Howdy, Stranger!
It looks like you're new here. If you want to get involved, click one of these buttons!
Quick Links
I find the PvP populace irritating now
Tonev
Member Posts: 462
For the last past 5 days when logging in "TR" I find myself having to shut off my general chat on both West coast servers as the PvP whining is almost unbeareable. There was a argument going on for almost 4 hours yesterday with two PvP clans on Cass server whining about ganking at portals and killing lower players with higher level avatars.
Today I log in and there was a PvP clan leader whining in general that no one would PvP his clan because of the tactics used and they were all femal private parts because they wouldn't PvP him.
Although I am loving the game and finding that it is different than any other game out there, I am thinking the "Guild Wars" or even the "WOW" immatures are finding their way in the populace causing strife among players (I know it happens in almost every game).
This bothers me though (being a lover of PvE and PvP) that we would have sooooo many whining ass people playing PvP in this game shortly after release. Anyone else finding this a issue in the game lately?
Comments
LoL its funny when anything ever goes wrong with a game, people blame wow. Newsflash for you, people are whiners and bitchers in real life and it has nothing to do with what game they play, its called human personality and it infests all games.
I find myself always turning general chat off and using my combat window. Never in any game has the player base been so critical of the game in which they are currently playing.
T
I know it's funny when things go horribly wrong with games but being that I seen the same crap with a bigger crowd in WOW and GW (all other games are mediocre at best) that host PvP/RvR or AB dynamics it seems like the same people, saying the same things come from those games (Higher populace of people sometimes means more idiots).
I don't think everyone in the world is a whiner/bitcher only the new genre of PvPers (WOW, EQ2,Vanguard GW, SWG and now Tabula Rasa). Not once do I see the so called PvE "carebears" (A term WOW invented and is used by every PvPer in MMOs now) whining about how their quest bugged on them for hours on hours like I see PvPers now.
It's just irritating as hell to see the almighty, uber, non carebears whine so much and they are supposed to be the elite of elite crowds in a virtual world.
____________________
It`s alright
AC2,AO,D&L,Lotro,VsoH,SWG,Uo,HGL,Drunners,CoH,GW,Potbs,PWI
Eq2,Dofus,WoW,WWIIO,Ryzom,Planetside,EvE,TR,DDO,RFonline,FOM,VC,..etc blabla
also hobbies....staring at loadingbars
TBH going to TR and then whinging about PvP is so stupid. Its supposed to be a PvE game thru and thru. Mankind against the marauding hordes of aliens etc etc. RG didnt make it as a pvp game , thats just tagged on after to shut the pvp whingers up.
Let them gank each other at portals who cares, and putting general chat off is prrobably the best thing you can do with the chat system in TR btw. PvP really shouldnt be in the game at all. ANy fighting should be duels and clan wars should have repercussions like the AFS hunting you down like dogs..Mankinds on the brink and theyre fighting each other? Kinda goes againts the games lore etc dont it?
I agree with the Clan stuff to a degree, at least as it currently stands in relation to the game lore. I think they should've changed their "Clan" structure to reflect the military nature of the groups, perhaps using titles based on the number of people in the "guild:" "Squads," "Platoons," "Companies," et cetera. Then they should've done everything they could with all the lore, NPCs and terminology at their disposal to make the current "clan wars" into "war games." It's all semantics, really, but semantics affect perception. The group's leader could select a pair of words for their "Clan," which would then be automatically altered based on the number of members. If they chose "Black Wolf," they'd be "Black Wolf Company" with so many members, "Black Wolf Brigade" with so many more members, and so on. It'd keep that whole military feel.
I don't really mind if pvp is in the game. PvPers are part of the market, and their money helps keep many of the games I enjoy running. I may not enjoy pvp myself, but I'm not going to thumb my nose at any company that includes it. My only issue with PvPers is with the ones that can't seem to restrict their pvp to the games they play; they pvp in conversations (always trying to "win" discussions), they pvp on forums (I'm right, you're wrong!), and generally just try to "compete" their "opponents" into the ground at every turn. There's just nothing at all productive in that attitude. Fortunately, not all pvpers are like that. Unfortunately, pvpers aren't the only ones who behave that way; they're just the most numerous and vocal of those who do.
I know it's funny when things go horribly wrong with games but being that I seen the same crap with a bigger crowd in WOW and GW (all other games are mediocre at best) that host PvP/RvR or AB dynamics it seems like the same people, saying the same things come from those games (Higher populace of people sometimes means more idiots).
I don't think everyone in the world is a whiner/bitcher only the new genre of PvPers (WOW, EQ2,Vanguard GW, SWG and now Tabula Rasa). Not once do I see the so called PvE "carebears" (A term WOW invented and is used by every PvPer in MMOs now) whining about how their quest bugged on them for hours on hours like I see PvPers now.
It's just irritating as hell to see the almighty, uber, non carebears whine so much and they are supposed to be the elite of elite crowds in a virtual world.
