What is compelling then, a general grand story? The story writing in Vanguard is not any worse in any other game in general, why should it be. It is nice that they do that in LOTRO but that doesn't mean that Vanguard have to do it, should be adding it for the game ok that would be nice. But a must because they've do it in LOTRO, nah.
I'm not saying they have to do it, it's just one feature that sets Lotro above Vanguard. The story, how npc's react to you, the instanced events bring that game to life and make it far superior to Vanguard in that aspect. So what does Vanguard have that sets it apart? A large lifeless world that's about it. The ability to grind forever on all the assorted little things like crafting workorders, civic diplomacy, faction, repetitive grind quests like the Arena or for schematics by the isle of madness. It's weak in the gameplay department, unless you like monotonous grinding.
I havent played LOTRO and dont ever plan to but what happens if you want to roll alot of alts arent you stuck playing the same linar path that you took with your main . and really bro show me one mmo that isnt about grinding . They all have grinding in one way or another
What is compelling then, a general grand story? The story writing in Vanguard is not any worse in any other game in general, why should it be. It is nice that they do that in LOTRO but that doesn't mean that Vanguard have to do it, should be adding it for the game ok that would be nice. But a must because they've do it in LOTRO, nah.
I'm not saying they have to do it, it's just one feature that sets Lotro above Vanguard. The story, how npc's react to you, the instanced events bring that game to life and make it far superior to Vanguard in that aspect. So what does Vanguard have that sets it apart? A large lifeless world that's about it. The ability to grind forever on all the assorted little things like crafting workorders, civic diplomacy, faction, repetitive grind quests like the Arena or for schematics by the isle of madness. It's weak in the gameplay department, unless you like monotonous grinding.
Ok, if one could just stop to say things like that... does that add to anything really. I can say the same things but using different words about LOTRO, WOW and alot of other games.
There is alot of features in alot of different games that sets them above any other games. And no I would not play LOTRO nor Vanguard because of the future you are mentioning. I doesn't even choose a game according on how much of XP the mobs gives per kill.
You know, not even in LOTRO you have to just look at theworld to progress. You are not saying that LOTRO have quests and story but Vanguard doesn't, do you. You don't like the quests and storys in Vanguard, ok, but that is not the same as there isn't any.
You know, not even in LOTRO you have to just look at theworld to progress. You are not saying that LOTRO have quests and story but Vanguard doesn't, do you. You don't like the quests and storys in Vanguard, ok, but that is not the same as there isn't any.
Sorry but is english your first language? I'm having problems understanding what you are trying to say.
What I'm saying is that the OP has come on and given a glowing review of Vanguard and that a lot of his review is either BS or shows he's only played a few levels.
Travel much in Vanguard and you will find an largely empty and lifeless world. Do several quests and you will find that the vast majority of quests in Vanguard are cookie cutter brainless go kill x mobs and they'll draw you a map for where to find the mobs. Do diplomacy for awhile you will find its a monotonous grind, do crafting far a bit you'll find the same.
They did fairly well in a few of the starter areas, really well with the starting diplomacy lines, but by level 10 or so the quests become much less interesting and show how rushed sigil was trying to complete the game for launch.
Friend i have a level 34 ranger who is also a level 30 carpenter. I cant see why so many people say "it's a grind" as if that is a bad thing to everyone? why use all these community words? some people actualy like a grind! some people are still playing eq1 now. ok so you dont like it...so go play a game thats not a grind.
say why you dont like a game but let others like a game for thier own reasons. I played the 7 day trial of LOTRO and yes its not long to give a game i admit, but i realised it was really not my cup of tea that's all. Hey others olike it and to them its probably a good game, but for me i like to choose my path and the game was too linear for me. The graphics were polished but colourful and glaring for me. and i didnt like the skill system, it just didnt seem to fit naturaly to me. but thats not because the game is crap...it's because it wasnt for me. You say VG is lifeless, Why? i dont get that. theres things going on everywhere. the citys are busy now and there are not many empty areas and the areas that are empty are usualy in between busy areas so at least us adventurers can have a place to gather our thoughts. you see to me i like a game where i am not some great hero who can kill dragons solo, i like a game where i can explore and choose my own path. Have you ever soloed in VG? have ever grouped in VG? anyone who has experieneced both will know that it's just as fast to level solo as it is to group in VG thats a thing that a lot of people like to see. I soloed to level 30 and since then have been grouping to experience some of the tougher dungeons and it's actualy slowed my levelling down a bit. In vg there are just as many solo quests as there are group quests.
