This just sadly prooves that this site has no real connection with the wow players it seems, what a shame, also shows that people from the other mmorpgs linger alot more here, i wonder why though...
Could it be that they seek another mmorpg more than the average wow player or does the average wow player just not care about this site or know about it?
I for one can say, as long those who play wow don't even consider moving to another mmorpg, they prolly won't even be stepping a foot in here or will never even participate in a pool as they either don't care about this site's overall opinion or simply don't need to "proove" anything for themselves or anyone else, which game they should/would rather play.
All i can say is, to this day since 2004 beta, no other mmorpg was able to rival WoW... sadly... however i did enjoy EvE, since it was the only proper space mmo out there but it's hard to compare wow to eve since they are different on so many levels, so that EvE got some favorable awards is nice, so hopefully the space mmo genre might increase, i bloody want more of them and with more and faster gameplay, think spacecowboy (Ace online) just a little more sophisticated, content, more ships, and more space.
All that aside, i'm looking forward to Age of Conan, hopefully it will be out before the next wow expansion.
This just sadly prooves that this site has no real connection with the wow players it seems, what a shame, also shows that people from the other mmorpgs linger alot more here, i wonder why though... Could it be that they seek another mmorpg more than the average wow player or does the average wow player just not care about this site or know about it? Or it could be that EvE players thanks partly to its corperate systema re more social than WoW players and actually like to visit other forums.
"Kill one man, and you are a murderer. Kill millions of men, and you are a conqueror. Kill them all, and you are a god." -- Jean Rostand
PAID and Played EVE..... This game is like paying for DARK PIRATES and OGAME! No real skill needed as long as you’re paying your monthly fees, log in long enough to pick a skill and leave. Playing WOW and EQ2 among others all of them have their strong and weak points. But to pick a game that has no real skill involved really bothers me. That’s 2 cents let the flame fest begin!
I came too MMORPG.com BEFORE I started playing EVE. This site is what got me into the game. It is the only Sci-fi MMO that is a blast to play, marginally more mature players, a very active and populated roleplaying community, and so many things to do. And the graphics rock to hell and back.
I vote for EVE because it deserved everything it got. LOTR and WoW are the same, with different colors of paint and a different shaped hat. Want your MMO to win, then frickin' vote instead of bitchin' when others vote for their sand it wins.
What amazes me...is the fact a mere 200K players can make a game win when others have a by far larger playerbase.
Only award i didnt agree on was the best free game of 2007.
Guild War was mixed with other games that you dont even have to pay for at all but gw still needs to be bought before you can play it for free online..
Guild Wars isn't a free game with micropayments or a premium membership as Dungeon Runners or Puzzle Pirates are for instance. Guild Wars has to be bought, then it can be played without a subscription fee afterwards.
Also it wouldn't qualify for micropayments as you can't officially buy virtual stuff for real money while you're actively playing the game (unless you count RMT). You've got the option to enter an In-game store 'before' entering the game world where you can buy chapters, character slots or skill packs, that's it.
So even if I like the game it doesn't fit in such a category.
Eve Online best MMO game? For me that proves only one thing: While players of other games actually have to play their game actively EvE Online players have all the time in the world to hang around on MMO related websites all day.
Originally posted by Phall Eve Online best MMO game? For me that proves only one thing: While players of other games actually have to play their game actively EvE Online players have all the time in the world to hang around on MMO related websites all day.
Actually, most of us have double-screen setups and surf the web when we do not do pvp or fly in wolfpacks.
Eve Online best MMO game? For me that proves only one thing: While players of other games actually have to play their game actively EvE Online players have all the time in the world to hang around on MMO related websites all day.
Actually, most of us have double-screen setups and surf the web when we do not do pvp or fly in wolfpacks.
I have a tripple screen setup myself.
1 screen for work
2nd for EvE.
3rd for Web surfing.
Also EvE is a very casuall game overall. And its great if you have a Life as you can paly well in EvE while having time to be with Friends and family etc.
Of course if you have no life and live in MoM's basement try one of the WoW clones or WoW itself.
"Kill one man, and you are a murderer. Kill millions of men, and you are a conqueror. Kill them all, and you are a god." -- Jean Rostand
Thing to consider is that this poll is weighted based on those who voted out of the current pool of members. But hey, something to talk about I guess... EQ2 still > WoW
Hello, my name is Rogee and I'm an old school UO'er who longs for the good ole' days.
