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y do so many ppl hate wow?
Ammoth01
Member Posts: 23
I have noticed a lot of ppl HATE wow
. I have been plying for about 6 months now. I really like this game. Its kinda expensive and its difficlt t lvl up. But one thing i like is the way when u die u dont lose any items like in some mmorpg's
. Idk, i dt see y anyone could hate this game. Its great! what do u think?
Comments
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To answer your question, wow gets a lot of hate cause it's number one on the market. Anything that's number one is hated by others for one reason or another.
My question is, what do you mean by "Its kinda expensive"?
Honestly I do not believe it is true "hate".
I believe its mainly people who are burnt out of WoW. WoW has be microanalyzed to death. people have played it straight for years now. And there isnt any other viable option released yet.
Honestly, I believe that when WAR or AoC is released, players of WoW will appreciate it more and the "HAte posts" will decrease
Torrential
Torrential: DAOC (Pendragon)
Awned: World of Warcraft (Lothar)
Torren: Warhammer Online (Praag)
the fact that its number 1 has nuthing to do with why people hate it. since release i played wow for about 2 years, and i will give you a first hand account of why i hate it.
these arent in any particular order
1) lacks a good story. vs a game like ffxi or others
2) pvp was not very skill based to a certain extent. if you call running around some1 while pressing buttons skill then.. this game is for you. this was especially bad for people with slower computers. even worse for casters due to the fact that befor you cast a spell a person could run behind you and your spell wont go off cause you lost line of sight.
3) in order to get endgame gear you had to run raid instances. these were 40man back in the day and only way to do it was to join a guild. upon joining a raiding guild , i felt like i just got another job. it was like every night they wanted you on to raid. if you wanted to take a night off to go watch a movie or just take a break from the game, they would look down upon you. ( this happens in a few games other than wow. )
4) classes were a little imbalanced. i mean, look at warlocks now and shamans back in the day.
5) extremly repeatative. kill 10 of this. get 20 of that. kill 1000 of these so i like you better.
these are the main reason i quit the game and went back to ffxi. i think alot of people can agree with me. this is why wow is hated.
I think the real reason, whatever anyone else states, is that it just easy to hate on it.
Its mass market, its brought too many real people into our little sandbox, and we feel superior for hating it.
Its the same with people who like obscure Music and not the Spice girls, or people who say ECW was better before McMahon's got hold of it, or the Wii is just a fad its not a real games console.
Welcome to the "Mass Market", we HAVE to accept it.
Every so often someone creates a new account here, and posts inane questions in deliberately terrible English. Probably to add weight to the idea that that's what we all sound like? Pfft.
Still waiting for your Holy Grail MMORPG? Interesting...
I think you've never played any other MMO prior to the WoW rage. also the post by grahf (god damn awesome name btw) makes a lot of sense
"And after blizzard takes over the world, they are gonna gather a bunch of lemmings, sit on their fat asses near a cliff, and watch the little fuzzy bastards suicide dive into the ground below. . . . . all just for their own entertainment."
Edit:
i wouldnt really consider what people writte about games in this forum...i mean Tabula Rasa is rated with 8.3... LOL @ that
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Would you like some cheese with that whine?
They hate wow because its too mainstream and that too many people play it and that it is the most popular MMO at the moment and in MMO history.
They hate WoW for two reasons mainly:
1. MMO-Envy.
2. Because hating WoW is the cool thing to do on the boards.
WoW kept me occupied for about 7 months. I think I got my money out of it, and it was fun.
If that were true I wouldn't whack off to Briney Spears and Lindsay Lohan. To be honest, no matter how hot someone is, if I hate them, I don't beat it while thinking about them.
To be serious now, most of the "haters" are real MMO vets who have played for many years before WoW existed. They're more refined in their taste of what a MMO should be. They and myself included, want to make a unique character that is more real to us.
WoW just offers another cookie cutter experience, which in itself isn't so bad. Here is where the popularity comes into play. 9 million subscribers.....we wouldn't be mad if it was a step forward in MMO development and those 9 million people were experiencing what its like to play a truely unique game with unique features and unique characters. We're mad because now these 9 million people wan't WoW clones from their other games, if another game isn't like WoW, we have 9 million people going "well thats not a real MMO! It suxxors" and so every other developer, instead of making or keeping a fun unique game with a unique character development system (CoughfukyouSOEforfukingupSWGcough)...well we get what SWG became because of WoW.
Its actually because nearly everyone who joins a new mmo asks "why is this not like in wow?", "lfg!!!!!!!!!!" and "LOLZ STFU NEWB".
