Ever heard the saying "You get what you pay for"? Well if not then crawl out from under your rock and smell the air.
Personally I would pay upwards of $20.00 USD monthly for a really good game. If you expect great customer service and a great game, then don't expect to pay nickels and dimes for it. The bottom line behind any form of entertainment is money. If you don't have the money then have fun playing your F2P games with crappy servers, crappy GM's, and an even worse community. I prefer quality and will pay quality money to receive it.
14.99 is the most likely but there is a post somewhere where Mark Jacobs talks about the team slightly raising the price, as MMORPG monthly fees are one of the few things in this world that haven't increased due to inflation in years. If he gets what he wants, I think we would be looking at 17.99 or 19.99 a month. Likely have a yearly option to pay 12.99 a month.
Ever heard the saying "You get what you pay for"? Well if not then crawl out from under your rock and smell the air. Personally I would pay upwards of $20.00 USD monthly for a really good game. If you expect great customer service and a great game, then don't expect to pay nickels and dimes for it. The bottom line behind any form of entertainment is money. If you don't have the money then have fun playing your F2P games with crappy servers, crappy GM's, and an even worse community. I prefer quality and will pay quality money to receive it.
I'm seconding this ^^
That said, if the game warrants it and i'm still up in the air if Warhammer will make me bother leaving WoW for more than a few Months. (And no, it's not my first MMO, I played the first 3 years of Daoc before WoW ^^)
14.99 is the most likely but there is a post somewhere where Mark Jacobs talks about the team slightly raising the price, as MMORPG monthly fees are one of the few things in this world that haven't increased due to inflation in years. If he gets what he wants, I think we would be looking at 17.99 or 19.99 a month. Likely have a yearly option to pay 12.99 a month.
I remember reading that but I couldn't find it now. They said they would like to raise the monthly fee because it's been stagnant for so many years around $15. It's still prolly gonna be $15 though due to the competition remaining at $15 (hopefully). I'd like to see it actually drop closer to $10.
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You guys should be carefull with topics like these. People involved in these games read these topics too.... I'm picturing some guy from marketing reading this topic saying, "So the majority of them is expecting $15....hmmm....we could probably get away with $15.95." I mean, back when i firs started playing MMO's, $9.95 was the average monthly fee and $10.95 was what they talked about for "new games". Considering its only a few years later and we're already talking like $15 is a Fair(good) subcription fee should say alot. When you consider the volume of "consumers" who will be playing, $1 more or less is a hell of a lot of money.
I would pay $25.00 to $30.00 per month for a good game. That is dirt cheap compared to the $ per hours back in the days of AOL and TSN gaming. I hope they do read it and consider upping the amount to get rid of some of the players.
You guys should be carefull with topics like these. People involved in these games read these topics too.... I'm picturing some guy from marketing reading this topic saying, "So the majority of them is expecting $15....hmmm....we could probably get away with $15.95." I mean, back when i firs started playing MMO's, $9.95 was the average monthly fee and $10.95 was what they talked about for "new games". Considering its only a few years later and we're already talking like $15 is a Fair(good) subcription fee should say alot. When you consider the volume of "consumers" who will be playing, $1 more or less is a hell of a lot of money.
I would pay $25.00 to $30.00 per month for a good game. That is dirt cheap compared to the $ per hours back in the days of AOL and TSN gaming. I hope they do read it and consider upping the amount to get rid of some of the players.
Why thank you Freddy, make it impossible for those of us with fixed incomes to play MMO's... Would you also like to steal candy from babies? Or maybe stealing Christmas from Whoville is more your style?
If you increase of MMO's the ones who won't be able to afford it are not the kiddies or the hardcore gamers, its the older players with kids, and those on fixed incomes who will get the shaft.
at 10-20 dollars a month MMO's become my luxury, that means no movies, or fast food ect.. but for a month of gameplay its worth missing Beowulf until a friend buys it on DVD..
At 25-30 a month thet means 5-10 dollars of my grocery fund, and that means the differance between playing WAR and going hungry for a few days.
Just because you can afford something easily does not make it necessarily affordable to everyone..And I don't think EA is suicidal enough to make the subscription to a NEW MMO twice as much as their established competitors..
You guys should be carefull with topics like these. People involved in these games read these topics too.... I'm picturing some guy from marketing reading this topic saying, "So the majority of them is expecting $15....hmmm....we could probably get away with $15.95." I mean, back when i firs started playing MMO's, $9.95 was the average monthly fee and $10.95 was what they talked about for "new games". Considering its only a few years later and we're already talking like $15 is a Fair(good) subcription fee should say alot. When you consider the volume of "consumers" who will be playing, $1 more or less is a hell of a lot of money.
I would pay $25.00 to $30.00 per month for a good game. That is dirt cheap compared to the $ per hours back in the days of AOL and TSN gaming. I hope they do read it and consider upping the amount to get rid of some of the players.
Why thank you Freddy, make it impossible for those of us with fixed incomes to play MMO's... Would you also like to steal candy from babies? Or maybe stealing Christmas from Whoville is more your style?
If you increase of MMO's the ones who won't be able to afford it are not the kiddies or the hardcore gamers, its the older players with kids, and those on fixed incomes who will get the shaft.
at 10-20 dollars a month MMO's become my luxury, that means no movies, or fast food ect.. but for a month of gameplay its worth missing Beowulf until a friend buys it on DVD..
At 25-30 a month thet means 5-10 dollars of my grocery fund, and that means the differance between playing WAR and going hungry for a few days.
Just because you can afford something easily does not make it necessarily affordable to everyone..And I don't think EA is suicidal enough to make the subscription to a NEW MMO twice as much as their established competitors..
Wasn't debating, just stating where I am coming from. Where I am coming from is that I would be willing to pay $30.00 per month on a sub. The devs might want to know that bit of information.
Might that hurt you? Well, what you can afford is none of my business. And people say one thing and do another. Threating to not do something is one thing I have seen a lot of people say and then not do. So your threat doesn't mean much to me.
Going to a club for a few hours can cost more than that. $10.00 parking, Cover charge (10-50), drinks 5-15 each. For a few hours of fun.
