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Why all the hate for this game ?
zum99
Member Posts: 12
in Tabula Rasa
Well I have to say this is a great game atm I gave it 10/10 but pay to play it should not be atm but lets give it time.Tabula rasa has 0 lag 0 choppyness plays great looks great and is fun.This game will hold me over till warhammer comes out so if youre looking for a new game till warhammer this is it.In gen chat you get alot bashing form the WoW ppl that got the game but they quit kind of fast thank god and all i have to say is please stay with WoW we dont want flameing 12 years kill the game kty.
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Ive been hanging around this site for about 3 years now and i finally decided to register to talk about this game.
I bought the game this weekend out of boredom like i allways do.Let me tell you that i havnt had this much fun in a game since my first experiences in SWG and WoW.I think the game is great.Maybe its just because its something new other then thr typical hack and slash elf/orc fantasy game.But im having a ball in this game.
I own just about every MMO box money can buy in the U.S. and usually i only play a couple times and the game gets added to the colllection.But this game is just plain fun!!I would reccomend trying it dont listen to the haters you gotta see for yourself.Also the clan wars pvp is a blast it reminds me of the SWG PvP wich was allways my favorite PvP system.
Darkfall - Sick
Earthrise - Sick
The game is a blast I like the ppl in game I dont here <U T the SUX NOOB I r pawn you gg>i f you speak like this ppl will not group with or speak with you at all and black list fast so you leet speak kids stay away this game is for the adults kty.
I think the hate mostly comes from people that likes other similar games and thinks Tabula Rasa is a threat to that game and make people leave. But yeah, I agree it is strange because it only really directly competes with the really old Anarchy online, those who still play that game has to be die-hards and not likely to leave any time soon.
I think it will attract lots of players that has grown tired of fantasy games as well, but same thing there, it will hardly kill those games.
lol there is another recent thread titled 'Where are the haters?'
Funny how people see things differently.
The problem is, that you really don't see the problems with the game until later . I initially really enjoyed the game, but now you can really see its flaws. Yes, there isn't a lot of lag if you have a decent machine, but some zones are actually unplayable because of server side lag (MIRES). Bugs really begin to flourish later in the game as well. And its really, really short. I've been playing casually (I'm a college student) and I'm almost out of content after two weeks.
At first glance, its a wonderful game and a great idea, but they need to polish the game up, big time.
Can a couple of you guys who don't have performance issues with the game list your PC specs? It runs pretty bad on my machine, which is getting a little long in the tooth... I am going to replace this rig after xmas, and I want to be sure it will run good on the new box.
-----Zero Punctuation Eve Online Review-----
I am not sure if hate is the right word for me, but disgust is close enough to hate so I'll respond. Look to the man at the top and the ridiculousily self-righteous advertising compaign he has run for this game. It's not a novel game. It's got a progression or two maybe in a couple of nebulousily important aspects. It's laughable how those are termed 'revolutitionary.'
I wouldn't play it anyways as it isn't very much fun after a day of play. But I certainly won't pay for it and risk feeding his maniac ego.
AMD Athlon 64 x2 5200+
ATI Radeon x800 Pro PCI-E 256mb
2GB RAM (2x1gb DDR2)
Windows Vista Ultimate 64-bit
MSI Motherboard - don't rememer model off-hand.
(Yes, I know the video isn't newer, but plan to upgrade later).
With this setup, I run TR in 1680x1050 with most of the trimmings turned on.
What hate? There are always people who expect MMO's to launch with perfect, bug-free content all the way through the end-game from day 1, and those people will never be satisfied with any game they play. TR's launch has been smooth, the game is stable, it has a few bugs here and there but is absolutely nothing like the bug-ridden mess that HG:L is or Vanguard was on launch.
I think the majority of people who've tried it have been enjoying it, and that counts a lot more than the few who will grind straight through to the end game as quickly as possible, then complain when they find it has less polish than the lower-level content (which is where the majority of the players are). Developers don't design for the edge-case players, they design for the majority of their player base, and in that regard TR is in quite good shape.
TBH I wasn't even considering playing this game when it came out, I was all jacked up for HG:L. But after realizing what a massive steaming pile of crap that game is ATM, I just gave TR a shot out of the blue, and I've been pleasantly surprised.
I guess sometimes it just depends what your perspective is going into a game.
