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lorndarken
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ok, this is about the endless thread after thread about , why are there no stealthers classes in warhammer.
im pretty sure people on here allready mentioned that the people in the majority for warhammer do not want stealth, so please let this be the last of the , "" why cant warhammer have a stealth class"""" thread because its been explained over and over and over , and all you stealther wanting people are ignoring our answeres.
so just stop ok, there will be no stealth in warhammer ,if you dont like the fact that there will be no stealth in war, well go cry or something but not here, heres a cookie 
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Or we can continue to explain to people who ask why it isn't needed in this style of game, rather than coming off as rude to the rest of the gaming community ^_^
You can only explain a concept to folk so many times. Eventually, it becomes obvious you're just not getting through to them. So you have to get their attention another way. It's as Kevin Spacey said: "To get people's attention, you can't just tap them on the shoulder anymore. You have to hit them with a sledgehammer." Or in this case, a Warhammer (haha i made a funny). But then again, all the people crying about no stealth already know the reasons why, they're just whining for whinings sake. Butthurt Disorder has become the #1 cause of hate among gamers. I too generally favor stealth classes, but i have better things to do then cry about it. It's just a game after all.
too many spaces in your sentences.
Anyways. Apparently.. the people who don't want it included will tell you that it doesn't have any place in the lore of the game. You can't place invisible units on the table. It's impossible for someone to hide in the middle of a field, with the sun shining down on them. Those are all plausible examples. Mostly though, these people are the ones who have spent their life being too careless and cautious, then end up being ganked by a stealth class. Then, when they see what they did wrong, they purposely ignore it and get killed again. It's the ignorant and the non-confrontational that often offer this opinion. Even I have been killed by a stealther.. it's just part of the game. Take the proper precautions, don't pull 5 mobs. Take a friend. Take a group. I just can't stand whiners.
I've never played a game without any form of stealth. What I mean by that is.. any MMORPG. That doesn't mean it can't work, I just haven't been able to experience it before. I want stealth in the game. Maybe not a hide in plan sight kind of stealth.. but at least a way to scout undetected. Either way, I'll be playing, and playing well. Stealth or not, the game will be good.
Many people like stealth, why is it so bad? Oh, I see. YOU don't like it, therefor it should not exist.
Want proof that the majority wants it? Look at World of Warcraft, what was the most popular class again? Oh yeah, the rogue.
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I've been on both sides of the fence. I still like the ganker.
It doesn't work. Rogue may be the most popular class, but there are more people playing non-stealth classes than there are playing stealth classes.
Also, just because there are no stealthers in Warhammer, doesnt mean there never will be. I think its smart that they are not putting in stealthers at this time. they will have a lot to balance out after release. After a while, when they have things under control they may very well add a stealth class (or 6).
Torrential
Torrential: DAOC (Pendragon)
Awned: World of Warcraft (Lothar)
Torren: Warhammer Online (Praag)
Too many spaces ?
Why , what ever do you
mean ?
Maybe your right, which is why Night Elves are the most popular race, because they can all stealth? Quick, some one go see which race is the most popular and this guy may have a point.
<2 hours later>
Yep, it's true, it was proven that Night Elves are the most popular race. Unfortunately it was due to the fact all the other races were butt ugly and that it had nothing to do with inate racial abilities.
Sarcasm ftw!@Netzoko- Or it could be WoW is full of Kiddies who wanted to play the overall most powerfull class for pvp. If you like WoW pvp stay in WoW you wont like it here or in AoC/TCoS.
Maybe they should take a look at Shadowbane
Just like the other poster who argues that people who hate stealthers do so because they can't or won't adjust to the playstyle when they in fact need to adjust to not having stealth you have to accept that either standpoint is an opinion and the whole issue is moot since the game won't have stealth, at least not at launch.
