Asherons call worth getting back?

bballermc333 · June 2004

I have a question about AC, i unsubscribed around winter and i was wondering what new armor/weapons/creatures/spells have come out ?

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bballermc333 · June 2004

Any info would be great! ::::22::

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bballermc333 · June 2004

well thanks for awnsering my qeustion... ::::16::

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Elapsed · June 2004

Well just a couple days ago Turbine started a new server, Verdantine. Most recently in "spells" they added the ability to buff all of you armor just by clicking yourself. So if you select yourself and cast impen on yourself, it will buff all of your equipped armor. No more time spent buffing individual pieces of armor! Other than that as you should know the best source for patch information is http://www.thejackcat.com/AC/ or http://ac.warcry.com/

Danik · July 2004

I liekd it for 4 years, I left for about 2 months and decided that i wanted to get back in so. I"m gonna probably be joning back up soon. Most likely Solclaim where I was already high lvl

Ac1- Danik 126
Abyss 90
Monarchy- Chruch of Sorrow
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el_Slacko · July 2004

If you liked it alot before, than I would. They have alot of nice quests with GOOD rewards coming in recently. Just did the Lugian Horned Helm, thing has 2 mod spells and 2 level 7s on it, tho u need a steep base stam to use. Lots of items like that coming in recently, makes questing worthwhile.

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OmegaLet · July 2004

I'm goin back today, its been the only game that has kept me wanting to play! the other games I've played I kept playing because my friends played em and they just said "well if you get to lvl 40 then the game is kickass!!" (i don't think a game should be fun JUST for a certain lvl...) AC is just plain fun.

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el_Slacko · July 2004

Ya, you can have fun at any level in AC. Most big quests have multiple level reqs such as 20-40, 60-80, 100+ etc to make it easier for lower levels to complete. Although there arent a whole lot of low levels, most being over 50, there is an extensive buff bot and trade bot system, some of which are free if you are in a good monarchy. (props to Clan Z on FF!)

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OmegaLet · July 2004

ya, the game used to be challenging just to get to lvl 30! (at least for me) I was hunting at the mossie fort near heb with my friend all the time, running back and forth to sell my loot i got that was fun back then because If you saw a lvl 20 guy you'd go "whoa man your high! wanna help me?" haha ...I remember playin i was around lvl 20 or so in qual (back when the city wasn't deserted) and my friend had just found the lugians near there and then I met his patron (who was lvl 40) and he seemed like a god to me! lol but ya now with the buffbots to get to lvl 50 doesn't take too long, unlike before it took months to get to lvl 40! which takes some of the fun outa the game, but i still enjoy it because its still changing each month with the updates and I also like the community of it, and guilds in AC are great too! I still think AC is the best game out there...

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Rask · July 2004

AC was my first MMO experience. Nothing compares to those early days of AC... the mystery of the Direlands, hunting at Fort Tethana, the new content every month, the multitude of interesting quests... and the tons of great people to play with. I get teary-eyed just thinking about it ::::16:: ::::01::

lessthanthre · July 2004

Originally posted by Rask

AC was my first MMO experience. Nothing compares to those early days of AC... the mystery of the Direlands, hunting at Fort Tethana, the new content every month, the multitude of interesting quests... and the tons of great people to play with. I get teary-eyed just thinking about it

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Mhorham · August 2004

Originally posted by Rask

AC was my first MMO experience. Nothing compares to those early days of AC... the mystery of the Direlands, hunting at Fort Tethana, the new content every month, the multitude of interesting quests... and the tons of great people to play with. I get teary-eyed just thinking about it

Once all the cheets became the norm the game just went to hell. The magic system was cracked and mages became way to accessable. The excitemnt I had back on Darktide in 1999 are what keep me looking for mmo worth playing today.

QuestMaster · August 2004

I feel the game is pretty much lost now as well as Turbine.....They bought back a lemon.

I played steady since Jan 00, I seen the good ol' days and lived through the changes of today. When it was under MS control the game started going down hill. They didn't stop then what Turbines trying to stop now, But at 4-5 years of age, The changes Turbine is doing and the choices they have made so far has shocked the playerbase...to a point that it's a daily occurance of good bye posts and complaints.....now the worlds are dang near empty....long time friends have all moved on and the game play of today is being based on the whinners off Turbines own board.

First off, The game started to rattle back when split pea came into the game and made being a mage as easy as 1,2,3......Then the problem of speed hacks....Then ACTools....Then Decal along with all the supporting plug ins.....Now!!! Not all plugins are bad, several of them are quite useful, like navi and even extended radar....After all the evolutions came, The whinners stepped in and Turbine started catering to them by making alot of quick fixes which started the trend of unbalance....Then came ElTank and the mass's of UMC.....Then came buff bots and then Trade Bots....then dead towns....then cracked portal .dats.....It was a race to beat the patch content and be the first one to tell maggie about it and win a lil fame for themselves.