You never spent much time in AC Darktide, pre-Trammel UO, or RZ/SZ in EQ. Or any of the "good ol' days" pvp servers, did you?
The only thing that the PvP crowd(generically speaking) is better at than being self-congratulatory shit-talkers, is crying like little bitches with skinned knees.
The amount of backpedaling, bullshitting, crying, and excuse making on the Sullon Zek forums was epic, and only matched by the amount of backpedaling, bullshitting, crying, and excuse making found in any given zones OOC. And it wasn't any different on any of the other games forums, official or otherwise. Even back in UO, the birthplace of the "hardcore pvper" in MMO's(it's not, KAAOS got their start in NWN on AOL, but that's a whole other story) there was a monumental amount of whining amongst the PvP crowd.
God forbid Darkfall ever actually releases. The level of crying, and whining will actually create a vortex that will destroy all life as we know it. Cause full loot, and all, is all well and fine while you're speaking strictly in the hypothetical, once Joe Imgonnaowneveryone gets smacked in the gob with a little reality, that whole design paradigm is going to start looking a little less rosy.
I really like what you had to say here.
The term Carebear was around long before WoW...I remember that from AC Darktide and even back in the days of UO...
i was 4 at that time, means i am no original
Carebear ..must be born 1337
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Care_Bears
Anyway, the clans can decide if they want to pvp
or not.
i would realy appreciate if they could cut out the smack talk when they get ganked
ownd pwnzered whatever ^^
its embraissing to see the though elite guys
____________________
It`s alright
AC2,AO,D&L,Lotro,VsoH,SWG,Uo,HGL,Drunners,CoH,GW,Potbs,PWI
Eq2,Dofus,WoW,WWIIO,Ryzom,Planetside,EvE,TR,DDO,RFonline,FOM,VC,..etc blabla
also hobbies....staring at loadingbars
The term Carebear was around long before WoW...I remember that from AC Darktide and even back in the days of UO...
I was being sarcastic eventhough WOW put it as a definition in their manuals with a descripto "why am I even explaining this?"
Great post, I'd give you stars if I could. Rare to see such a balanced thought on the boards.
A General chat channel for the *whole* server and active by default doesn't help much against the trashtalking. In the European server the main topics are WoW-sücks, PVPclan-looking-for-members and "is predatory bugged?". I wouldn't like my mother to read that chat...
You never spent much time in AC Darktide, pre-Trammel UO, or RZ/SZ in EQ. Or any of the "good ol' days" pvp servers, did you?
The only thing that the PvP crowd(generically speaking) is better at than being self-congratulatory shit-talkers, is crying like little bitches with skinned knees.
The amount of backpedaling, bullshitting, crying, and excuse making on the Sullon Zek forums was epic, and only matched by the amount of backpedaling, bullshitting, crying, and excuse making found in any given zones OOC. And it wasn't any different on any of the other games forums, official or otherwise. Even back in UO, the birthplace of the "hardcore pvper" in MMO's(it's not, KAAOS got their start in NWN on AOL, but that's a whole other story) there was a monumental amount of whining amongst the PvP crowd.
God forbid Darkfall ever actually releases. The level of crying, and whining will actually create a vortex that will destroy all life as we know it. Cause full loot, and all, is all well and fine while you're speaking strictly in the hypothetical, once Joe Imgonnaowneveryone gets smacked in the gob with a little reality, that whole design paradigm is going to start looking a little less rosy.
I'm a PvPer and I found your post derogatory, mean spirited,
and %100 gospel truth! They should have a system like in SWG where your clan can sign up for "special OPs". Meaning anyother clan signed for special ops is open to PvP from the others, maybe make seperate factions in special ops that are perhaps vying for control in the military? You fight other clans in opposing factions and gain benefits for PvP that don't cross over into PvE. Anyone who signs up and whines for being killed should have a GM place a female breast on their forehead for 24 hours.
There is word for the type of PvPer you're describing...wanker. Not all are like this but this type of player is attracted to PvP because of the belief they can finally abuse rather than be abused. Until they find out there are people who've had more practice than them, then they cry for their mummy and lash out at people who don't like to PvP.
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
CS Lewis
I know it's funny when things go horribly wrong with games but being that I seen the same crap with a bigger crowd in WOW and GW (all other games are mediocre at best) that host PvP/RvR or AB dynamics it seems like the same people, saying the same things come from those games (Higher populace of people sometimes means more idiots).
I don't think everyone in the world is a whiner/bitcher only the new genre of PvPers (WOW, EQ2,Vanguard GW, SWG and now Tabula Rasa). Not once do I see the so called PvE "carebears" (A term WOW invented and is used by every PvPer in MMOs now) whining about how their quest bugged on them for hours on hours like I see PvPers now.
It's just irritating as hell to see the almighty, uber, non carebears whine so much and they are supposed to be the elite of elite crowds in a virtual world.
