And R&B. Remember, Rap and Rock are almost the same. Don't hate or me and Methane will have to settle with you...again in the 50th music topic.
Yeah, man. Just like classical and punk. You'd have to be an idiot to not see the connection.
Wow I must be half retarted then..
"Let's take it to the streets cuz I'm ready to cruise
Just bought me and my cars all some brand new shoes"
Wow. So like Nike bought up Goodyear? Didn't see that one coming.
Wow, then no offence, but your poetry must be off as well. Do you know what a Simile is?
Comparing cheeks to roses, because the cheeks are red as roses. Comparing sneakers and tires becuase they are both the SAME.
Shoe: any of various devices that are inserted in or run along a track or groove to guide a movement, provide a contact or friction grip, or protect against wear, damage, or slipping
So tires are the "shoes" of a car. Such comparisons are also used in many different music genres including Metal, Rock, Country, Rap, Hip-Hip, Jazz and Punk.
-Nice rhyme ludacris thats some clever stuff
"The pot holes in the street just bentcha rims
Tell me whatcha gon do? ACT A FOOL"
That like almost kinda made sense, but the L on the FOO threw me off.
???
Tell me you wern't being serious man. I can see the comparision in all music, but there is BAD artist in a genre that could mess up the whole thing you know. Why don't you just ask me, because I see if and if you don't like a paticular kind of music, I'm sure you wouldn't bother to take a good look at it. Sorry for my spelling and grammar.
Guitar work's alright. Sort of reminds me of the music from the original Doom. I never got into the whole constant screaming thing though.
"Put your foot where your mouth is." - Wisdom from my grandfather "Paper or plastic? ... because I'm afraid I'll have to suffocate you unless you put this bag on your head..." - Ethnitrek AC1: Wierding from Harvestgain
And R&B. Remember, Rap and Rock are almost the same. Don't hate or me and Methane will have to settle with you...again in the 50th music topic.
Yeah, man. Just like classical and punk. You'd have to be an idiot to not see the connection.
Just my thoughts...
The connection between rap and rock, is that whenever rap something that goes beyond a simple computer generized beat, it's usually stolen from rock. Same goes for techno.
Btw I rarely see a point in discussion why some genres suck. People should just listen to whatever they like. Musical preference is of course subjective.
Some statements do call for a discussion(such as my favorite ignorant statement "Metal is just loud noise" that usually comes from some technotard)
Just stop bitching about music that you know nothing about, ok? Stuff like this makes you look stupid.
There's a lot to know in order to produce music, but what it boils down to is you either like how it sounds or you don't. I mean, you can use some book knowledge. However, I don't place a great deal of emphasis on listening to artists who have a degree in music rather than those who don't. Personal preference. Not a big deal.
"Put your foot where your mouth is." - Wisdom from my grandfather "Paper or plastic? ... because I'm afraid I'll have to suffocate you unless you put this bag on your head..." - Ethnitrek AC1: Wierding from Harvestgain
Tell me you wern't being serious man. I can see the comparision in all music, but there is BAD artist in a genre that could mess up the whole thing you know. Why don't you just ask me, because I see if and if you don't like a paticular kind of music, I'm sure you wouldn't bother to take a good look at it. Sorry for my spelling and grammar.
So your saying that when I chose lyrics from ludacris that he is a bad artist and representation of what rap is? Thats bologna because he is a VERY popular rap icon and so thats why I chose him. Anyways lets just end this cause its not like were getting anywhere and its ruining the thread. Thats just how I see rap and so dont take it too seriously. For the record I am NOT racist if anybody is thinking that my favorite bands lead singer is of that race.
Tell me you wern't being serious man. I can see the comparision in all music, but there is BAD artist in a genre that could mess up the whole thing you know. Why don't you just ask me, because I see if and if you don't like a paticular kind of music, I'm sure you wouldn't bother to take a good look at it. Sorry for my spelling and grammar.
So your saying that when I chose lyrics from ludacris that he is a bad artist and representation of what rap is? Thats bologna because he is a VERY popular rap icon and so thats why I chose him. Anyways lets just end this cause its not like were getting anywhere and its ruining the thread. Thats just how I see rap and so dont take it too seriously. For the record I am NOT racist if anybody is thinking that my favorite bands lead singer is of that race.
