So.... No one else has performance issues with this game? I ran it on three different machines and it ran like shit on all of them. It was laggy and chuggy, damage took forever to update.... and all that is with graphics turned down to the point that the game looked about 5 years old. I have seen a thousand people post roughly the same opinion i have of the game... that it's a huge steaming pile, doomed to either go free to play or shut down entirely within the first year.
Why the game runs like crap is because of your connection type, it runs fairly smoothly for me, all i need to do when it goes crazy nuts on lag is to log out and log in again and i'm back playing smoother than ever. I'm sure your computer is awesome and all but you have to ask yourself the question "IS MY INTERNET CONNECTION AWESOME AS WELL?" Remember we're not playing crysis single player which doesn't need internet connectivity, we're playing a MMO with a bit of high end graphics and effects with a load of people bumping into each other.
Try playing it in the early mornings, it runs pretty well. I don't think tabula rasa would ever go free to play, unless all the players get to lvl 50 way to early and content becomes stagnant, i just dont see it happening.
Dont be a dick.Youre stuff is far from OLD as in old like what you have is better than the average player. But if you want to be an ass about it fine be an ass.
Find me some survey information about what the "average player's" hardware is and then get back to me. You might think I'm pushing the envelope over here, but sad fact of the matter is that upgrading your PC to keep up with the gaming world is a perpetual endeavor, and Tabula Rasa is doing my 2-year-old video card some major favors to run as well as it is.
Just admit you flew off the handle when you saw my Q6600. Sure, it's a sweet CPU, but it's actually cheap enough for most people to afford (<$300 US, not like certain $700+ US CPUs). However, the rest of my system is at least as old as my video card. I'm not being a dick nor an ass to point out your faulty reasoning.
Well i didnt fly off the handle at the sight of your cpu :P I just think that its not as bottom end as you think. Folk always like to state either ; 1) My comp is an AM INtel Quadraterta Plasma Uplink 9000 with 35 terrabytes of organic brain ram etc etc
or
2) My fairly decent comp that runs things well and is getting on a bit is rubbish because i want people to think im being modest and when in fact i know its a good comp thats better than a LOT of folks.
Really, its a better comp than a lot of people currently playing games ,just read forums and read and youll see what i mean. I know upgrading is ,as you say a perpetual endevour and i do it myself, tho this comps lasted ages compared to my others (3 years) . I was talking bout cost of comps just that your comp really isnt that bad spec wise and im not suprised it runs things well.
So.... No one else has performance issues with this game? I ran it on three different machines and it ran like shit on all of them. It was laggy and chuggy, damage took forever to update.... and all that is with graphics turned down to the point that the game looked about 5 years old. I have seen a thousand people post roughly the same opinion i have of the game... that it's a huge steaming pile, doomed to either go free to play or shut down entirely within the first year.
Why the game runs like crap is because of your connection type, it runs fairly smoothly for me, all i need to do when it goes crazy nuts on lag is to log out and log in again and I'm back playing smoother than ever. I'm sure your computer is awesome an all but you have to ask yourself the question "IS MY INTERNET CONNECTION AWESOME AS WELL?" Remeber we're not playing crysis single player which doesn't need internet connectivity, we're playing a MMO with a bit of high end graphics and effects with a load of people bumping into each other.
Try playing it in the early mornings, it runs pretty well. I don't think tabula rasa would ever go free to play, unless all the players get to lvl 50 way to early and content becomes stagnant, i just dont see it happening.
Swing and a miss.... I manage an wireless ISP and my home network connects directly behind the DS3 router. While I have myself limited to a reasonable amount of bandwidth, I still get 2 ms pings across the country. I believe have a substantially better connection than 99% of the people who will ever attempt to play this game. I have two different network engineer certifications and I have been been in the broadband ISP business for several years, working in other areas of data collection and transmission before that.
My computer is the 'problem', not my internet connection. I know my machine isn't currently top of the line, and I had the same performance issue with vanguard. The problem is that my machine will run other games just fine, I play everything from oblivion to battlefield 2142 to LOTRO and hellgate... all at high or max settings, and they all run fine for me.
Swing and a miss.... I manage an wireless ISP and my home network connects directly behind the DS3 router. While I have myself limited to a reasonable amount of bandwidth, I still get 2 ms pings across the country. I believe have a substantially better connection than 99% of the people who will ever attempt to play this game. I have two different network engineer certifications and I have been been in the broadband ISP business for several years, working in other areas of data collection and transmission before that. My computer is the 'problem', not my internet connection. I know my machine isn't currently top of the line, and I had the same performance issue with vanguard. The problem is that my machine will run other games just fine, I play everything from oblivion to battlefield 2142 to LOTRO and hellgate... all at high or max settings, and they all run fine for me.
Wow, lol. If you have to whip out your e-penis to respond to someone's comments try at least to make it sound real. 2ms across the country? Riiight. So, you're saying you bypass every router, jack right into the backbone, and arrive directly to a server? 2ms is faster than a LAN mind you. Any tech head who knows basics of networking knows that the internet has hops and every hop adds latency to a connection. 2 milisecond pings... OMG ROFL.
