a multiple rapist back to justice. Also a man who, rather than being a complete prick to the scum he detains and brings back in (which he easily could), he generally attempts to offer them some slice of redemption or offer of a better way.
And I'll also remind everyone that this conversation was spoken in confidence, and to hell with anyone who says that everything they say to close friends and family is 100% PC and virtuous and kind, because you're lying.
Did you even bother reading the whole article? Hes explaining to said person that they use the N word down there, that simple. Dont act like you dont know this, in the south the N word is rampant, so get out off your high horse there. Hes explaining this because the woman his son is with will obviously take offense to it, and hes saying him and everybody around him are not going to change their attitudes, the way they speak, and everything theyve grown up around and been around for 40+ years because of her. Hes not sitting there calling her a n****r, shes nothing but an object of reference in this conversation. But then again, if this was a tape of a couple black guys calling Dog a cracker time and time again, you would never hear about it. Thats the irony here, not this little enquirer blurb.
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To those who believe this little conversation completely nullifies any good thing this man has done, I will remind you that he put his own freedom on the line to go into Mexico and bring a multiple rapist back to justice. Also a man who, rather than being a complete prick to the scum he detains and brings back in (which he easily could), he generally attempts to offer them some slice of redemption or offer of a better way.
And I'll also remind everyone that this conversation was spoken in confidence, and to hell with anyone who says that everything they say to close friends and family is 100% PC and virtuous and kind, because you're lying.
Spathotan and Sawtooth have pretty much nailed it between their two post.
I can't believe people are defending dog. Just take a look at what he is doing, he's firing his son just because he refuses to not use racial slurs.
After reading and understanding the transcript, I do not consider dog a racist, but I do now consider him an ignorant, lazy ass. In a way, what he is refusing to do is like a pothead refusing to quit smoking joints.
It bothers me just as much as it does you guys when black people can be as racist as they want but when a white person accidentally slips something they're attacked and blown out of proportion. But in this case, civil rights defenders have a reason to be angry, because this was hardly "just a slip".
But then again, if this was a tape of a couple black guys calling Dog a cracker time and time again, you would never hear about it. Thats the irony here, not this little enquirer blurb.
How often do you hear a famous black person say they are going to fire their child because that person is dating a white girl/boy..
How often do you hear a famous black person call female basket ball players White trash or Cracker or Anything of the sort?
THe fact is that famous black people dont usually spout nonsense like this when someone is from another race unless its in character (movie, stand-up comedy), but never like this... Black folk are infamous for doing it to gay people but not people of another race...
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IN ANY CASE... The point of This was to show how ironic the whole thing is... But some of you are way too sentimental to see past the racial issue...
The irony is the same as me saying I'm never ever going to get run over by a train... at which time I get ran over by a train...
Get off the racial issue guys...
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I'm not going to take a chance ever in life losing everything I've worked for, for 30 years cause some f**king ni**er heard us say ni**er and turned this into the enquirer magazine.
The Audio gets recorded... and submitted to the Enquirer .... at which time he loses his job... CAN IT GET ANY MORE IRONIC?!?!
That's still not irony.
It's ironic that the very thing he's trying to keep from happening happens anyway. In trying to keep his show and stay out of the Enquirer magazine he sets that very scenario into motion. Irony.
I'm not going to take a chance ever in life losing everything I've worked for, for 30 years cause some f**king ni**er heard us say ni**er and turned this into the enquirer magazine.
The Audio gets recorded... and submitted to the Enquirer .... at which time he loses his job... CAN IT GET ANY MORE IRONIC?!?!
That's still not irony.
It's ironic that the very thing he's trying to keep from happening happens anyway. In trying to keep his show and stay out of the Enquirer magazine he sets that very scenario into motion. Irony.
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I just re-read Methane's original post. Look at the part he highlighted in orange. Dog isn't firing his son because his girlfriend is black, he's firing his son because the sons' girlfriend turned over an audiotape to the Enquirer. If my sons' girlfriend was turning over audiotapes of me to nationally read paparrazi mags, I'd tell him it was me or her also.