I dont mind them actually, im not really usually a big death metal fan but I like lamb of god
Btw I forgot to mention Dio as one of my favorites, he invented metal!
I'm not saying that, I'm talking in general of any rapper or artist because in every music topic stirs such commotion about music that people don't like, don't care to like and don't care to learn. And just because you don't like rap don't mean your racist. It's just the genre.
And R&B. Remember, Rap and Rock are almost the same. Don't hate or me and Methane will have to settle with you...again in the 50th music topic.
Yeah, man. Just like classical and punk. You'd have to be an idiot to not see the connection.
Just my thoughts...
The connection between rap and rock, is that whenever rap something that goes beyond a simple computer generized beat, it's usually stolen from rock. Same goes for techno.
Btw I rarely see a point in discussion why some genres suck. People should just listen to whatever they like. Musical preference is of course subjective.
Some statements do call for a discussion(such as my favorite ignorant statement "Metal is just loud noise" that usually comes from some technotard)
Just stop bitching about music that you know nothing about, ok? Stuff like this makes you look stupid.
That doesn't prove him wrong at all...At least the Vetnam song doesn't...it's a highly repetetive drum beat with some high pitched chanting that loops in thebackground while some guy raps about Vietnam. DOn't get me wrong, I like some rap, when it has actual meaning other than the "bitches and hos" crap that is so popular these days. I do, however, F'ing hate techno, and i find it offensive that people call that stuff music. Music is supposed to be artistic, and it's supposed to have meaning, techno is just meaningless garbage mashed together in an attempt to make something that sounds sort of cool. Can you dance to it? Sure...is there deeper meaning beyond all the beeps and whistles? Only if you are on LSD.
Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.
What's funny is that most older black people despise rap music too. Ask any of the generation that basically invented modern style music in the 50s (Berry, Richard, King, Diddley etc.) and they all agree that rap music isn't really music at all.
While I'm personally willing to accept rap or techno as a musical style, I don't really get why so many people listen to it nowadays. The only thing that might be of any significance in rap music, the lyrics, could just as easily be expressed in a rock song, but that would require a small amount of musical understanding i guess. Techno on the other hand is, like todays' popular music in general, the music that appeals to the unmusical masses. All it requires to be enjoyed is some easily consumed drugs really.
Since the music of the last decades was looked down upon initially too i'm willing to accept these new styles, although i hope people will realize how shallow they are and instead turn to real music, which might require a little commitment to be enjoyed at first but is immensely more rewarding once that initial barrier is overcome.
And R&B. Remember, Rap and Rock are almost the same. Don't hate or me and Methane will have to settle with you...again in the 50th music topic.
Yeah, man. Just like classical and punk. You'd have to be an idiot to not see the connection.
Just my thoughts...
The connection between rap and rock, is that whenever rap something that goes beyond a simple computer generized beat, it's usually stolen from rock. Same goes for techno.
Btw I rarely see a point in discussion why some genres suck. People should just listen to whatever they like. Musical preference is of course subjective.
Some statements do call for a discussion(such as my favorite ignorant statement "Metal is just loud noise" that usually comes from some technotard)
Just stop bitching about music that you know nothing about, ok? Stuff like this makes you look stupid.
That doesn't prove him wrong at all...At least the Vetnam song doesn't...it's a highly repetetive drum beat with some high pitched chanting that loops in thebackground while some guy raps about Vietnam. DOn't get me wrong, I like some rap, when it has actual meaning other than the "bitches and hos" crap that is so popular these days. I do, however, F'ing hate techno, and i find it offensive that people call that stuff music. Music is supposed to be artistic, and it's supposed to have meaning, techno is just meaningless garbage mashed together in an attempt to make something that sounds sort of cool. Can you dance to it? Sure...is there deeper meaning beyond all the beeps and whistles? Only if you are on LSD.
Exactly(about both parts )
Aphex, compare the musical knoweldge needed to create music like that to something like:
I'm not going to go through the differences in musical terms as that would only make me come across as an arrogant dick, but anyone who knows just some musical theory, knows that rap is often a technical simple genre.