Like it or not, money is a factor in the real world.
There will be no lifetime subscription available for WAR. Not a chance, prayer, hope, etc. I believe lifetime subscriptions are a not good thing for players or for the developer/publisher over the long-term. If we are doing our job, the monthly subscription price will seem quite reasonable for what you get in return. If we aren't doing our job, well, you know where that leads to. All a lifetime subscription does is bring in more money to the company in the short-term and hurt the company in the long-term by providing a financial disincentive to keep improving the product and by contrast, by providing a financial incentive to go to a new game or more expansion packs/monetization options.
In terms of the actual price, we haven't fully discussed that yet. When DAoC came out we charged just a little more than our competitors because we felt we were offering players more and that we thought that the current price point was a bit low for what we were putting into the game. I can promise you this, the price point will not be below what we are charging now for DAoC and it certainly won't be $30 USD per month.
In terms of a combined subscription plan for DAoC/UO/WAR, that's also something I've been against in the past but I'm continuing to think about it as we move forward.
The key thing to remember, as far as my attitude on this is concerned, is that if our subscription price justifies not only the development cost of WAR and continued development and support of WAR, it is a win for all of us. I want WAR's ongoing development (free stuff), customer support, expansions, etc. to be even better than what we had in DAoC and that is not an insignificant cost. It also allows us to stay away from things that I don't believe belong in WAR like ads, RMTs, etc. So, you can be assured that WAR will not be the cheapest MMORPG out there but you will always feel like you are getting a great value from the game (other than the times when you want to grab flaming torches and storm our HQ because we did something dumb).
Ever heard the saying "You get what you pay for"? Well if not then crawl out from under your rock and smell the air. Personally I would pay upwards of $20.00 USD monthly for a really good game. If you expect great customer service and a great game, then don't expect to pay nickels and dimes for it. The bottom line behind any form of entertainment is money. If you don't have the money then have fun playing your F2P games with crappy servers, crappy GM's, and an even worse community. I prefer quality and will pay quality money to receive it.
QFT. I would pay $20 a month in a heartbeat if it is good.
If you're in a fixed income job then you're average salary should be raising to reflect the cots of living. I know when I worked at Amazon we were getting pretty much minimum wage to begin with but they increased it each year plus depending on your performance it could go even higher and there were incentives for the whole factory to exceed it's monthly targets.
Like someone else said MMOs have not increased due to inflation like other products. Also bear in mine that $15 a month is probably assuming that you only pay monthly. Almost every MMO out there lowers the cost if you buy your time in bulk. So $15 a month would probably be more like $12 a month if you paid for a year, or $20 a month might go down to closer to $15. I don't believe that $5 a month difference is going to make the difference between anyone living or dying. Or to take someones Beowulf example, that's a luxury, you could easily find ways to save on shopping to have the money for that. There's a reason cinemas are dying and it's because of the price gouging. Really what's better paying $20+ to see a movie that lasts a few hours or $15 a month for something that gives you a lot more than that?
If you're in a fixed income job then you're average salary should be raising to reflect the cots of living. I know when I worked at Amazon we were getting pretty much minimum wage to begin with but they increased it each year plus depending on your performance it could go even higher and there were incentives for the whole factory to exceed it's monthly targets. Like someone else said MMOs have not increased due to inflation like other products. Also bear in mine that $15 a month is probably assuming that you only pay monthly. Almost every MMO out there lowers the cost if you buy your time in bulk. So $15 a month would probably be more like $12 a month if you paid for a year, or $20 a month might go down to closer to $15. I don't believe that $5 a month difference is going to make the difference between anyone living or dying. Or to take someones Beowulf example, that's a luxury, you could easily find ways to save on shopping to have the money for that. There's a reason cinemas are dying and it's because of the price gouging. Really what's better paying $20+ to see a movie that lasts a few hours or $15 a month for something that gives you a lot more than that?
Its amazing the conclusions that people jump to... I never said fixed income job I said fixed income, generally only three types of people in america live on fixed incomes:
The Elderly, the disabled, and those on welfare.
I'm one of the disabled, I am homebound, its not like I can just go out and get a better job.
And I get 724 dollors a month from my disablitly Social Security, yet I still get to much to get foodstamps. To me 5 dollars a month is the differance between living and dying.
Most of you have elderly relatives, and they are probably on VERY strict budgets, why do you think so many elderly are going back to work? At places like Mcdonalds and Wendy's?
They cant afford to live on their pensions
20 dollars a month for a afford for goodies. Anything else cuts into my food and or medication bills.
And before someone states the obvious, my bills are huge, if not for Social security and medicare I would not be here right now
My apartment is 250 a month and thats with a goverment subsidy, my other bills (electric, water, gas) come out to almost 250-300 a month and now that winter is upon us that will increase substantially.
Most of you don't live in situations where 10-20 dollars a month is a big deal. To me and to many others it is.
And a jump from 15-20 dollars a month to 25-30 dollars a month would be a deal breaker for me, its going to be hard enough saving up (which I started to do earlier this year) for WAR when it comes out...
I'm saying I have no problem with a reasonable price, but FreddyNoNose's price is there specifically to widen the gap between the haves and have not. He wants the price increased to make it harder for others to play the game, as he mentioned in his post.
These are video games, they should be reasonably priced(in general). And I really dont't think EA is stupid enough to price a new game on the market for 30$, especially when there competition is coming out with yet another expansion not long after their game releases.
And Freddy, your right, my problems are not yours, but when/if the day comes that your broke or disabled and have a budget I sure don't want to see you complaining about it.
Its amazing how little compasion people have for others until something happens to them, then they cant seem to figure out why others have no sympathy.
