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WoW to WAR in '08?

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  • PheacePheace Member Posts: 2,408

    Originally posted by Chip194


     
    Originally posted by Scalebane


     
    Originally posted by walker68

    Originally posted by Scalebane


    so what is the point of pve in warhammer?  you see i only so pve and do not care about pvp, if pve is only there in their game to support the pvper's i doubt i will even bother with warhammer.

      You should give Warhammer a try, rvr style of pvp is not the same as pvp in most games. You pvp as a team  the whole realm working togather to obtain a goal.

    i'm gonna try it, but i don't like playing agianst other players i guess, its not that it bothers me if i get beat or anything i used to do a little pvp, but the way players seem to always act makes it not fun at all, i always showed respect if i won and showed them respect when i lost, but nowadays most players i see act like tards. 

     

     

    So now i just PVE, i don't think the attiude of pvper's will change in WAR so thats why i was wondering how PVE would be....i guess i'll see for my self soon, i won't cancel my wow account tho, i think a lot of people will stick with wow becuase of friends and the amount of time they put in and because some people are just loyal to blizzard.

     

    While I'm sure WAR will be similiar to DAOC in this regard it may very well have even improved...

    In Daoc, your opponent could not send you a tell and while they could /emote, they often had little time to do even that, since fighting was fast and furious. No time to sit there and /laugh at someone.  You're often fighting on a large scale, none of this 1 on 1 pvp with your friend, then /point laugh and grief at the same point over and over.  Just no time.  

    Once I died, unless it was a keep siege of sorts, I immediately released my corpse ( and zoned) anyhow.  Few ever had time to /emote gloat after.    RvR is just not the same experience as PvP.

     

     

    You and I must have played very different versions of Dark Age of Camelot then. I remember the countless times that people used to jump on corpses or emote them to death. (Though most my memories are of Old Thindranki where people actually waited for rezzes) That behavior was very present in Daoc.

    Fighting was indeed fast and .... well, fast mostly, some kind of CC that lasted 40 seconds + a few Pbae bangs and it was usually over.

     

     

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  • Chip194Chip194 Member Posts: 56
    Originally posted by Pheace


     
    Originally posted by Chip194


     
    Originally posted by Scalebane


     
    Originally posted by walker68

    Originally posted by Scalebane


    so what is the point of pve in warhammer?  you see i only so pve and do not care about pvp, if pve is only there in their game to support the pvper's i doubt i will even bother with warhammer.

      You should give Warhammer a try, rvr style of pvp is not the same as pvp in most games. You pvp as a team  the whole realm working togather to obtain a goal.

    i'm gonna try it, but i don't like playing agianst other players i guess, its not that it bothers me if i get beat or anything i used to do a little pvp, but the way players seem to always act makes it not fun at all, i always showed respect if i won and showed them respect when i lost, but nowadays most players i see act like tards. 

     

     

    So now i just PVE, i don't think the attiude of pvper's will change in WAR so thats why i was wondering how PVE would be....i guess i'll see for my self soon, i won't cancel my wow account tho, i think a lot of people will stick with wow becuase of friends and the amount of time they put in and because some people are just loyal to blizzard.

     

    While I'm sure WAR will be similiar to DAOC in this regard it may very well have even improved...

    In Daoc, your opponent could not send you a tell and while they could /emote, they often had little time to do even that, since fighting was fast and furious. No time to sit there and /laugh at someone.  You're often fighting on a large scale, none of this 1 on 1 pvp with your friend, then /point laugh and grief at the same point over and over.  Just no time.  

    Once I died, unless it was a keep siege of sorts, I immediately released my corpse ( and zoned) anyhow.  Few ever had time to /emote gloat after.    RvR is just not the same experience as PvP.

     

     

     

    You and I must have played very different versions of Dark Age of Camelot then. I remember the countless times that people used to jump on corpses or emote them to death. (Though most my memories are of Old Thindranki where people actually waited for rezzes) That behavior was very present in Daoc.