What happen to players actually playing the game? I feel that part of the game started dieing when they introduced DM and Housing.....Took the life right out of towns.....This basically cause seperation of the players into small groups and towns died...giving the appearance the worlds are empty to any potential new player....

The first thing Turbine failed to do is create a clear CoC.....seems today.....If enuff ppl post a complaint on the boards or messege in game.....The problem player gets a ban for things that in 4+ years was not a wrong playstyle or a bannable offence....If they change the rules....They need a CoC to enforce them and not just on the boards....maybe 5% of players actually go to the boards...that leaves 95% out playing with out a clue whats going on.

It boils down to Turbine in thier rush to take control they forget 1 key element....the playerbase....Those players that already left....went because everything Turbine has done in past 6 months was a 180 turn around from what players were used to after 4+ years playing.....Yes alot of the changes were needed but not in a short time frame...thats a shock effect...with all the players bailing out.....and NO advertisement....and just recent was availability of AC.....Yuck File planet.....that means no real new playerbase replacing the population thats leaving......Heck the shock of the new server opening alone took out a high percentage of players from all servers.....only because it was a race to 126 and all open housing.....it took a whole 11 days for the first level 126.....I looked at tree stats today to discover in less than 2 months....there is a high number of 126+ and as high as 180....Thats sad!!!! so sad!!!!

Final thought is confidence of the last of the hold outs for the Expansion pack....players are in HIGH Hopes that it will revive the game...I was too but I don't believe Turbine can pull it off. I think they are just stalling for time until MEO or D&D projects are ready for release. They really can't do much with the graphics other than up the resolution....they sure can't change the Graphic Engine with out replacing everyones CD's....I remember the expectations of the last expansion.....Whoot what a let down....a lil Island that hardly anyone hunts....but housing and pincers and skill credit quest were all tied to it.....whoopty doo....If all the do is add another Island...the game will fail big time....players are screaming for content....and have high hopes pinned on it.....Maybe they will add a few new critters...a couple of quests....but I really don't think that will pull them out of the slump.

I agree that AC1 is one heck of a great game and had alot of potential...yes it lasted this long but so have alot of others....with a stronger playerbase....there are far too many games comming out that will be giving Turbine a run for thier money.....with up to date graphics, new content, more choices, and less politics in the game....Turbine can't compete with that.....They tried with AC2....that was a total failure....Oh not to forget to mention the overwhelming amount of players that like PK or PVP...some of the new games comming out will rake those players away from Turbine easy....

Well anyhow.....This is my thoughts on it...maybe a lil rambled at 3 am....and if this expansion does work out for them....I'll eat my words....but I honestly think its too late in the game to try to bring it back and build a playerbase of 2k per server again.....not with Turbines competition throwing out so awesome games to draw the players away.....It's like trying to convince players to stay with Quake 1 while Doom 3 is out and fresh....1995 technology can't compete with 05 technology...it's that simple.

Morrigan · August 2004

Quest I am going to agree with quite a bit of what you said, on the whole I don't think you are too far off (my opinion only). That beign said though, let me ask this.

What other games provide monthly updates? New content and quests and rewards on a month by month basis?

As for the CoC, yes they need it clearly marked on their official site, not some forum boards where players may not even be aware it exists, and have a very lose CoC (open to wide interpretation) on their official site. I am hoping with the upcoming revamp of Turbines AC site and forums on the 4th of August, that will change.

As for third party applications within the game, Turbine still announces that they cannot do anything about them. So, they are being vigilante in attempting to divert the UCM'ers. On the flip side of the coin. You will hear that there are good 3rd party applications. For example, buffing programs and the bots that do them. I remember a time (yes I played a mage) where every one and their brother would beg for buffs. So, if I buff them I limit my playing time trying to aid someone. (playing devils advocate here). So, a buff bot now removes me from being the "buffer" for everyone!

Also, they (Turbine) have implemented into the game some things that were created by plug ins. Most recent one that comes to mind is the /allegiance chat.

The ideal thing would be that Turbine would hopefully, by the time the expansion came out, have put in place as part of the game all the "good apps" and find a way to boot the "bad" ones.

As for graphics itself? If the great game play is not there, for me I don't care how pretty they are. I have left many games in as little as two months with gorgeous graphics but not the game play I have come to enjoy. Graphics wont keep me, but a great game will.

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QuestMaster · August 2004

I'm glad someone other than myself can see some of the things I pointed out. I wanted to reply to your question.

It's really not a matter of monthly updates, Yes they are great...alot of games do them...maybe not on a monthly basis but they still offer changes to the games.