If you're in a fixed income job then you're average salary should be raising to reflect the cots of living. I know when I worked at Amazon we were getting pretty much minimum wage to begin with but they increased it each year plus depending on your performance it could go even higher and there were incentives for the whole factory to exceed it's monthly targets. Like someone else said MMOs have not increased due to inflation like other products. Also bear in mine that $15 a month is probably assuming that you only pay monthly. Almost every MMO out there lowers the cost if you buy your time in bulk. So $15 a month would probably be more like $12 a month if you paid for a year, or $20 a month might go down to closer to $15. I don't believe that $5 a month difference is going to make the difference between anyone living or dying. Or to take someones Beowulf example, that's a luxury, you could easily find ways to save on shopping to have the money for that. There's a reason cinemas are dying and it's because of the price gouging. Really what's better paying $20+ to see a movie that lasts a few hours or $15 a month for something that gives you a lot more than that?
Its amazing the conclusions that people jump to... I never said fixed income job I said fixed income, generally only three types of people in america live on fixed incomes:
The Elderly, the disabled, and those on welfare.
I'm one of the disabled, I am homebound, its not like I can just go out and get a better job.
And I get 724 dollors a month from my disablitly Social Security, yet I still get to much to get foodstamps. To me 5 dollars a month is the differance between living and dying.
Most of you have elderly relatives, and they are probably on VERY strict budgets, why do you think so many elderly are going back to work? At places like Mcdonalds and Wendy's?
They cant afford to live on their pensions
20 dollars a month for a afford for goodies. Anything else cuts into my food and or medication bills.
And before someone states the obvious, my bills are huge, if not for Social security and medicare I would not be here right now
My apartment is 250 a month and thats with a goverment subsidy, my other bills (electric, water, gas) come out to almost 250-300 a month and now that winter is upon us that will increase substantially.
Most of you don't live in situations where 10-20 dollars a month is a big deal. To me and to many others it is.
And a jump from 15-20 dollars a month to 25-30 dollars a month would be a deal breaker for me, its going to be hard enough saving up (which I started to do earlier this year) for WAR when it comes out...
I'm saying I have no problem with a reasonable price, but FreddyNoNose's price is there specifically to widen the gap between the haves and have not. He wants the price increased to make it harder for others to play the game, as he mentioned in his post.
These are video games, they should be reasonably priced(in general). And I really dont't think EA is stupid enough to price a new game on the market for 30$, especially when there competition is coming out with yet another expansion not long after their game releases.
And Freddy, your right, my problems are not yours, but when/if the day comes that your broke or disabled and have a budget I sure don't want to see you complaining about it.
Its amazing how little compasion people have for others until something happens to them, then they cant seem to figure out why others have no sympathy.
/rant off.
We're saying we're willing to pay more for more quality. If that places it out of your price range that is none of our concern really. Stick to something you can afford without it placing you in a situation of "Life or death". People in your situation (and mine coincidentally, though i could still manage a raise) should realize there are things that are simply put, out of reach for you, and not throw a fit when they become out of reach.
That said, that doesn't mean i'd agree to meaningless price raises without any improvements but if they are warranted with clear improvements I'd do it in a heartbeat.
We're saying we're willing to pay more for more quality. If that places it out of your price range that is none of our concern really. Stick to something you can afford without it placing you in a situation of "Life or death". People in your situation (and mine coincidentally, though i could still manage a raise) should realize there are things that are simply put, out of reach for you, and not throw a fit when they become out of reach.
That said, that doesn't mean i'd agree to meaningless price raises without any improvements but if they are warranted with clear improvements I'd do it in a heartbeat.
Pheace, obviously i already know that many things are out of my price range otherwise i would not need to worry about a budget
My beef was with FreddyNoNose and his: "Lets raise the price and keep out the riff raff" attitude.
This attitude pisses me off due to its usally followed by 'get a better job/get a raise" (which I cant do.. IM FREAKING DISABLED) which several people have mentioned here, or the always popular 'know your limits speach". Which as I said before I do, otherwise I would not be worried about my budget.
My fit was not at them raising the price point for higher quality but Freddy's suggestion of raising the price point to keep, 'undesirables' like myself out of the game.
I'm also trying to figure out who exactly Freddy is trying to keep out of the game exactly, with his high price points:
-Preteens/Teenagers?: American teenagers have the most disposable income on the planet. Why else do you think all the marketing is aimed towards them? When teenagers do have jobs, most of that income is completely disposable, they generally don't have to worry about the electric bills, groceries, or medical expenses since their guardians take care of that.
-Hardcore/Powergamers/Kiddie/leet mentality types?:Also see the preteens/teenager explanation. And those with that mentality who are in their 20's or 30s generally have no personal life other than the games and forums, so they have plenty of time to somehow (get a part time job maybe?) get the money needed for the subscriptions.. so not them either. (If they did not have the time or money, they really would not be power/hardcore or l33t would they?)
-Families/Casual gamers?:Since most families are just one paycheck away from being homeless, this was his most likely target. People who only have the time to play once in a while, people who generally don't buy multiple accounts unless damn near the whole family plays the same game and everyone is arguing who gets to play when. These are the most likely people to be affected by a huge price increase. Pay $30 dollars a month for WAR or 15 for WoW (plus you can be alliance or horde on the same server, adding usability to the average family). Also this group contains a lot of crossover from the teenagers group.
Only one of those groups would really even be phased by current prices being doubled is the Casual gamer/Families group and thats the exact player base most MMOs are now trying to reach... as a matter of fact and i will find the link. Mythic is purposely not aiming to cater to the hardcore type players. You get more money from the casuals.
The only othe thing I can think of is Freddy just does not like poor people, and thinks only those with lost of disposable income should play...
Paying for quality is one thing, which I never disagreed with, the reason I am 'crying/whining' oer sayis Freddy's reasoning for the price increase, to discriminate on the basis of income. Which none of you seem to have a problem with...
So on that note i will shut up on the subject. You bigots have a good time rolling in your money.
We're saying we're willing to pay more for more quality. If that places it out of your price range that is none of our concern really. Stick to something you can afford without it placing you in a situation of "Life or death". People in your situation (and mine coincidentally, though i could still manage a raise) should realize there are things that are simply put, out of reach for you, and not throw a fit when they become out of reach.
That said, that doesn't mean i'd agree to meaningless price raises without any improvements but if they are warranted with clear improvements I'd do it in a heartbeat.