Also your machine having a P4 3.2GHz is about 3 years old. It is time to upgrade. Tabula Rasa uses multi-core environments to boost its performance. The tech team programming TR (during the beta) even went on to say that it is designed to play best on dual core or better machines. The engine was only recently scaled back to support single core CPUs better. Streaming SIMD (or pale imitations of multi-streaming CPUs) isn't real dual core and TR knows it. That is why it runs so crappy on your out of date box.
vista ultimate 32bit. TR runs an average 30-70 FPS with this old rig at max settings
only time the framerate goes down is when its a huge outpost battle with Massive 100+ avatars running around crazy blowing eachother up. and even then its still totally playable (cause im in the middle of it doing my part) hehe
that being said I do plan on buying the new GX2 dual 8800GT whenever it comes out just because I want silky smooth framerate at all times and i want to force more Antialiasing than the default 4x.
I am running XP pro, I have a p4 3.2, 2 gig of ram and geforce 7800 GS (256). I tried on three computers here, all with roughly the same specs and almost identical results. It was really choppy when i was moving, and damage on mobs was badly delayed. I can run oblivion on high, battlefield 2142, lord of the rings online and hellgate London at max settings. ... but this one runs like crap for me. I kept hoping it would get better as beta progressed, it wasn't even playable for me, so i just logged back in to beta after every update to see if it was any better... it never improved for me even a little bit.
I am running a P4 2.3 1.5 gig of ram and a geforce 7600 512 and it runs great for me. It may be your firewall settings, I had some issues with that in beta but got it worked out. Oh and BTW I do love this game.
Swing and a miss.... I manage an wireless ISP and my home network connects directly behind the DS3 router. While I have myself limited to a reasonable amount of bandwidth, I still get 2 ms pings across the country. I believe have a substantially better connection than 99% of the people who will ever attempt to play this game. I have two different network engineer certifications and I have been been in the broadband ISP business for several years, working in other areas of data collection and transmission before that. My computer is the 'problem', not my internet connection. I know my machine isn't currently top of the line, and I had the same performance issue with vanguard. The problem is that my machine will run other games just fine, I play everything from oblivion to battlefield 2142 to LOTRO and hellgate... all at high or max settings, and they all run fine for me.
Wow, lol. If you have to whip out your e-penis to respond to someone's comments try at least to make it sound real. 2ms across the country? Riiight. So, you're saying you bypass every router, jack right into the backbone, and arrive directly to a server? 2ms is faster than a LAN mind you. Any tech head who knows basics of networking knows that the internet has hops and every hop adds latency to a connection. 2 milisecond pings... OMG ROFL.
Also your machine having a P4 3.2GHz is about 3 years old. It is time to upgrade. Tabula Rasa uses multi-core environments to boost its performance. The tech team programming TR (during the beta) even went on to say that it is designed to play best on dual core or better machines. The engine was only recently scaled back to support single core CPUs better. Streaming SIMD (or pale imitations of multi-streaming CPUs) isn't real dual core and TR knows it. That is why it runs so crappy on your out of date box.
I did not say I bypass all routers. I mentioned connecting directly to the outgoing bandwidth, to point out that I am not running through the wireless network. I go through my home router and a cisco router before my traffic leaves the building, and running a trace route certainly shows other hops along the way. That doesn't change the fact that I do get pings as low as 2 ms to servers across the country. Some are higher, but to sites with a good connection they are usually all single digits. if you really think 2 ms is higher than a ping on your LAN, you should try pinging your home router some time. If the results are not all "<1ms", your network is a mess or your hardware has issues. If your internet connection is any good, try pinging some different servers. The results are going to vary wildly, but you should be able to find some that you can consistently see single digit pings to.
Anyway, I wasn't trying to win any argument. I would like to make the game run better for me, and I am fully aware that my hardware is the problem... not my connection. That was my point. It doesn't change the fact that the game runs like shit on the hardware I listed, and it is NOT the fault of the connection.
My out of date box, is still an above average machine... If you don't think that is the case, I bet you don't go in to a lot of people's houses and check their computers out. I sit in front of churning, chugging ,sputtering hunks of crap all day, mine seems more than adequate when I get home. I know it is pretty mediocre as gaming rig, but it runs every game I have ever asked it to just fine, with the exception of vanguard and of course TR.
For the record, I think my laptop trumps everyone in the "old" department:
Pentium M 1.5 Ghz
Nvidia 6800 128Mb
2 Gig RAM
And guess what....it runs just fine at normal. I even bumped some graphics a little bit. I don't know why TR runs way way worse on some major machines, but my aging laptop keeps chugging along. This is the first new game in months that I've been able to play due to my laptop's weaknesses. Just something to think about.
Oh, and I absolutely love TR. Its like it was designed exactly for me. Others don't agree (and use some colorful diction. Humans are losing the ability to respect opinions these days), but it won't stop me from having my fun.
Seeing as how the theoretical limit for latency is 1ms for 100km (round trip) I find it IMPOSSIBLE to believe that you are getting 2ms from your system to any server outside your home town.