I honestly think Turbine needs get back to the Core of what made AC popular, That being Content, Adventuring, Socializing, Exploring.....The AC of today is more geared for the abusers....The quest to become Maxed Stats....basically a leveling game....

I really don't see the excitment of being level 250+ with every possible skill maxed....It would only be useful if all they did was plan on PKing....and how fun would that be if everyone is maxed stats? The ones that stand in the MP today with level 250+ kicking everyones butt....must really feel good about themselves to be in god mode...

Turbine really has blinders on when it comes to listening to it's playerbase....They seem to cater to the lesser majority and chase away the core of the playerbase.....right now, at best we are talking about 700 players logged in on each server....thats about Avg....But you can take away about 1/4 and credit them to Macros and Botts.....Then you have to take into account the large amount of players that have 5-10 acct's each......what's left is players like me....wondering WTH and were did everyone go......But Turbine sit's back and counts all these as paying acct's and not the real population of the servers....

When I log on......I can always count on seeing players at the following places, Caulcano, Wasp dung, Holding, Marketplace, and AB lifestone.......Whoot..Macro's + Power Levelers + and PK Lite...the rest of the world seems dead....I may run across a straggler here or there but for the most part....The game has turned robotic or Power levelers.....

What happen to all the adventure and quest seeking players? or even the socializers........They seem to come out on patch day to raid the new items in the first 2 days.....then BOOM....It dies off again....

I'm not saying the game is what I call bad....It's just going a bad way now.....alot of that has to do with the players themselves and Turbine refusing to take a stance.

If turbine would of actually capped the levels at 126 with 0 experience gain past that...you wouldn't see all this racing to hit maxed stats, you wouldn't see all these XP macros, you wouldn't see all the XP chains.....The game should end at 126....that was the intended level since day 1....if they only would of addressed this one issue instead of letting it get out of hand.....the game probably would still be going strong.....

There is no balance....It's all level 126+ with uber tinked weapons and armor, flooded majors, How is this attractive to a potential new player? You rarely see a new player and if you do, he either doesn't stay long, or is swept into the leveling fast click.....missing all the content between level 1 and 126....Thier only goals are to get caught up with the other players.

There needs to be a balance....This means kind of like the miltary....for as many leaving there should be just as many joining....and this isn't happening with AC.....0 new and Server full of 126+'s.....with a couple in between pushing for 126+.

What's sad is Turbine fails to react to problems fast enuff......and then thier fixes usally effect the entire playerbase rather than the abusers.

Ebay housing = 30 day purchase rule.

Money Macros = No more selling Trade items.

Many Many more.

I really don't understand Turbines logic to combat problems by punishing the entire playerbase....If a player finds a way to cheat the system....then why target everyone for punishment? I've always played with in the CoC and every time there is a change that effects my fun because someone else abused it....It really ticks me off.

Turbine just has to face some hard facts.....There is no way to go back to 1999 and have the same game....They missed that by selling out to MS....No matter what they do....They have a complete unbalance of the game because everything ran the way it did for soooooo long....5 years later it's kind of late to say STOP!!!! without driving away the playerbase or wiping the servers. This expansion might draw in some players but when they get here and see the state of the game.....They'll go quickly too.....alot of the playerbase of today is unfriendly to new players.....sending them to maggies to get help or off to a buff bot....

I recently tried the AC2 2 week free thing.....as a new player.....I was unimportant to the very few players that game has....because they are all high level and nobody wanted to be bothered with a new player.....I lasted 3 days, level 14 and totally confused.

So if AC is in need of a facelift......some of the playerbase could use it also.

leknih · August 2004

I just started up on Verdantine as a complete newbie, and I'm having a blast.

bballermc333 · October 2004

in my opinion the way the game is now the only server you can have fun on is darktide, if they were to totaly wash out all servers and not allow buffbots i bet it would be alot more fun, i mean i started back up and played darktide for 3 days, just one weekend and i hit level 65, after that i just pvped for ever and looked for shards at qbar for ever so now im level 70, but for anyone thats newb out there, if ur gonna play darktide, be a mage or archer, melees cant do shit till level 120+ even then there not great, my level 30 archer hits mages for 80+ with hollow, at level 70 i should hit for like 120-140+, i have killed like 10 level 80 mages, thats kinda sad imo. haha

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iamsomeguy · October 2004

Hmmm

I'm back playing AC

The question is why?

I've taken the run through Shadowbane, CoH, Anarchy OnLine, DAoC, Toon Town, Horizons, even Ryzom (recently).