And R&B. Remember, Rap and Rock are almost the same. Don't hate or me and Methane will have to settle with you...again in the 50th music topic.
Yeah, man. Just like classical and punk. You'd have to be an idiot to not see the connection.
Just my thoughts...
The connection between rap and rock, is that whenever rap something that goes beyond a simple computer generized beat, it's usually stolen from rock. Same goes for techno.
Btw I rarely see a point in discussion why some genres suck. People should just listen to whatever they like. Musical preference is of course subjective.
Some statements do call for a discussion(such as my favorite ignorant statement "Metal is just loud noise" that usually comes from some technotard)
Just stop bitching about music that you know nothing about, ok? Stuff like this makes you look stupid.
That doesn't prove him wrong at all...At least the Vetnam song doesn't...it's a highly repetetive drum beat with some high pitched chanting that loops in thebackground while some guy raps about Vietnam. DOn't get me wrong, I like some rap, when it has actual meaning other than the "bitches and hos" crap that is so popular these days. I do, however, F'ing hate techno, and i find it offensive that people call that stuff music. Music is supposed to be artistic, and it's supposed to have meaning, techno is just meaningless garbage mashed together in an attempt to make something that sounds sort of cool. Can you dance to it? Sure...is there deeper meaning beyond all the beeps and whistles? Only if you are on LSD.
Exactly(about both parts )
Aphex, compare the musical knoweldge needed to create music like that to something like:
I'm not going to go through the differences in musical terms as that would only make me come across as an arrogant dick, but anyone who knows just some musical theory, knows that rap is often a technical simple genre.
I agree that the beat in the Jedi Mind Tricks track is repetitive, but that's not necessarily a bad point. In a track like that, both the lyrics and the flow are the main thing and it's both great in the track. I dare to say that if it had been a rock track backed with guitar riffs and more complex drums, the lyrics and message would have gone lost in that.
Also, my name comes from Aphex Twin, a "Techno" artist (Techno is just a subgenre of electronic music, calling all of it Techno is the same as calling everything with guitars rock) that is insanely talented and has inspired big artists in tons of genres. The Dillinger Escape Plan has covered his track "Come to daddy", Philip Glass (and several lesser known orchestra's) has made a classical version of one of "ICCT Hedral" and Radiohead already said that he was one of their main inspirations for their later albums (such as Kid A).
There are other artists in electronic music that make stuff that's technically easilly as complex as that Metallica track (I'd even say much more so) but it's not the stuff you see on MTV. Just look at the Warp Records label to get an idea of it.
Even though i am a guiatrist who has been brought up on a fairly strict rock diet (although i play jazz and classical as well) I have never understood the arguments against 'techno' being music. There is, literaly, no difference in playing either instrument. All techno does is try to mash together beeps and whistles to make somethig sound good. Well all guitarists, bassists, violinist, pianist, any other tuned instrument, even drums try to do is mash A,A#,B,C,C#,D,D#,E,F,F#,G together, thats it, thats ALL we have, 11 notes, yes we have octaves, but we still only have 11notes (in the western world, but the argument still applies to quarter tones). We use these notes and timing, accents, volume and rhythm in the exact same way a 'techno' artist does. Remember, its not like a techno artist cant throw a rhythm in C with a melody in Gminor. Likewise they cant mix a beat in 4/4 with a rhythm in 3/4. These are things both artists learn (whether conciously or subconciously). Personally, i like all music except Country and Western and most of modern R&B. Just not my thing. But my argument comes from the fact that i screw around with recording at home (one man band type deal) so i have experienced the difficulties of composing a electronic song. Which are no different than me sitting with my guitar trying to come up with a riff. Actually i use precisely the same workflow. Favorite Bands-
Pink Floyd
Led Zepplin
Tool
Metallica
Yngwie Malmsteen (cant stand him lyrically though)
The Beatles
Count Basie
Duke Elington
Underworld
The Prodigy
Aphex Twin
The Police (who i get to see live on my 27th birthday next month)
The Eagles (Yes.... i know, exceptions always exist :P)
and 80s Rap (selectively As you can see, im all over the place :P
First of all we have 12 notes. You forgot G#. 12th fret is an octave above.
