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Level based vs Skill based?

qazqaz123qazqaz123 Member Posts: 123
in Stargate Worlds

Watching the tv series.. and reading here.. is 2 differnt things.

 

When i see the tv series etc. i see a skill based world. not a world build on level 1 and 99s ..

But a world where everyone can beat each other its just the matter of equipment and the skills.

 

As so many other ppl i would like to travel space too.. even in limited form. I did from day one i saw this game on mmorpg dream about it o_O I got some suggestion to some stuff for spaceflights.. Watching how the X304s etc. weork in the movie.. you need x amount of ppl to fly it. Now lets say you somehow put those stuff to 20ppl or more needed to fly a mother ship. Like some ppl just need to be there.  Captain - xo - weapon engineer thing - the CHEF some pinup girls.. whatever :P just putin a minimum requirement for a ship before it should be able to fly and make em hard as hell to build for players . lets stop that here and ju,p to my reason for this post.

 

My questions to the devs.

 

'Why not make the game skill based?  <since the serie is about skills>

Is it still possible to do so or is the damage allready done?  <make it skill based and not level based>

Comments

  • jay8378jay8378 Member UncommonPosts: 124

    Because it all comes down to time and what is time, it is money. Skill based games take a crap load more dev time and hence more of the company's money. This is the same reason SWG players got screwed. A skill based system is a way more complex than the boring linear grind. This is why most new MMO's will suck.

    Lack of character customization.

  • qazqaz123qazqaz123 Member Posts: 123

    Originally posted by jay8378


    Because it all comes down to time and what is time, it is money. Skill based games take a crap load more dev time and hence more of the company's money. This is the same reason SWG players got screwed. A skill based system is a way more complex than the boring linear grind. This is why most new MMO's will suck.

    Lack of character customization.
    i dont like the truth.. NEXT PLEASE ! :)

     

    sadly i belive your right thou :(

  • ThatimThatim Member Posts: 240

    Well, you ever saw a serie that was levelbased?

     

    Even Pokemon was skillbased...

     

     

    But anyways, I hope the game get some more  then just point / click / z0mgmygearpwnsyou  system

  • blkjagblkjag Member Posts: 34

    It will be a hybrid system, combo of both level and skill based as per the dev's-  how would it work, we do not know because the dev's had not reveal  the detail of it.

  • WizardryWizardry Member LegendaryPosts: 19,332

    Originally posted by qazqaz123


    Watching the tv series.. and reading here.. is 2 differnt things.
     
    When i see the tv series etc. i see a skill based world. not a world build on level 1 and 99s ..
    But a world where everyone can beat each other its just the matter of equipment and the skills.
     
    As so many other ppl i would like to travel space too.. even in limited form. I did from day one i saw this game on mmorpg dream about it o_O I got some suggestion to some stuff for spaceflights.. Watching how the X304s etc. weork in the movie.. you need x amount of ppl to fly it. Now lets say you somehow put those stuff to 20ppl or more needed to fly a mother ship. Like some ppl just need to be there.  Captain - xo - weapon engineer thing - the CHEF some pinup girls.. whatever :P just putin a minimum requirement for a ship before it should be able to fly and make em hard as hell to build for players . lets stop that here and ju,p to my reason for this post.
     
    My questions to the devs.
     
    'Why not make the game skill based?  <since the serie is about skills>
    Is it still possible to do so or is the damage allready done?  <make it skill based and not level based>
    I hate to say it dude but you are a misled gamer.Level based and skill based are pretty much exactly the same.Both take countless hours to build up.Both use a sort of numbers system.ONe you see your level go up 1/2/3/4 ect ,the other you see a certain skill go up,weather it has a bar or a number beside it ,it's still the same correlation.You still get certain skills based on your level as you would in a so called skill system,there both in the same.There is alot more to a level than just a number.

    You will never have a system where anyone can beat anyone unless it's a first person shooter where all things are equal[cept LAG/PING/STABILITY]

    If you want to call it SKILL or LEVEL based ,doesn't matter both will take the same time=reward sequence.It could be like 1 week of gameplay your level 10 or 1 week of gameplay you have skills that are equal to that of a level 10.Either way it adds up to the same thing.

    Don't get me wrong ,i for one would love to see a game for once get PVP right and allow anyone to kill anyone.I really can't see this being done without turning the game into a FPS  instead of an MMORPG.The biggest factor in PVP will always be LAG/proximity to server.The battle system would have to be well thought out as to not bring connections into the foray.

    I am not really sure a PVP system that allows anyone to kill anyone would even have a large following.If you have witnessed the mass amount of cheat sites/aimbots whatever,you will notice that players don't want equality,they want to find some glitch/loophole or just a time=reward system that will give them the edge over others.

    Sad really,there isn't much  time and space  for casual mature gamers.

    Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.

  • jay8378jay8378 Member UncommonPosts: 124

    Originally posted by Wizardry


     
    Originally posted by qazqaz123


    Watching the tv series.. and reading here.. is 2 differnt things.
     
    When i see the tv series etc. i see a skill based world. not a world build on level 1 and 99s ..
    But a world where everyone can beat each other its just the matter of equipment and the skills.
     