The OP put in a really biased review of the game. he entered the game unbiased but then made an opinion based on his experiences. The same as each of my posts is biased..i like the game so how can i not be. You yourself are being biased as you seem to want to put people of playing the game by telling them why its so bad. me? i couldnt care less whether you play or not. if you play and come onto the halgar server give Tuor a tell and help you out where i can...if you dont play then i hope you are enjoying whatever game you are playing
OK i admit i love this game but i still think maybe the OP was a little too generous. There still needs to be more lore and dynamic content. The graphics,while still above anything else on the market need the textures improving all over telon as they are doing in Khal as we speak. Crafting needs other ways to level. given all this i would give the game a score of 75 out of 100 at its present state.
You know, not even in LOTRO you have to just look at theworld to progress. You are not saying that LOTRO have quests and story but Vanguard doesn't, do you. You don't like the quests and storys in Vanguard, ok, but that is not the same as there isn't any.
Sorry but is english your first language? I'm having problems understanding what you are trying to say.
I am saying that the are grinding in LOTRO aswell. I am also saying that Vanguyard has quests and storys aswell as LOTRO. And I am saying that even though one may dislike the quests and storys in Vanguard they (the quests and storys) are still there.
What I'm saying is that the OP has come on and given a glowing review of Vanguard and that a lot of his review is either BS or shows he's only played a few levels.
Ok... but it is not like they do not add content.
Travel much in Vanguard and you will find an largely empty and lifeless world.
And if one travels even more one will also see a largely populated and lifefull world. You can't just forget the good areas in the game just because there are bad.
Do several quests and you will find that the vast majority of quests in Vanguard are cookie cutter brainless go kill x mobs and they'll draw you a map for where to find the mobs.
Yeah, but there still is alot of quest that is the opposite.
Do diplomacy for awhile you will find its a monotonous grind, do crafting far a bit you'll find the same.
Yeah there is alot of quests for diplomacy and you have to do something to get experience and instead of grinding boars you grind civic diplomoacy.. And I see it as the grinding in crafting is intentional.
They did fairly well in a few of the starter areas, really well with the starting diplomacy lines, but by level 10 or so the quests become much less interesting and show how rushed sigil was trying to complete the game for launch.
... and they are still adding things to the game. It's wrong to only state what was there at launch. I'm not sying that there is nothing to be added now. But as I said in the beginning of this there is alot of small storys in Vanguard, you don't like them but they are still there.
I actually thought this review was one of the best I have read.
The nice thing is that performance needs a modification and can vary due to different systems. I should mention that installing one more gig of ram (going from 2 to 3) and installing a sound card has significantly improved my performance.*
Combat is intense, fun, and even a bit complex. You have to know your class and the mob you are attacking to utilize beneficial and damaging combinations of abilities and spells.
*Speaking of sound cards, if you read the original post, the OP has a very advanced sound system. I think purchasing a sound card and perhaps even surround sound speakers is one of the best investments you can make for this game or any game for 1) performance and 2) immersion.
[I also installed another 10k rpm raptor 74gb, not sure if that helped my performance. I do not think so because I just needed more room for UT 3, etc.]
----- WoW and fast food = commercial successes. I neither play WoW nor eat fast food.
The review was certainly very detailed and in depth, but I don't know giving this game 10/10 in any category at the moment is pushing towards biased to me, especially since its definately not polished or complete enough in any shape or form. The Lore/World category a 10/10? I don't know about that either. I played the Kojani starting area and thought being thrown in the middle of a village conflict from the get-go was quite refreshing, but that really wasn't enough. The rest of the game was dull and sparse in terms of Lore, even WoW did a better job of Lore then Vanguard has imho. The combat was a little more in-depth then MMOs previous to it, but not that different or that exciting, especially since you are doing the same unoriginal kill "x no of creatures" quests in every new location you move to. Maybe Vanguard will grow to be a great game in the future as with EQ2, but right now giving it 10/10 in any category in its current state doesn't fit right. The low subscription numbers say everything.