But I and my wife are playing AC

I'm playing AC because she is

The question is why?

graphics are dated (shows the game's age)

the fact that you only have weapon and shield sucks

But, we're back and the interesting question would be why

Well, for one, HZ had no loot

that sucked

home ownership in SB and HZ sucked

PvP in SB sucked unless you decied to play the class of the week, DESPITE The comments of others as to how much it rocks as a pvp game.

combat is fast, unlike HZ; SB had it down on that, as does CoH

having a house to store stuff is a great plus

having the ability to dress your toon in a variety of armor is great > the x armor looks like y just bites

I think that's why we're back.

and the folks I talk to that have come back or still play sum it up pretty similiarly:

quests are good

looting is good

combat is fast

those that say that the macros have ruined the game; well, I don't think so. In some cases is fixes holes in the game.

you want to see core elements that make a good MMORPG then take a look at toon town. Those guys know the basic MMORPG rules.

bballermc333 · October 2004

great points but

there is something i have never seen

my friend used to play the game before i even heard of it, like way way back, right when it came out, when he was a level 32 ua/life spec who pwned all, he was on LC and pvp was his game, no joke, hed hit up sanct and own everyone, but that was when maby 50 people tops on the server could get there, see when i got the game was when plvling was at a low, no bots, macroings been around from when the game started pretty much, but it wasnt much use till higher levels so 1-30 took forever....i had a level 12 mage on DT, i mean this was way back, with the old acad, when u had acadamy fellows and all, there was a level 76 and 63 fighting, but the 76 was my ally, i helped kill the level 63 and accually got the kill, all the newbs swore to me and that was that, i stoped playing for like 1 year then got back in, then i made a mage on ff and got him to level 82 and a sword on ff to level 60, then haha stoped again for a year or so
then i started again
DT
3days
nonstop
and hit level 70
all i had to say was dt changed alot, to my favor
but i stoped playing again now, i currently play DAoC, but nothing tops AC ive tryed like 6 other mmorpgs and i keep coming back to AC, one the expansion come out for AC ill go back, only cause the new PVP server will be nice, if i spend 3 days on it tho ill prolly get to like level 20, but still ill be a GOD!

so AC has had its ups and downs for me, but in my honest opinion, after spending 100s of dollars on mmorpgs to find a better game i cant, i just can not, i mean CoH, Second Life, SwG, DAoC, Them, AC2, EQ, and many more still cant even get close to AC, the game play is outstanding, unlike in EQ were u kill the same stuff till level 10-15, in AC u will kill different stuff all the time, also there is so much content, 1000s of different weapons 1000s of different armor, huge amount of land with easy travel, and with the graphics expantion and the new things, like rare item drops and augmenton gems i know this games gonna be a blast, but oh yea one more thing, for yall GSA/GSC/GSK darktide playters, u might wanna get a tinked suit fast! cause with expansion everythings gonna be dropable.!!!!SCARY!!!!! <might be the games only flaw?>

Asherons call gets a 5 out of 5 for me~ ::::28::

Guild wars..........

iamsomeguy · October 2004

funny

The way your post starts I thought you were going to disagree with me. Turns out, you're not; you're agreeing with me and adding another dimension to the "why" folks are coming back.

AC added what's called PK-Lite to the carebear servers. That's where you're PK with no negatives. You can go PKL instantly and fight a duel. I think it was a great idea and has a lot more folks willing to try it out; even those that hate open PK.

I am interested in seeing the new AC expansion but I'm not holding my breath. Yes, AC has the core elements that make it a game that has stood the test of time; so does EQ (even though I hate EQ a ton of folks don't). But AC still has it's weaknesses.

No crafting is one. I "hear" rumors that they'll add crafting; but we'll have to see. They did had a "tinkering" where you can buff up looted weapons, but that isn't crafting.

They do have housing but it's restrictive in where you can go and how many items you can place in the house. I'd rather see housing be open in some way, say, a merger between the way HQ and SB does it. Also, housing (internally) the way Toon Town does it. Where you can place objects where you want. I'd also love to see the ability to interact with the furniture. I've never played SWG but I hear you can sit down on chairs and couches and stuff there. I know that's a small, odd thing, but I think it would add a lot to wha tis supposed to be an RPG.

I'd also love to see the ability to affect the environment. I think Shadobane started with a good idea in their city building. But, they missed the mark. You *should* be able to drop an inn in the middile of nowhere and allow folks to use it. I tried that back when I played SB. Spent the effort to make a small town. It was discovered and beaten into dust by a couple of smacktards; and I say smactards, yes, as they were even in my own freaking guild.

Also, the biggest thing, IMO, is the uni-combat method. You have UA, single weapon and single weapon + shield. You don't have any variety. No dual wielding, no two handed weapons. That is DESPERATELY needed.

all in all, the game is surviving and folks are still playing it.

The funny thing is I hear the same thing said about games like HZ and SB; but the big difference is that AC is ~old~ and those two are ~new~

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