My comment about Eve voters vs Eve player postings vs WoW posters:
Most Eve pilots are just here to read articles, not waste time bitching and moaning about trivial things (I don't know why I am even replying to this thread, but I digress).
I enjoyed UO, and I currently enjoy Eve because I'm not a mindless rat chasing the 'max level' or 'uber items' to make me feel good.
And EVE even missed a prize, it would win, no doubt: Best Graphics. There was simply no such award this year. EVE has a graphics in par with the pre-rendered production sci-fi movies. If you want to see EVE loosing, simply nominate it for the best in-game music award
In general, I've avoided posts about the awards because there's a lot of bickering back and forth. I do have two comments, however:
I don't believe GuildWars can truly be considered a f2p/micropayment game. Although one can play without subscription fees, one still has to buy the box (and, if desired, the subsequent expansions boxes).
I've never played either WoW or Eve, so I don't really care who won the big award and I've ignored all of the Eve is better/WoW is better threads, but I saw this post by an Eve player on the official Dungeon Runners boards and thought it was interesting.
What's also interesting is that EVE Online beat out WoW.
MMORPG.com is a very popular site with Eve players and is used in the metagaming side of Eve. As a result a lot of Eve players (including myself) have many accounts at MMORPG.com.
If it was limited to one vote per actual player the result would be different.
This Eve player implies that she and other Eve players voted per each of their accounts, which is cheating. Did mmorpg.com do anything to mitigate the possibility of bumping up votes through multiple accounts (IP checking, maybe)?
It's a poll on this site PPL, get a grip. It's like any other award thats based on votes.
If you want your fav to win then stop playing and jump on to the internet, surf over to this site and vote (unless your playing EVE in which case you can continue playing and surfing at the same time).
What it comes downt to is that if you like Fantasy you probably wouldnt have voted for EvE, but if you like Sci-Fi well to be honest there isant much to chose from is there?
Right now out of the Sci-Fi games EvE is probably the only one thats actually Votable [i.e. developed].
"Kill one man, and you are a murderer. Kill millions of men, and you are a conqueror. Kill them all, and you are a god." -- Jean Rostand
Spent a good half an hour reading so much posts, about how people should or should not come and vote for the game they play, about the 200 k people playing Eve and voting, well why the hell should a game be voted for only by the people who play it; How the readers poll has been cheeater by the readers. And little kids winning becouse their favorite game did not win.
And there was no one to consider that this was not about what game you play, but what is the best game(for instance) ... (from here on I will say why i think EvE deserves this prize) ... well surely the game with the stunning graphics(yes i am sure of that; my mother came in the room, one day long ago,took a look at the screen and asked "What is this game", "why" i was surprised, "it is so beautiful"), a great inovative gameplay that lets you loose in a virtual world, balansing old timers and new players(i hate being killed by lvl 70, who think it is fun, my self being times lower in the "WoW"). Oh i can describe the beautis of this vast game for hours, but i think anyone inteligent enough can go and see them for himself. But darn how can someone say that the game that puts the first 'M' in the "MMORPG" with the 40 000++ record in one place is not the best Mmorpg, just for this i think Eve deserves to be the best Massively Multieplayer Online Role Playing Game(and hell, you can really play some role in it, but can you in a game like "Wow", other than being the best raiding machine on this side of the world).
And please do not say EvE does not require skill. The only real meaning of this is that in combat you do not have to be able to press a gazillion keys per second. At least that is what is stated by some critics, but they have only seen the game in the 14 day trial. Trully as you engage in "massive" battles you need more skill than most other games require. And who the f*** says you do not need skill to play hte game overall, you just need to pay. Maybe becouse you just payed and did not play the game you never saw the true beauty of it.
P.s. Maybe So much Eve fans voted becouse they do not eve need to stop playing. They just put up the in game web browser visit the site and vote. While players of other "Morpg"s will have to get seperated from their game. It surely is fairly easy and guess what you can ask other people to do it in the in game chat, or maybe it has been propaganed on the eve-radio, although i haven't heard anything about this on it.