    Fighting was indeed fast and .... well, fast mostly, some kind of CC that lasted 40 seconds + a few Pbae bangs and it was usually over.

     

     

    Agreed, we must have played very different games.    I did not have these problems or they didn't make enough impact for me to care.

  • xenogiasxenogias Member Posts: 1,926
    Originally posted by Qark


    I tried some games when i got "bored" of WoW... but since i have developed character there, some online friends its only game i play (except few visits to FPSs)



    I was greatly disapointed with Tabula Rasa, that is pure flop...im waiting to see what will Warhammer deliver...and AOC. 



    Sadly i think that War will be very similar to WoW or better to say i think that WoW will copy everything sucessfull from other games. So i wouldnt be suprised if we see RvR fights (except current BG-s and Arenas)...or played made bases that others will be able to destroy (like in AOC).



    Blizzard have large amount of money to keep WoW customising and fallowing other "fresh" releases untill something really revolucionary come...but i think we will have to wait for that a bit longer.



    That could be the case. Perosnally though you can only do so much in a game before it becomes stale. Even if they add sieges or true RvR eventually people will want something diffrent. WoW is WoW is WoW is WoW regardless of what they "add" to it. Its still going to be raid oriented gear pvp instead of skill based PvP which is what AoC and WAR are shooting for. No one can say yet if they will pull it off though.

  • QarkQark Member Posts: 234

    To be on topic...im sure War will take some players off WoW, same as LOTRO did...some will come back after few months because they will see its same and they have well developed character in WoW or some will stay playing from fresh start...

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  • Bama1267Bama1267 Member UncommonPosts: 1,822

     Most all of the people I talk to on a regular basis are going to try it. I just want to try something new and hopefully better pvp wise. But If Mythic doesnt get it right, me and alot of others will just be right back in WOW or wherever else we came from before WAR.

     I really think Mythic will get it right .....they know by now they cant afford not to.

  • ThebigbopperThebigbopper Member Posts: 114

     I will most likely be checking out War and AOC as i like to try out new games that i feel could be of note. It will have to be an improvement of  significance though to make me play these instead of WOW for good.  If it was only the same then WOW is better because i already have developed characters.

     I really do hope that War is great competition for WOW because the monopoly that Blizzard has now is not good for the general health of mmorpgs.  I really like WOW but am beginning to feel it is stagnating to some degree because the devs have no pressure to change things. Why change when you still have the numbers kind of thing.

     I guess a lot of people don't really know now and until such time as it goes live it would be hard for some to say that they would definately change. Me i will try and have an open mind but i am dubious of any game taking chunks out of WOW's player base. I still remember people coming to these forums saying LOTR would take a lot of WOW's playerbase!....where are they now?.

  • CzzarreCzzarre Member, Newbie CommonPosts: 3,742

    PVE has a role in Warhammer. This game is just a bit different than many other MMORPGs people have played (WoW for instance).

    WAR will be a PvP based game. Meaning the game has PvP at its core, then builds the PVE up around and to support it. PVE will definitly have a place and will be well thought out / substantial portion of the game content. HOwever,  it wont be the primary focus of what  defines this game. END Game is thought of in terms of PvP accomplishments.

    PVE Games, like WoW , are done in the opposite fashion. The core of the game is PVE, what defines the game is PVE. There is PvP, and a lot of work and effort went into this aspect, but it isnt what defines the game. End Game is thought of in terms of PVE accomplishments.

    Hope this helps

    Torrential

  • EuthorusEuthorus Member Posts: 491

     

    Originally posted by psujdog


    I played Wow, loved it but didn't have enough time to spend on it.  Thinking about getting into a new game at a more hardcore v. casual level, probably Warhammer online, and hope it is everything WoW is with better PvP.  To all the hardcore WoW players out there...are you looking forward to Warhammer?   Will it live up to WoW's standard?  (apologies to anyone who thinks this is on the wrong forum....I really want to hear what the WoW players think in particular...)

