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GM corruption, just got perma banned for the hell of it
rubydragon5
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in EVE Online
GM Q just perma banned my account for scamming people In jita.
Whether people like scammers or not, it has been noted by CCP on numerous occasions Scamming is part of the game as long as I dont break any rules.
He claims my scamming caused people greif therefor
Violating ingame rules...
Seems the GM's can rewrite the rules as they chose to
any time they want.
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are you the one that always scams the give me 1 mil isk and i will give you 2 mil???if so good riddens if not sorry dude that sucks
I get the feeling your not telling the full story as the only way scamming is bannable is if it abuses game mechanics in an exploitative way. If your scam was a "legit" one petition it and escalate to a senior GM.
The greif play rule is usually for harassment or baiting newbs.
Also the word "corruption" is loaded and inappropriate, if the GM was corrupt he would have banned you either for personal reasons or because he had something to gain, if indeed he banned you for no reason the term incompetent fits better.
Currently playing:
EVE online (Ruining low sec one hotdrop at a time)
Gravity Rush,
Dishonoured: The Knife of Dunwall.
(Waiting for) Metro: Last Light,
Company of Heroes II.
The full story is.. I was perma banned in the past for account sharing.
I begged the GM's to let me have 1 more chance.
They overturned the ban and said if i broke any rules even the slightest I would be re-permabanned.
The Scam I pulled was simply renaming a active ship from Omen to Zealot.
From reading these forums you would think GM's only get involved if it helps BOB win some vast region of space. You weren't a Goon CEO were you??? Sorry about your account, guess Q ain't got no Christmas spirit. At least by posting you may have prevented some poor soul from following you down the path to a life of crime....hehhe
Normally they wouldnt ban you for renaming somethng like that just give you a warning if anything at all. Of course you were on probaation so....
"Kill one man, and you are a murderer. Kill millions of men, and you are a conqueror. Kill them all, and you are a god."
-- Jean Rostand
call me dumb but why exactly is changing a ships name a bannible offence?
"And thus I clothe my naked villany/ with old odd ends stolen forth from holy writ/ and seem a saint when most I play the devil." Shakespeare's Richard III Act I Scene 3.
Zealot = 91mil (ish) ISK
Same hull, but the Zealot is the Tech 2 variant of the Omen, this happens alot, one of my guildies did this to someone in low sec, sold him a Vexor (worth about 3.5Mil ISK) instead of a Guardian Vexor (worth 4 to 5 Billion ISK as they aren't available anymore to make or buy and only 4 or 5 still in game)... Needless to say he's not in my corp anymore
scamming isn't against the rules or you wouldn't be banned. A GM polices the rules. This is a stupid topic.
CURRENTLY PLAYING SHAIYA
did he not check the info on the ship?
"And thus I clothe my naked villany/ with old odd ends stolen forth from holy writ/ and seem a saint when most I play the devil." Shakespeare's Richard III Act I Scene 3.
I still dont understand this as a doable scam. If you try to sell a ship on the contract market or the regular market for that matter) doesnt it show up as what the ship is intrinsically? Surely the market mechanics dont show the personal name you give the ship, rather than what the 0011's say it is. Otherwise you would never know what you were buying.
When your flying your ship you can rename it and you can sell it assembled... its a simple case of renaming it from Tyr Dominator's Omen to Tyr Dominator's Zealot and selling it assembled... as you said, doesn't work when packaged or through contracts, nor if the person actually is clever enough to check the info
Sounds like the GM acted wrongly. Even though you had rather hefty warning on your account, since scamming is perfectly legit if you don't exploit bugs etc. you shouldn't have been banned. Try escalating your petition of removing the ban if you don't get the right answer right away and if that doesn't work you can always try emailing Kieron. Good luck hope you get your account unbanned.
Good Riddance.
One less jerk trying to take advantage of other people.
Hm, sounds to me like his scam during probation was, in fact, exposed by the potential scammee and immediately petitioned to the GM's as 'harassment'.
You didn't spam the person with those fake trade windows, did you, in the hopes he'd accidentally click 'accept' instead of 'reject'?
The GM then could have banned you immediately based on your probationary status and the fact that he'd recieved harassment petitions about you... And I say I believe he made the right choice.
