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Whats best Vanguard or Lotro
Nikepwns
Member Posts: 134
Whats best Vanguard Or Lotro.
There is a poll for you
give reasons to back your answer using pro's and cons about each one or just a review
Very much Apreciated thankyou very much
Played: WoW, Guild wars, Eve, SWG, and more
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My basis is all the bugs that were present in Vanguard while LoTRO was very polished at launch. I'm betting there are a lot more players playing LoTRO too. Another reason is Vanguard is owned by SOE who has a tendency to ruin games (although EQ2 is fairly good).
I have played both, and I can confidently say that Vanguard is a superior game because its world is large and more immersive; the combat and gameplay are more intense and fun; and the class system is superior.
LotR is very forced, linear, predictable, and boring.
Vanguard is more open, varied, intense, and exciting.
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WoW and fast food = commercial successes.
I neither play WoW nor eat fast food.
I've played both too and am even a lifetime member of LOTRO... but I agree that there is much more to Vanguard. But then Vanguard was designed to be a very comprehensive game with its complex crafting, diplomacy and so on. I still loved the fact that the game auto changed your outfit depending on whether you were fighting, crafting or doing diplomacy and that you could improve your difference clothing sets. The reason I stopped playing Vanguard was really the performance of the game on my system and the fact that group play is required a lot. Might go back to it one day.
LOTRO is casual friendly which suits me fine,
Raymondo
Lotro -- simply because it has a future. Vanguard will never get much attention from SOE, so it will remain in the stagnant state it's at now. With the poor performance and the massive drop in subs the game is not going to catch on and stores wont be putting it back on the shelves. The most they can hope for is the people who've already bought it may come back, but they continue to lose people every day who are getting bored with what is there. There will likely be a big drop once APW is released and people start finishing it, there wont be anything left to do in the game. Crafting and diplomacy are montonous grindfests, if that appeals to you then maybe I'd rather not have them in the game the way they've been impelmented.
Lotro on the other hand was a success and continues to have a solid subscription base. Turbine will be putting out expansions and more content for the game, eventually taking you all the way to Mordor. Gameplay wise Lotro is more challenging than Vanguard and the quests are better.
lotro
pros:
good community
enjoyable gameplay
graphics
classes are interesting
housing neighbourhoods
world is full of life and NPCs arent like manequins
cons:
gets boring
pvmp isnt spectacular...unbalanced,encourages camping and ganking
very limited armor choices through design
limited class choice and cookie cutter builds
housing uses hooks
vanguard
pros:
lots of mobs
big (but very empty) world
lots of mount choices
lots of races and a good selection of classes
lots of ways to customise yourself through clothes,mounts etc
cons:
its not a particulary fun or involving game
annoying bugs
its bland and boring
crafting is about left clicking for long periods
diplomacys a badly implemented mini game
lots of similar races
no character builds
empty lifeless world and NPCs.
grind does not = complexity.
Polls mean nothing because people can vote on them without having played either.
Having actually played the games, I can tell you that there's no comparison - Vanguard blows LOTRO away.
If you are an extremely casual MMORPG player then Lord of the Rings is your game. Otherwise, if you can tolerate some bugs and high enough system specs to run it, Vanguard blows Lord of the Rings Online out of the water in terms of an MMORPG.
Honestly, I think two things hurt Vanguard for the time being:
1. They released way to early.
2. They released to close to WoW: The Burning Crusade and Lord of the Rings Online.
Wow simply owns every MMORPG out there and Lord of the Rings Online was highly anticipated because of the Intellectual property. I think that if Vanguard was polished that many of the people who left for Lord of the Rings Online would be migrating back to Vanguard after they quickly found that LoTRO is simply boring.
Unfortunately, it really is hard to gauge the truth about LoTRO vs. Vanguard. No matter what, the fans of Lord of the Rings trilogy and Middle-Earth will probably always favor LoTRO since its set in that trilogy.
Another thing that people always try to claim is that LoTRO will improve. Unfortunately, I don't think people realize that what is there now is what will be there later except with more levels and more zones or simply database tweaks and changes. Housing is probably the last major new gameplay feature besides that the game will play no differently and will be a borefest. That is just how Turbine makes and updates games.
splat
keep voting we must try and reach 100 votes lol
And thx for the comments guys
keep em coming!
Played: WoW, Guild wars, Eve, SWG, and more
So they could find out how boring Vanguard is? The desolate world, the mindless quests, the monotonous grinding, the mini game grindfests that are crafting and diplomacy. The plasticy feel of the world, a world that doesnt feel lived in or real just a stage for mindless kill quests.
I didnt mind the classes, they were kind of interesting, the races were pointless their only differences were cosmetic and a minor ability that was pretty much useles for the majority. The gameplay was so simple and the challenges were so easy in groups.
The large world just ended up as an obstacle to grouping, it's more of a hassle than it is worthwhile. I just fail to see what Vanguard got right.
keep going
Played: WoW, Guild wars, Eve, SWG, and more
Played Vanguard a lot longer than I did LOTRO (mostly because LOTRO bored the shit out of me). So yeah, I'm going to say Vanguard.
