Just for once I'd like to see a guild step away from the whole "WoW way of recruiting" and do what used to be done.
- Then later you mention how WoW is not the progenitor (is how it is really spelled), of the MMO world. How can you call a way of recruiting as the WoW way, when we're recruiting before the game is out. The 'WoW' way does not base applicant's on their application alone, WoW does not set the guidelines for asking certain questions as you have so obviously suggested.
This is my main reason for "flaming" ....gonna step off track here for a second to give you a true defnition of flaming...
From wiki (and no it's not the whole thing but this is why I've gone on a personal crusade on your guild).
...most often however, flames are angry or insulting messages transmitted by people who have strong feelings about a subject. Some equate flaming with simply letting off steam, though the receiving party may be less than pleased. Similarly, a normal, non-flame message may have elements of a flame -- it may be hostile, for example -- but it is not a flame if its author seriously intends to advance the discussion.
The whole application process wasn't commonplace until WoW came around. Before that I hadn't even met any guilds that used applications. It just wasn't something that was considered. Let me put it this way. Everyone and everything has rules....that's not my gripe. My gripe is that your making schedules already, your making raid schedules and requiring times for peopel to show up. Is this what you envisioned yourself doing while playing games? Showing up at "AnomScorn's" beck and call, having to apply to a guild with an application just like a JOB? People, this is a game here. As such it should be treated like a game...even if it is an alternate fantasy setting which your supposed to immerse yourself in it doesn't require this much work in it. This is a game....PERIOD....nothing else.
I was goign to continue on with more reasons but I realize now that it's futile to try and persuade you to change the way you recruit. Wasn't really my intent to begin with, was actually hoping that others would read the thread and realize what my ponit was but obviously you think everything is about you. This isnt' really about you, your just a sacrificial lamb put out there by me tryign to get others to realize the sillyness of your style of recruiting. You put the glamour and glitz on your recruitment threads. I'm here to take that glitz and replace it with what it really is...bullshit...but I realize that there are still some guilds out there with respect and an awareness of the real world and how to balance that with games.
I'm done with this thread. Go ahead and get the last word in. At this point it doesn't matter.
~~Internet gaming is not for the faint of heart or the dumb of mind.~~
The guild is not just a PVE Heavy guild, it will participate in all facets of the game. We will be heavy into raiding, period. Raiding is just a term for when something can not be done with a simple group. When you need more than a small party, and have to invite extras, it then becomes a raid group. We will raid in RvR, and in instanced PVE. We are looking to be a guild of active players who know what they are doing. We do not want just anybody off of the street who has never played an MMORPG before let along never completed a console game.
If you want to raid, and know that 30+ people will be online at the specific time from one guild, this is the guild you should apply to. For me personally it is better to be in a small good hardcore guild than it is to be in a anybody can join guild because in the end the smaller guild who played better will do better. For one, you get to know people and how they react in certain situations, which lets you know what you have to do at that time as well. Bigger guilds may do okay because of numbers, but down the road the guild may be together for a year and you may be raiding with a group of 25 people and you only actually know 2 or 3 of them. This would make things more difficult. Also, if you do not know them, then you have no way of knowing when they will be online as well. This would lead to you having to now spend time you wasted with them, finding a guild to better suite your hours. In this guild, we know each other, we play games together, are active on the forums, and can trust each other.
We know that every single night we will be with the same 30+ people, raiding. Can you say the same for other guilds? We raid, period.
The whole application process wasn't commonplace until WoW came around. Before that I hadn't even met any guilds that used applications.
No offense, but my Everquest 1 guild had you apply beforehand to get in. Just because you never met a guild that made you apply until WoW, does not mean they are not out there. Just because you never met a Cop does not mean they do not exist.
Showing up at "AnomScorn's" beck and call, having to apply to a guild with an application just like a JOB? People, this is a game here. As such it should be treated like a game...even if it is an alternate fantasy setting which your supposed to immerse yourself in it doesn't require this much work in it. This is a game....PERIOD....nothing else. I do not understand why you are mad about the process in which we recruit. If you do not like the structure of having to fill out an application, then you do not. I am sure you wouldn't walk into a place that has a "now hiring" sign out front and then go inside and complain if they asked you to fill out an application, you just move on. This is a game, and we are treating it like a game. Some people take games more seriously than others. Football is a game, Baseball is a game. Those people sign binding contracts to play those games. You are trying out your entire career to play these games. Learn to look outside the box and you will see many games taken much more serious than what you are complaining about here.