MMO history:
EQ1 - 65 DE Wizard
DAoC - 50 Dwarf Thane, 50 Dwarf Healer
EvE - Amarr, Caldari BShip Pilot
CoH - 40 Ice/Ice Blaster, 40 Dark/Regen Scrapper
WoW - 60 Undead Priest, 60 Tauren Warrior
LoTRO - 30 Hobbit Burglar
Currently Playing - Tabula Rasa
Is it just me.....or was the game MUCH more civilized in beta and Pre-Order even? I know there were some overly critical people but....generally speaking, if a "New Player" asked a question he got a straight answer maybe 90% of the time....and a few wise-ass responses once in a while were thrown in there.
MY GOD what in the HELL happened when Opening Day came???! All these WoW fanboys came in like a plague of locusts right out of the bible, a bunch of gibbering simian Demons from the 7th layer of Hell!!!....and ...man they have ruined every chat room there is. Theres almost no hiding from these opinionated, foul mouthed children and it's kinda bummin me out. I really (as was said earlier) have not liked and been enthralled by a game as much as this as I was when SWG first came out. We all know that game went South for a variety of reasons but ....I feel like people who care about Tabula Rasa need to band together and MAKE the devs either control these brats or toss their little asses right the hell back to World of WarKids and lock em out.
I don't have a solution and yes I am venting but I had to when I saw this thread...I just have never seen such an...ANGRY (and PRE LOADED ANGER) group. And I do not understand.
In all fairness I cant say its all kids....some of em are mature, polite and kewl. But this other group is a new phenomenon to me, Seems like they are trying to hurt the game intentionally....
Very strange....makes me look at Conan with its "M" rating and wonder...if that can be intitally enforced by sellers of the game, and I personally know for a fact from personal experience that Gamestop employees DO NOT let games go out the door with a kid, with an "M" rating. And they will talk parents out of buying it for the kid (which the parents do so often...*shakes head*...I wan't to slip em a 'Cheetah's Mens Lounge'card and tell em where the porno shop is when they do it) and then policed by devs as well as players. Maybe THAT game will be the answer....if Tabula Rasa's devs can't get a handle on these chat rooms.....but I look ahead and think this game is really going to be a special one. They have laid the foundation for successful years to come I think.
Great game...hope everyone has a good time..and may yer /ignore lists save you from the Godless Heathens!!!
{Mod edit}
Shamusx DragoVski
Founder - "Lost Sons of Feanor"
LOTRO
Which is funny because I experienced the exact opposite. I was completely psyched for TR with the collectors edition pre-ordered and everything. Then I got to play it and was completely let down by the sheer lack of depth to the game. I tried playing it as long as I could to give it a chance, but there was just nothing to it. Run, gun, repeat. Even the logos system, which could have been used to create something interesting and great, got tooled down to something lame. Hellgate london on the other hand, despite the bitching, is an awesome game, people just expected FAR too much from it because of the hype.
Bans a perma, but so are sigs in necro posts.
EAT ME MMORPG.com!
Intel Core Duo 4.0ghz (2.0ghz x2)
2 gb DDR2 ram
256mb ATI radeon x1300 (the only thing really holding me back, this card sucks)
6mb Comcast cable (get about 5k kpbs download and 1.5kbps upload according to SpeakEasy)
and I run Tabula Rasa on Normal video settings in 1440 x 900 (19" widescreen) with zero lag and performance issues
going to upgrade to Nvidia Geforce 8600 or 8800 in December, should push me up a tad
And you weeren't blown away on opening day when WoW let out and they all came screaming ont our chat boards??! I must have taken it hard....lol
ok I run totally maxxed out....
specs:
2 gigs DDR3 RAM
nVidia 8800 GTS superclocked 340megs RAM
300Gig WD HDD 16 megs cache at 7200 rpms
AMD XP 4000+ 939 pin(yuk)
Creative Labs EAX Live Sound.....then all the ususal disc drives...nothing else that fancy...hope it helps...whatever you do do NOT get a 939 pin AMD...I got tsalked into one and it has me having to replace my mobo which means I may have to adjust and invest in other things...I may go intel who knows....
Good Luck all.
Shamusx DragoVski
Founder - "Lost Sons of Feanor"
LOTRO
My plan is that motherboard, dual 8600s(512) AND 4 GIG of ram. I should be able to pull all that off for under 800.... less if i wait a little longer.
-----Zero Punctuation Eve Online Review-----
Having the basics is great, and I agree that not everything needs to be there at launch and things can be "filled in" as you suggested. However, there is the problem. There is currently not enough "grind" to keep behind the scheduled patches.
I've been playing for two weeks now, and after closing in on 40, I realized that there really won't be much to do for a while. There are very few high level zones, and the instances seem to be just scaled variations of the previous ones.
