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WOW like it or loath it ?
Tearsnsorrow
Member Posts: 48
Like it or loath it, Wow has opened more people up to the possibilities of an expansive, immersive experience that involves other human opponets/friends.
It has fuelled a demand that was not recognised as actually existing and will, in time, be seen as a stepping stone to future games both within this genre and outside it, which simply put, will have to be better than they would otherwise have needed to be in order to compete.
Wow has killed a whole generation of crap games and forced the Dev's to work harder for our cash.
Which has to be a good thing even if you dont like Wow ??
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I dare to disagree. It dumbed down the whole genre. I'd rather be a part of a small mature community with complex and deep mechanics than be one out of ten milion, where the kids are majority and the system is so simple and uninnovative that you basically wonder why hell is this flagged as MMORPG.
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I agree, the intorduction of Broadband Internet is also a factor .
This is a bullock. What crap MMORPG was released before WoW? Ok maybe AC2 had its problems, but the rest? WoW showed the other developers what do people like. Stupid dumbed down mechanics with cookie cutter customization, with silly casting-bar crafting and easy gameplay. I don't want those features in the MMORPG's I play and it's actually a bad thing that now the market wants those. We'll see less complex games like AO, DaoC in the future and more simple games like AC2 or WoW. And that IS A BAD THING.
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What part of this genre was deep and complex if I may be so bold as to ask? Tedious with obscure game mechanics and exploits in the hands of the few is more like it as far as I remember.
What part of this genre was deep and complex if I may be so bold as to ask? Tedious with obscure game mechanics and exploits in the hands of the few is more like it as far as I remember.
Crafting? A simple casting bar that you watch and wait. No customization making your own items by adding dusts that enhance certain attribute or whatever.Classes$Customization : Simple classes with a couple of linear pre-designed talent builds. All are like +3% critical or +5% fire damage.
PvP? No world PVP basically, just some silly instanced zones where you accumulate points that you spend for buying better items. That's as simple and uninnovative as it sounds.
World? Linear zones with a couple of exits that are obviously directed to certain level and if you pass it you probably has no reason to return.
The whole WoW model is basically directly taken from AC2. Easy gamestyle that doesn't punish you even if you are 10 years old with no basic knowledge of how does it all works and still can manage to be well-geared for example. The system is just too linear.
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WoW changed MMOs, for good or bad.
If WoW didn't exist, I wonder what LOTRO would have looked like.
LOTRO would be completely the same. LOTRO is an Asheron's Call 2, same engine, same interface, same crafting/class system, same travel system, as well spammed by thousands of quests and easy gameplay. AC2 was the game that WoW copied a lot and LOTRO is just a natural evolution of the game from the same company.
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I recently decided to cancel a few accounts and play only one MMO for awhile. The suprise after a week of trying to decide I went with WoW. The games canceled were EQ2, LOTRO, CoH/CoV. I found that on a day to day basis I enjoyed WoW more then the others. I have spend 3 years in both EQ2 and CoH/CoV and been in LOTRO since beta so I have a lot of experience in all these games.
WoW's community is no better or worst then any other MMO. The perception that WoW is full of ganking foul mouth kids is simply not my experience in WoW. You can find that crap in any MMO. I play in a guild called Relique we are mostly older players so I have no problems with the WoW community. One of the great things about WoW is that there are ton's of players playing at all times of the day, so I always have others to play and chat with.
There are many things WoW lacks. Housing and collectibles for your house would be number one on my list. A deeper crafting system would be nice as well. However after thinking about this issue for a few weeks ,as my choices to cancel were explored I found WoW is as deep and fun as the other top MMOs. You may or may not like WoW but if you experience it to it's fullest it is hardly a dumbed down MMO.
What part of this genre was deep and complex if I may be so bold as to ask? Tedious with obscure game mechanics and exploits in the hands of the few is more like it as far as I remember.