Swing and a miss.... I manage an wireless ISP and my home network connects directly behind the DS3 router. While I have myself limited to a reasonable amount of bandwidth, I still get 2 ms pings across the country. I believe have a substantially better connection than 99% of the people who will ever attempt to play this game. I have two different network engineer certifications and I have been been in the broadband ISP business for several years, working in other areas of data collection and transmission before that. My computer is the 'problem', not my internet connection. I know my machine isn't currently top of the line, and I had the same performance issue with vanguard. The problem is that my machine will run other games just fine, I play everything from oblivion to battlefield 2142 to LOTRO and hellgate... all at high or max settings, and they all run fine for me.
Wow, lol. If you have to whip out your e-penis to respond to someone's comments try at least to make it sound real. 2ms across the country? Riiight. So, you're saying you bypass every router, jack right into the backbone, and arrive directly to a server? 2ms is faster than a LAN mind you. Any tech head who knows basics of networking knows that the internet has hops and every hop adds latency to a connection. 2 milisecond pings... OMG ROFL.
Also your machine having a P4 3.2GHz is about 3 years old. It is time to upgrade. Tabula Rasa uses multi-core environments to boost its performance. The tech team programming TR (during the beta) even went on to say that it is designed to play best on dual core or better machines. The engine was only recently scaled back to support single core CPUs better. Streaming SIMD (or pale imitations of multi-streaming CPUs) isn't real dual core and TR knows it. That is why it runs so crappy on your out of date box.
I did not say I bypass all routers. I mentioned connecting directly to the outgoing bandwidth, to point out that I am not running through the wireless network. I go through my home router and a cisco router before my traffic leaves the building, and running a trace route certainly shows other hops along the way. That doesn't change the fact that I do get pings as low as 2 ms to servers across the country. Some are higher, but to sites with a good connection they are usually all single digits. if you really think 2 ms is higher than a ping on your LAN, you should try pinging your home router some time. If the results are not all "<1ms", your network is a mess or your hardware has issues. If your internet connection is any good, try pinging some different servers. The results are going to vary wildly, but you should be able to find some that you can consistently see single digit pings to.
Anyway, I wasn't trying to win any argument. I would like to make the game run better for me, and I am fully aware that my hardware is the problem... not my connection. That was my point. It doesn't change the fact that the game runs like shit on the hardware I listed, and it is NOT the fault of the connection.
My out of date box, is still an above average machine... If you don't think that is the case, I bet you don't go in to a lot of people's houses and check their computers out. I sit in front of churning, chugging ,sputtering hunks of crap all day, mine seems more than adequate when I get home. I know it is pretty mediocre as gaming rig, but it runs every game I have ever asked it to just fine, with the exception of vanguard and of course TR.
I think you should double check your machine then. It can't run on high settings but mid performance wise I can run TR on my old 2.6ghz pentium 4 with an ati 9600pro card, and a gig of ram, and I don't get lag. I will admit though sometimes after playing a little bit the gunshots to damage ratio start to lag a bit. I'll hear two shots and only the second one will do damage. This also happens on my AMD 6000+ with 2 gigs of ram and an Nvidia 8800GTS which runs everything I've ever played so far on high settings no problem. I can't really explain that, it's just what happens.
That's it... you son of b*tches.... I'm going to have to buy TR now. How many US servers are there? Which should I play on? My rig is good to play, but my video card is crap. dualcore, 2gigram... nice(ish) box...Old ATI x1300. Yeah, crappy video card... I played in closed beta and again in open beta, never got past level 5. was too busy. got some more time now, def going to give TR a shot. anywho, it ran just fine on my system on "high" settings. I also have a decently fast net connection.
Heh, come aboard!
The video card may not do so well all in all, even a x1600 would be an improvement. The rest of your system is good to go. As far as servers there are 3 US servers, 2 located on the west coast and 1 located on the East coast. I went with what was closest to me to help alleviate any possible latency. Though I am not sure if it helped, that was my justification.
That's it... you son of b*tches.... I'm going to have to buy TR now. How many US servers are there? Which should I play on? My rig is good to play, but my video card is crap. dualcore, 2gigram... nice(ish) box...Old ATI x1300. Yeah, crappy video card... I played in closed beta and again in open beta, never got past level 5. was too busy. got some more time now, def going to give TR a shot. anywho, it ran just fine on my system on "high" settings. I also have a decently fast net connection.
Heh, come aboard!
The video card may not do so well all in all, even a x1600 would be an improvement. The rest of your system is good to go. As far as servers there are 3 US servers, 2 located on the west coast and 1 located on the East coast. I went with what was closest to me to help alleviate any possible latency. Though I am not sure if it helped, that was my justification.
aight, i'll prob pick the east coast US server then. maybe buy a new video card too. i just love spending money!
it ran OK in beta with what i've got, but with a new video card i'd rock it.
No doubt! I but the graphics up to Max and it really is quite nice with the shaders. Only wish I had a computer that was able to use TR's engine to its finest. If you hop on Pegasus, send Marek a tell if you need anything.
whoever claimed they are getting 2ms ping to servers needs a serious mental check....
i have a fiberoptic cable connection, and running a speed test from my home to the ISP central hub in NYC (which is only 36 miles from my house, and the fastest ping i have ever gotten is 8ms (that was at like 430am running a speed test on my connection).....