Unbiased review.....hardly. No game out there would qualify for a 10/10 for anything, period. This whole thing screams viral marketing.
With PvE raiding, it has never been a question of being "good enough". I play games to have fun, not to be a simpering toady sitting through hour after hour of mind numbing boredom and fawning over a guild master in the hopes that he will condescend to reward me with shiny bits of loot. But in games where those people get the highest progression, anyone who doesn't do that will just be a moving target for them and I'll be damned if I'm going to pay money for the privilege. - Neanderthal
Unbiased review.....hardly. No game out there would qualify for a 10/10 for anything, period. This whole thing screams viral marketing.
Well, there's one opinion.
I play the game right now, and his review was pretty much ontrack, although I would have rated the performance a 6 or 7 myself. I'm sure this changes from person to person depending on your computer.
Unbiased review.....hardly. No game out there would qualify for a 10/10 for anything, period. This whole thing screams viral marketing.
Well, there's one opinion.
I play the game right now, and his review was pretty much ontrack, although I would have rated the performance a 6 or 7 myself. I'm sure this changes from person to person depending on your computer.
Look at his system specs he listed and his connection. I have a mid computer and can run the game on very high settings without a problem (and I do). I agree with all but one thing you mentioned in here and that is the crafting portion of the game.
Although, it is different than other craftings of all other games out there it still has big issues and problems that they haven't worked on yet such as complications on a level 1 item and you are level 30 or 50 crafter. the high chance of failing on a same level item even when crafted a 100 times using harvested resources.
I would have given it a 6 out of 10 to be honest.
I don't think you hit on the fun part of the game either to be honest which was the harvesting and what it entails. I'll agree though was a good report but with those few discrepencies I listed.
Very nice review. The quality of diplomacy quests and different starting areas also amazed me. I stopped playing Vanguard a month after release though. But then mainly because of the grouping bugs and how certain area chunks could crash you.
A rerelease of this game after a good bug bash, would certainly grab my attention again.
The quality of diplomacy quests and different starting areas also amazed me.
I keep hearing great things about Diplomacy and how you learn about the game's lore through progression in this sphere.
When I have more time, I plan to do a lot more 1) crafting and 2) diplomacy with my alt. The game is different from another MMORPGs, in my view, because of how deep and complex crafting and diplomacy are.
----- WoW and fast food = commercial successes. I neither play WoW nor eat fast food.
So the fact that this game has a working patcher is weighted a 10/10, one tenth of this game's perfect score. Because we all know a pre-game experience is of equal weight as actual gameplay itself..
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I'm not saying they have to do it, it's just one feature that sets Lotro above Vanguard. The story, how npc's react to you, the instanced events bring that game to life and make it far superior to Vanguard in that aspect. So what does Vanguard have that sets it apart? A large lifeless world that's about it. The ability to grind forever on all the assorted little things like crafting workorders, civic diplomacy, faction, repetitive grind quests like the Arena or for schematics by the isle of madness. It's weak in the gameplay department, unless you like monotonous grinding.
I havent played LOTRO and dont ever plan to but what happens if you want to roll alot of alts arent you stuck playing the same linar path that you took with your main . and really bro show me one mmo that isnt about grinding . They all have grinding in one way or another
I'm not saying they have to do it, it's just one feature that sets Lotro above Vanguard. The story, how npc's react to you, the instanced events bring that game to life and make it far superior to Vanguard in that aspect. So what does Vanguard have that sets it apart? A large lifeless world that's about it. The ability to grind forever on all the assorted little things like crafting workorders, civic diplomacy, faction, repetitive grind quests like the Arena or for schematics by the isle of madness. It's weak in the gameplay department, unless you like monotonous grinding.
Ok, if one could just stop to say things like that... does that add to anything really. I can say the same things but using different words about LOTRO, WOW and alot of other games.
There is alot of features in alot of different games that sets them above any other games. And no I would not play LOTRO nor Vanguard because of the future you are mentioning. I doesn't even choose a game according on how much of XP the mobs gives per kill.
You know, not even in LOTRO you have to just look at theworld to progress. You are not saying that LOTRO have quests and story but Vanguard doesn't, do you. You don't like the quests and storys in Vanguard, ok, but that is not the same as there isn't any.