I was goign to continue on with more reasons but I realize now that it's futile to try and persuade you to change the way you recruit. Wasn't really my intent to begin with, was actually hoping that others would read the thread and realize what my ponit was but obviously you think everything is about you. This isnt' really about you, your just a sacrificial lamb put out there by me tryign to get others to realize the sillyness of your style of recruiting. You put the glamour and glitz on your recruitment threads. I'm here to take that glitz and replace it with what it really is...bullshit...but I realize that there are still some guilds out there with respect and an awareness of the real world and how to balance that with games.
Why would you try to change the way a guild recruits to begin with? Also, if it wasn't your intent as you claim in the next sentence then why would you admit in the first sentence " it's futile to try and persuade you to change the way you recruit"? How is the way anybody recruits "bullshit"? We do things differently than you. We chose to have an application process, some guilds require a vent interview. Making people post an application shows that you are willing to put in time. If you are too lazy to post an application that at max takes 45 minutes to fill out, then it shows you aren't willing to put in the time for us. Obviously, you aren't going to waste an almost hour of your time filling out an application unless you were serious about it. How is that bullshit? What is the point of a pre-release guild accepting everyone they can when more than half of the people will likely not play the game, not play on that server, not keep in touch with the guild, and have to be cut?
We like our members, and all of our members obviously didn't have a problem with filling out an application. Almost forgot to add, if you are not in our guild, then why do you have so much concern for the way we recruit? Our recruiting doesn't affect you at all, so why so much worry? Relax, this isn't your guild, these aren't your members, these aren't your rules. We respect your guild thread and do not flame it, we should be treated with the same respect here. Be an adult.
I'm done with this thread. Go ahead and get the last word in. At this point it doesn't matter.
Like I said, it never should have mattered to you in the first place as it had and still has no impact on how you recruit, or your members.
UPDATE: We have done a recent cleanout and some older spots are now taken while some new spots have opened up. Look at the members page and check it out.
This allows members, and non-members, to view who is in Ventrilo and what we are doing! It's an awesome feature for members who do not want to log-on when nobody is online.. and for those who wants to make sure some people are on before they log in!
- Recent Posts
This will allow members, and possibly non-members, to view the latest 4-5 topics posted. This will let all of you non-members to view that we are an active guild and we take pride in being that active!
- Screenshot Location
With this, our members can submit their screenshots and I will post a new one daily (or whenever we get them in!).
- Member of the Week
This allows us to award one specific member a week, and sometimes longer if we cannot find one for the current week, with a special signature picture. It's more for the 'I've done a lot this week.. and he's my reward.' Once the game is here we will not be awarding DKP or anything that's in-game..
- Recruitment on the Main-Page
This allows non-members to pop in and see exactly what we are recruiting. As we are getting fuller, our recruitment is almost closed. Once we are at closed recruitment, we will remain at closed recruitment until 1 month Prior to launch. (If we need the members...) If not, we will remain closed into release.
I'm glad you all took the time to read this, if you didn't.. That's fine!
Come on and say hi at http://www.Scorn-WAR.com/ and hell, while you're there.. Submit an Application!
While discussing Recruitment Status during our Vent night we sat and listened to all of our members talk about what would be the best for the guild in terms of our recruitment status. After a long night of hearing about it we decided to reopen recruiting but keep it as a "low demand". As many of you can understand there will be people who are here now who may not be around when the game launches for a multitude of reasons. Either you can't find the time, you do not like the game like you thought, or you just are not active anymore. For these reasons and more, we feel it is best to go with the low demand status.
With the low demand recruitment, we are also going to raise our expectations for the applications that are sent to us. We want the best possible applications while still getting the feeling that the people applying would gel with the members we already have. To do this we are also going to go live with the Ventrilo interviews. Everybody writes that they have a working microphone and that they know how to use it, so we want to make sure these people applying do. Not only that, but we also think this would give us a better feel for their general attitude and that if they log on for an interview they will likely log on more in general to talk with the guild on a normal basis.
Along with that, we are enabling the Initiate Status. Basically, new applicants will be put on a "trial period" for four weeks. From there they will need to interact with the guild as much as possible doing events like logging into Ventrilo, posting on the forums, and just all around trying to get to know the rest of the guild. After the four weeks are up we will decide if the person is the right fit for Scorn.
Scorn recently just won a month long guild contest over at VOIG.com and the reward was a free 200 man vent server, four 6 months. It comes out to 200 dollars, and we now have it, free of charge for 6 months. ^_^ Thanks goes out to VOIG.com for the contest and being a quality site overall.