Now let me ask you this. How many of the popular techno composers, consider chord progression and scale accompaniment to their rhythms?
You are correct though. An electronic composer CAN choose to create inventive music if he/she has the musical knoweldge. But the fact is, and you pretty much gotta agree with me on this, most of the techno people like, is monotone beats with boring computer effects and/or stolen guitar riffs that has gone through a computer polish.
12 Notes might not seem like a lot. But then consider the sheer amount of scales we have. Consider the sheer amount of chords. There's a lot.
Also, playing great guitar takes so much more skill and practice than to... press the start button on a computer.
Aphex: I'm not saying all rock and all techno suck. It's just that the popular tracks some of my friends listen too are so simplistic with horrible lyrics, that I simply can't understand why it has become popular.
I have heard some truly creative and talented rap and techno, but it's just not what has become popular among people... and that's a shame.
"Put your foot where your mouth is." - Wisdom from my grandfather "Paper or plastic? ... because I'm afraid I'll have to suffocate you unless you put this bag on your head..." - Ethnitrek AC1: Wierding from Harvestgain
Even though i am a guiatrist who has been brought up on a fairly strict rock diet (although i play jazz and classical as well) I have never understood the arguments against 'techno' being music. There is, literaly, no difference in playing either instrument.
All techno does is try to mash together beeps and whistles to make somethig sound good. Well all guitarists, bassists, violinist, pianist, any other tuned instrument, even drums try to do is mash A,A#,B,C,C#,D,D#,E,F,F#,G together, thats it, thats ALL we have, 11 notes, yes we have octaves, but we still only have 11notes (in the western world, but the argument still applies to quarter tones). We use these notes and timing, accents, volume and rhythm in the exact same way a 'techno' artist does. Remember, its not like a techno artist cant throw a rhythm in C with a melody in Gminor. Likewise they cant mix a beat in 4/4 with a rhythm in 3/4. These are things both artists learn (whether conciously or subconciously).
Personally, i like all music except Country and Western and most of modern R&B. Just not my thing. But my argument comes from the fact that i screw around with recording at home (one man band type deal) so i have experienced the difficulties of composing a electronic song. Which are no different than me sitting with my guitar trying to come up with a riff. Actually i use precisely the same workflow.
Favorite Bands-
Pink Floyd
Led Zepplin
Tool
Metallica
Yngwie Malmsteen (cant stand him lyrically though)
The Beatles
Count Basie
Duke Elington
Underworld
The Prodigy
Aphex Twin
The Police (who i get to see live on my 27th birthday next month)
The Eagles (Yes.... i know, exceptions always exist :P)
and 80s Rap (selectively
As you can see, im all over the place :P
First of all we have 12 notes. You forgot G#. 12th fret is an octave above.
Now let me ask you this. How many of the popular techno composers, consider chord progression and scale accompaniment to their rhythms?
You are correct though. An electronic composer CAN choose to create inventive music if he/she has the musical knoweldge. But the fact is, and you pretty much gotta agree with me on this, most of the techno people like, is monotone beats with boring computer effects and/or stolen guitar riffs that has gone through a computer polish.
12 Notes might not seem like a lot. But then consider the sheer amount of scales we have. Consider the sheer amount of chords. There's a lot.
Also, playing great guitar takes so much more skill and practice than to... press the start button on a computer.
Aphex: I'm not saying all rock and all techno suck. It's just that the popular tracks some of my friends listen too are so simplistic with horrible lyrics, that I simply can't understand why it has become popular.
I have heard some truly creative and talented rap and techno, but it's just not what has become popular among people... and that's a shame.
Meh, how did i miss that, yet i picked up the mistake of saying Cmajor and Aminor wouldnt go together... :P
The same argument you put forward against techno can be put forward for rock, and if you check my list you will see that it is one that i argue myself.
Music has bescome boring, hardly any one is inovating anymore. Music is now a product and that is all.
As for the skill of guitarists. Playing Flamenco guitar take much more skill and talent than playing a rock riff and playing Sitar is harder than playing guitar, yet i still choose to admire Jimi Hendrix (DAMN, how did i miss him from my list he should be No1... well i did forget G# :P) Yngwie Malmsteen, Eric Clapton and other great guitarists.