FreddyNoNose wrote:
"I would pay $25.00 to $30.00 per month for a good game. That is dirt cheap compared to the $ per hours back in the days of AOL and TSN gaming. I hope they do read it and consider upping the amount to get rid of some of the players."
Oh and the whole "thats none of our concern" bullcrap... I've heard that before back in the early 70s and late 60s when Jim Crow was around.
I was just trying to explain my situation to edify why Freddy's up the price and keep the riff raff out" was a biased and wrong policy. Yes im disabled and broke and you dont have to deal with it. Freddys stance is: Lets make it so those who are at the bottem of the spectrum stay there and don't bother us.
I was trying to explain why that was an unreasonable position, some of us cant help our situations, but to be purposely discriminated against because of income is just intolerable. And then 5 post about 'well its not my problem that your broke, just play another game/know your limits'
My whole point was that queit a few of us even those that have, decent income are on budgets ect... and to price games so that people with lower incomes/budgets cant play them at all... with the specific purpose to keep lower income brackets out.. thats reprehansible...
But thats not your concern right? All right . I get it money talks. But all of you who took freddies position of raise the prices even more to keep people from playing, your all bigots, and the "Well if your poor its none of my concern' is a cop out.
And I'm done with this thread.
(had to say something besides the last few words in the last post, this attitude of raise the price keep the poor out and then saying well to bad if your poor, is just freaking wrong and you people really do sicken me)
Ty I see your point, hiking the price isn't going to keep out the idiots since generally those with that mentality are the types you pointed out. My bad for misinterpreting "fixed income" as fixed salary. I would go into a rant about how the US has one of the worst welfare systems on the planet for a developed nation but I'm sure anyone living there knows that well enough. I'm actually glad I live in the UK sometimes.
Actually MMOs alrwady cost near enough the equivalent of $20 over here, if I'm remembering correctly WoW was £8.99 a month which is roughly $18. They don't seem to scale the price depending on where the game is being played from and I don't see how it can cost anymore to run over here considering we get fewer European servers and smaller teams working on the game. Unless the hosting costs are somehow much higher because our infrastructure for broadband is quite a bit behind.
If you're in a fixed income job then you're average salary should be raising to reflect the cots of living. I know when I worked at Amazon we were getting pretty much minimum wage to begin with but they increased it each year plus depending on your performance it could go even higher and there were incentives for the whole factory to exceed it's monthly targets. Like someone else said MMOs have not increased due to inflation like other products. Also bear in mine that $15 a month is probably assuming that you only pay monthly. Almost every MMO out there lowers the cost if you buy your time in bulk. So $15 a month would probably be more like $12 a month if you paid for a year, or $20 a month might go down to closer to $15. I don't believe that $5 a month difference is going to make the difference between anyone living or dying. Or to take someones Beowulf example, that's a luxury, you could easily find ways to save on shopping to have the money for that. There's a reason cinemas are dying and it's because of the price gouging. Really what's better paying $20+ to see a movie that lasts a few hours or $15 a month for something that gives you a lot more than that?
Its amazing the conclusions that people jump to... I never said fixed income job I said fixed income, generally only three types of people in america live on fixed incomes:
The Elderly, the disabled, and those on welfare.
I'm one of the disabled, I am homebound, its not like I can just go out and get a better job.
And I get 724 dollors a month from my disablitly Social Security, yet I still get to much to get foodstamps. To me 5 dollars a month is the differance between living and dying.
Most of you have elderly relatives, and they are probably on VERY strict budgets, why do you think so many elderly are going back to work? At places like Mcdonalds and Wendy's?
They cant afford to live on their pensions
20 dollars a month for a afford for goodies. Anything else cuts into my food and or medication bills.
And before someone states the obvious, my bills are huge, if not for Social security and medicare I would not be here right now
My apartment is 250 a month and thats with a goverment subsidy, my other bills (electric, water, gas) come out to almost 250-300 a month and now that winter is upon us that will increase substantially.
Most of you don't live in situations where 10-20 dollars a month is a big deal. To me and to many others it is.
And a jump from 15-20 dollars a month to 25-30 dollars a month would be a deal breaker for me, its going to be hard enough saving up (which I started to do earlier this year) for WAR when it comes out...
I'm saying I have no problem with a reasonable price, but FreddyNoNose's price is there specifically to widen the gap between the haves and have not. He wants the price increased to make it harder for others to play the game, as he mentioned in his post.
These are video games, they should be reasonably priced(in general). And I really dont't think EA is stupid enough to price a new game on the market for 30$, especially when there competition is coming out with yet another expansion not long after their game releases.
And Freddy, your right, my problems are not yours, but when/if the day comes that your broke or disabled and have a budget I sure don't want to see you complaining about it.
Its amazing how little compasion people have for others until something happens to them, then they cant seem to figure out why others have no sympathy.
/rant off.
IF that's the difference between 'living and dying' then you have a problem, my friend.
Anyways, if you can play an MMORPG, why not engage in a little bit of online buy/sell on ebay or some sort of activity to bring a few extra bucks in and perhaps offset the cost of the MMO's monthly fee?
TY, while I can sympathize with your plight (I have several friends/acquintances who are disabled and being former military I know all too well I could have ended up disabled for life myself), MMOGs are one of the most expensive hobbies out there. Think about it - not only do you need a decent computer which costs far more than a console, but you need to pay for a decent Internet connection and around $150 a year in subscription fees. I make pretty good money now but even I'm re-thinking the long term costs of keeping up with MMOGs when there are plenty of great single player RPG alternatives - including the Elder Scroll series, Neverwinter Nights, The Witcher, Knights of the Old Republic, upcoming Fallout 3, etc. Or you could play an "MMO-lite" like Hellgate or Guild Wars where you can still enjoy multiplayer without subscription fees. I'm still a big Guild Wars fan precisely because that series allows me to decide when I want to pay for extra content, instead of forcing me to pay $15 for the new hardcore raiding instance I probably won't ever see.
PS - any Games Workshop fan will tell you that they are notorious for constantly raising the prices of already expensive Warhammer and 40K miniatures. I'm just hoping that GW doesn't try to leverage Mythic into setting a steep subscription price.