Crafting? A simple casting bar that you watch and wait. No customization making your own items by adding dusts that enhance certain attribute or whatever.Classes$Customization : Simple classes with a couple of linear pre-designed talent builds. All are like +3% critical or +5% fire damage.
PvP? No world PVP basically, just some silly instanced zones where you accumulate points that you spend for buying better items. That's as simple and uninnovative as it sounds.
World? Linear zones with a couple of exits that are obviously directed to certain level and if you pass it you probably has no reason to return.
The whole WoW model is basically directly taken from AC2. Easy gamestyle that doesn't punish you even if you are 10 years old with no basic knowledge of how does it all works and still can manage to be well-geared for example. The system is just too linear.
My argument is not that WoW is complex it's that the rest of the MMO's aren't complex either so saying why WoW is not complex in your opinion does nothing for the argument.
I experienced it to the fullest pre-TBC with my previous EQ1 guild. We quitted after a couple of months after we cleared AQ. There was no Naxx at that time. I can't imagine what else was there for me to try out. The game was a little disaster and my memories are just horrible when I think about WoW. The community was a catastrophy just by itself.
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I think alot of people who reply to this question will say they hate WoW, even though they probably played it and loved it at one stage. I have played MMO's for a long time. UO, EQ, DAoC to name a few. When WoW came i loved it. I hate it now but I cannot deny its a well made game, that brought more development into MMO's
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I know it's something you love to complain about but what exactly is harder about it being two different classes apart from the fact that the latter makes it 10x more likely you'll win due to some inherent difference between the classes and the former precludes any excuse that it was "The class" that made you win?
If you get your behind handed to you by a mage when you are a mage you got owned, simple as that. If you lose to a different class type it could well be that that class is a rock to your scissors.
Learning how the classes work is just a matter of time anyway, same with the secret trails mentioned for Warhammer and things like that. That's one of the biggest drawbacks of Massively multiplayer gaming. Everything is transparent in no time at all since everything gets researched, essayed and put on the internet for all to see and even if you chose not to read it the person you end up grouping with probably did. (entirely different point, I know, just continuing my rant
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Complaining about different classes per side is fine but it's no strong argument on "Harder VS Easier" really unless you're a developer trying to balance stuff.
WoW has increased the MMORPG player population. It will be a good thing for all MMORPGs to come
Torrential
Torrential: DAOC (Pendragon)
Awned: World of Warcraft (Lothar)
Torren: Warhammer Online (Praag)
Blizzard's contribution to the market was releasing a complete and relatively fun game. WoW may lack depth, but at least you can play the game and do so on a machine that doesn't require a glacier cooled video card. Mass appeal only lasts so long; the reason Blizzard continues to enjoy WoW's success is because the game itself is solid.
Compare WoW with Vanguard. Sigil had good ideas and great mechanics, but the released game was shat. Why play a half-assed attempt when there are complete games on the market? I took a four month hiatus from WoW to check out other titles. The entire time I was saying to myself, why am I playing lesser versions of WoW. Other than Eve, which I'm happy to say I'm really enjoying, titles like VSOH, LOTR, and EQ2 where a waste of my time.
I have a lot of hope for WAR. Sure it'll be similar to WoW, but the PvP mechanics look interesting and I'm up for a new set of stories to follow. EA had better release a complete game from the beginning or WAR will falter and be reduced to mediocre numbers.
Oh and as for craptacilar MMOs prior to WoW ... SWG. Cripes was that one heaping pile of spaghetti code. Again, great ideas and mechanics, horrible implementation. The only redeeming quality of that mess was the community, which remains one of my favorites to this day.
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I am not sure that WoW is 'Deep and Complex', but not in a bad way. I think, for example, with crafting they have found a happy medium between way too complex (old EQ2 crafting) and way to simplified. Graphically I think WoW is definatly one of the best. I have tried out many other games after leaving Star Wars Galaxies. (D&D Online, Lord of the Rings, EQ2, DAoC to name a few) and WoW has been my favorite. (EVE Online also
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In the future I am sure that I will remember WoW as being the game that stepped up what MMORPG's were supposed to be. Just like I remember Ultima Online as being the game that got everything started.