I am running XP pro, I have a p4 3.2, 2 gig of ram and geforce 7800 GS (256). I tried on three computers here, all with roughly the same specs and almost identical results. It was really choppy when i was moving, and damage on mobs was badly delayed. I can run oblivion on high, battlefield 2142, lord of the rings online and hellgate London at max settings. ... but this one runs like crap for me. I kept hoping it would get better as beta progressed, it wasn't even playable for me, so i just logged back in to beta after every update to see if it was any better... it never improved for me even a little bit.
You might need to do a little research into your hardware, check if your memory is still flawless, i had sort of similair problems last jan '07 most games run great or maxed but some games run terreble, i went back for a week into SWG and perfomrance sucked, i went with my system to a hardware store they checked every part of my system and conclusion was bad errors on my memory banks, changed and well gaming has become very smooth, and actualy with TR i never have or had any performance issue's, 4400+x2, 7950GT/512mb, near 4gb ram, WinXpPro, Xfi-Pro Elite, Crysis demo was the first game i couldn't play max settings, and with max i mean every on max, needed to tone down some things slightly, other games so far no problem. Really the only once i see having prformance issue must be hte once who seem to either not know what their system can handle or might have some thing that simply aint working properly, do you beta often ...if so then make sure to check your memory, cause beta tend to be heavy on the system with some games bringin all sorts of date in/out.
I am running XP pro, I have a p4 3.2, 2 gig of ram and geforce 7800 GS (256). I tried on three computers here, all with roughly the same specs and almost identical results. It was really choppy when i was moving, and damage on mobs was badly delayed. I can run oblivion on high, battlefield 2142, lord of the rings online and hellgate London at max settings. ... but this one runs like crap for me. I kept hoping it would get better as beta progressed, it wasn't even playable for me, so i just logged back in to beta after every update to see if it was any better... it never improved for me even a little bit.
You might need to do a little research into your hardware, check if your memory is still flawless, i had sort of similair problems last jan '07 most games run great or maxed but some games run terreble, i went back for a week into SWG and perfomrance sucked, i went with my system to a hardware store they checked every part of my system and conclusion was bad errors on my memory banks, changed and well gaming has become very smooth, and actualy with TR i never have or had any performance issue's, 4400+x2, 7950GT/512mb, near 4gb ram, WinXpPro, Xfi-Pro Elite, Crysis demo was the first game i couldn't play max settings, and with max i mean every on max, needed to tone down some things slightly, other games so far no problem. Really the only once i see having prformance issue must be hte once who seem to either not know what their system can handle or might have some thing that simply aint working properly, do you beta often ...if so then make sure to check your memory, cause beta tend to be heavy on the system with some games bringin all sorts of date in/out.
I'm pretty sure my ram is the weak link... I'm just not ready to upgrade it yet. I am in the same position as a lot of people, where any upgrade means I need to basically replace everything. I'd hate to waste my money by not upgrading to DDR2, which means a new motherboard, which means a new processor, which means a new video card since I am still AGP. I'm looking at doing all that after x-mas, but in the mean time, at least I can still play everything except TR.
So.... No one else has performance issues with this game? I ran it on three different machines and it ran like shit on all of them. It was laggy and chuggy, damage took forever to update.... and all that is with graphics turned down to the point that the game looked about 5 years old. I have seen a thousand people post roughly the same opinion i have of the game... that it's a huge steaming pile, doomed to either go free to play or shut down entirely within the first year.
You may want to check your machines as it's not the game that's the problem with the sub-par performance you claim to be getting.
I run the game on an Athlon XP 2800+ machine with an ATI X1650 512mg card, 2.256gigs RAM using Win XP Pro and my average FPS is 35-40fps. Although, when in a control point battle it may drop down to the 20's depending the number of players in the area. The graphic settings are set to High in the game and in Windows the master setting is set to High Quality. I'm also using the latest Omega ATI drivers.
I have to admit I didnt think this game you be much fun, but after giving it a shot I was acutally suprised. It didnt bring tears to my eyes, but it is definitley a pretty good game that will show alot of people a good time.
So.... No one else has performance issues with this game? I ran it on three different machines and it ran like shit on all of them. It was laggy and chuggy, damage took forever to update.... and all that is with graphics turned down to the point that the game looked about 5 years old. I have seen a thousand people post roughly the same opinion i have of the game... that it's a huge steaming pile, doomed to either go free to play or shut down entirely within the first year.
You may want to check your machines as it's not the game that's the problem with the sub-par performance you claim to be getting.
I run the game on an Athlon XP 2800+ machine with an ATI X1650 512mg card, 2.256gigs RAM using Win XP Pro and my average FPS is 35-40fps. Although, when in a control point battle it may drop down to the 20's depending the number of players in the area. The graphic settings are set to High in the game and in Windows the master setting is set to High Quality. I'm also using the latest Omega ATI drivers.
Fuhyo
god, don't you love the X1650 512? I swear, it has the power of some of the more expensive cards, and was really cheap. I play almost every game at max detail, and they run smooth as silk. Even games like STALKER purr along with all bells and whistles at high resolution. Damn good for a $120 card.
My machine is very similar to yours, except for the processor, mine is AMD64 3200, single core. I also had no problems with TR running smoothly.
But then, some of us keep a squeaky clean machine...minimal apps installed, bare minimum processes, etc. That makes a huge difference.