So the big problem with the game that you can accomplish all that it has to offer, with no time for them to "fill in" any content, without them just tacking it on to 50+ WoW-style.
The second big problem is, the first few major patches are simply just filling in the BASICS. Fixing bugged quests, skills, putting in the AH, working on instance stability, all those things that really should have already been there. There are huuuuuge problems with leveling in groups on pretty much every quest on Areki, preventing players from picking up certain mission items, while other members can pick up their items, as well as your own. Those morning when it was POSSIBLE to mission run in Mires, we normally had to restart every mission, or disband so my partner or I could simply pick up quest items.
There are a lot of annoying things that should have been ironed out in Beta, but instead waited til after release to work out the kinks instead of working on increasing/improving content.
The next big thing will be the surplus, which won't matter a bit if you're sitting at 50 with three characters that already have everything you could ever need.
Actually yes, I do expect a game to be finished when I buy it. If you put something on a shelf and ask 50 bucks, it sure as hell better be a finished product. You don't buy a game that has "I Owe You" Content.
I don't buy a DVD that cuts out halfway through and says, "We will hopefully release the ending content later." That's insane. TR has no content in the higher levels, yet still has the same price tag as the tons of other totally complete video games, such as on Xbox or something.
TR right now is a beta you pay for. The game isn't finished, yet they think they can charge us to play an incomplete product while they finish it. "Hey, the game's still buggy and incomplete, but why not get the cash rolling in while we finish working on it?"
It makes me sick.
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Actually yes, I do expect a game to be finished when I buy it. If you put something on a shelf and ask 50 bucks, it sure as hell better be a finished product. You don't buy a game that has "I Owe You" Content.
I don't buy a DVD that cuts out halfway through and says, "We will hopefully release the ending content later." That's insane. TR has no content in the higher levels, yet still has the same price tag as the tons of other totally complete video games, such as on Xbox or something.
TR right now is a beta you pay for. The game isn't finished, yet they think they can charge us to play an incomplete product while they finish it. "Hey, the game's still buggy and incomplete, but why not get the cash rolling in while we finish working on it?"
It makes me sick.
100% agreement.
Actually yes, I do expect a game to be finished when I buy it. If you put something on a shelf and ask 50 bucks, it sure as hell better be a finished product. You don't buy a game that has "I Owe You" Content.
I don't buy a DVD that cuts out halfway through and says, "We will hopefully release the ending content later." That's insane. TR has no content in the higher levels, yet still has the same price tag as the tons of other totally complete video games, such as on Xbox or something.
TR right now is a beta you pay for. The game isn't finished, yet they think they can charge us to play an incomplete product while they finish it. "Hey, the game's still buggy and incomplete, but why not get the cash rolling in while we finish working on it?"
It makes me sick.
I think there's two ways to look at the situation. You can look at is as paying $50 to get a good month's worth of entertainment. If the higher levels are too buggy for you to handle, there's nothing that says you have to pay past the free month. Game over end of story $50 well spent. Renew whenever. I can't think of many DVDs or console games I've wanted to play for a month+ straight....
OR you can expect a $50 game to be something you can "live" in for several years at release and before any updates. This seems a bit unreasonable to me. The games are big, hard to debug and optimize, with a lot of time/money constraints. I imagine pushing out the game is the only thing that allows funding for continued development in many cases. That's just the way it works. MMOs, almost by definition, are games that are being continually created and developed. They are never really "finished".
I hate to use this as an example, but a lot of people consider WoW to be the standard for a "polished" game at release. If you compare WoW's release to TR's, I think you'll find TR actually beats it in terms of polish in a lot of ways (and certainly stability).
I'm not saying TR isn't without its problems in the late game. They are there. Can they fix the problems before they start to bleed subscriptions is the question.
First, you are asking why so much hate. Not sure what the heck you mean, Because I've seen none. I guess you're expecting there to be a lot of hate? Odd, unless you have a reason for that. Secondly, you give the game a 10/10. OK, cool. Wait a sec, you just said the game isn't good enough to have a monthly fee. How the heck are you giving it a 10/10 if you don't even believe its good enough! Then you say give it time. WTF? Give it time for what you just rated it a 10/10. That means PERFECT.
Actually yes, I do expect a game to be finished when I buy it. If you put something on a shelf and ask 50 bucks, it sure as hell better be a finished product. You don't buy a game that has "I Owe You" Content.
I don't buy a DVD that cuts out halfway through and says, "We will hopefully release the ending content later." That's insane. TR has no content in the higher levels, yet still has the same price tag as the tons of other totally complete video games, such as on Xbox or something.