Not to be negative or anything but why are you handling recruitment of your guild the same way as 90% of the "hardcore" raid guilds of WOW and EQ2?
I'm just curious as it would seem that it is kinda a dis service in locking out and reopening your guild recruitment in that way for a RvR/PvP focused game that will have a very small amount of raiding content in it.
Just a question, maybe I am missing something here that you could enlighten me on about the guild?
Note:
I didn't read any of the other posts other than the first two recruitment posts by the leader (the others were winded) so forgive me if this question has been asked already.
Not to be negative or anything but why are you handling recruitment of your guild the same way as 90% of the "hardcore" raid guilds of WOW and EQ2? I'm just curious as it would seem that it is kinda a dis service in locking out and reopening your guild recruitment in that way for a RvR/PvP focused game that will have a very small amount of raiding content in it. Just a question, maybe I am missing something here that you could enlighten me on about the guild?
Note: I didn't read any of the other posts other than the first two recruitment posts by the leader (the others were winded) so forgive me if this question has been asked already.
We originally wanted to lock it to stop recruiting and just hang out until launch but we have a Vent meeting with all of our members and we agreed it was in the best interest of the guild to open recruitment and only accept the best applications. We never meant to "dis" anybody by it. The raids, by the way, will be separated by wings and each section is supposed to take around 2 hours. Three different raids per racial pairing or something of the like. What we mean by raids is both RvR and PVE. We may only do PVE very little, it depends on what will be best for the guild. For anymore questions on the guild, feel free to take it over to our forums on the public section as we are far more likely to respond over there..
I believe I am the only one who still responds here.
After much discussion, weighing the pros and cons of each side, and hearing feedback from everyone; we have decided on a "Core" ruleset server.
While this may not provide members with that element of danger while leveling that some may desire, it does remove the potential annoyance factors for our raiding/questing times and provides the guild and its members with the choice to PvP or PvE on our designated nights. We are a guild with a shared focus and we have chosen the server type that best reflects this.
"War is everywhere!" is what the game is about and still fully applies to a 'Core' server.
First, Scorn reached 10,000 posts! Hows that for your pre-release guild with an average of 30 members? We strive to be as active as we can and wear every possible Warhammer topic out. I believe we have managed to do so.
Second, with the new year right around the corner, we had a special Christmas present for our members. A completely new website layout. After about a month and a half of editing, image making, and script learning.. JT has finally finished it.
It's quite funny really, two months ago I was pestering JT about learning basic HTML, and now he's pestering me with the possibilities of it.
So drop by and say 'Hey' on our forums, or just take a look at the new website.
Alls well that ends well. On that note, Merry Christmas and Happy New Years all!
Scorn would like to wish everyone a Happy New Year! If you drink, don't drive, and if you drive, don't drink. Be safe but enjoy yourself and may 2008 bring you WAR and happiness!
I appreciate the dedication fansites like MMORPG and TenTonHammer have to games and their community of players, and fully support that Scorn took this as a great honor.
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Just for once I'd like to see a guild step away from the whole "WoW way of recruiting" and do what used to be done.
- Then later you mention how WoW is not the progenitor (is how it is really spelled), of the MMO world. How can you call a way of recruiting as the WoW way, when we're recruiting before the game is out. The 'WoW' way does not base applicant's on their application alone, WoW does not set the guidelines for asking certain questions as you have so obviously suggested.
This is my main reason for "flaming" ....gonna step off track here for a second to give you a true defnition of flaming...
From wiki (and no it's not the whole thing but this is why I've gone on a personal crusade on your guild).
...most often however, flames are angry or insulting messages transmitted by people who have strong feelings about a subject. Some equate flaming with simply letting off steam, though the receiving party may be less than pleased. Similarly, a normal, non-flame message may have elements of a flame -- it may be hostile, for example -- but it is not a flame if its author seriously intends to advance the discussion.
The whole application process wasn't commonplace until WoW came around. Before that I hadn't even met any guilds that used applications. It just wasn't something that was considered. Let me put it this way. Everyone and everything has rules....that's not my gripe. My gripe is that your making schedules already, your making raid schedules and requiring times for peopel to show up. Is this what you envisioned yourself doing while playing games? Showing up at "AnomScorn's" beck and call, having to apply to a guild with an application just like a JOB? People, this is a game here. As such it should be treated like a game...even if it is an alternate fantasy setting which your supposed to immerse yourself in it doesn't require this much work in it. This is a game....PERIOD....nothing else.