I did not say I bypass all routers. I mentioned connecting directly to the outgoing bandwidth, to point out that I am not running through the wireless network. I go through my home router and a cisco router before my traffic leaves the building, and running a trace route certainly shows other hops along the way. That doesn't change the fact that I do get pings as low as 2 ms to servers across the country. Some are higher, but to sites with a good connection they are usually all single digits. if you really think 2 ms is higher than a ping on your LAN, you should try pinging your home router some time. If the results are not all "<1ms", your network is a mess or your hardware has issues. If your internet connection is any good, try pinging some different servers. The results are going to vary wildly, but you should be able to find some that you can consistently see single digit pings to. Anyway, I wasn't trying to win any argument. I would like to make the game run better for me, and I am fully aware that my hardware is the problem... not my connection. That was my point. It doesn't change the fact that the game runs like shit on the hardware I listed, and it is NOT the fault of the connection. My out of date box, is still an above average machine... If you don't think that is the case, I bet you don't go in to a lot of people's houses and check their computers out. I sit in front of churning, chugging ,sputtering hunks of crap all day, mine seems more than adequate when I get home. I know it is pretty mediocre as gaming rig, but it runs every game I have ever asked it to just fine, with the exception of vanguard and of course TR.
You know, it is surprising what a nice little background survey will say about the gamers in America
Oh look out of 1 million gamers surveyed between May and August 2007 over 25% are running Dual Core, 2GB machines rated at 2.0GHz x2 = 4GHz performance, or better. Considering dual cores have not been economically friendly since this past summer (i.e. -$170) that is a huge integration rate.
Face it complaining that TR runs like crap on your out-of-date box, and it is out of date by TODAY's standards doesn't justify this statement:
"It was laggy and chuggy, damage took forever to update.... and all that is with graphics turned down to the point that the game looked about 5 years old.
I have seen a thousand people post roughly the same opinion i have of the game... that it's a huge steaming pile, doomed to either go free to play or shut down entirely within the first year. "
You did not stop to think that those who are posting the same opinion as you are just freeby whores who would rather just play free games all day long (as those who wrote those opinions you say have did so during the free beta) on the same horrible box as yours?I had a 3200+ Athlon 64 single core, 1GB of 333 RAM, and a x800GTO and the game ran fine on that with normal settings. I knew my box was out of date because I built the damn thing in October 2005. I got a good run out of it, and I knew its limitations. Yur box sir, has passed its life expectancy for games and deserves a nice funeral, or cremation whichever you prefer.
Oh, and I do know what people run I worked retail tech support for 7 years before I got out, and here is a little tidbit: customers are fracking morons, idiots, or retards who wouldn't know why their machine runs like crap if it were screaming in plain english at them. They figure that because they spend 1,100 dollars on a whole package that nets them a machine that will run faster and longer than their economy class POS in the driveway. Comparing yourself to that class of customer prooves that you know jack and s*** about computer hardware, and what it takes to maintain a competent gaming system.
Oh, and I ran that tracert to www.google.com. It was as I already knew I get 9ms to my cable modem and 17ms to the cable company 10 miles away. You sir are full of S*** trying to say you get 2ms across the country. As someone already said 1ms is the theoretical threshold for perfect conditions. There is no real-world way you get 2ms across the country. Those certifications you say you have. That just tells me you can read a book and regurgitate information on a piece of paper, and nothing of your actual skill. Your comment of '2ms across the country pings' betrayed that little piece of information to me. GG sir, now kindly STFD.
To the OP, I am sorry for hijacking your thread, but people that try to imitate intelligence just irritate me to the point of mass murder for the benefit of humankind. I promise that I will not do it again.
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great post, thanx for the insight
Sure thing, hopefully I get to add to it soon. Working too much and not playing enough
To the people that get high ping.
Ping (latency) is the time it takes for your computer and the game server to communicate with each other.
This has rarely anything to do with your hardware, but rather your internet connection and/or the game's routing/servers.
Lag is another matter though.
Why the game runs like crap is because of your connection type, it runs fairly smoothly for me, all i need to do when it goes crazy nuts on lag is to log out and log in again and i'm back playing smoother than ever. I'm sure your computer is awesome and all but you have to ask yourself the question "IS MY INTERNET CONNECTION AWESOME AS WELL?" Remember we're not playing crysis single player which doesn't need internet connectivity, we're playing a MMO with a bit of high end graphics and effects with a load of people bumping into each other.
Try playing it in the early mornings, it runs pretty well. I don't think tabula rasa would ever go free to play, unless all the players get to lvl 50 way to early and content becomes stagnant, i just dont see it happening.
This is not a game.
Find me some survey information about what the "average player's" hardware is and then get back to me. You might think I'm pushing the envelope over here, but sad fact of the matter is that upgrading your PC to keep up with the gaming world is a perpetual endeavor, and Tabula Rasa is doing my 2-year-old video card some major favors to run as well as it is.
Just admit you flew off the handle when you saw my Q6600. Sure, it's a sweet CPU, but it's actually cheap enough for most people to afford (<$300 US, not like certain $700+ US CPUs). However, the rest of my system is at least as old as my video card. I'm not being a dick nor an ass to point out your faulty reasoning.