It really isn't the horrible game people make it out to be, as long as you have a semi-decent gaming rig it looks nice and runs fairly good. The number of classes/races was a real big draw for me, and I absolutely loved playing my Dread Knight, real fun combat system.
The world is truly breath taking in Vanguard as well, that's a biggie for me as well. Also, from what I've heard the populations have been improved upon with the server mergers.
As to whether or not the game will receive attention from SOE or not, I have faith that it will. Game update 3 is coming up I believe, and the previous two were huge improvements; made lots of Vanguardians happy.
Also, LOTRO is bound to a specific story (who woulda thunk), Vanguard has lots of room for SOE to expand upon as far as lore goes, and they have been doing just that. Read an article awhile back on the official boards about all the lore that's currently in the game, surprised me, I hadn't really noticed, heh.
In the end it's up to you, research both games thoroughly (videos, fansites, etc.).
Oh, and just for comparison I'll give you my system specs. I ran the game smoothly on balanced settings (still looked fantastic).
AMD Athlon 64 4000+ 2.7ghz
1gb RAM
Nvidia 7600GS 256mb
Pretty freaking low system, and as I said, ran smooth. Might be an anomaly though cause I've heard nothing but hell from other players with much better machines.
Caldis,
Few things about your reply to my post. When you say empty world what do you mean? Do you mean the lack of players? Or do you mean the housing areas having a lack of mobs around them? Besides that I disagree with the world being empty because I use to find tons of various areas hidden here and there throughout the game when I was exploring.
I admit that both crafting and diplomacy could be a grindfest and do need to be worked on. However, those grindfests played a role in how the housing system worked and the guild towns worked. On another note tons of the crafters loved that system because crafting had something to it and plus for your 'grind' you were also rewarded with random crafting supplies and sometimes equipable crafting gear.
The biggest two features to the game are housing and boats. If you did not play long enough to be able to try those out along with the rest of the game then you didn't play long enough to find the reason why Vanguard has huge potential.
I do admit that the graphics are not the most pleasing and some would call them plastic. However, most people coudln't get the graphics high enough to see the game in motion which I did on occasion in certain areas. The game's true beauty shined and IMHO was better than Lord of the Rings Online at the higher settings.
splat
and also one of the main features that i like in a game is the community and i wanna know what sort of things you can do with your guild in vanguard,( i mean events) just say anything.
Hows the Pvp i dont mind it being to the standard of lotro thats ok just as long as there is some pvp and i like it
and finally what do the houses end up looking like, could anyone send a picture of a house that has been fully designed out with all sorts of furniture and what not
Thankyou very much if you answer these questions it will be a very great help on my thought into which game i wanna play
thanks to all that have answered all ready
keep em coming
thanks
Played: WoW, Guild wars, Eve, SWG, and more
First off NIkepwn, this game is about a ton of time wasting things. If you dont have a serious amount of time to devote to it you wont feel like you are getting anywhere.
Dethnoble, what I mean by an empty world is just that empty of life. The place is huge and wide open but dead because there isnt much moving on it. Compared to Lotro the place is dead, you go into the wilderness in lotro creatures are on you making your life difficult. In Vanguard it's empty you can wander aimless and spot only a few mobs which you avoid easily if they are too high level for you, if they are too low level you just run past them. You can find areas for your level but you may have to search huge areas to find them. It is easier to find groups now since the merge but it's still a huge time commitment to put out a shout for groups and a lot of time wasted waiting for people.
I'd also say that the quests in Lotro made the game feel much more alive than Vanguard. It seemed like there was a story, something was going on in the world. Vanguard it just seems like the only thing going on is a rat problem why dont you go kill a million of em and I'll give you a shiny nickle.
The housing system is meaningless because it does nothing. Whats the point to having a house? There are no player run communities and their wont be for years at the rate SOE is patching things. It's another recall spot and a bit of storage space but what are you going to store that you can already in the bank?
Boats are fine but pretty much pointless. They dont do much for you in the game and the way the world is constructed you usually have to travel by foot to get anywhere, your better off knowing or being a bard then wasting your time on a boat.
I played to 45 as a bard my original character was a Rogue who got to 26 in adventuring 33 in diplomacy and 19 in crafting. I kept waiting for them to implement the things that they'd planned for the game but since SOE has showed up development has slowed down to a crawl. They had some innovative ideas for this game but in the end it became another clone of EQ with a little polish. If you have the station pass and want to get a change from EQ or EQ2 every once in awhile it's probably not bad if you like that style of gameplay but it could have been much more and there's not really much to recommend it above those two games. At least they are being actively worked on and will get expansions.
The difference? In Vanguard, I had an incredible sense that I had played this game before… many times… I found myself falling into the same patterns I had run in SWG, WoW, EQ2… kill stuff level kill stuff level kill stuff level.
I read all the post, and when I read about Diplomacy and how people are having fun with it, I can’t help but shudder…. play the same card game against the same opponent for maybe a hundred times and hope to get a few points from it? So you can find a new NPC to play the card game with? How is this in any sense fun to someone WITHOUT a bad case of obsessive-compulsive disorder?
Playing: World of Warcraft.