Edit: i'd also be filing charges against the Enquirer for publishing audiotapes of my conversations without my knowledge, as well as listening in on personal conversations, as Dog notes in the telephone convo above.
Originally posted by Korusus
It's ironic that the very thing he's trying to keep from happening happens anyway. In trying to keep his show and stay out of the Enquirer magazine he sets that very scenario into motion. Irony.
Not really. The impression that convo gives is that she already sent tapes to the Enquirer, and he was having a convo discussing his displeasure at her having done so.
Of course I get the irony, but you know as well as I that any conversation about this subject is going to turn exactly where we are now. What I am doing, and I expect to be lambasted and insulted for the very effort, is to hold back both preemptive and overreacting judgement calls until we know more.
Do you actually believe that the girlfriend being black is all that's going on here? Of course not, but Dog has in his anger assuredly snapped onto that one point in a highly offensive manner. All we have is a damn phone conversation and a tape given to a tabloid by an offended party.
Do not rush to judge this man so harshly until we know more.
I just re-read Methane's original post. Look at the part he highlighted in orange. Dog isn't firing his son because his girlfriend is black, he's firing his son because the sons' girlfriend turned over an audiotape to the Enquirer. If my sons' girlfriend was turning over audiotapes of me to nationally read paparrazi mags, I'd tell him it was me or her also. Edit: i'd also be filing charges against the Enquirer for publishing audiotapes of my conversations without my knowledge, as well as listening in on personal conversations, as Dog notes in the telephone convo above.
Originally posted by Korusus It's ironic that the very thing he's trying to keep from happening happens anyway. In trying to keep his show and stay out of the Enquirer magazine he sets that very scenario into motion. Irony.
Not really. The impression that convo gives is that she already sent tapes to the Enquirer, and he was having a convo discussing his displeasure at her having done so.
I see where some of you are getting confused now...
At the time of this recording nothing was submitted to the Enquirer..... Listen to the full audio... and my quote... also he says he's NEVER going to risk blah blah blah .. implies that nothing has been done and he wants to preempt the situation.
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I don't understand what the big deal is? He said the N word. Lets move along. There is NOTHING wrong with the word in and of itself, it's the racist ass bandit that is using the word that you should be worried about. Not the word, the word is neutral. Context! We don't care when Chris Rock says the n word! Why? Because we know his context.
He doesn't mean the N word in a racist sense, he just lets it slip. If you don't like Dog because he says the N word then don't watch his show, change the channel, nobody is forcing you to watch it. It seems to me that he doesn't want to put his entire business and career on the line for one slip of the tongue when his son's girlfriend is around. How does that make him racist? Is it if you say the N word now your a racist? I don't like his show or the N word, but I don't whine and cry about it. Grow some balls and learn to tolerate other people's moral, religious and family values.
Bottom line:Dog is at most being selfish for looking out for his own ass.
I don't understand what the big deal is? He said the N word. Lets move along. There is NOTHING wrong with the word in and of itself, it's the racist ass bandit that is using the word that you should be worried about. Not the word, the word is neutral. Context! We don't care when Chris Rock says the n word! Why? Because we know his context. He doesn't mean the N word in a racist sense, he just lets it slip. If you don't like Dog because he says the N word then don't watch his show, change the channel, nobody is forcing you to watch it. Grow some balls and learn to tolerate other people's moral, religious and family values.
No shit. Too bad you cant get individual post stickied.
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There is an entire channel dedicated to using the N word as much as possible. Its called BET. How retarded is it the people on that channel use the N word every day, but no one ever says a thing?
There is an entire channel dedicated to using the N word as much as possible. Its called BET. How retarded is it the people on that channel use the N word every day, but no one ever says a thing?
That's a good point. maybe some of us concerned citizens should start documenting how many times the word or its variant are used in every single show on BET for like a month. Then demand that either the shows with the biggest usage be cancelled, or if spread evenly enough, the entire channel should be shut down.