You can, of course, petition upwards about this incident, and see if you could get your ban lifted. Personally, I think if you've already been told off once about a bannable offence, your chances of that succeeding are very close to zero, but hey, you can try.
Posting on outside-EVE forum and bitching and moaning about the spam isn't really the smartest move. What do you expect us to do about it? Though it's nice that you take the time to let everyone checking these forums about trying EVE know about CCP doing at least something about scammers.
I don't really think what he did was a bannable offence, but I also think that what the GM did was right. If I personally saw you doing it I would let the cold vaccuum of space embrace you to her bossum, as many times as humanlly possible. You pray on human weakness for profit something I consider the lowest form of piracy.
I hope you have learned, crime pays well, just not for very long. Also in the end we alway reap what we sow.
"And thus I clothe my naked villany/ with old odd ends stolen forth from holy writ/ and seem a saint when most I play the devil." Shakespeare's Richard III Act I Scene 3.
Law enforcement puts people in jail for fraud. The mafia puts bullets in peoples' heads for cheating them. You seem to like the idea that you can commit crimes in the world of Eve. Now you're just tasting the consequences - you got whacked by someone stronger than you for your intentional misdeeds. Not a bad way to roleplay it if you're looking for some kind of meaning out of the whole thing. After all, it's just a game, right? I'm sure you would say the same thing to the people you scammed. Deal with it, my friend, and expect more of the same if you keep scamming people.
Ahh, so you were on probation for a previous perma ban that was lifted.
But you thought it was ok to change something in the game worth 4 mil ish to make it appear that it was worth 91mil so you could sell it to some poor guy.
Ya, why on earth would they ban an upstanding game citizen like you for that.
as far as i can tell you earned your ban
Pwnd.
D.
I always find it humorous how peole say "for no reason" and yet after much to-do we find out there was indeed a reason. Why try to take advantage of people? That is childish and immature, but to each their own I suppose. The additional question is why do you think this would NOT be a bannable offense when you were warned about being watched closely...and then you whine and complain instead of trying to do the mature thing and get it lifed via the proper channels. That tells many of us that the proper thing was done in this case, and thank goodness.
I say don't let the door hit you in the arse on the way out.
When someone says, particularly an adult, "for no reason", my eyes glaze over and I tune out. For anyone other than a 3 year old to use the excuse "for no reason" is an insult to our intelligence, boarder line personal attack. From there, sympathy drains from me and is replaced with the overwhelming urge to kick them to death.
Scamming is absolutely normal in Eve, and perfectly within the rules.
Its not designed to just look like a cold, harsh world. Its designed to be a cold, harsh world.
A totally other thing is exploiting or harassing, which is a bannable offence. And something tells me the op did something against the eula.
If gms dont behave, you can always report them to their boss (kieron iirc).
Everyone lies to keep you away from the truth, but lies undoubtably will always lead to the truth.
"And thus I clothe my naked villany/ with old odd ends stolen forth from holy writ/ and seem a saint when most I play the devil." Shakespeare's Richard III Act I Scene 3.
Scamming and theft are fully allowed in EVE, and the only type of contract scam thats disallowed are uncompletable courier missions where somebody sets a high collateral and the destination as a player owned outpost where only certain people can dock.
Changing ship names is allowed and that depends on the persons stupidity as they just click accept instead of checking or when you place a stupid price for a ship like putting [WTB] Golem 8 Billion ISK and entering 8,574,483.55 ISK and hoping someone is dumb enough to fall for it (and they do).
If the OP is telling the full story and nothing else was going on he should not have been banned.
Currently playing:
EVE online (Ruining low sec one hotdrop at a time)
Gravity Rush,
Dishonoured: The Knife of Dunwall.
(Waiting for) Metro: Last Light,
Company of Heroes II.
Methinks there is something more to this story.
Otherwise the OP would have contacted mods@ccpgames.com (think t hat's the email that Kieron always plasters all over forums when people start griping about GM decisions) and raised it with them instead of coming here and crying foul on the forums. There are in-game mechanics to deal with unfair GM decisions. Hell you can appeal all the way up to lead GM's if you feel the need.
To summarise: I don't believe the OP. There is more to this story than he's telling.
"A ship-of-war is the best ambassador." - Oliver Cromwell