     

    LMAO - you really got it backwards. Considering WoW ripped 90% of its world, characters, art and feel from Warhammer universe it is WoW that hasnt really lived up to Warhammer's standard.

    And speaking of WAR PvE - if anyone who played DAOC back in the day participated in a Dragon raid. they will know EXACTLY what role PvE will play. I remember being in a raid comprising 300 Hibs, 180 Albs and some 90 Mids all banging the same dragon while trying to pick off stragglers from the *other* guys - now that required some brains to stay alive in

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  • PheacePheace Member Posts: 2,408

    Originally posted by Euthorus


     
    Originally posted by psujdog


    I played Wow, loved it but didn't have enough time to spend on it.  Thinking about getting into a new game at a more hardcore v. casual level, probably Warhammer online, and hope it is everything WoW is with better PvP.  To all the hardcore WoW players out there...are you looking forward to Warhammer?   Will it live up to WoW's standard?  (apologies to anyone who thinks this is on the wrong forum....I really want to hear what the WoW players think in particular...)

     

    LMAO - you really got it backwards. Considering WoW ripped 90% of its world, characters, art and feel from Warhammer universe it is WoW that hasnt really lived up to Warhammer's standard.

    And speaking of WAR PvE - if anyone who played DAOC back in the day participated in a Dragon raid. they will know EXACTLY what role PvE will play. I remember being in a raid comprising 300 Hibs, 180 Albs and some 90 Mids all banging the same dragon while trying to pick off stragglers from the *other* guys - now that required some brains to stay alive in

     

    I'm sorry to burst your bubble but in *every* single way except artistically and the focus of the class skills Warhammer is copying from WoW and all the other MMO predecessors and *not* the tabletop game. Unless you played a tabletop game like most MMO's out there recently.

     

    Warhammer Tabletop is not a MMO, it wasn't back when Blizzard stole/copied the art/lore. WoW released a MMOrpg and now Warhammer is releasing a MMOrpg with extreme similarities to WoW (and the previous Mmorpgs of which WoW was a copy) and practically *no* similarities to WArhammer tabletop gaming(Mechanics wise) and somehow people still pretend to themselves Warhammer isn't copying from WoW(and the rest)?

     

    I laugh at you people ^^ Yes the style was stolen, the idea ends there.

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  • majinantmajinant Member UncommonPosts: 418

    Originally posted by Pheace


     
    Originally posted by Euthorus


     
    Originally posted by psujdog


    I played Wow, loved it but didn't have enough time to spend on it.  Thinking about getting into a new game at a more hardcore v. casual level, probably Warhammer online, and hope it is everything WoW is with better PvP.  To all the hardcore WoW players out there...are you looking forward to Warhammer?   Will it live up to WoW's standard?  (apologies to anyone who thinks this is on the wrong forum....I really want to hear what the WoW players think in particular...)

     

    LMAO - you really got it backwards. Considering WoW ripped 90% of its world, characters, art and feel from Warhammer universe it is WoW that hasnt really lived up to Warhammer's standard.

    And speaking of WAR PvE - if anyone who played DAOC back in the day participated in a Dragon raid. they will know EXACTLY what role PvE will play. I remember being in a raid comprising 300 Hibs, 180 Albs and some 90 Mids all banging the same dragon while trying to pick off stragglers from the *other* guys - now that required some brains to stay alive in

     

     

    I'm sorry to burst your bubble but in *every* single way except artistically and the focus of the class skills Warhammer is copying from WoW and all the other MMO predecessors and *not* the tabletop game. Unless you played a tabletop game like most MMO's out there recently.

     

    Warhammer Tabletop is not a MMO, it wasn't back when Blizzard stole/copied the art/lore. WoW released a MMOrpg and now Warhammer is releasing a MMOrpg with extreme similarities to WoW (and the previous Mmorpgs of which WoW was a copy) and practically *no* similarities to WArhammer tabletop gaming(Mechanics wise) and somehow people still pretend to themselves Warhammer isn't copying from WoW(and the rest)?