Played: Lord of the Rings Online, Starwars Galaxies.
Tried: Starwars the Old Republic, Everquest 2, Guild Wars, Vanguard, Age of Conan, Aion.
Vanguard was very shallow when I played - nothing new and no unique lore. The client was so raw you would have thought it was closed beta and however polished it is now, whilst vanguards devs were busy bringing the game up to retail standard LOTROs devs were adding new content + player housing and preparing for the next expansion.
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I voted for LOTRO. But the thing is... Vanguard could have easily been the best MMO to date. It was theirs to lose, and they lost it with the terrible launch.
Bad launch = angry customers.
Angry customers = lost subscribers
Lost subscribers = low populations
Low population = bad MMO (no matter how good the MMO is)
All that being said, however, neither game is original. Both are grindfests without FFA PVP, 100% corpse-looting, boats, houses, etc. They both use the same boring class and level systems and both are gear-driven games. Both games are designed for the current society of programmed MMOers who don't know how to have fun without quest-monkeys telling them what to do and where to go.
Where are the true sandbox MMOs? Darkfall is coming soon hopefully.
- Phos
LoL - You do realize that Vangaurd had a FFA server before the server mergers right? It had only about 500 people during peak hours and thus died a silent death as it degenerated to a pure gankfest in certain places and other places it was bleak and desolate with nothing but mindless NPC's mobs to keep you company while you waited a few hours for someone to log on a pass by.
As for the fun part it's all based on personal taste. Don't get all angry just because most folks don't care for FFA PvP. FFA PvP just is not a big seller because of many factors that a player cannot control like the internet, etc.. and most folks have lives outside of MMO's.
I went with LotR. Here are the reasons and I will use the old "pros and cons" format. I was a beta tester for both games and subscribed to both games for a time. I still maintain a LotR account although I rarly play it, my wife mainly focuses on that one. In fact I hardly play any MMOs at all these past few months. I currently have Tabula Rasa running although, I think my taste in gaming has generally changed and I'm not so sure about sticking with that one either. (so here is my opinion)
LotR pro's
Cons
Vanguard pros
cons
So to sum it up, although Vanguard has more of the "freeform" or sandbox appeal, it fails to really capitalize on that. LotR has a much more traditional structured / storyline approach and has a very high quality and polished.
If you want to pay for "potential" or "may be good someday" go for Vanguard. If you want to play your game today in a finished state, go for LotR. It really depends on your playstyle.
Personally I would prefer Vanguard over LotRs but its currently an unfinished pile of dung and undeserving of a monthly payment.
LOTRO has the best future but both totally suck.
so really not sure now,
most the people that say all this about vanguard usually havent said it by the sounds of things
Played: WoW, Guild wars, Eve, SWG, and more
I respect your opinion, but it sounds like a programmed response that's not really too well thought out. Desolate server? That describes all the servers I played on, FFA PVP and the carebear servers alike. The popularity of FFA PVP had nothing to do with the server population. The popularity of VANGUARD was the problem.
Also, FFA PVP is a CENTRAL theme that ENTIRE games should be DESIGNED around. It's not supposed to be an AFTERTHOUGHT like it was in Vanguard. They set the game up for failure. If you look back at the old UO rulesets, you can see the designers created entire reputation/reward systems around how a person played their character on the FFA PVP system. That worked wonderfully because of the thought that was placed in the systems surrounding reputation, corpse-looting, etc.
VG is a terrible example of why FFA PVP is "not popular." Besides, as another poster said in this thread (and I said it too): both of these games aren't exactly great anyways. They're just the best WoW clones out there right now.
IMO, most gamers don't know how great MMOs can be anymore because it's been 10 years since a truly great MMO existed. But Darkfall will hopefully remind us all of how all the hardcore rules can be in an MMO and still be functional and fun, etc. My GF even misses the old UO rules and looks forward to Darkfall. She wants an in-game house again and she wants to play in a world where getting in PVP combat actually has consequences again. So do I.
- Phos
If those are the only two options you're going to give me then I suppose I would say Vanguard. All in all it is a better game with more depth, however, you do have to have a beast of a system to play it without unresonable lag. LOTRO is probably a better a game for younger players, as it is pretty easy. If you are an older gamer than I would go with Vanguard. Gluck with the hunt.
In the long run Turbine will add Mines of moria, Isengaurd, Rohan , Minnas thirith, to Lotro, cuz thay dont have to fix bugs , and have a very stable profitable game for at least 4-5 years if thay dont screw it up. Tolkien fans will be there for a long time to come.
Vangaurd lost to much players and time whit fixing bugs , and therefor will not release much more content.Cuz its less profitable ,i realy doubth vangaurd will ever get an exspansion pack.
So in the long run Lotro is the better chose whether you like it today or afther 2 years, it will be the better chose either way.
Playing: World of Warcraft.
Played: Lord of the Rings Online, Starwars Galaxies.
Tried: Starwars the Old Republic, Everquest 2, Guild Wars, Vanguard, Age of Conan, Aion.
Never mind sandage must be ownage lol
I have played lotro before
the one thing is everytime i make an account it never works when i log in
Played: WoW, Guild wars, Eve, SWG, and more