No way there will be a jump until a game comes out and outsells World of Warcraft. Folks know better and are little bit more hip to the game. WAR and all it's hype has to deliver first before they think about raising the price bar.
Most companies already have 8 strikes against them when jumping into this market. On one level or another every MMO is competing with WoW (doesn't matter how many on MMORPG.COM hate the game). You can't just be a good game to raise the bar..I think you need to be the best ever or the masses that you want to pay for that increase just won't be there. The number that show up will be a mini niche group that are die hard fanbois.
Now to clear this up, don't get me wrong...I'm not saying that WoW is the best and that WAR will/won't be better than it. I am saying that it has to prove itself before they think that it can raise the price.
Originally posted by FreddyNoNose Originally posted by Tyfreaky Originally posted by FreddyNoNose Originally posted by eumenidex You guys should be carefull with topics like these. People involved in these games read these topics too.... I'm picturing some guy from marketing reading this topic saying, "So the majority of them is expecting $15....hmmm....we could probably get away with $15.95." I mean, back when i firs started playing MMO's, $9.95 was the average monthly fee and $10.95 was what they talked about for "new games". Considering its only a few years later and we're already talking like $15 is a Fair(good) subcription fee should say alot. When you consider the volume of "consumers" who will be playing, $1 more or less is a hell of a lot of money.
I would pay $25.00 to $30.00 per month for a good game. That is dirt cheap compared to the $ per hours back in the days of AOL and TSN gaming. I hope they do read it and consider upping the amount to get rid of some of the players.
Why thank you Freddy, make it impossible for those of us with fixed incomes to play MMO's... Would you also like to steal candy from babies? Or maybe stealing Christmas from Whoville is more your style?
If you increase of MMO's the ones who won't be able to afford it are not the kiddies or the hardcore gamers, its the older players with kids, and those on fixed incomes who will get the shaft. at 10-20 dollars a month MMO's become my luxury, that means no movies, or fast food ect.. but for a month of gameplay its worth missing Beowulf until a friend buys it on DVD.. At 25-30 a month thet means 5-10 dollars of my grocery fund, and that means the differance between playing WAR and going hungry for a few days.
Just because you can afford something easily does not make it necessarily affordable to everyone..And I don't think EA is suicidal enough to make the subscription to a NEW MMO twice as much as their established competitors..
Wasn't debating, just stating where I am coming from. Where I am coming from is that I would be willing to pay $30.00 per month on a sub. The devs might want to know that bit of information. Might that hurt you? Well, what you can afford is none of my business. And people say one thing and do another. Threating to not do something is one thing I have seen a lot of people say and then not do. So your threat doesn't mean much to me. Going to a club for a few hours can cost more than that. $10.00 parking, Cover charge (10-50), drinks 5-15 each. For a few hours of fun. Like it or not, money is a factor in the real world.
Ur analogy kinda bites. Only reason I say that is because clubs who charge the upwards of prices are looking for that particular crowd and that club can reach capacity rather quickly. Now over to MMO's...I would think that raising the price to 25 or 30 dollars is going to turn it into that niche crowd and no where near capacity which is very bad for business.
And money is a factor in the real world, but there are reasons why Wal-mart makes more than lets say um...Macy's.
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Ever heard the saying "You get what you pay for"? Well if not then crawl out from under your rock and smell the air.
Personally I would pay upwards of $20.00 USD monthly for a really good game. If you expect great customer service and a great game, then don't expect to pay nickels and dimes for it. The bottom line behind any form of entertainment is money. If you don't have the money then have fun playing your F2P games with crappy servers, crappy GM's, and an even worse community. I prefer quality and will pay quality money to receive it.
14.99 is the most likely but there is a post somewhere where Mark Jacobs talks about the team slightly raising the price, as MMORPG monthly fees are one of the few things in this world that haven't increased due to inflation in years. If he gets what he wants, I think we would be looking at 17.99 or 19.99 a month. Likely have a yearly option to pay 12.99 a month.
I'm seconding this ^^
That said, if the game warrants it and i'm still up in the air if Warhammer will make me bother leaving WoW for more than a few Months. (And no, it's not my first MMO, I played the first 3 years of Daoc before WoW ^^)
I remember reading that but I couldn't find it now. They said they would like to raise the monthly fee because it's been stagnant for so many years around $15. It's still prolly gonna be $15 though due to the competition remaining at $15 (hopefully). I'd like to see it actually drop closer to $10.
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I would pay $25.00 to $30.00 per month for a good game. That is dirt cheap compared to the $ per hours back in the days of AOL and TSN gaming. I hope they do read it and consider upping the amount to get rid of some of the players.
Why thank you Freddy, make it impossible for those of us with fixed incomes to play MMO's... Would you also like to steal candy from babies? Or maybe stealing Christmas from Whoville is more your style?I would pay $25.00 to $30.00 per month for a good game. That is dirt cheap compared to the $ per hours back in the days of AOL and TSN gaming. I hope they do read it and consider upping the amount to get rid of some of the players.
If you increase of MMO's the ones who won't be able to afford it are not the kiddies or the hardcore gamers, its the older players with kids, and those on fixed incomes who will get the shaft.
at 10-20 dollars a month MMO's become my luxury, that means no movies, or fast food ect.. but for a month of gameplay its worth missing Beowulf until a friend buys it on DVD..
At 25-30 a month thet means 5-10 dollars of my grocery fund, and that means the differance between playing WAR and going hungry for a few days.
Just because you can afford something easily does not make it necessarily affordable to everyone..And I don't think EA is suicidal enough to make the subscription to a NEW MMO twice as much as their established competitors..
Why thank you Freddy, make it impossible for those of us with fixed incomes to play MMO's... Would you also like to steal candy from babies? Or maybe stealing Christmas from Whoville is more your style?I would pay $25.00 to $30.00 per month for a good game. That is dirt cheap compared to the $ per hours back in the days of AOL and TSN gaming. I hope they do read it and consider upping the amount to get rid of some of the players.