I was goign to continue on with more reasons but I realize now that it's futile to try and persuade you to change the way you recruit. Wasn't really my intent to begin with, was actually hoping that others would read the thread and realize what my ponit was but obviously you think everything is about you. This isnt' really about you, your just a sacrificial lamb put out there by me tryign to get others to realize the sillyness of your style of recruiting. You put the glamour and glitz on your recruitment threads. I'm here to take that glitz and replace it with what it really is...bullshit...but I realize that there are still some guilds out there with respect and an awareness of the real world and how to balance that with games.
I'm done with this thread. Go ahead and get the last word in. At this point it doesn't matter.
~~Internet gaming is not for the faint of heart or the dumb of mind.~~
Did you guys change from being end game raiding/PVE heavy yet?
The guild is not just a PVE Heavy guild, it will participate in all facets of the game. We will be heavy into raiding, period. Raiding is just a term for when something can not be done with a simple group. When you need more than a small party, and have to invite extras, it then becomes a raid group. We will raid in RvR, and in instanced PVE. We are looking to be a guild of active players who know what they are doing. We do not want just anybody off of the street who has never played an MMORPG before let along never completed a console game.
If you want to raid, and know that 30+ people will be online at the specific time from one guild, this is the guild you should apply to. For me personally it is better to be in a small good hardcore guild than it is to be in a anybody can join guild because in the end the smaller guild who played better will do better. For one, you get to know people and how they react in certain situations, which lets you know what you have to do at that time as well. Bigger guilds may do okay because of numbers, but down the road the guild may be together for a year and you may be raiding with a group of 25 people and you only actually know 2 or 3 of them. This would make things more difficult. Also, if you do not know them, then you have no way of knowing when they will be online as well. This would lead to you having to now spend time you wasted with them, finding a guild to better suite your hours. In this guild, we know each other, we play games together, are active on the forums, and can trust each other.
We know that every single night we will be with the same 30+ people, raiding. Can you say the same for other guilds? We raid, period.
UPDATE: We have done a recent cleanout and some older spots are now taken while some new spots have opened up. Look at the members page and check it out.
Update: After the most recent forum clean out I am in search of Squig Herders, so if this is what you are looking to play as, come apply!
With the release of our new website comes the release of new guild features!
You can view our website now at:
http://www.scorn-war.com/
Some new features:
- Ventrilo Live
This allows members, and non-members, to view who is in Ventrilo and what we are doing! It's an awesome feature for members who do not want to log-on when nobody is online.. and for those who wants to make sure some people are on before they log in!
- Recent Posts
This will allow members, and possibly non-members, to view the latest 4-5 topics posted. This will let all of you non-members to view that we are an active guild and we take pride in being that active!
- Screenshot Location
With this, our members can submit their screenshots and I will post a new one daily (or whenever we get them in!).
- Member of the Week
This allows us to award one specific member a week, and sometimes longer if we cannot find one for the current week, with a special signature picture. It's more for the 'I've done a lot this week.. and he's my reward.' Once the game is here we will not be awarding DKP or anything that's in-game..
- Recruitment on the Main-Page
This allows non-members to pop in and see exactly what we are recruiting. As we are getting fuller, our recruitment is almost closed. Once we are at closed recruitment, we will remain at closed recruitment until 1 month Prior to launch. (If we need the members...) If not, we will remain closed into release.
I'm glad you all took the time to read this, if you didn't.. That's fine!
Come on and say hi at http://www.Scorn-WAR.com/ and hell, while you're there.. Submit an Application!
Our guild was the first guild interview over at Only-WAR.com, you can read about it here:
http://www.only-war.com/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=97
We were also one of the first War-rvr ones as well and they were kind enough to post it today, too.
http://www.war-rvr.net/index.php?option=com_smf&Itemid=53&topic=3241.0
[Edited for Content]
We have decided to not close recruitment.
While discussing Recruitment Status during our Vent night we sat and listened to all of our members talk about what would be the best for the guild in terms of our recruitment status. After a long night of hearing about it we decided to reopen recruiting but keep it as a "low demand". As many of you can understand there will be people who are here now who may not be around when the game launches for a multitude of reasons. Either you can't find the time, you do not like the game like you thought, or you just are not active anymore. For these reasons and more, we feel it is best to go with the low demand status.