Get real. We were using the term 'carebear' in SWG in 2003, long before WoW was released, and I'm not so sure it originated with SWG. A surprising amount of the MMO terminology is OLD. Zerging, anyone?
=p
Linn
The term Carebear was around long before WoW...I remember that from AC Darktide and even back in the days of UO...
I was being sarcastic eventhough WOW put it as a definition in their manuals with a descripto "why am I even explaining this?"
You are explaining this because people lay the blame for the crappy quality of people in MMORPG's at the feet of WoW...when in fact those types of people were around way before that. Campers, Gankers, Carebears, Whiners, goldfarmers, etc...these all existed in earlier games...WoW just brought in more people which brings in more of all types of players. Thus when someone lays the blame on WoW for the currently problems with players they look like fools for making a strawman argument.
To the OP, this is the main reason i went to play on the Euro servers tbh, i live in the U.S.A. but just got sick of the average player that plays on U.S. servers (At least in WoW). I mean no offense to anyone and you will get childish behaviour everywhere you go, i just find it far far less Euro side.
I recall the game ShadowBane, now there was a game with brutal PvP. Hell, if you pissed off someone in your immediate group you could kill each other, same with in your guild and then loot everything they had on them.
Of course this cause a lot of exploitation where you'd get some random group invite after thief noticed what goodies you had in your inventory and then once you joined they would port you out of the city and gank you for your goods.
I liked that game since there was no central communication that I recall. No general chat, only your guilds chat.
Regarding muting the general chat, I find myself doing the same. No need to let it bug you, save yourself the pain of getting involved in useless arguments and simply turn it off. The people who live to argue feed well when they get what they want, if no one would argue with them they would eventually have to stop. Unfortunately though there is never just one. So we can either add folks to your ignore list (which is nice since it mutes any and all alts from the account on that server) or just mute general chat.
Playing: varies every day it seems.
Q
F
T
One of the main attractions of TR to me was the idea of a community of players working together against an invading alien horde. But the PvP e-peen crowd just couldn't live with that, they have to be able to gank each other to get their rocks off. Seriously, why is the PvP crowd even here? Aren't there any number of PvP-centric games out there you guys could thump your chests in?
MMO history:
EQ1 - 65 DE Wizard
DAoC - 50 Dwarf Thane, 50 Dwarf Healer
EvE - Amarr, Caldari BShip Pilot
CoH - 40 Ice/Ice Blaster, 40 Dark/Regen Scrapper
WoW - 60 Undead Priest, 60 Tauren Warrior
LoTRO - 30 Hobbit Burglar
Currently Playing - Tabula Rasa
Q
F
T
One of the main attractions of TR to me was the idea of a community of players working together against an invading alien horde. But the PvP e-peen crowd just couldn't live with that, they have to be able to gank each other to get their rocks off. Seriously, why is the PvP crowd even here? Aren't there any number of PvP-centric games out there you guys could thump your chests in?
I think all MMOs need some sort of competitive game play. It is multi-player and mostly co-op (PvE) so they need to have PvP for the uber competitive types.
However, I agree 100% that those who join a PvP clan and then complain about PvP are "wankers" as someone else said..
but yeah, it's true in all competitive gaming and sports, many people are "self-congratulatory sh!t-talkers", and also "crying little b*tches with skinned knees."
Look at Mike Hart, the running back from University of Michigan. This past weekend, they lost their game very, very badly to Ohio State, and Mike Hart personally only had 44 yards rushing... yet if you watched the game, he was talking trash to every OSU player near him after every play he was in. Now, I hate OSU, but I loved the fact that they whooped up on UofM.
The point? People who thrive off of competition with other people, be it sports or gaming or whatever, do it because they really like to win (generally speaking.) So when they don't win, they tend to take it much, much worse then the people who enjoy competition for the spirit of it and fun of being part of something.
So you're saying most PvPers =Extremely bad winners and even worse losers?
I'd agree with that. TR has a similar system to old SWG and in the end most of the PvPers settled down and learned to live with the general community .
What I remember happening to me (and many other shit talking noobs) the first time was this, I walk into a cantina and start beating my chest. I inform the local inhabitants of my 1337n355 and how 99% of gamers are pussys because they won't accept a duel with me. Next the meanest PvPer on the planet who happens to be there stands up and requests a duel (a Wookie commando with a flamethrower) and I accept. I charge him down to waste him and he fires his flamethrower, I end up burning to death in the cantina infront of everyone as they all piss themselves laughing. He sat down and watched me burn to death whilst laughing and he didn't bother to death blow me, but rather watched me get incapacitated, get up, then incapacitated again due to the powerfull DOT on the flamethrower. I didn't even get one decent strike on him, however that was the begining of my PvP carear in MMORPGs and the end of my shit talking/chest beating noob PvPer wannabe days. I still remember his name to this day but would like to thank him for what he did for me that day, I was a prize plonker until he PWNed me infront of 20 laughing gamers,
Thankyou Duckworth.
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
CS Lewis