Alright I listened to the audio. It is funny that he thinks he is such a powerful guy walking around like chuck norris that he can't control his office enough and give the order that we will not use this word anymore if he knows it would be an issue. Whether his opinion of the word is racist or not - he should set down rules if he is the boss. He is known for turning in others that didn't follow societies rules, what makes him special. There aren't laws against racist terms because it's covered by free speech but he knows it's wrong deep down. Him and his wife always came off as white trash to me so I don't watch the show. I never have liked white folks who claim that they are part American Indian and put wolf pictures up on their wall yet have no idea of the culture. He was making a ridiculous request too - you don't get to chose who your children date and firing them because of it would get a normal employer sued. Maybe he can take this time off to use some moisturizer and wash his hair. : )
Oh and chris rock made some good points here and no one says a thing about him using the word, this double standard crap has to stop.
Thats what i dont get the double stanard black people can call themselves that all the time yet as soon as a white person say it, it makes national news. I like what Bill Cosby says how all they do when they use the word is set themselves back.
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Yes and no. Firstly, it's been explained repeatedly how it's ironic, secondly.. The man's name is DOG, not even in the ironic way of 'dawg', just plain 'dammit Jon Boy, get the dog and go inside'. No.. I'm not judging him based on his name.. I'm just saying it's a really stupid name..
Anyway.. Has Dog been an ambassador of tolerance and such before now? Nope. Is it cool that he caught that rapist? Yep. Does the use of a word call for complete and utter social jihad against him? It's a word. The only people who have a right to be angry here are the son and the girlfriend.. people need to mind their own business, the word isn't hurting you.
yea i dont care about the n-word cause the african americans use the c-word against the white people and i tell them to f off so w/e this isnt a big issue with me
There is an entire channel dedicated to using the N word as much as possible. Its called BET. How retarded is it the people on that channel use the N word every day, but no one ever says a thing?
WOW I call BULLSHIT. Now that's just ignorance right there. They don't use the N word every day on that channel. It's rarely/not even used. If it was it would be bleeped out. Your just putting that out because it's Black Entertainment Television. So I lay to rest that your opinion is highly false.
There is an entire channel dedicated to using the N word as much as possible. Its called BET. How retarded is it the people on that channel use the N word every day, but no one ever says a thing?
WOW I call BULLSHIT. Now that's just ignorance right there. They don't use the N word every day on that channel. It's rarely/not even used. If it was it would be bleeped out. Your just putting that out because it's Black Entertainment Television. So I lay to rest that your opinion is highly false.
So how well do you think a "WET" would fly? It would never get aired.
There is an entire channel dedicated to using the N word as much as possible. Its called BET. How retarded is it the people on that channel use the N word every day, but no one ever says a thing?
WOW I call BULLSHIT. Now that's just ignorance right there. They don't use the N word every day on that channel. It's rarely/not even used. If it was it would be bleeped out. Your just putting that out because it's Black Entertainment Television. So I lay to rest that your opinion is highly false.
So how well do you think a "WET" would fly? It would never get aired.
Indeed, modjoe. Yet one more example of the double standard.
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Did you even bother reading the whole article? Hes explaining to said person that they use the N word down there, that simple. Dont act like you dont know this, in the south the N word is rampant, so get out off your high horse there.
Hes explaining this because the woman his son is with will obviously take offense to it, and hes saying him and everybody around him are not going to change their attitudes, the way they speak, and everything theyve grown up around and been around for 40+ years because of her. Hes not sitting there calling her a n****r, shes nothing but an object of reference in this conversation.
But then again, if this was a tape of a couple black guys calling Dog a cracker time and time again, you would never hear about it. Thats the irony here, not this little enquirer blurb.
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No comment about dog though....
When slang comes into the situation it can mean something different.
No, its not different. Its spelled and sounds different, thats it. The meaning is the same whether whoever is using the word knows it or not. If these people dont want white people calling them the name, and want the word "erased" from history so to say, then they sure as fuck arent doing their part in that by calling each other the damn N word. Thats like being a member of the NRA but hating guns and everything about them, get a clue.