With the low demand recruitment, we are also going to raise our expectations for the applications that are sent to us. We want the best possible applications while still getting the feeling that the people applying would gel with the members we already have. To do this we are also going to go live with the Ventrilo interviews. Everybody writes that they have a working microphone and that they know how to use it, so we want to make sure these people applying do. Not only that, but we also think this would give us a better feel for their general attitude and that if they log on for an interview they will likely log on more in general to talk with the guild on a normal basis.
Along with that, we are enabling the Initiate Status. Basically, new applicants will be put on a "trial period" for four weeks. From there they will need to interact with the guild as much as possible doing events like logging into Ventrilo, posting on the forums, and just all around trying to get to know the rest of the guild. After the four weeks are up we will decide if the person is the right fit for Scorn.
- Anom
Scorn recently just won a month long guild contest over at VOIG.com and the reward was a free 200 man vent server, four 6 months. It comes out to 200 dollars, and we now have it, free of charge for 6 months. ^_^ Thanks goes out to VOIG.com for the contest and being a quality site overall.
The link can be found here:
http://www.voig.com/voig/ModuleList/LiveGroup/NewsList/Contest/2007/Nov/20/VoigContestResults.HTML
Not to be negative or anything but why are you handling recruitment of your guild the same way as 90% of the "hardcore" raid guilds of WOW and EQ2?
I'm just curious as it would seem that it is kinda a dis service in locking out and reopening your guild recruitment in that way for a RvR/PvP focused game that will have a very small amount of raiding content in it.
Just a question, maybe I am missing something here that you could enlighten me on about the guild?
Note:
I didn't read any of the other posts other than the first two recruitment posts by the leader (the others were winded) so forgive me if this question has been asked already.
We originally wanted to lock it to stop recruiting and just hang out until launch but we have a Vent meeting with all of our members and we agreed it was in the best interest of the guild to open recruitment and only accept the best applications. We never meant to "dis" anybody by it. The raids, by the way, will be separated by wings and each section is supposed to take around 2 hours. Three different raids per racial pairing or something of the like. What we mean by raids is both RvR and PVE. We may only do PVE very little, it depends on what will be best for the guild. For anymore questions on the guild, feel free to take it over to our forums on the public section as we are far more likely to respond over there..
I believe I am the only one who still responds here.
Roger that man, thanks for the reply.
I'm usually so busy posting and discussing things on our own website I tend to forget about some of the others.
After much discussion, weighing the pros and cons of each side, and hearing feedback from everyone; we have decided on a "Core" ruleset server.
While this may not provide members with that element of danger while leveling that some may desire, it does remove the potential annoyance factors for our raiding/questing times and provides the guild and its members with the choice to PvP or PvE on our designated nights. We are a guild with a shared focus and we have chosen the server type that best reflects this.
"War is everywhere!" is what the game is about and still fully applies to a 'Core' server.
CORE server!!!!!???!! Phooey! Phooey I say!
Best of luck to you guys and the guild. Would of liked to see you guys go Open RvR so I would have a challenge
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We would have liked to have gone with Open RvR but after much debate it seems that the best solution for the guild and its goals would be Core.
Gotta love Scorn! lol
A bunch of them just joined Warhammer Conflict and set right to killing each other . . well, killing Arkane at least!
I have two news topics for you today..
First, Scorn reached 10,000 posts! Hows that for your pre-release guild with an average of 30 members? We strive to be as active as we can and wear every possible Warhammer topic out. I believe we have managed to do so.
Second, with the new year right around the corner, we had a special Christmas present for our members. A completely new website layout. After about a month and a half of editing, image making, and script learning.. JT has finally finished it.
It's quite funny really, two months ago I was pestering JT about learning basic HTML, and now he's pestering me with the possibilities of it.
So drop by and say 'Hey' on our forums, or just take a look at the new website.
Alls well that ends well. On that note, Merry Christmas and Happy New Years all!
- Anom
They do enjoy destroying me on your site, don't they? Hmm... odd.
Scorn would like to wish everyone a Happy New Year! If you drink, don't drive, and if you drive, don't drink. Be safe but enjoy yourself and may 2008 bring you WAR and happiness!
SCORN has recently been chosen by TenTonHammer.com as their Guild of the month, for the month of January!
The announcement can be found here:
http://forums.tentonhammer.com/showthread.php?t=22558
The article can be found here:
http://warhammer.tentonhammer.com/index.php?module=ContentExpress&func=display&ceid=204
This is a very high honor and we are proud that they have chosen us and are very appreciative for the nomination!
I appreciate the dedication fansites like MMORPG and TenTonHammer have to games and their community of players, and fully support that Scorn took this as a great honor.