On the subject of chord progressions, how many rock guitarists consider them? Take my favorite guitarist, Jimi Hendrix, he had no idea how to even read music, let alone understand the cycle of 5ths or something of that magnitude. It doesnt matter though, because if it sounds right.... musically speaking, it normally is right.
They may go about things differently, but they still do the same thing. I used to think piano was a ridiculous instrument for the same reasons you think techno is without talent. But its just an instrument, they all have there pro's and con's, and ive never seen a techno artist just press play.
But i think we a generaly arguing the same thing. Music has really gone down hill, and its seems to be speeding up. I must be off to edit my post :P
Well as for the understating music part... Jimi was frickin gifted But I tell you someone like Yngwie Malmsteen has a vast knowledge of music.
And yeah, my argument against techno can be used against rock. Definately. Some of the popular shit is just 3 chords(or even just 3 powerchords) and then the demantory minor pentatonic scale in the key of the song. Heck, many pop and soft rock even uses the ever so old classic I-IV-V chord intervals. It's boring.
But yeah... I agree... music has generally become a product. It's sad.
But, to create a basic pop or rock song, you need at least a bit of knoweldge. You don't need that to create acceptable techno, since keeping time is a given and mixing some generic effects isn't science... it's a matter of taste, so you can usually come up with something you think sounds good.
Most guitars don't really know makes up a chord. A powerchord is a root note and a fifth(plus an optional root note an octave above) so it obviously doesn't have a third, so you can't call it a true chord. I don't mind people calling it "rootnote"5 though.
About the composition: Well you don't make basic I music I assume. To make a basic song, you'll need to know at least some chords, and know which chords go well together. Then you'll also need to know a bit about basic time signature. When creating basic techno, you can always keep consistant time, and you don't need to know anything about chords and which goes well together.
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Check this guy out he is jerryc and an insane guitarist!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmOBTP0iDqY
Yeah, man. Just like classical and punk. You'd have to be an idiot to not see the connection.
Wow I must be half retarted then..
"Let's take it to the streets cuz I'm ready to cruise
Just bought me and my cars all some brand new shoes"
Wow. So like Nike bought up Goodyear? Didn't see that one coming.
Wow, then no offence, but your poetry must be off as well. Do you know what a Simile is?
Comparing cheeks to roses, because the cheeks are red as roses. Comparing sneakers and tires becuase they are both the SAME.
Shoe: any of various devices that are inserted in or run along a track or groove to guide a movement, provide a contact or friction grip, or protect against wear, damage, or slipping
So tires are the "shoes" of a car. Such comparisons are also used in many different music genres including Metal, Rock, Country, Rap, Hip-Hip, Jazz and Punk.
-Nice rhyme ludacris thats some clever stuff
"The pot holes in the street just bentcha rims
Tell me whatcha gon do? ACT A FOOL"
That like almost kinda made sense, but the L on the FOO threw me off.
???
Tell me you wern't being serious man. I can see the comparision in all music, but there is BAD artist in a genre that could mess up the whole thing you know. Why don't you just ask me, because I see if and if you don't like a paticular kind of music, I'm sure you wouldn't bother to take a good look at it. Sorry for my spelling and grammar.
-In memory of Laura "Taera" Genender. Passed away on Aug/13/08-
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Demon Hunter - band I'm really digging right now.
I am listening to FATHOM - Fantasy - celto - prog rock of the future! Just look at the album cover of current CD:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RamcLQzp4U
http://www.fathom.tv
www.myspace.com/theofficialendofdays - my cousins death metal band.
Warning, might cause deafness or disturbance
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Guitar work's alright. Sort of reminds me of the music from the original Doom. I never got into the whole constant screaming thing though.
"Put your foot where your mouth is." - Wisdom from my grandfather
"Paper or plastic? ... because I'm afraid I'll have to suffocate you unless you put this bag on your head..." - Ethnitrek
AC1: Wierding from Harvestgain
Yeah, man. Just like classical and punk. You'd have to be an idiot to not see the connection.
Just my thoughts...
The connection between rap and rock, is that whenever rap something that goes beyond a simple computer generized beat, it's usually stolen from rock. Same goes for techno.