Well i didnt fly off the handle at the sight of your cpu :P I just think that its not as bottom end as you think. Folk always like to state either ;
1) My comp is an AM INtel Quadraterta Plasma Uplink 9000 with 35 terrabytes of organic brain ram etc etc
or
2) My fairly decent comp that runs things well and is getting on a bit is rubbish because i want people to think im being modest and when in fact i know its a good comp thats better than a LOT of folks.
Really, its a better comp than a lot of people currently playing games ,just read forums and read and youll see what i mean. I know upgrading is ,as you say a perpetual endevour and i do it myself, tho this comps lasted ages compared to my others (3 years) . I was talking bout cost of comps just that your comp really isnt that bad spec wise and im not suprised it runs things well.
Why the game runs like crap is because of your connection type, it runs fairly smoothly for me, all i need to do when it goes crazy nuts on lag is to log out and log in again and I'm back playing smoother than ever. I'm sure your computer is awesome an all but you have to ask yourself the question "IS MY INTERNET CONNECTION AWESOME AS WELL?" Remeber we're not playing crysis single player which doesn't need internet connectivity, we're playing a MMO with a bit of high end graphics and effects with a load of people bumping into each other.
Try playing it in the early mornings, it runs pretty well. I don't think tabula rasa would ever go free to play, unless all the players get to lvl 50 way to early and content becomes stagnant, i just dont see it happening.
Swing and a miss.... I manage an wireless ISP and my home network connects directly behind the DS3 router. While I have myself limited to a reasonable amount of bandwidth, I still get 2 ms pings across the country. I believe have a substantially better connection than 99% of the people who will ever attempt to play this game. I have two different network engineer certifications and I have been been in the broadband ISP business for several years, working in other areas of data collection and transmission before that.
My computer is the 'problem', not my internet connection. I know my machine isn't currently top of the line, and I had the same performance issue with vanguard. The problem is that my machine will run other games just fine, I play everything from oblivion to battlefield 2142 to LOTRO and hellgate... all at high or max settings, and they all run fine for me.
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Wow, lol. If you have to whip out your e-penis to respond to someone's comments try at least to make it sound real. 2ms across the country? Riiight. So, you're saying you bypass every router, jack right into the backbone, and arrive directly to a server? 2ms is faster than a LAN mind you. Any tech head who knows basics of networking knows that the internet has hops and every hop adds latency to a connection. 2 milisecond pings... OMG ROFL.
Also your machine having a P4 3.2GHz is about 3 years old. It is time to upgrade. Tabula Rasa uses multi-core environments to boost its performance. The tech team programming TR (during the beta) even went on to say that it is designed to play best on dual core or better machines. The engine was only recently scaled back to support single core CPUs better. Streaming SIMD (or pale imitations of multi-streaming CPUs) isn't real dual core and TR knows it. That is why it runs so crappy on your out of date box.
man, where's the love in these forums. some respect would be good too
Great OP, thanks for the insight for all the people still on the fence about TR
I am enjoying TR and I am extremely picky. I havent played anything for almost a year and I love MMOs
I just only play stuff thats good and worth my time
I find myself playing this over Hellgate, and that says alot right there
Respect to all who deserve it
have a nice one all
oh and i personally think TR engine runs good. and i run vista
you can build a box for under $1000 that will run it on max settings. how is that crappy?
I think they did a great job all around and im sure it will only get better
my specs run it on max settings in vista
athlon 64 X2 3800 2.0ghz, 2 gigs ram, nforce4 socket 939 (old) 8800GTS 320mb
vista ultimate 32bit. TR runs an average 30-70 FPS with this old rig at max settings
only time the framerate goes down is when its a huge outpost battle with Massive 100+ avatars running around crazy blowing eachother up. and even then its still totally playable (cause im in the middle of it doing my part) hehe
that being said I do plan on buying the new GX2 dual 8800GT whenever it comes out just because I want silky smooth framerate at all times and i want to force more Antialiasing than the default 4x.
I am running a P4 2.3 1.5 gig of ram and a geforce 7600 512 and it runs great for me. It may be your firewall settings, I had some issues with that in beta but got it worked out. Oh and BTW I do love this game.
Wow, lol. If you have to whip out your e-penis to respond to someone's comments try at least to make it sound real. 2ms across the country? Riiight. So, you're saying you bypass every router, jack right into the backbone, and arrive directly to a server? 2ms is faster than a LAN mind you. Any tech head who knows basics of networking knows that the internet has hops and every hop adds latency to a connection. 2 milisecond pings... OMG ROFL.
Also your machine having a P4 3.2GHz is about 3 years old. It is time to upgrade. Tabula Rasa uses multi-core environments to boost its performance. The tech team programming TR (during the beta) even went on to say that it is designed to play best on dual core or better machines. The engine was only recently scaled back to support single core CPUs better. Streaming SIMD (or pale imitations of multi-streaming CPUs) isn't real dual core and TR knows it. That is why it runs so crappy on your out of date box.
I did not say I bypass all routers. I mentioned connecting directly to the outgoing bandwidth, to point out that I am not running through the wireless network. I go through my home router and a cisco router before my traffic leaves the building, and running a trace route certainly shows other hops along the way. That doesn't change the fact that I do get pings as low as 2 ms to servers across the country. Some are higher, but to sites with a good connection they are usually all single digits. if you really think 2 ms is higher than a ping on your LAN, you should try pinging your home router some time. If the results are not all "<1ms", your network is a mess or your hardware has issues. If your internet connection is any good, try pinging some different servers. The results are going to vary wildly, but you should be able to find some that you can consistently see single digit pings to.