     

    I laugh at you people ^^ Yes the style was stolen, the idea ends there.

    Gotta be quick because I need to go.

    What you said there doen't change the fact WoW stole it. You can't say Warhammer is copying wow, when they are using art/lore that they created.

    Wow stole it, end of story.



  • NadiaNadia Member UncommonPosts: 11,798

    I have no clue what WAR is like

    but I assume Mythic will borrow heavily from DAOC (their former MMO) more than anything else

  • ltdarythltdaryth Member Posts: 15

    Warhammer Fantasy Role Playing Game(Published 1986) was around long before World of Warcraft. It actually is a role playing game, not a table top battle game. I'd be more likely to believe that this is where the ideas for Warhammer Online came from and a lot of WoW's influences.

    Here's a link for your info.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warhammer_Fantasy_Roleplay

    It also a great idea to research your claims before you post them.

     

  • PheacePheace Member Posts: 2,408

    Originally posted by majinant


     
    Originally posted by Pheace


     
    Originally posted by Euthorus


     
    Originally posted by psujdog


    I played Wow, loved it but didn't have enough time to spend on it.  Thinking about getting into a new game at a more hardcore v. casual level, probably Warhammer online, and hope it is everything WoW is with better PvP.  To all the hardcore WoW players out there...are you looking forward to Warhammer?   Will it live up to WoW's standard?  (apologies to anyone who thinks this is on the wrong forum....I really want to hear what the WoW players think in particular...)

     

    LMAO - you really got it backwards. Considering WoW ripped 90% of its world, characters, art and feel from Warhammer universe it is WoW that hasnt really lived up to Warhammer's standard.

    And speaking of WAR PvE - if anyone who played DAOC back in the day participated in a Dragon raid. they will know EXACTLY what role PvE will play. I remember being in a raid comprising 300 Hibs, 180 Albs and some 90 Mids all banging the same dragon while trying to pick off stragglers from the *other* guys - now that required some brains to stay alive in

     

     

    I'm sorry to burst your bubble but in *every* single way except artistically and the focus of the class skills Warhammer is copying from WoW and all the other MMO predecessors and *not* the tabletop game. Unless you played a tabletop game like most MMO's out there recently.

     

    Warhammer Tabletop is not a MMO, it wasn't back when Blizzard stole/copied the art/lore. WoW released a MMOrpg and now Warhammer is releasing a MMOrpg with extreme similarities to WoW (and the previous Mmorpgs of which WoW was a copy) and practically *no* similarities to WArhammer tabletop gaming(Mechanics wise) and somehow people still pretend to themselves Warhammer isn't copying from WoW(and the rest)?

     

    I laugh at you people ^^ Yes the style was stolen, the idea ends there.

    Gotta be quick because I need to go.

     

    What you said there doen't change the fact WoW stole it. You can't say Warhammer is copying wow, when they are using art/lore that they created.

    Wow stole it, end of story.

     

    Well keep sticking to your one track line of thought then, what I'm saying is they both did, if you can't see that it's beyond me to explain to you.

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  • ThunderQThunderQ Member Posts: 16

    I think that some WoW players might go over to War but once WoW has WotLK out some of those WoW players will probably come back and more players might  come to WoW from other games so War  will only be a wait for WotLK for some people

  • jimmy123jimmy123 Member UncommonPosts: 314

    WAR should be a better game, im not saying it will be but WoW has set the standard so all WAR has to do is listen to what the WoW players grumble about and improve.  Imo i think it will be a simliar game but more PvP oreintated and more of a sense of GOOD v EVIL.   Theres gonner be alot more choice in WAR more chioce on how you design your character skills and more choice in the way that they look..... eg the higher lvl your character the bigger he gets. Die diffrent colors to your armour, trinkets, rings,trophies can also be displayed on you.

    With WoW being such a success i dont think WAR can go wrong, im hopeing WAR is gonner be everythink ive been looking for in a MMORPG, Did love WoW but the PvP got to be such a grind i got bored of it and i do like my PvP.