P.S. all the people who still think their favorite should have won nad have not tried all the rest of the games ( and i meean tried as in seen most of the game) should consider that it is about what is the best game, not "what are you playing now?"
What is disturbing here is that people still seem to think the most played games are automatically the best. Maybe, just maybe... the fact that EVE has fewer subscribers than WoW or EQ means it tailors to more specific tastes? I dunno.
You would think that people who fit in such a category would be far more satisfied overall, than a gamer who stumbled into some MMO with huge subscription base and equally huge turnover rate - wouldn't you?
EVE is not a perfect game by any stretch of imagination, despite the fact that it has been retail nearly five years and keeps winning this silly award. But like most of the people who voted for it, I would gladly vote for another better game if there was one. I just didn't see that option this year, or last year, or the year before that.
EVE is as good as it gets, and judging by the trends WoW set in the MMO genre I doubt we'll get something better anytime soon. So as you can see, even EVE players have a reason to be slightly depressed with the results.
You find it disturbing that the games played most are to be considered the best? According to that logic games with the smaller player base must be considered the better ones? The least bought games are those of the highest Quality? This is what I would call a jaundiced perspective.
Personally, I see the market as a pretty good indicator as to whenever a product holds any merit. Products which are great sell like the proverbial hot cakes whereas products which aren't don't. In the case of MMOs the players vote every month with their money, I find it hard to believe that customers would pay continuously for a service they dislike.
Huge subscription base and equally huge turnover rate indeed. I would rather conclude that any game with a huge subscriber base which is rapidly growing at the same time is accumulating players, and not loosing them. I would rather say games with small and/or slowly growing subscriber bases have to struggle a lot more with 'huge turnover'. Those probably aren't able to keep customers long enough to accumulate larger numbers. (Granted, they probably haven't got such a 'huge' turnover either for the simple reason they have nothing 'huge' in terms of subscriber numbers about them in the first place)
You find it disturbing that the games played most are to be considered the best? According to that logic games with the smaller player base must be considered the better ones? The least bought games are those of the highest Quality? This is what I would call a jaundiced perspective. Personally, I see the market as a pretty good indicator as to whenever a product holds any merit. Products which are great sell like the proverbial hot cakes whereas products which aren't don't. In the case of MMOs the players vote every month with their money, I find it hard to believe that customers would pay continuously for a service they dislike. Huge subscription base and equally huge turnover rate indeed. I would rather conclude that any game with a huge subscriber base which is rapidly growing at the same time is accumulating players, and not loosing them. I would rather say games with small and/or slowly growing subscriber bases have to struggle a lot more with 'huge turnover'. Those probably aren't able to keep customers long enough to accumulate larger numbers. (Granted, they probably haven't got such a 'huge' turnover either for the simple reason they have nothing 'huge' in terms of subscriber numbers about them in the first place)
Im sorry, but bigger = better makes no sense. Lets take eve and wow for example. If the products being compared was launched on a equal playing field then yes, the arguement could hold ground. This didnt happen though. Any big names in games and gaming companies is going to do better than a game launched from a company noones ever heard of. Eve grew through spread of mouth, not commercials with william shatner and mr t. It didnt have 15ish years of good games under its belt to bolster its game on.
Blizzard could launch a game that involves killing 1 mob over and over again inside a white box, and you know what it would sell millions of copies just because it has thier logo on it. Same with many other games, theres no differances between the hundreds of asian free mmo's and eq, uo, wow, l2, lotr. Theyre all cookie cutter mmo's that have barely anything differant, but the asian free mmo's dont have a name and that is why they have small player base's and will eventually die out into obscurity.
Now you take eve, it was launched as a relatively new type of mmo. The game was full of bugs at the beginning, but because it was something differant and had tons of potential people stuck with it. 4 years later the game is bigger than ever, consistently breaking its own server records(its somewhere around 42000 people online at once, from 3000 couple years back). A large amount of people from the beginning of the game is still playing, and the "turnaround" isnt very high, corp history is a testament to this.
The reason niche games dont have huge player base's is just that. They cater to specific audiances, instead of cookie cutter games, which dont bring in anything original just goes with what is known to work and plays off thier name to expand.