Anyway, I wasn't trying to win any argument. I would like to make the game run better for me, and I am fully aware that my hardware is the problem... not my connection. That was my point. It doesn't change the fact that the game runs like shit on the hardware I listed, and it is NOT the fault of the connection.
My out of date box, is still an above average machine... If you don't think that is the case, I bet you don't go in to a lot of people's houses and check their computers out. I sit in front of churning, chugging ,sputtering hunks of crap all day, mine seems more than adequate when I get home. I know it is pretty mediocre as gaming rig, but it runs every game I have ever asked it to just fine, with the exception of vanguard and of course TR.
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For the record, I think my laptop trumps everyone in the "old" department:
Pentium M 1.5 Ghz
Nvidia 6800 128Mb
2 Gig RAM
And guess what....it runs just fine at normal. I even bumped some graphics a little bit. I don't know why TR runs way way worse on some major machines, but my aging laptop keeps chugging along. This is the first new game in months that I've been able to play due to my laptop's weaknesses. Just something to think about.
Oh, and I absolutely love TR. Its like it was designed exactly for me. Others don't agree (and use some colorful diction. Humans are losing the ability to respect opinions these days), but it won't stop me from having my fun.
Reor - Soldier, Pegasus server
That's it...
you son of b*tches....
I'm going to have to buy TR now.
How many US servers are there? Which should I play on?
My rig is good to play, but my video card is crap. dualcore, 2gigram... nice(ish) box...Old ATI x1300.
Yeah, crappy video card...
I played in closed beta and again in open beta, never got past level 5. was too busy. got some more time now, def going to give TR a shot.
anywho, it ran just fine on my system on "high" settings. I also have a decently fast net connection.
Seeing as how the theoretical limit for latency is 1ms for 100km (round trip) I find it IMPOSSIBLE to believe that you are getting 2ms from your system to any server outside your home town.
Wow, lol. If you have to whip out your e-penis to respond to someone's comments try at least to make it sound real. 2ms across the country? Riiight. So, you're saying you bypass every router, jack right into the backbone, and arrive directly to a server? 2ms is faster than a LAN mind you. Any tech head who knows basics of networking knows that the internet has hops and every hop adds latency to a connection. 2 milisecond pings... OMG ROFL.
Also your machine having a P4 3.2GHz is about 3 years old. It is time to upgrade. Tabula Rasa uses multi-core environments to boost its performance. The tech team programming TR (during the beta) even went on to say that it is designed to play best on dual core or better machines. The engine was only recently scaled back to support single core CPUs better. Streaming SIMD (or pale imitations of multi-streaming CPUs) isn't real dual core and TR knows it. That is why it runs so crappy on your out of date box.
I did not say I bypass all routers. I mentioned connecting directly to the outgoing bandwidth, to point out that I am not running through the wireless network. I go through my home router and a cisco router before my traffic leaves the building, and running a trace route certainly shows other hops along the way. That doesn't change the fact that I do get pings as low as 2 ms to servers across the country. Some are higher, but to sites with a good connection they are usually all single digits. if you really think 2 ms is higher than a ping on your LAN, you should try pinging your home router some time. If the results are not all "<1ms", your network is a mess or your hardware has issues. If your internet connection is any good, try pinging some different servers. The results are going to vary wildly, but you should be able to find some that you can consistently see single digit pings to.
Anyway, I wasn't trying to win any argument. I would like to make the game run better for me, and I am fully aware that my hardware is the problem... not my connection. That was my point. It doesn't change the fact that the game runs like shit on the hardware I listed, and it is NOT the fault of the connection.
My out of date box, is still an above average machine... If you don't think that is the case, I bet you don't go in to a lot of people's houses and check their computers out. I sit in front of churning, chugging ,sputtering hunks of crap all day, mine seems more than adequate when I get home. I know it is pretty mediocre as gaming rig, but it runs every game I have ever asked it to just fine, with the exception of vanguard and of course TR.
I think you should double check your machine then. It can't run on high settings but mid performance wise I can run TR on my old 2.6ghz pentium 4 with an ati 9600pro card, and a gig of ram, and I don't get lag. I will admit though sometimes after playing a little bit the gunshots to damage ratio start to lag a bit. I'll hear two shots and only the second one will do damage. This also happens on my AMD 6000+ with 2 gigs of ram and an Nvidia 8800GTS which runs everything I've ever played so far on high settings no problem. I can't really explain that, it's just what happens.
The video card may not do so well all in all, even a x1600 would be an improvement. The rest of your system is good to go. As far as servers there are 3 US servers, 2 located on the west coast and 1 located on the East coast. I went with what was closest to me to help alleviate any possible latency. Though I am not sure if it helped, that was my justification.
The video card may not do so well all in all, even a x1600 would be an improvement. The rest of your system is good to go. As far as servers there are 3 US servers, 2 located on the west coast and 1 located on the East coast. I went with what was closest to me to help alleviate any possible latency. Though I am not sure if it helped, that was my justification.
aight, i'll prob pick the east coast US server then. maybe buy a new video card too. i just love spending money!
it ran OK in beta with what i've got, but with a new video card i'd rock it.