    As so many other ppl i would like to travel space too.. even in limited form. I did from day one i saw this game on mmorpg dream about it o_O I got some suggestion to some stuff for spaceflights.. Watching how the X304s etc. weork in the movie.. you need x amount of ppl to fly it. Now lets say you somehow put those stuff to 20ppl or more needed to fly a mother ship. Like some ppl just need to be there.  Captain - xo - weapon engineer thing - the CHEF some pinup girls.. whatever :P just putin a minimum requirement for a ship before it should be able to fly and make em hard as hell to build for players . lets stop that here and ju,p to my reason for this post.
     
    My questions to the devs.
     
    'Why not make the game skill based?  <since the serie is about skills>
    Is it still possible to do so or is the damage allready done?  <make it skill based and not level based>
    I hate to say it dude but you are a misled gamer.Level based and skill based are pretty much exactly the same.Both take countless hours to build up.Both use a sort of numbers system.ONe you see your level go up 1/2/3/4 ect ,the other you see a certain skill go up,weather it has a bar or a number beside it ,it's still the same correlation.You still get certain skills based on your level as you would in a so called skill system,there both in the same.There is alot more to a level than just a number.

     

    You will never have a system where anyone can beat anyone unless it's a first person shooter where all things are equal[cept LAG/PING/STABILITY]

    If you want to call it SKILL or LEVEL based ,doesn't matter both will take the same time=reward sequence.It could be like 1 week of gameplay your level 10 or 1 week of gameplay you have skills that are equal to that of a level 10.Either way it adds up to the same thing.

    Don't get me wrong ,i for one would love to see a game for once get PVP right and allow anyone to kill anyone.I really can't see this being done without turning the game into a FPS  instead of an MMORPG.The biggest factor in PVP will always be LAG/proximity to server.The battle system would have to be well thought out as to not bring connections into the foray.

    I am not really sure a PVP system that allows anyone to kill anyone would even have a large following.If you have witnessed the mass amount of cheat sites/aimbots whatever,you will notice that players don't want equality,they want to find some glitch/loophole or just a time=reward system that will give them the edge over others.

    Sad really,there isn't much  time and space  for casual mature gamers.

    Well a skill based "tree" or system allows you to choose what skill you want to train instead of a linear level based system which forces you in to your next skill. I think this is what the OP is talking about.

  • qazqaz123qazqaz123 Member Posts: 123

     

    Originally posted by Wizardry I hate to say it dude but you are a misled gamer.Level based and skill based are pretty much exactly the same.Both take countless hours to build up.Both use a sort of numbers system.ONe you see your level go up 1/2/3/4 ect ,the other you see a certain skill go up,weather it has a bar or a number beside it ,it's still the same correlation.You still get certain skills based on your level as you would in a so called skill system,there both in the same.There is alot more to a level than just a number.
     
    You will never have a system where anyone can beat anyone unless it's a first person shooter where all things are equal[cept LAG/PING/STABILITY]
    If you want to call it SKILL or LEVEL based ,doesn't matter both will take the same time=reward sequence.It could be like 1 week of gameplay your level 10 or 1 week of gameplay you have skills that are equal to that of a level 10.Either way it adds up to the same thing.
    Don't get me wrong ,i for one would love to see a game for once get PVP right and allow anyone to kill anyone.I really can't see this being done without turning the game into a FPS  instead of an MMORPG.The biggest factor in PVP will always be LAG/proximity to server.The battle system would have to be well thought out as to not bring connections into the foray.
    I am not really sure a PVP system that allows anyone to kill anyone would even have a large following.If you have witnessed the mass amount of cheat sites/aimbots whatever,you will notice that players don't want equality,they want to find some glitch/loophole or just a time=reward system that will give them the edge over others.
    Sad really,there isn't much  time and space  for casual mature gamers.

      i hate to say so.. but your not a very experienced gamer.. !

     

    Have you ever tried Ultima Online etc.?

    I guess no.. if you have i doubt you played it for more than a houre cuz you were to weak!

     

    There is a very big difference in class/level vs Skill based games.

     

     

    If everyone starts out with 0 skills at all ! but just the ability to use stuff etc.

    They all develop slowly and gets better at what they are doing. And not beeing forced to pick a class.. that way they can become uber at what they wanna do. Or just a jack of all trades. !

     

    Allso .. most skill based games where you earn your skills from useing em.. tends to put in a feeling thats its not just a GRIND like Level based games.. Then again how would you know since you still havnt quitted WOW ?

     heres an examble for you:

    WOW: A lvl 1 (new player) has no chane killing a old school player) not even in groups.

    How i would love to see it: a group of new players should be able to pick off a more experienced player. They should be able to damage and hit em. They should be able to kill em. Just not as easy as a equal experienced player. They should allso be able to survive more than one hit. You dont get that by a LEVEL based game.. ! well no level based games i know off adds that feature.. thats why.. SKILL BASED.

    Allso Skill based vs Level based.. if the creators set it up right.. there wont be shouts like "your not 40 you cant be in this group sry you suck" ... everyone is more equal since everyone has "same level" but not same abilities.. this way ppl will shout for Healers Tanks DDs more .. and everyone can basicly easyer get a party. Then the more your char develop the harder you hit.. the better you tank. The more you heal. ETC. And everyone can still be a part of it !

    nuff said

     

     

    and dude.. please dont reply to this thread again.

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