    Plus with WAR coming out in another 6 months time im sure the graphics in dx10 will look super duper

  • PheacePheace Member Posts: 2,408

    Originally posted by jimmy123


    WAR should be a better game, im not saying it will be but WoW has set the standard so all WAR has to do is listen to what the WoW players grumble about and improve.  Imo i think it will be a simliar game but more PvP oreintated and more of a sense of GOOD v EVIL.   Theres gonner be alot more choice in WAR more chioce on how you design your character skills and more choice in the way that they look..... eg the higher lvl your character the bigger he gets. Die diffrent colors to your armour, trinkets, rings,trophies can also be displayed on you.
    With WoW being such a success i dont think WAR can go wrong, im hopeing WAR is gonner be everythink ive been looking for in a MMORPG, Did love WoW but the PvP got to be such a grind i got bored of it and i do like my PvP.
    Plus with WAR coming out in another 6 months time im sure the graphics in dx10 will look super duper

     

    Are they making it in DX10?

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  • jimmy123jimmy123 Member UncommonPosts: 314

    WAR will run on a DX10 graphic engine ill bet my house on it.

  • whitedelightwhitedelight Member Posts: 1,544

    That is a very bold statement Jimmy. Would just like to point out that graphics =/= great gameplay. Look at half of the PS3 titles, or Vanguard for example.

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  • Omega3Omega3 Member Posts: 398

    Originally posted by TheFonzV2.0

    Originally posted by igniz


    From their own community forums it would seem that there are a number expecting to part ways with WoW when WAR comes along, how much is a different thing, but WAR has it's own following anyway.
    I was thinking of moving to WAR - until I realised much of the undesireable element of WoW would be migrating.
    I.E. WAR is going to inheret a lot of kids.

    They'll get bored in a month and migrate to a different game, it always happens, you just gotta ride through the waves till you reach the shore.

    WAR will be a game with a ladder-type system encouraging players to PvP and accumulate as many points as possible.

    This kind of system wil attract FPS/RTS players; those players will be teenagers.

     

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    >> Current status : done with MMO, too old for that crap.

  • whitedelightwhitedelight Member Posts: 1,544

    WAR will attract MMORPG players from games such as Dark Age of Camelot which, during the time I played, had a very nice community.

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  • NadiaNadia Member UncommonPosts: 11,798

    Originally posted by jimmy123

    WAR should be a better game, im not saying it will be but WoW has set the standard so all WAR has to do is listen to what the WoW players grumble about and improve.
    I disagree

     

    WoW set the standard for any MMO that wants to cater to EVERYONE

    - WAR is not that kind of game

  • PheacePheace Member Posts: 2,408

    Originally posted by whitedelight


    WAR will attract MMORPG players from games such as Dark Age of Camelot which, during the time I played, had a very nice community.

     

    Well, if people weren't nice they got kicked out of the guilds which meant "no crosszone" communication pretty much. There were a lot of measures to keep the community in check that I don't see in games anymore, I doubt we'll see that limitation in WAR either :S

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  • dinanm3atldinanm3atl Member Posts: 215

    Originally posted by Pheace


    There's no way to tell yet.
     
     "Will it live up to WoW's standard?"
     
    I don't think so. I just don't have that much faith in Mythic after spending several years playing their previous Mmorpg


    What is the "WoW Standard"?

     

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  • sunjenkweisunjenkwei Member Posts: 133

    Originally posted by jimmy123


    WAR will run on a DX10 graphic engine ill bet my house on it.
    ill bet against you

    Hehe.. the hosue IS MINE!

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  • sunjenkweisunjenkwei Member Posts: 133
    Originally posted by dinanm3atl


     
    Originally posted by Pheace


    There's no way to tell yet.
     
     "Will it live up to WoW's standard?"
     
    I don't think so. I just don't have that much faith in Mythic after spending several years playing their previous Mmorpg


     

    What is the "WoW Standard"?

     

    Immature people with 90% of Horde BE?

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