TR right now is a beta you pay for. The game isn't finished, yet they think they can charge us to play an incomplete product while they finish it. "Hey, the game's still buggy and incomplete, but why not get the cash rolling in while we finish working on it?"
It makes me sick.
100% agreement.
My point exactly. You must hate every MMO ever released, you've never played MMOs before, or you're just plain naive. I have yet to encounter a single MMO that had end-game content 100% complete the day of releaes. I'm not saying that's how it should be, but that's the reality of MMO development. You can either bitch pointlessly every time one comes out, or you can withhold your money.
Funny thing is, the ones bitching are the ones who are the first to pony up their cash and rush through everything to get to that end-game content they know probably won't be ready for them. Seriously, do you guys ever learn? I could go to every forum for every game on here right around launch time and fine the same tired bitching over and over again.
If you don't like how MMO's work, don't play them. Simple.
MMO history:
EQ1 - 65 DE Wizard
DAoC - 50 Dwarf Thane, 50 Dwarf Healer
EvE - Amarr, Caldari BShip Pilot
CoH - 40 Ice/Ice Blaster, 40 Dark/Regen Scrapper
WoW - 60 Undead Priest, 60 Tauren Warrior
LoTRO - 30 Hobbit Burglar
Currently Playing - Tabula Rasa
Actually yes, I do expect a game to be finished when I buy it. If you put something on a shelf and ask 50 bucks, it sure as hell better be a finished product. You don't buy a game that has "I Owe You" Content.
I don't buy a DVD that cuts out halfway through and says, "We will hopefully release the ending content later." That's insane. TR has no content in the higher levels, yet still has the same price tag as the tons of other totally complete video games, such as on Xbox or something.
TR right now is a beta you pay for. The game isn't finished, yet they think they can charge us to play an incomplete product while they finish it. "Hey, the game's still buggy and incomplete, but why not get the cash rolling in while we finish working on it?"
It makes me sick.
100% agreement.
Ditto
I don't want to have general channel spammed by idiots, and I don't want to turn it off. I love the general chat in the games I play, the maturity is incomparable.
REALITY CHECK
well it is nice to see that someone feels the same way as I do concerning the rabble that have come in and taken over teh chat channels.
I have been using /ignore as a tool to get past a lot of the aggrevation...so I am hoping that between ignoring and then time will let them naturally disperse. So far I have only blown my stack once at one of them who was in the new player channel being a total wise ass....at that point I was taking MY TIME to answer questions from brand new players and for everyone he had a comment. I finally went off and said alot of things I could probably be reported for but for whatever reason he left.
Now I have no illusions....my getting mad was exactly the intended result of his badgering but...if lowering myself to pissing contests with these kids is what it takes to send them back to the barrens....so be it. I don't think it'll b necessary though.
As far as end game content. I have to ask this...and I don't have an opinion so much as I am curious....the game JUST came out...but OK, if you were in Pre-Order (I am DragoVski btw in game) with me(us) and then the bonus time and now the release time....aren't you taking the game a little fast? I guess I like to experiment and smell the roses....
I fully expect for MMO's to mature WHILE playing them so I never rush to the level cap.....it seems to invite boredom. I wish I had an answer to you brother...i truly do...but the companies that breathe down teh developers necks to put SOMETHING out at a certain point are to blame. And i for one am not ready to start a boycott movement, so...slow and steady seems to eb working.
I genuinely am sorry to see people not liking the game....cuz its gonna be a big one I think. but what do I know. I still think Shadowbane was so ahead of its time people passed it by. It had siege warfare and was PvP all the time anywhere, clan vs clan, man you NAME IT...city guard recruiting, crafting.....it kind of ruined other games for me as it was so incredibly full of GREAT ideas that I STILL am waiting for them to re-use and redo another game implementing them...i dunno...to each his own and all that....lol
Good Luck to ALL!!!
Shamusx DragoVski
Founder - "Lost Sons of Feanor"
LOTRO
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I'd just like to add, I am quite enjoying it. It's not my main online game, and I bought it out of curiosity, as I have drifted away from SWG (oh the stuff that will go when my house gets demolished) and it's in a similar vein. Nothing like the depth of SWG, but with a Planetside feel. Infact it is very simplisitic in comparison. Ok, theres the usual grinding, but name me a game that isn't grind-centric, and when it comes to grinding, there's one thing I do like; that's the mob's come to you. NPC chat is entertaining, the cloning system is novel but not that innovative. The voice system works better than others I have experienced, and it's active by default. I'm surprised the squds I've been in haven't pick it up, even when I use it.
And with the dollar as it is, quite cheap for us in the UK, and Europe.