This is 2007, its time to get over this shit. People are going to call people nigga, nigger, and whatever else. Its been around for what...200...300 years? And its showing no sign of going away. I dont personally call people this, but it dosent offend me because im not black, and I personally think black people being offended by it is bullshit...because generally they call each other that.
Racial slurs are going to be around forever. Its not just the N word, its not just black people that are the target behind racial slurs, italian americans, hispanics, asians, everything. So until somebody finds a way to clear everybodys mind in the world of this without being a supreme dictator commiting genocide, then its just something people are going to have to deal with and get over it.
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I don't know now, because from what I hear it's different and slang can make a word different. So let me do some research and see whats up.
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To those who believe this little conversation completely nullifies any good thing this man has done, I will remind you that he put his own freedom on the line to go into Mexico and bring a multiple rapist back to justice. Also a man who, rather than being a complete prick to the scum he detains and brings back in (which he easily could), he generally attempts to offer them some slice of redemption or offer of a better way.
And I'll also remind everyone that this conversation was spoken in confidence, and to hell with anyone who says that everything they say to close friends and family is 100% PC and virtuous and kind, because you're lying.
Spathotan and Sawtooth have pretty much nailed it between their two post.
Humm, I'm starting to notice we are getting a bit off topic. We are going from Dog to the racial slur to the history of it and meaning.
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I can't believe people are defending dog. Just take a look at what he is doing, he's firing his son just because he refuses to not use racial slurs.
After reading and understanding the transcript, I do not consider dog a racist, but I do now consider him an ignorant, lazy ass. In a way, what he is refusing to do is like a pothead refusing to quit smoking joints.
It bothers me just as much as it does you guys when black people can be as racist as they want but when a white person accidentally slips something they're attacked and blown out of proportion. But in this case, civil rights defenders have a reason to be angry, because this was hardly "just a slip".
How often do you hear a famous black person say they are going to fire their child because that person is dating a white girl/boy..
How often do you hear a famous black person call female basket ball players White trash or Cracker or Anything of the sort?
THe fact is that famous black people dont usually spout nonsense like this when someone is from another race unless its in character (movie, stand-up comedy), but never like this... Black folk are infamous for doing it to gay people but not people of another race...
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IN ANY CASE... The point of This was to show how ironic the whole thing is... But some of you are way too sentimental to see past the racial issue...
The irony is the same as me saying I'm never ever going to get run over by a train... at which time I get ran over by a train...
Get off the racial issue guys...
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I just re-read Methane's original post. Look at the part he highlighted in orange. Dog isn't firing his son because his girlfriend is black, he's firing his son because the sons' girlfriend turned over an audiotape to the Enquirer. If my sons' girlfriend was turning over audiotapes of me to nationally read paparrazi mags, I'd tell him it was me or her also.
Edit: i'd also be filing charges against the Enquirer for publishing audiotapes of my conversations without my knowledge, as well as listening in on personal conversations, as Dog notes in the telephone convo above.
Not really. The impression that convo gives is that she already sent tapes to the Enquirer, and he was having a convo discussing his displeasure at her having done so.
Of course I get the irony, but you know as well as I that any conversation about this subject is going to turn exactly where we are now. What I am doing, and I expect to be lambasted and insulted for the very effort, is to hold back both preemptive and overreacting judgement calls until we know more.
Do you actually believe that the girlfriend being black is all that's going on here? Of course not, but Dog has in his anger assuredly snapped onto that one point in a highly offensive manner. All we have is a damn phone conversation and a tape given to a tabloid by an offended party.
Do not rush to judge this man so harshly until we know more.
Not really. The impression that convo gives is that she already sent tapes to the Enquirer, and he was having a convo discussing his displeasure at her having done so.
I see where some of you are getting confused now...
At the time of this recording nothing was submitted to the Enquirer..... Listen to the full audio... and my quote... also he says he's NEVER going to risk blah blah blah .. implies that nothing has been done and he wants to preempt the situation.