Yes, i know, not everyone is like that, you get those people in other games too, etc. But due to the high numbers of people who come from wow into other games and act like 12 year olds, one cant help but to think of wow as "the game, where all those kids come from".
(disclaimer: as usual, totally subjective view on the topic. and a little ranting wont hurt, i think)
LoL - since Arena, PvP is GEAR ONLY. So every n00b can get the current arena set within a few weeks without any hard work.
So PvP is another timesink without fun, just like raiding its another job in a game.
Take a look at the "so called" crafting, most of those items are worthless, no one would use/buy them.
I missed a lot of things that a "real" MMORPG would have.
WoW is like Counterstrike - played by millions and everyone means he is the "headshotr0x00rl33tplayer", knowing everythink and telling everyone how to play the game.
Thats one of the main reasons I quit WoW long time ago.
the fact that its number 1 has nuthing to do with why people hate it. since release i played wow for about 2 years, and i will give you a first hand account of why i hate it.
these arent in any particular order
1) lacks a good story. vs a game like ffxi or others
Somewhat agree. WoW could of done a better job at this. Although I don't really have any complaints.
2) pvp was not very skill based to a certain extent. if you call running around some1 while pressing buttons skill then.. this game is for you. this was especially bad for people with slower computers. even worse for casters due to the fact that befor you cast a spell a person could run behind you and your spell wont go off cause you lost line of sight.
It's hard for PvP to be skilled based when your playing a level based game. I have a fast computer with satellite internet. I haven't had much trouble with PvP. My level 16 hunter dueled a 19 warrior and won last night.
3) in order to get endgame gear you had to run raid instances. these were 40man back in the day and only way to do it was to join a guild. upon joining a raiding guild , i felt like i just got another job. it was like every night they wanted you on to raid. if you wanted to take a night off to go watch a movie or just take a break from the game, they would look down upon you. ( this happens in a few games other than wow. )
If this happened to me then I would leave the guild. I don't play 5+ hours a day like a lot of people. I pay fair money for the game, I will play when I feel like it.
4) classes were a little imbalanced. i mean, look at warlocks now and shamans back in the day.
Yup.
5) extremly repeatative. kill 10 of this. get 20 of that. kill 1000 of these so i like you better.
I agree. But I still have fun doing this.
these are the main reason i quit the game and went back to ffxi. i think alot of people can agree with me. this is why wow is hated.
Wish you the best of luck.
I played it for 2.5 years and I don't hate it, I just don't want to play it anymore.
One it was too easy to level, I managed to get 7 level 70's all with maxed out trade skills.
Gold farmers were everywhere and blizzard in europe seemed not to care about them when you reported the bot farmers, and if I did get banned it apparently only took them 7-10 days to get back to lvl 60.
The raiding guilds were arrogant and our guild had every single lvl 60 priest in it targeted and tried to be pulled away to the raiding guilds (unfortunately for them all our level 60 priests including myself were guild officers so they didn't have much luck with that.)
The trouble is there is nothing else I want to play atm, I have spent 2 months on Tabula Rasa and now have given up on it
Wrong.
"hardcore" "elitist" gamers don't hate WoW because it's popular. We get good at WoW and win just like everything else we're better than you and all your friends at. The problem is that by WoW sucking and being so incredibly successful (by dumbing down the market so that any half wit can pick up games and play just fine...), it is causing games that have looked promising to turn into suckfest version 2.0...3.0...4.0...ect.
And yes I suppose this is the same kind of 'hatred' music nerds have for corporate music... but it's a little different because the musicians still produce the music the nerds love until they get bigger and sensibly 'sell out'. Gamers don't get that. Games that make it to production and land on the shelf at the store have been 'checked over' to make sure they have enough suck in them to sell to the general IQ 95-105 market.
WoW set the industry standard... and that standard is suck.
(Don't overanalyze the music/games comparison - because you can think of examples where it IS true and that's enough.)
Can you be any more condescending?
I can't think of a single MMO where being stupid prevented you from taking part in it. I don't think the fact that WoW is extremely accessible lends itself to attracting a more stupid player, but that seems to be the assumption here.
Sure, an idiot will take a lot longer to reach a goal than someone else, but he'll get there eventually. This is true in pretty much every MMO I've played so far, even the most niche hardcore games.
Those who consider themselves intellectually superior to the average WoW player have an unjustified and pretentious attitude. It's the same kind of thought process that creates racism, sexism, and divides within societies. It's primitive, caveman-like behavior that is not the product of a exquisite intellect. You're dividing MMOs into "IQ of target audience" now? Get over yourself, jeez.
The idea that WoW players could not succeed, or even be able to play the more 'hardcore' MMOs is ludicrous, and I think with detractors having an attitude like that, most WoW players would probably defeat them in a battle of wits.