If you increase of MMO's the ones who won't be able to afford it are not the kiddies or the hardcore gamers, its the older players with kids, and those on fixed incomes who will get the shaft.
at 10-20 dollars a month MMO's become my luxury, that means no movies, or fast food ect.. but for a month of gameplay its worth missing Beowulf until a friend buys it on DVD..
At 25-30 a month thet means 5-10 dollars of my grocery fund, and that means the differance between playing WAR and going hungry for a few days.
Just because you can afford something easily does not make it necessarily affordable to everyone..And I don't think EA is suicidal enough to make the subscription to a NEW MMO twice as much as their established competitors..
Wasn't debating, just stating where I am coming from. Where I am coming from is that I would be willing to pay $30.00 per month on a sub. The devs might want to know that bit of information.Might that hurt you? Well, what you can afford is none of my business. And people say one thing and do another. Threating to not do something is one thing I have seen a lot of people say and then not do. So your threat doesn't mean much to me.
Going to a club for a few hours can cost more than that. $10.00 parking, Cover charge (10-50), drinks 5-15 each. For a few hours of fun.
Like it or not, money is a factor in the real world.
I would say like the others 15$... but if it's really good, i'm whilling to pay a little more.
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Mark Jacobs wrote:
Folks,
There will be no lifetime subscription available for WAR. Not a chance, prayer, hope, etc. I believe lifetime subscriptions are a not good thing for players or for the developer/publisher over the long-term. If we are doing our job, the monthly subscription price will seem quite reasonable for what you get in return. If we aren't doing our job, well, you know where that leads to. All a lifetime subscription does is bring in more money to the company in the short-term and hurt the company in the long-term by providing a financial disincentive to keep improving the product and by contrast, by providing a financial incentive to go to a new game or more expansion packs/monetization options.
In terms of the actual price, we haven't fully discussed that yet. When DAoC came out we charged just a little more than our competitors because we felt we were offering players more and that we thought that the current price point was a bit low for what we were putting into the game. I can promise you this, the price point will not be below what we are charging now for DAoC and it certainly won't be $30 USD per month.
In terms of a combined subscription plan for DAoC/UO/WAR, that's also something I've been against in the past but I'm continuing to think about it as we move forward.
The key thing to remember, as far as my attitude on this is concerned, is that if our subscription price justifies not only the development cost of WAR and continued development and support of WAR, it is a win for all of us. I want WAR's ongoing development (free stuff), customer support, expansions, etc. to be even better than what we had in DAoC and that is not an insignificant cost. It also allows us to stay away from things that I don't believe belong in WAR like ads, RMTs, etc. So, you can be assured that WAR will not be the cheapest MMORPG out there but you will always feel like you are getting a great value from the game (other than the times when you want to grab flaming torches and storm our HQ because we did something dumb).
Mark
14.99-17.99 my guess
QFT. I would pay $20 a month in a heartbeat if it is good.
If you're in a fixed income job then you're average salary should be raising to reflect the cots of living. I know when I worked at Amazon we were getting pretty much minimum wage to begin with but they increased it each year plus depending on your performance it could go even higher and there were incentives for the whole factory to exceed it's monthly targets.
Like someone else said MMOs have not increased due to inflation like other products. Also bear in mine that $15 a month is probably assuming that you only pay monthly. Almost every MMO out there lowers the cost if you buy your time in bulk. So $15 a month would probably be more like $12 a month if you paid for a year, or $20 a month might go down to closer to $15. I don't believe that $5 a month difference is going to make the difference between anyone living or dying. Or to take someones Beowulf example, that's a luxury, you could easily find ways to save on shopping to have the money for that. There's a reason cinemas are dying and it's because of the price gouging. Really what's better paying $20+ to see a movie that lasts a few hours or $15 a month for something that gives you a lot more than that?
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The Elderly, the disabled, and those on welfare.
I'm one of the disabled, I am homebound, its not like I can just go out and get a better job.
And I get 724 dollors a month from my disablitly Social Security, yet I still get to much to get foodstamps. To me 5 dollars a month is the differance between living and dying.
Most of you have elderly relatives, and they are probably on VERY strict budgets, why do you think so many elderly are going back to work? At places like Mcdonalds and Wendy's?
They cant afford to live on their pensions
20 dollars a month for a afford for goodies. Anything else cuts into my food and or medication bills.
And before someone states the obvious, my bills are huge, if not for Social security and medicare I would not be here right now
My apartment is 250 a month and thats with a goverment subsidy, my other bills (electric, water, gas) come out to almost 250-300 a month and now that winter is upon us that will increase substantially.
Most of you don't live in situations where 10-20 dollars a month is a big deal. To me and to many others it is.
And a jump from 15-20 dollars a month to 25-30 dollars a month would be a deal breaker for me, its going to be hard enough saving up (which I started to do earlier this year) for WAR when it comes out...
I'm saying I have no problem with a reasonable price, but FreddyNoNose's price is there specifically to widen the gap between the haves and have not. He wants the price increased to make it harder for others to play the game, as he mentioned in his post.
These are video games, they should be reasonably priced(in general). And I really dont't think EA is stupid enough to price a new game on the market for 30$, especially when there competition is coming out with yet another expansion not long after their game releases.
And Freddy, your right, my problems are not yours, but when/if the day comes that your broke or disabled and have a budget I sure don't want to see you complaining about it.
Its amazing how little compasion people have for others until something happens to them, then they cant seem to figure out why others have no sympathy.
/rant off.
They will pick a price which they think will bring them the most income.
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Its amazing the conclusions that people jump to... I never said fixed income job I said fixed income, generally only three types of people in america live on fixed incomes:The Elderly, the disabled, and those on welfare.
I'm one of the disabled, I am homebound, its not like I can just go out and get a better job.
And I get 724 dollors a month from my disablitly Social Security, yet I still get to much to get foodstamps. To me 5 dollars a month is the differance between living and dying.
Most of you have elderly relatives, and they are probably on VERY strict budgets, why do you think so many elderly are going back to work? At places like Mcdonalds and Wendy's?
They cant afford to live on their pensions
20 dollars a month for a afford for goodies. Anything else cuts into my food and or medication bills.