I'm so broke. I can't even pay attention.
"You have the right not to be killed"
Sorry but is english your first language? I'm having problems understanding what you are trying to say.
What I'm saying is that the OP has come on and given a glowing review of Vanguard and that a lot of his review is either BS or shows he's only played a few levels.
Travel much in Vanguard and you will find an largely empty and lifeless world. Do several quests and you will find that the vast majority of quests in Vanguard are cookie cutter brainless go kill x mobs and they'll draw you a map for where to find the mobs. Do diplomacy for awhile you will find its a monotonous grind, do crafting far a bit you'll find the same.
They did fairly well in a few of the starter areas, really well with the starting diplomacy lines, but by level 10 or so the quests become much less interesting and show how rushed sigil was trying to complete the game for launch.
Friend i have a level 34 ranger who is also a level 30 carpenter. I cant see why so many people say "it's a grind" as if that is a bad thing to everyone? why use all these community words? some people actualy like a grind! some people are still playing eq1 now. ok so you dont like it...so go play a game thats not a grind.
say why you dont like a game but let others like a game for thier own reasons. I played the 7 day trial of LOTRO and yes its not long to give a game i admit, but i realised it was really not my cup of tea that's all. Hey others olike it and to them its probably a good game, but for me i like to choose my path and the game was too linear for me. The graphics were polished but colourful and glaring for me. and i didnt like the skill system, it just didnt seem to fit naturaly to me. but thats not because the game is crap...it's because it wasnt for me. You say VG is lifeless, Why? i dont get that. theres things going on everywhere. the citys are busy now and there are not many empty areas and the areas that are empty are usualy in between busy areas so at least us adventurers can have a place to gather our thoughts. you see to me i like a game where i am not some great hero who can kill dragons solo, i like a game where i can explore and choose my own path. Have you ever soloed in VG? have ever grouped in VG? anyone who has experieneced both will know that it's just as fast to level solo as it is to group in VG thats a thing that a lot of people like to see. I soloed to level 30 and since then have been grouping to experience some of the tougher dungeons and it's actualy slowed my levelling down a bit. In vg there are just as many solo quests as there are group quests.
The OP put in a really biased review of the game. he entered the game unbiased but then made an opinion based on his experiences. The same as each of my posts is biased..i like the game so how can i not be. You yourself are being biased as you seem to want to put people of playing the game by telling them why its so bad. me? i couldnt care less whether you play or not. if you play and come onto the halgar server give Tuor a tell and help you out where i can...if you dont play then i hope you are enjoying whatever game you are playing
OK i admit i love this game but i still think maybe the OP was a little too generous. There still needs to be more lore and dynamic content. The graphics,while still above anything else on the market need the textures improving all over telon as they are doing in Khal as we speak. Crafting needs other ways to level. given all this i would give the game a score of 75 out of 100 at its present state.
A very well thought out review. Enjoyable to read and very similar to my thoughts of the game. Well done.
Sorry but is english your first language? I'm having problems understanding what you are trying to say.
I am saying that the are grinding in LOTRO aswell. I am also saying that Vanguyard has quests and storys aswell as LOTRO. And I am saying that even though one may dislike the quests and storys in Vanguard they (the quests and storys) are still there.
What I'm saying is that the OP has come on and given a glowing review of Vanguard and that a lot of his review is either BS or shows he's only played a few levels.
Ok... but it is not like they do not add content.
Travel much in Vanguard and you will find an largely empty and lifeless world.
And if one travels even more one will also see a largely populated and lifefull world. You can't just forget the good areas in the game just because there are bad.
Do several quests and you will find that the vast majority of quests in Vanguard are cookie cutter brainless go kill x mobs and they'll draw you a map for where to find the mobs.
Yeah, but there still is alot of quest that is the opposite.
Do diplomacy for awhile you will find its a monotonous grind, do crafting far a bit you'll find the same.
Yeah there is alot of quests for diplomacy and you have to do something to get experience and instead of grinding boars you grind civic diplomoacy.. And I see it as the grinding in crafting is intentional.