WoW is successful because of a multitude of factors and incredible word of mouth, because the game is good, and good games grow based on word of mouth, while others don't. EVE is a great example of another MMO that grew in popularity through word of mouth.
Just read a review of the game to find out why so many gamers fell in love with it. It's not rocket science, even non-WoW players might be able to grasp it
Still waiting for your Holy Grail MMORPG? Interesting...
Can you be any more condescending?
I can't think of a single MMO where being stupid prevented you from taking part in it. I don't think the fact that WoW is extremely accessible lends itself to attracting a more stupid player, but that seems to be the assumption here.
Sure, an idiot will take a lot longer to reach a goal than someone else, but he'll get there eventually. This is true in pretty much every MMO I've played so far, even the most niche hardcore games.
Those who consider themselves intellectually superior to the average WoW player have an unjustified and pretentious attitude. It's the same kind of thought process that creates racism, sexism, and divides within societies. It's primitive, caveman-like behavior that is not the product of a exquisite intellect. You're dividing MMOs into "IQ of target audience" now? Get over yourself, jeez.
The idea that WoW players could not succeed, or even be able to play the more 'hardcore' MMOs is ludicrous, and I think with detractors having an attitude like that, most WoW players would probably defeat them in a battle of wits.
WoW is successful because of a multitude of factors and incredible word of mouth, because the game is good, and good games grow based on word of mouth, while others don't. EVE is a great example of another MMO that grew in popularity through word of mouth.
Just read a review of the game to find out why so many gamers fell in love with it. It's not rocket science, even non-WoW players might be able to grasp it
QFTAgree with you 100%, thank you.
Maybe you wouldn't consist on your opinion when you played 2 years and 6 hours per day.
as well, its average cost. lvling is incredibly easy also.
This kind of stuff cracks me up. I'm not really trying to just pick on you but I've seen many posts across different forums like this. "I've played WoW for X years and I hate it!!!"
It can't be that bad if you play it for YEARS!!! That's a LONG time to endure something you hate. Really, I think most of the hate comes from people just being bored to death with it. I know, I've played it for 2 years myself, lol. The real problem is that nothing has come out to capture most peoples attention and steer them away from WoW. Just my 2 copper....
IronZ
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I think I should leave now, because I waste lots of time and money, but I have addicted in WOW.
I believe you are getting "simplistic" confused with "Well designed". I agree. Wow isn't frustrating to play. Once you understand the basics, you can jump right in and have a blast. The game doesn't require you to mess with it for hours on end to figure out poorly designed or frustrating mechanics.
It starts off basic, and can be as complex and rewarding as you want it to be. I won't disagree that leveling can be redundant at times. Though I think that's a bit of a staple of MMO's, but leveling is about 1/3 of wow, if not less, due to the fantastic changes made to leveling in the last patch.
I can sit here and explain the math and complexities of the threat system. The proper dps rotation for a combat rogue. The intricacies of endgame boss fights.
Wow is popular because it's the best of its kind on the market. Everyone can and will have different tastes. I thought Guild Wars was my type of game, I was hesitant to waste the hard drive space installing the trial. That was two years ago. I have 5 level 70's, and have tried Maple story, SWG, Silk Road, EVE, LOTR online, and am currently messing around with CoV. And I keep coming back to Wow. It's easy to hate what's popular. I have always been far more prone to loving an underdog game. But I will not be ignorant enough to shun one of the finest designed games of our generation.
Don't take a game personally. There aren't sides, or feelings to worry about. Play a game, and see if you have fun with it. Don't try and say "The 8 million wow subscribers are nub games who just haven't stepped it up to the next level". Or any other pathetically insulting over-generalizations one can make about any other MMOs. Just have fun. And if you have fun playing a different game then I do, I'm certainly not going to insult you for it.
I am lvl 20 in WoW. I wanted to see what the fuss was about so im playing it. Its not bad at all, But the reason why I hated WoW and I speak for self and nobody else. I feel like WoW being so successful Ruined alot of other games in the process. WoW set the bar so high that other games copied there ideas and ruined there own set ups, or what they had good going for them they got rid of. I once was a WoW hater but now here I am playing it. ITS CRACK YO!
It's too easy, that's sort of why I don't like it.
It's simply easy too get epics now, just form 3 arena teams and farm AV every day. You'll have full glad gear two weeks or less. When done with that, ask yourself "now what?" and unsubscribe.
EDIT; Not very much to hate besides that, every game has a horrible grind, and the classes ARE all balanced in PvP and if you say they aren't you just need to l2play your class better.