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I don't understand what the big deal is? He said the N word. Lets move along. There is NOTHING wrong with the word in and of itself, it's the racist ass bandit that is using the word that you should be worried about. Not the word, the word is neutral. Context! We don't care when Chris Rock says the n word! Why? Because we know his context.
He doesn't mean the N word in a racist sense, he just lets it slip. If you don't like Dog because he says the N word then don't watch his show, change the channel, nobody is forcing you to watch it. It seems to me that he doesn't want to put his entire business and career on the line for one slip of the tongue when his son's girlfriend is around. How does that make him racist? Is it if you say the N word now your a racist? I don't like his show or the N word, but I don't whine and cry about it. Grow some balls and learn to tolerate other people's moral, religious and family values.
Bottom line:Dog is at most being selfish for looking out for his own ass.
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No shit. Too bad you cant get individual post stickied.
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There is an entire channel dedicated to using the N word as much as possible. Its called BET. How retarded is it the people on that channel use the N word every day, but no one ever says a thing?
That's a good point. maybe some of us concerned citizens should start documenting how many times the word or its variant are used in every single show on BET for like a month. Then demand that either the shows with the biggest usage be cancelled, or if spread evenly enough, the entire channel should be shut down.
Alright I listened to the audio. It is funny that he thinks he is such a powerful guy walking around like chuck norris that he can't control his office enough and give the order that we will not use this word anymore if he knows it would be an issue. Whether his opinion of the word is racist or not - he should set down rules if he is the boss. He is known for turning in others that didn't follow societies rules, what makes him special. There aren't laws against racist terms because it's covered by free speech but he knows it's wrong deep down. Him and his wife always came off as white trash to me so I don't watch the show. I never have liked white folks who claim that they are part American Indian and put wolf pictures up on their wall yet have no idea of the culture. He was making a ridiculous request too - you don't get to chose who your children date and firing them because of it would get a normal employer sued. Maybe he can take this time off to use some moisturizer and wash his hair. : )
Oh and chris rock made some good points here and no one says a thing about him using the word, this double standard crap has to stop.
Thats what i dont get the double stanard black people can call themselves that all the time yet as soon as a white person say it, it makes national news. I like what Bill Cosby says how all they do when they use the word is set themselves back.
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How is it ironic? Was the Dog an ambassador of diversity and tolerance before this?
Yes and no. Firstly, it's been explained repeatedly how it's ironic, secondly.. The man's name is DOG, not even in the ironic way of 'dawg', just plain 'dammit Jon Boy, get the dog and go inside'. No.. I'm not judging him based on his name.. I'm just saying it's a really stupid name..
Anyway.. Has Dog been an ambassador of tolerance and such before now? Nope. Is it cool that he caught that rapist? Yep. Does the use of a word call for complete and utter social jihad against him? It's a word. The only people who have a right to be angry here are the son and the girlfriend.. people need to mind their own business, the word isn't hurting you.
yea i dont care about the n-word cause the african americans use the c-word against the white people and i tell them to f off so w/e this isnt a big issue with me
WOW I call BULLSHIT. Now that's just ignorance right there. They don't use the N word every day on that channel. It's rarely/not even used. If it was it would be bleeped out. Your just putting that out because it's Black Entertainment Television. So I lay to rest that your opinion is highly false.
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WOW I call BULLSHIT. Now that's just ignorance right there. They don't use the N word every day on that channel. It's rarely/not even used. If it was it would be bleeped out. Your just putting that out because it's Black Entertainment Television. So I lay to rest that your opinion is highly false.
So how well do you think a "WET" would fly? It would never get aired.
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WOW I call BULLSHIT. Now that's just ignorance right there. They don't use the N word every day on that channel. It's rarely/not even used. If it was it would be bleeped out. Your just putting that out because it's Black Entertainment Television. So I lay to rest that your opinion is highly false.
So how well do you think a "WET" would fly? It would never get aired.
Indeed, modjoe. Yet one more example of the double standard.
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