They did fairly well in a few of the starter areas, really well with the starting diplomacy lines, but by level 10 or so the quests become much less interesting and show how rushed sigil was trying to complete the game for launch.
... and they are still adding things to the game. It's wrong to only state what was there at launch. I'm not sying that there is nothing to be added now. But as I said in the beginning of this there is alot of small storys in Vanguard, you don't like them but they are still there.
I'm so broke. I can't even pay attention.
"You have the right not to be killed"
I actually thought this review was one of the best I have read.
The nice thing is that performance needs a modification and can vary due to different systems. I should mention that installing one more gig of ram (going from 2 to 3) and installing a sound card has significantly improved my performance.*
Combat is intense, fun, and even a bit complex. You have to know your class and the mob you are attacking to utilize beneficial and damaging combinations of abilities and spells.
*Speaking of sound cards, if you read the original post, the OP has a very advanced sound system. I think purchasing a sound card and perhaps even surround sound speakers is one of the best investments you can make for this game or any game for 1) performance and 2) immersion.
[I also installed another 10k rpm raptor 74gb, not sure if that helped my performance. I do not think so because I just needed more room for UT 3, etc.]
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WoW and fast food = commercial successes.
I neither play WoW nor eat fast food.
The review was certainly very detailed and in depth, but I don't know giving this game 10/10 in any category at the moment is pushing towards biased to me, especially since its definately not polished or complete enough in any shape or form. The Lore/World category a 10/10? I don't know about that either. I played the Kojani starting area and thought being thrown in the middle of a village conflict from the get-go was quite refreshing, but that really wasn't enough. The rest of the game was dull and sparse in terms of Lore, even WoW did a better job of Lore then Vanguard has imho. The combat was a little more in-depth then MMOs previous to it, but not that different or that exciting, especially since you are doing the same unoriginal kill "x no of creatures" quests in every new location you move to. Maybe Vanguard will grow to be a great game in the future as with EQ2, but right now giving it 10/10 in any category in its current state doesn't fit right. The low subscription numbers say everything.
this game has nothing worth 10/10. Let see how long u stick to this game when everyone else is playing AoC and WAR.
Unbiased review.....hardly. No game out there would qualify for a 10/10 for anything, period. This whole thing screams viral marketing.
With PvE raiding, it has never been a question of being "good enough". I play games to have fun, not to be a simpering toady sitting through hour after hour of mind numbing boredom and fawning over a guild master in the hopes that he will condescend to reward me with shiny bits of loot. But in games where those people get the highest progression, anyone who doesn't do that will just be a moving target for them and I'll be damned if I'm going to pay money for the privilege. - Neanderthal
Well, there's one opinion.
I play the game right now, and his review was pretty much ontrack, although I would have rated the performance a 6 or 7 myself. I'm sure this changes from person to person depending on your computer.
Well, there's one opinion.
I play the game right now, and his review was pretty much ontrack, although I would have rated the performance a 6 or 7 myself. I'm sure this changes from person to person depending on your computer.
Look at his system specs he listed and his connection. I have a mid computer and can run the game on very high settings without a problem (and I do). I agree with all but one thing you mentioned in here and that is the crafting portion of the game.Although, it is different than other craftings of all other games out there it still has big issues and problems that they haven't worked on yet such as complications on a level 1 item and you are level 30 or 50 crafter. the high chance of failing on a same level item even when crafted a 100 times using harvested resources.
I would have given it a 6 out of 10 to be honest.
I don't think you hit on the fun part of the game either to be honest which was the harvesting and what it entails. I'll agree though was a good report but with those few discrepencies I listed.
Very nice review. The quality of diplomacy quests and different starting areas also amazed me. I stopped playing Vanguard a month after release though. But then mainly because of the grouping bugs and how certain area chunks could crash you.
A rerelease of this game after a good bug bash, would certainly grab my attention again.
When I have more time, I plan to do a lot more 1) crafting and 2) diplomacy with my alt. The game is different from another MMORPGs, in my view, because of how deep and complex crafting and diplomacy are.
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WoW and fast food = commercial successes.
I neither play WoW nor eat fast food.
So the fact that this game has a working patcher is weighted a 10/10, one tenth of this game's perfect score. Because we all know a pre-game experience is of equal weight as actual gameplay itself..
really? You're serious?