And before someone states the obvious, my bills are huge, if not for Social security and medicare I would not be here right now
My apartment is 250 a month and thats with a goverment subsidy, my other bills (electric, water, gas) come out to almost 250-300 a month and now that winter is upon us that will increase substantially.
Most of you don't live in situations where 10-20 dollars a month is a big deal. To me and to many others it is.
And a jump from 15-20 dollars a month to 25-30 dollars a month would be a deal breaker for me, its going to be hard enough saving up (which I started to do earlier this year) for WAR when it comes out...
I'm saying I have no problem with a reasonable price, but FreddyNoNose's price is there specifically to widen the gap between the haves and have not. He wants the price increased to make it harder for others to play the game, as he mentioned in his post.
These are video games, they should be reasonably priced(in general). And I really dont't think EA is stupid enough to price a new game on the market for 30$, especially when there competition is coming out with yet another expansion not long after their game releases.
And Freddy, your right, my problems are not yours, but when/if the day comes that your broke or disabled and have a budget I sure don't want to see you complaining about it.
Its amazing how little compasion people have for others until something happens to them, then they cant seem to figure out why others have no sympathy.
/rant off.
We're saying we're willing to pay more for more quality. If that places it out of your price range that is none of our concern really. Stick to something you can afford without it placing you in a situation of "Life or death". People in your situation (and mine coincidentally, though i could still manage a raise) should realize there are things that are simply put, out of reach for you, and not throw a fit when they become out of reach.
That said, that doesn't mean i'd agree to meaningless price raises without any improvements but if they are warranted with clear improvements I'd do it in a heartbeat.
Pheace, obviously i already know that many things are out of my price range otherwise i would not need to worry about a budget
My beef was with FreddyNoNose and his: "Lets raise the price and keep out the riff raff" attitude.
This attitude pisses me off due to its usally followed by 'get a better job/get a raise" (which I cant do.. IM FREAKING DISABLED) which several people have mentioned here, or the always popular 'know your limits speach". Which as I said before I do, otherwise I would not be worried about my budget.
My fit was not at them raising the price point for higher quality but Freddy's suggestion of raising the price point to keep, 'undesirables' like myself out of the game.
I'm also trying to figure out who exactly Freddy is trying to keep out of the game exactly, with his high price points:
-Preteens/Teenagers?: American teenagers have the most disposable income on the planet. Why else do you think all the marketing is aimed towards them? When teenagers do have jobs, most of that income is completely disposable, they generally don't have to worry about the electric bills, groceries, or medical expenses since their guardians take care of that.
-Hardcore/Powergamers/Kiddie/leet mentality types?: Also see the preteens/teenager explanation. And those with that mentality who are in their 20's or 30s generally have no personal life other than the games and forums, so they have plenty of time to somehow (get a part time job maybe?) get the money needed for the subscriptions.. so not them either. (If they did not have the time or money, they really would not be power/hardcore or l33t would they?)
-Families/Casual gamers?: Since most families are just one paycheck away from being homeless, this was his most likely target. People who only have the time to play once in a while, people who generally don't buy multiple accounts unless damn near the whole family plays the same game and everyone is arguing who gets to play when. These are the most likely people to be affected by a huge price increase. Pay $30 dollars a month for WAR or 15 for WoW (plus you can be alliance or horde on the same server, adding usability to the average family). Also this group contains a lot of crossover from the teenagers group.
Only one of those groups would really even be phased by current prices being doubled is the Casual gamer/Families group and thats the exact player base most MMOs are now trying to reach... as a matter of fact and i will find the link. Mythic is purposely not aiming to cater to the hardcore type players. You get more money from the casuals.
The only othe thing I can think of is Freddy just does not like poor people, and thinks only those with lost of disposable income should play...
Paying for quality is one thing, which I never disagreed with, the reason I am 'crying/whining' oer sayis Freddy's reasoning for the price increase, to discriminate on the basis of income. Which none of you seem to have a problem with...
So on that note i will shut up on the subject. You bigots have a good time rolling in your money.
FreddyNoNose wrote:
"I would pay $25.00 to $30.00 per month for a good game. That is dirt cheap compared to the $ per hours back in the days of AOL and TSN gaming. I hope they do read it and consider upping the amount to get rid of some of the players."
Oh and the whole "thats none of our concern" bullcrap... I've heard that before back in the early 70s and late 60s when Jim Crow was around.
I was just trying to explain my situation to edify why Freddy's up the price and keep the riff raff out" was a biased and wrong policy. Yes im disabled and broke and you dont have to deal with it. Freddys stance is: Lets make it so those who are at the bottem of the spectrum stay there and don't bother us.
I was trying to explain why that was an unreasonable position, some of us cant help our situations, but to be purposely discriminated against because of income is just intolerable. And then 5 post about 'well its not my problem that your broke, just play another game/know your limits'
My whole point was that queit a few of us even those that have, decent income are on budgets ect... and to price games so that people with lower incomes/budgets cant play them at all... with the specific purpose to keep lower income brackets out.. thats reprehansible...
But thats not your concern right? All right . I get it money talks. But all of you who took freddies position of raise the prices even more to keep people from playing, your all bigots, and the "Well if your poor its none of my concern' is a cop out.
And I'm done with this thread.
(had to say something besides the last few words in the last post, this attitude of raise the price keep the poor out and then saying well to bad if your poor, is just freaking wrong and you people really do sicken me)
Ty I see your point, hiking the price isn't going to keep out the idiots since generally those with that mentality are the types you pointed out. My bad for misinterpreting "fixed income" as fixed salary. I would go into a rant about how the US has one of the worst welfare systems on the planet for a developed nation but I'm sure anyone living there knows that well enough. I'm actually glad I live in the UK sometimes.
Actually MMOs alrwady cost near enough the equivalent of $20 over here, if I'm remembering correctly WoW was £8.99 a month which is roughly $18. They don't seem to scale the price depending on where the game is being played from and I don't see how it can cost anymore to run over here considering we get fewer European servers and smaller teams working on the game. Unless the hosting costs are somehow much higher because our infrastructure for broadband is quite a bit behind.
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The Elderly, the disabled, and those on welfare.