Btw I rarely see a point in discussion why some genres suck. People should just listen to whatever they like. Musical preference is of course subjective.
Some statements do call for a discussion(such as my favorite ignorant statement "Metal is just loud noise" that usually comes from some technotard)
Just stop bitching about music that you know nothing about, ok? Stuff like this makes you look stupid.
Listening to Grand Alchemist
One of the best Symphonic Black Metal bands ever.
There's a lot to know in order to produce music, but what it boils down to is you either like how it sounds or you don't. I mean, you can use some book knowledge. However, I don't place a great deal of emphasis on listening to artists who have a degree in music rather than those who don't. Personal preference. Not a big deal.
"Put your foot where your mouth is." - Wisdom from my grandfather
"Paper or plastic? ... because I'm afraid I'll have to suffocate you unless you put this bag on your head..." - Ethnitrek
AC1: Wierding from Harvestgain
So your saying that when I chose lyrics from ludacris that he is a bad artist and representation of what rap is? Thats bologna because he is a VERY popular rap icon and so thats why I chose him. Anyways lets just end this cause its not like were getting anywhere and its ruining the thread. Thats just how I see rap and so dont take it too seriously. For the record I am NOT racist if anybody is thinking that my favorite bands lead singer is of that race.I dont mind them actually, im not really usually a big death metal fan but I like lamb of god
Btw I forgot to mention Dio as one of my favorites, he invented metal!
I dont mind them actually, im not really usually a big death metal fan but I like lamb of god
Btw I forgot to mention Dio as one of my favorites, he invented metal!
I'm not saying that, I'm talking in general of any rapper or artist because in every music topic stirs such commotion about music that people don't like, don't care to like and don't care to learn. And just because you don't like rap don't mean your racist. It's just the genre.
-In memory of Laura "Taera" Genender. Passed away on Aug/13/08-
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Yeah, man. Just like classical and punk. You'd have to be an idiot to not see the connection.
Just my thoughts...
The connection between rap and rock, is that whenever rap something that goes beyond a simple computer generized beat, it's usually stolen from rock. Same goes for techno.
Btw I rarely see a point in discussion why some genres suck. People should just listen to whatever they like. Musical preference is of course subjective.
Some statements do call for a discussion(such as my favorite ignorant statement "Metal is just loud noise" that usually comes from some technotard)
Just stop bitching about music that you know nothing about, ok? Stuff like this makes you look stupid.
That doesn't prove him wrong at all...At least the Vetnam song doesn't...it's a highly repetetive drum beat with some high pitched chanting that loops in thebackground while some guy raps about Vietnam. DOn't get me wrong, I like some rap, when it has actual meaning other than the "bitches and hos" crap that is so popular these days. I do, however, F'ing hate techno, and i find it offensive that people call that stuff music. Music is supposed to be artistic, and it's supposed to have meaning, techno is just meaningless garbage mashed together in an attempt to make something that sounds sort of cool. Can you dance to it? Sure...is there deeper meaning beyond all the beeps and whistles? Only if you are on LSD.
Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.
What's funny is that most older black people despise rap music too. Ask any of the generation that basically invented modern style music in the 50s (Berry, Richard, King, Diddley etc.) and they all agree that rap music isn't really music at all.
While I'm personally willing to accept rap or techno as a musical style, I don't really get why so many people listen to it nowadays. The only thing that might be of any significance in rap music, the lyrics, could just as easily be expressed in a rock song, but that would require a small amount of musical understanding i guess. Techno on the other hand is, like todays' popular music in general, the music that appeals to the unmusical masses. All it requires to be enjoyed is some easily consumed drugs really.
Since the music of the last decades was looked down upon initially too i'm willing to accept these new styles, although i hope people will realize how shallow they are and instead turn to real music, which might require a little commitment to be enjoyed at first but is immensely more rewarding once that initial barrier is overcome.
Yeah, man. Just like classical and punk. You'd have to be an idiot to not see the connection.
Just my thoughts...
The connection between rap and rock, is that whenever rap something that goes beyond a simple computer generized beat, it's usually stolen from rock. Same goes for techno.
Btw I rarely see a point in discussion why some genres suck. People should just listen to whatever they like. Musical preference is of course subjective.