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Analyze it, boil it down, love it, hate it. It doesn't matter what anyone does... It will always be the game that rocked the MMO industry. It is currently the best MMO out based on stats and it is the most polished and content full game on the market. People hate it because they burned themselves out.
This game isn't made to maintain a massive player base that plays 20 hours a day. No game is. If you keep playing like that this same thing will always happen no matter what game you play. This game succeeds by catering to the larger player base, the casual player base. That is why there are millions of subscribers more than any other game. Although a huge number of that player base will never post on a forum.
I quit/took break from WoW 5 days ago and I dont feel the erge to go back, we just got into black temple and killed 2 bosses, but I "lost the Energy" for the game. I might go back when the new expansion comes but until then I am playing Sword Of the New World .. well atleast until I find something better to play anyho.
So at the moment I dont care so much for WoW, I just find it boring been playing it since Beta.
Exactly. WoW has reduced the quality of MMOs in many respects.
Graphics? That would have improved eventually no matter what. But dumbing down the mechanics for the masses? We won't recover from that for many years.
- Phos
Originally posted by eccoton
"The beauty of WoW is it is easy to pickup and play for new mmo players. However to master WoW you have to work very hard and know a lot of information a lot more then most MMOs..... I found WoW is as deep and fun as the other top MMOs. You may or may not like WoW but if you experience it to it's fullest it is hardly a dumbed down MMO."
Amen Brutha!
I can agree that WoW is easy to pickup and play,that's why it is soo succesfull,everyone can play it without problems,even less than 6 year old kids.And if blizzard keeps it this way,they wont loose their subs,and even with the new expansion I doubt they will loose alot.
So you played the game from beginning to end and only after you left do you realize the misery of your time wasted. You are a shining example of someone who confuses getting bored with a game and hating a game.
Blizzard put quality and fun first and it payed off. Other companies have continually put revenues first and their gameplay has suffered as a result. The people have spoken and you can wimper all you want about certain aspects this or that. Overall it is the best product on the MMO market hands down. Other companies need to get on board with that concept and then, and only then, can they make games with other aspects that you find appealing.
It is to bad many people can't see the big picture of what WoW did to the MMO scene. The same applies to Vanguard and its failed release. It finally looks like companies are going to take their time and release quality games.
The problem with that is pugging is not an indicator of the overall community. Who are the people that pug? They are for the most part those that are not in a guild or they don't run with the guild. And why is that? Could it be that they lack the social skills to be a valued member of a guild? Pugging is the absolute worst situation for grouping. You're far better off just going solo or becoming part of a guild. If you look at pugging as an indicator of the overall community then you're not seeing the big picture. The majority of people are either in a guild and find members of their guild to go to instances or they are mostly solo players and find friends or whatnot to group up from time to time for group related quests. Those who are pugging it either enjoy it (because they are there for the sole purpose of trying to ruin someones day) or they just don't know any better. The WoW vets all stay far away from pug groups.
I can agree that WoW is easy to pickup and play,that's why it is soo succesfull,everyone can play it without problems,even less than 6 year old kids.And if blizzard keeps it this way,they wont loose their subs,and even with the new expansion I doubt they will loose alot.
More dumbed down than say CoX? I'm sorry, but I have a 6 year old grandson that plays CoX everyday and he does pretty well. He simply runs around and presses the buttons and does fine. I couldn't even begin to tell him how to play WoW. He can't read that well so I'm not even sure how he could equip himself. It may not be the toughest MMO around, but it's far from being the most dumbed down. CoX is gotta be it, and I like CoX, so I have nothing against it. It's great for very small kids or those just starting a new MMO.
If it was possible, I would like to see howmany of people claiming WoW is dumbed down play on PVE servers. PVE is dumb, but any PVE is dumb, only when you play PVP can you realy see how deep and skill (not gear) intensive can this game become.
Even dagger rogues can beat MS warriors with some real mad skillz.