I'm one of the disabled, I am homebound, its not like I can just go out and get a better job.
And I get 724 dollors a month from my disablitly Social Security, yet I still get to much to get foodstamps. To me 5 dollars a month is the differance between living and dying.
Most of you have elderly relatives, and they are probably on VERY strict budgets, why do you think so many elderly are going back to work? At places like Mcdonalds and Wendy's?
They cant afford to live on their pensions
20 dollars a month for a afford for goodies. Anything else cuts into my food and or medication bills.
And before someone states the obvious, my bills are huge, if not for Social security and medicare I would not be here right now
My apartment is 250 a month and thats with a goverment subsidy, my other bills (electric, water, gas) come out to almost 250-300 a month and now that winter is upon us that will increase substantially.
Most of you don't live in situations where 10-20 dollars a month is a big deal. To me and to many others it is.
And a jump from 15-20 dollars a month to 25-30 dollars a month would be a deal breaker for me, its going to be hard enough saving up (which I started to do earlier this year) for WAR when it comes out...
I'm saying I have no problem with a reasonable price, but FreddyNoNose's price is there specifically to widen the gap between the haves and have not. He wants the price increased to make it harder for others to play the game, as he mentioned in his post.
These are video games, they should be reasonably priced(in general). And I really dont't think EA is stupid enough to price a new game on the market for 30$, especially when there competition is coming out with yet another expansion not long after their game releases.
And Freddy, your right, my problems are not yours, but when/if the day comes that your broke or disabled and have a budget I sure don't want to see you complaining about it.
Its amazing how little compasion people have for others until something happens to them, then they cant seem to figure out why others have no sympathy.
/rant off.
IF that's the difference between 'living and dying' then you have a problem, my friend.
Anyways, if you can play an MMORPG, why not engage in a little bit of online buy/sell on ebay or some sort of activity to bring a few extra bucks in and perhaps offset the cost of the MMO's monthly fee?
TY, while I can sympathize with your plight (I have several friends/acquintances who are disabled and being former military I know all too well I could have ended up disabled for life myself), MMOGs are one of the most expensive hobbies out there. Think about it - not only do you need a decent computer which costs far more than a console, but you need to pay for a decent Internet connection and around $150 a year in subscription fees. I make pretty good money now but even I'm re-thinking the long term costs of keeping up with MMOGs when there are plenty of great single player RPG alternatives - including the Elder Scroll series, Neverwinter Nights, The Witcher, Knights of the Old Republic, upcoming Fallout 3, etc. Or you could play an "MMO-lite" like Hellgate or Guild Wars where you can still enjoy multiplayer without subscription fees. I'm still a big Guild Wars fan precisely because that series allows me to decide when I want to pay for extra content, instead of forcing me to pay $15 for the new hardcore raiding instance I probably won't ever see.
PS - any Games Workshop fan will tell you that they are notorious for constantly raising the prices of already expensive Warhammer and 40K miniatures. I'm just hoping that GW doesn't try to leverage Mythic into setting a steep subscription price.
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Yeah, seriously, if your one pay check away from being homeless, I dont think you'll be playing mmo's lol...
Or if 5$ is "life/death", you shouldn't worry bout P2P MMO's, plenty of free ones out there.
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No way there will be a jump until a game comes out and outsells World of Warcraft. Folks know better and are little bit more hip to the game. WAR and all it's hype has to deliver first before they think about raising the price bar.
Most companies already have 8 strikes against them when jumping into this market. On one level or another every MMO is competing with WoW (doesn't matter how many on MMORPG.COM hate the game). You can't just be a good game to raise the bar..I think you need to be the best ever or the masses that you want to pay for that increase just won't be there. The number that show up will be a mini niche group that are die hard fanbois.
Now to clear this up, don't get me wrong...I'm not saying that WoW is the best and that WAR will/won't be better than it. I am saying that it has to prove itself before they think that it can raise the price.
I would pay $25.00 to $30.00 per month for a good game. That is dirt cheap compared to the $ per hours back in the days of AOL and TSN gaming. I hope they do read it and consider upping the amount to get rid of some of the players.
Why thank you Freddy, make it impossible for those of us with fixed incomes to play MMO's... Would you also like to steal candy from babies? Or maybe stealing Christmas from Whoville is more your style?
If you increase of MMO's the ones who won't be able to afford it are not the kiddies or the hardcore gamers, its the older players with kids, and those on fixed incomes who will get the shaft.
at 10-20 dollars a month MMO's become my luxury, that means no movies, or fast food ect.. but for a month of gameplay its worth missing Beowulf until a friend buys it on DVD..
At 25-30 a month thet means 5-10 dollars of my grocery fund, and that means the differance between playing WAR and going hungry for a few days.
Just because you can afford something easily does not make it necessarily affordable to everyone..And I don't think EA is suicidal enough to make the subscription to a NEW MMO twice as much as their established competitors..
Wasn't debating, just stating where I am coming from. Where I am coming from is that I would be willing to pay $30.00 per month on a sub. The devs might want to know that bit of information.
Might that hurt you? Well, what you can afford is none of my business. And people say one thing and do another. Threating to not do something is one thing I have seen a lot of people say and then not do. So your threat doesn't mean much to me.
Going to a club for a few hours can cost more than that. $10.00 parking, Cover charge (10-50), drinks 5-15 each. For a few hours of fun.
Like it or not, money is a factor in the real world.
Ur analogy kinda bites. Only reason I say that is because clubs who charge the upwards of prices are looking for that particular crowd and that club can reach capacity rather quickly. Now over to MMO's...I would think that raising the price to 25 or 30 dollars is going to turn it into that niche crowd and no where near capacity which is very bad for business.
And money is a factor in the real world, but there are reasons why Wal-mart makes more than lets say um...Macy's.
It will be $14.99 a month within +/- $1.00. However, I wish they would do like xbox and only charge $5.99 a month!!
Like mostly everyone has mentioned though, $20 or even higher would still be ok if the game was extremely good.
Heh you guys other side of atlantic are actually quite lucky we europeans pay for same games 15-18 dollars already...