Some statements do call for a discussion(such as my favorite ignorant statement "Metal is just loud noise" that usually comes from some technotard)
Just stop bitching about music that you know nothing about, ok? Stuff like this makes you look stupid.
That doesn't prove him wrong at all...At least the Vetnam song doesn't...it's a highly repetetive drum beat with some high pitched chanting that loops in thebackground while some guy raps about Vietnam. DOn't get me wrong, I like some rap, when it has actual meaning other than the "bitches and hos" crap that is so popular these days. I do, however, F'ing hate techno, and i find it offensive that people call that stuff music. Music is supposed to be artistic, and it's supposed to have meaning, techno is just meaningless garbage mashed together in an attempt to make something that sounds sort of cool. Can you dance to it? Sure...is there deeper meaning beyond all the beeps and whistles? Only if you are on LSD.
Exactly(about both parts
Aphex, compare the musical knoweldge needed to create music like that to something like:
I'm not going to go through the differences in musical terms as that would only make me come across as an arrogant dick, but anyone who knows just some musical theory, knows that rap is often a technical simple genre.
Yeah, man. Just like classical and punk. You'd have to be an idiot to not see the connection.
Just my thoughts...
The connection between rap and rock, is that whenever rap something that goes beyond a simple computer generized beat, it's usually stolen from rock. Same goes for techno.
Btw I rarely see a point in discussion why some genres suck. People should just listen to whatever they like. Musical preference is of course subjective.
Some statements do call for a discussion(such as my favorite ignorant statement "Metal is just loud noise" that usually comes from some technotard)
Just stop bitching about music that you know nothing about, ok? Stuff like this makes you look stupid.
That doesn't prove him wrong at all...At least the Vetnam song doesn't...it's a highly repetetive drum beat with some high pitched chanting that loops in thebackground while some guy raps about Vietnam. DOn't get me wrong, I like some rap, when it has actual meaning other than the "bitches and hos" crap that is so popular these days. I do, however, F'ing hate techno, and i find it offensive that people call that stuff music. Music is supposed to be artistic, and it's supposed to have meaning, techno is just meaningless garbage mashed together in an attempt to make something that sounds sort of cool. Can you dance to it? Sure...is there deeper meaning beyond all the beeps and whistles? Only if you are on LSD.
Exactly(about both parts
Aphex, compare the musical knoweldge needed to create music like that to something like:
I'm not going to go through the differences in musical terms as that would only make me come across as an arrogant dick, but anyone who knows just some musical theory, knows that rap is often a technical simple genre.
I agree that the beat in the Jedi Mind Tricks track is repetitive, but that's not necessarily a bad point. In a track like that, both the lyrics and the flow are the main thing and it's both great in the track. I dare to say that if it had been a rock track backed with guitar riffs and more complex drums, the lyrics and message would have gone lost in that.
Also, my name comes from Aphex Twin, a "Techno" artist (Techno is just a subgenre of electronic music, calling all of it Techno is the same as calling everything with guitars rock) that is insanely talented and has inspired big artists in tons of genres. The Dillinger Escape Plan has covered his track "Come to daddy", Philip Glass (and several lesser known orchestra's) has made a classical version of one of "ICCT Hedral" and Radiohead already said that he was one of their main inspirations for their later albums (such as Kid A).
There are other artists in electronic music that make stuff that's technically easilly as complex as that Metallica track (I'd even say much more so) but it's not the stuff you see on MTV. Just look at the Warp Records label to get an idea of it.
Now just for some Aphex Twin tracks:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Byhw44e_wJQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1P3Wc-37pC4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qwe10iDlFQo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBFXJw7n-fU
Great post Nasica
First of all we have 12 notes. You forgot G#. 12th fret is an octave above.
Now let me ask you this. How many of the popular techno composers, consider chord progression and scale accompaniment to their rhythms?
You are correct though. An electronic composer CAN choose to create inventive music if he/she has the musical knoweldge. But the fact is, and you pretty much gotta agree with me on this, most of the techno people like, is monotone beats with boring computer effects and/or stolen guitar riffs that has gone through a computer polish.