The proof can all be seen by whats coming out. Just look at aoc and warhammer, these games are going to be huge, theyre going to sell millions of copies even though noones played em yet. Theyre nothing differant than what has been done before, borrowed ideas from other games. But they will be sucessful, not because theyre any good, innovating, or bug-free but only because they have a pre-existing name and a cookie cutter gameplay that garuntee's their sucess.
Oh, and mcdonalds despite thier amazing sales do not have the best hamburgers either.
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This just sadly prooves that this site has no real connection with the wow players it seems, what a shame, also shows that people from the other mmorpgs linger alot more here, i wonder why though...
Could it be that they seek another mmorpg more than the average wow player or does the average wow player just not care about this site or know about it?
I for one can say, as long those who play wow don't even consider moving to another mmorpg, they prolly won't even be stepping a foot in here or will never even participate in a pool as they either don't care about this site's overall opinion or simply don't need to "proove" anything for themselves or anyone else, which game they should/would rather play.
All i can say is, to this day since 2004 beta, no other mmorpg was able to rival WoW... sadly... however i did enjoy EvE, since it was the only proper space mmo out there but it's hard to compare wow to eve since they are different on so many levels, so that EvE got some favorable awards is nice, so hopefully the space mmo genre might increase, i bloody want more of them and with more and faster gameplay, think spacecowboy (Ace online) just a little more sophisticated, content, more ships, and more space.
All that aside, i'm looking forward to Age of Conan, hopefully it will be out before the next wow expansion.
Take the Magic: The Gathering 'What Color Are You?' Quiz.
Yes I'm a big UO fan but that list is just silly , there are so many other games that deserved to be there or should have won..
I wish I could like Eve. I just can't.
"Kill one man, and you are a murderer. Kill millions of men, and you are a conqueror. Kill them all, and you are a god."
-- Jean Rostand
I came too MMORPG.com BEFORE I started playing EVE. This site is what got me into the game. It is the only Sci-fi MMO that is a blast to play, marginally more mature players, a very active and populated roleplaying community, and so many things to do. And the graphics rock to hell and back.
I vote for EVE because it deserved everything it got. LOTR and WoW are the same, with different colors of paint and a different shaped hat. Want your MMO to win, then frickin' vote instead of bitchin' when others vote for their sand it wins.
What amazes me...is the fact a mere 200K players can make a game win when others have a by far larger playerbase.
Damn us rabid fanbois who love our games. Stfu.
lol, wow.. Tabula Rasa got rejected.
Nice going Eve! Still my favorite MMO to date, besides oldschool UO :]
Waiting for Fallen Earth, World of Darkness, Old Republic, FFXIV
Only award i didnt agree on was the best free game of 2007.
Guild War was mixed with other games that you dont even have to pay for at all but gw still needs to be bought before you can play it for free online..
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Guild Wars isn't a free game with micropayments or a premium membership as Dungeon Runners or Puzzle Pirates are for instance. Guild Wars has to be bought, then it can be played without a subscription fee afterwards.
Also it wouldn't qualify for micropayments as you can't officially buy virtual stuff for real money while you're actively playing the game (unless you count RMT). You've got the option to enter an In-game store 'before' entering the game world where you can buy chapters, character slots or skill packs, that's it.
So even if I like the game it doesn't fit in such a category.
Eve Online best MMO game? For me that proves only one thing: While players of other games actually have to play their game actively EvE Online players have all the time in the world to hang around on MMO related websites all day.
Actually, most of us have double-screen setups and surf the web when we do not do pvp or fly in wolfpacks.
I have a tripple screen setup myself.Actually, most of us have double-screen setups and surf the web when we do not do pvp or fly in wolfpacks.
1 screen for work
2nd for EvE.
3rd for Web surfing.
Also EvE is a very casuall game overall. And its great if you have a Life as you can paly well in EvE while having time to be with Friends and family etc.
Of course if you have no life and live in MoM's basement try one of the WoW clones or WoW itself.
"Kill one man, and you are a murderer. Kill millions of men, and you are a conqueror. Kill them all, and you are a god."
-- Jean Rostand
Thing to consider is that this poll is weighted based on those who voted out of the current pool of members. But hey, something to talk about I guess... EQ2 still > WoW
Hello, my name is Rogee and I'm an old school UO'er who longs for the good ole' days.