No doubt! I but the graphics up to Max and it really is quite nice with the shaders. Only wish I had a computer that was able to use TR's engine to its finest. If you hop on Pegasus, send Marek a tell if you need anything.
i have a fiberoptic cable connection, and running a speed test from my home to the ISP central hub in NYC (which is only 36 miles from my house, and the fastest ping i have ever gotten is 8ms (that was at like 430am running a speed test on my connection).....
here it is during prime time
I'm pretty sure my ram is the weak link... I'm just not ready to upgrade it yet. I am in the same position as a lot of people, where any upgrade means I need to basically replace everything. I'd hate to waste my money by not upgrading to DDR2, which means a new motherboard, which means a new processor, which means a new video card since I am still AGP. I'm looking at doing all that after x-mas, but in the mean time, at least I can still play everything except TR.
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I run the game on an Athlon XP 2800+ machine with an ATI X1650 512mg card, 2.256gigs RAM using Win XP Pro and my average FPS is 35-40fps. Although, when in a control point battle it may drop down to the 20's depending the number of players in the area. The graphic settings are set to High in the game and in Windows the master setting is set to High Quality. I'm also using the latest Omega ATI drivers.
Fuhyo
I have to admit I didnt think this game you be much fun, but after giving it a shot I was acutally suprised. It didnt bring tears to my eyes, but it is definitley a pretty good game that will show alot of people a good time.
I run the game on an Athlon XP 2800+ machine with an ATI X1650 512mg card, 2.256gigs RAM using Win XP Pro and my average FPS is 35-40fps. Although, when in a control point battle it may drop down to the 20's depending the number of players in the area. The graphic settings are set to High in the game and in Windows the master setting is set to High Quality. I'm also using the latest Omega ATI drivers.
Fuhyo
god, don't you love the X1650 512? I swear, it has the power of some of the more expensive cards, and was really cheap. I play almost every game at max detail, and they run smooth as silk. Even games like STALKER purr along with all bells and whistles at high resolution. Damn good for a $120 card.My machine is very similar to yours, except for the processor, mine is AMD64 3200, single core. I also had no problems with TR running smoothly.
But then, some of us keep a squeaky clean machine...minimal apps installed, bare minimum processes, etc. That makes a huge difference.
You know, it is surprising what a nice little background survey will say about the gamers in America
http://www.steampowered.com/status/survey.html
Oh look out of 1 million gamers surveyed between May and August 2007 over 25% are running Dual Core, 2GB machines rated at 2.0GHz x2 = 4GHz performance, or better. Considering dual cores have not been economically friendly since this past summer (i.e. -$170) that is a huge integration rate.
Face it complaining that TR runs like crap on your out-of-date box, and it is out of date by TODAY's standards doesn't justify this statement:
"It was laggy and chuggy, damage took forever to update.... and all that is with graphics turned down to the point that the game looked about 5 years old.
I have seen a thousand people post roughly the same opinion i have of the game... that it's a huge steaming pile, doomed to either go free to play or shut down entirely within the first year. "
You did not stop to think that those who are posting the same opinion as you are just freeby whores who would rather just play free games all day long (as those who wrote those opinions you say have did so during the free beta) on the same horrible box as yours?I had a 3200+ Athlon 64 single core, 1GB of 333 RAM, and a x800GTO and the game ran fine on that with normal settings. I knew my box was out of date because I built the damn thing in October 2005. I got a good run out of it, and I knew its limitations. Yur box sir, has passed its life expectancy for games and deserves a nice funeral, or cremation whichever you prefer.
Oh, and I do know what people run I worked retail tech support for 7 years before I got out, and here is a little tidbit: customers are fracking morons, idiots, or retards who wouldn't know why their machine runs like crap if it were screaming in plain english at them. They figure that because they spend 1,100 dollars on a whole package that nets them a machine that will run faster and longer than their economy class POS in the driveway. Comparing yourself to that class of customer prooves that you know jack and s*** about computer hardware, and what it takes to maintain a competent gaming system.
Oh, and I ran that tracert to www.google.com. It was as I already knew I get 9ms to my cable modem and 17ms to the cable company 10 miles away. You sir are full of S*** trying to say you get 2ms across the country. As someone already said 1ms is the theoretical threshold for perfect conditions. There is no real-world way you get 2ms across the country. Those certifications you say you have. That just tells me you can read a book and regurgitate information on a piece of paper, and nothing of your actual skill. Your comment of '2ms across the country pings' betrayed that little piece of information to me. GG sir, now kindly STFD.
To the OP, I am sorry for hijacking your thread, but people that try to imitate intelligence just irritate me to the point of mass murder for the benefit of humankind. I promise that I will not do it again.
Unless you are pinging really high that wont be causing any lag.
I am playing from Australia to a U.S West Coast server. My regular ping is around 300 to 400. Lag Free.
I am running on around normal settings to get higher FPS.
Heres a tip - turn off deferred lighting - you should see a 20FPS boost.
On a Core 2 Duo E6600, 2G DDR2, 256M 7900GT, Win XP Pro SP2 - I am getting 60+ FPS when its crowded.