12 Notes might not seem like a lot. But then consider the sheer amount of scales we have. Consider the sheer amount of chords. There's a lot.
Also, playing great guitar takes so much more skill and practice than to... press the start button on a computer.
Aphex: I'm not saying all rock and all techno suck. It's just that the popular tracks some of my friends listen too are so simplistic with horrible lyrics, that I simply can't understand why it has become popular.
I have heard some truly creative and talented rap and techno, but it's just not what has become popular among people... and that's a shame.
I like my beeps and whistles...
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First of all we have 12 notes. You forgot G#. 12th fret is an octave above.
Now let me ask you this. How many of the popular techno composers, consider chord progression and scale accompaniment to their rhythms?
You are correct though. An electronic composer CAN choose to create inventive music if he/she has the musical knoweldge. But the fact is, and you pretty much gotta agree with me on this, most of the techno people like, is monotone beats with boring computer effects and/or stolen guitar riffs that has gone through a computer polish.
12 Notes might not seem like a lot. But then consider the sheer amount of scales we have. Consider the sheer amount of chords. There's a lot.
Also, playing great guitar takes so much more skill and practice than to... press the start button on a computer.
Aphex: I'm not saying all rock and all techno suck. It's just that the popular tracks some of my friends listen too are so simplistic with horrible lyrics, that I simply can't understand why it has become popular.
I have heard some truly creative and talented rap and techno, but it's just not what has become popular among people... and that's a shame.
Meh, how did i miss that, yet i picked up the mistake of saying Cmajor and Aminor wouldnt go together... :P
The same argument you put forward against techno can be put forward for rock, and if you check my list you will see that it is one that i argue myself.
Music has bescome boring, hardly any one is inovating anymore. Music is now a product and that is all.
As for the skill of guitarists. Playing Flamenco guitar take much more skill and talent than playing a rock riff and playing Sitar is harder than playing guitar, yet i still choose to admire Jimi Hendrix (DAMN, how did i miss him from my list he should be No1... well i did forget G# :P) Yngwie Malmsteen, Eric Clapton and other great guitarists.
On the subject of chord progressions, how many rock guitarists consider them? Take my favorite guitarist, Jimi Hendrix, he had no idea how to even read music, let alone understand the cycle of 5ths or something of that magnitude. It doesnt matter though, because if it sounds right.... musically speaking, it normally is right.
They may go about things differently, but they still do the same thing. I used to think piano was a ridiculous instrument for the same reasons you think techno is without talent. But its just an instrument, they all have there pro's and con's, and ive never seen a techno artist just press play.
But i think we a generaly arguing the same thing. Music has really gone down hill, and its seems to be speeding up. I must be off to edit my post :P
Well as for the understating music part... Jimi was frickin gifted
But I tell you someone like Yngwie Malmsteen has a vast knowledge of music.
And yeah, my argument against techno can be used against rock. Definately. Some of the popular shit is just 3 chords(or even just 3 powerchords) and then the demantory minor pentatonic scale in the key of the song. Heck, many pop and soft rock even uses the ever so old classic I-IV-V chord intervals. It's boring.
But yeah... I agree... music has generally become a product. It's sad.
But, to create a basic pop or rock song, you need at least a bit of knoweldge. You don't need that to create acceptable techno, since keeping time is a given and mixing some generic effects isn't science... it's a matter of taste, so you can usually come up with something you think sounds good.
Mindless Self Indulgence, best music ever.
irrelevant posting -
most appropriate music to listen to while playing Tabula Rasa: Deltron 3030 (del the funky homosapien and dan the automator)
hmm i think we spoke to each other like back in June or something
I like Trip-Pop and Dream Pop.
Hate rap!!!
Nasica:
Yeah, few people actually know Yngwie.
Most guitars don't really know makes up a chord. A powerchord is a root note and a fifth(plus an optional root note an octave above) so it obviously doesn't have a third, so you can't call it a true chord. I don't mind people calling it "rootnote"5 though.
About the composition: Well you don't make basic I music I assume. To make a basic song, you'll need to know at least some chords, and know which chords go well together. Then you'll also need to know a bit about basic time signature. When creating basic techno, you can always keep consistant time, and you don't need to know anything about chords and which goes well together.