its a good thing that stealth is not in WAR, as soon as i heard it was not to be in there i thought "great" not because i have been ganked too many times in the past by stealthers (even tho i have and it made me quit wow a long time ago being constantly 1-2 shotted by druids and rogues) its because there wont be a single class that is overplayed (like the rogue is in wow) and hopefully this will help with more balanced teams instead of ganksquads going round ambushing peeps to death even if they are in a huge group, when u get a few good stealth classes all in the same group, it is very very hard to kill them and it is very easy for them to kill a much larger force then what they have, for the simple fact that they cheep out, they kill the first few, disapear opening move the next few and so on rinse and repeat, till the people getting beat on leave the area or log out because they have no chance to retaliate. mythic have my vote for a good thing keeping cheep ass burgulars out of WAR
Instead of trying to balance stealth, they just took it out altogether. Which is a poor solution
Thats why I am looking forward to AOC more than WAR
not ever in any mmorpg, a stealth class has been balenced. and this is a stated fact, the sheer advantage of being a stealther give you such a hugh tool but allows you to sneak into areas , other wise = your own death. now seeing other classes even trying what a stealther may have is suicide.
name one game where stealth or inviss was balenced.
im waiting !!!!
<buzzer goes off > there is none. nota , no game ever were stealth classes could be balneced.
and you are asking for mythic to make a game that can balence stealth ?????
this is the same company that has yet to still get it right in terms of balence with stealther classes.
no stealth in war means a great thing for everyone eles.
Ive played stealth classes in many games and they are never balanced. If you can go in stealth and get your opponent to around 10% before he knows your even there your overpowered. If you cant kill your opponent quick then the class who doesnt rely on stealth can easily overpower you.
I don't really think its a lore issue but like others have said, a balance issue. I LOVE my stealthers, but even I have to admit they have got to be a pain in the ass to balance against other classes.
So they simply cut them out. I wasn't overly joyed about hearing that, but I can live without playing a stealther. WAR looks like it will be fun.
That and not playing a stealther will eventually force me to look for friends instead of soloing and ganking my way to the top, heh.
D.
(note: I pretty much hunted other stealthers. Killing xp'ers is pretty lame unless you're doing it to get other peeps out looking for you.)
Stealth was very balanced in shadowbane. Rogues did less damage than other classes, so they couldn't kill fighters or healers. They could only kill mages. So rogues spent most of their time killing each other.
Stealth was very balanced in shadowbane. Rogues did less damage than other classes, so they couldn't kill fighters or healers. They could only kill mages. So rogues spent most of their time killing each other.
That's not balanced, that's a broken system lol
That's not balanced, that's a broken system lol
Actually it was very balanced. Giving the them stealth, but doing less damage was a perfect balance
They could easily add some sort of stealth in the first exansion. Look at the available player races remaining. Skaven... Woodelves... (oh and bretonnia and lizard men, but who cares about them).
jk about the lizardmen. they would be cool, but not AS cool as the skaven.
Shadowbane /was/ a fun game. I also felt it was really balanced.
You can easily get along without stealthing around. I would think if you feel so strongly about wanting to stay undetected...then it is purely for wanting to gank others, because groups can get along just fine without a stealther.
I would also like to point out that, yes, WoW has alot of rogues. But, I think you forgot to mention how many 'farmers' are rogues...and I most certainly would not cry over a game that took out an aspect that makes a class the "most preferred" to gold farmers who spam me with "please buy".
Is there stealth in Guild Wars? I didn't play the game very long (not because it wasn't fun) and never got around to trying out all of the class combinations. I don't remember it being there though, and I know Guild Wars has a fairly decent player base.
hmm, something else... ... ... ~meow~
Not sure if this has been posted befor
But as far as i remember the only thing close to a stealth class is the Dark Elves assassins. I know they have already strayed kinda far from lore with the sorcs but i cant see how they can play out stealth classes on both sides.
The fact of the matter is that stealth will not be in WAR at release so any discussion on the matter is only that. Mythic isn't changing it's stance so complain about it if it makes you feel better but understand that nothing you say is going to change Mythic's mind.
That's not balanced, that's a broken system lol
Rogues who can only kill mages, and get stomped by fighters and healers, so they end up just fighting each other to avoid the other classes. That sounds pretty broken to me. I'm not saying they should beat everyone(far from it). But to basically make rogues only roll to fight rogues and one typoe of class, and have no other use is bad.Actually it was very balanced. Giving the them stealth, but doing less damage was a perfect balance
In war, every class is designed to have it's weak spots, but no class will ever be put into a small % of the actual battles, and should be involved in the group, helping the group with whoever they are attacking.
The "take out that one guy running by himself" just won't be that lucrative for rogues. unless He kamikazes mages and then dies when people attack him.