My comment about Eve voters vs Eve player postings vs WoW posters:
Most Eve pilots are just here to read articles, not waste time bitching and moaning about trivial things (I don't know why I am even replying to this thread, but I digress).
I enjoyed UO, and I currently enjoy Eve because I'm not a mindless rat chasing the 'max level' or 'uber items' to make me feel good.
Skill based sandbox games for the win.
UO,EQ,AC,AO,DAoC,Lin,RoE,E&B,SB,EVE,PS,SL,SWG,TT,FFXI,
HZ,CoH,L2,Ryz,EQ2,WoW,GW,RF,DDO,SR,FoM,Van,
[snip]
Amazing, it took around 20 posts before someone made a swipe at SOE about SWG and the NGE. People must be slacking.
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Hopefully, the other companies behind the games are learning from Sony's mistake. Don't piss off your core fans.
It's really too bad. I liked SWG's space combat better than Eve's. It all the other SWG stuff that killed the game.
And EVE even missed a prize, it would win, no doubt: Best Graphics. There was simply no such award this year. EVE has a graphics in par with the pre-rendered production sci-fi movies. If you want to see EVE loosing, simply nominate it for the best in-game music award
In general, I've avoided posts about the awards because there's a lot of bickering back and forth. I do have two comments, however:
This Eve player implies that she and other Eve players voted per each of their accounts, which is cheating. Did mmorpg.com do anything to mitigate the possibility of bumping up votes through multiple accounts (IP checking, maybe)?
~Ripper
It's a poll on this site PPL, get a grip. It's like any other award thats based on votes.
If you want your fav to win then stop playing and jump on to the internet, surf over to this site and vote (unless your playing EVE in which case you can continue playing and surfing at the same time).
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Take the Magic: The Gathering 'What Color Are You?' Quiz.[/CENTER]
Hmm, just as expected.
What it comes downt to is that if you like Fantasy you probably wouldnt have voted for EvE, but if you like Sci-Fi well to be honest there isant much to chose from is there?
Right now out of the Sci-Fi games EvE is probably the only one thats actually Votable [i.e. developed].
"Kill one man, and you are a murderer. Kill millions of men, and you are a conqueror. Kill them all, and you are a god."
-- Jean Rostand
Spent a good half an hour reading so much posts, about how people should or should not come and vote for the game they play, about the 200 k people playing Eve and voting, well why the hell should a game be voted for only by the people who play it; How the readers poll has been cheeater by the readers. And little kids winning becouse their favorite game did not win.
And there was no one to consider that this was not about what game you play, but what is the best game(for instance) ... (from here on I will say why i think EvE deserves this prize) ... well surely the game with the stunning graphics(yes i am sure of that; my mother came in the room, one day long ago,took a look at the screen and asked "What is this game", "why" i was surprised, "it is so beautiful"), a great inovative gameplay that lets you loose in a virtual world, balansing old timers and new players(i hate being killed by lvl 70, who think it is fun, my self being times lower in the "WoW"). Oh i can describe the beautis of this vast game for hours, but i think anyone inteligent enough can go and see them for himself. But darn how can someone say that the game that puts the first 'M' in the "MMORPG" with the 40 000++ record in one place is not the best Mmorpg, just for this i think Eve deserves to be the best Massively Multieplayer Online Role Playing Game(and hell, you can really play some role in it, but can you in a game like "Wow", other than being the best raiding machine on this side of the world).
And please do not say EvE does not require skill. The only real meaning of this is that in combat you do not have to be able to press a gazillion keys per second. At least that is what is stated by some critics, but they have only seen the game in the 14 day trial. Trully as you engage in "massive" battles you need more skill than most other games require. And who the f*** says you do not need skill to play hte game overall, you just need to pay. Maybe becouse you just payed and did not play the game you never saw the true beauty of it.
P.s. Maybe So much Eve fans voted becouse they do not eve need to stop playing. They just put up the in game web browser visit the site and vote. While players of other "Morpg"s will have to get seperated from their game. It surely is fairly easy and guess what you can ask other people to do it in the in game chat, or maybe it has been propaganed on the eve-radio, although i haven't heard anything about this on it.
P.S. all the people who still think their favorite should have won nad have not tried all the rest of the games ( and i meean tried as in seen most of the game) should consider that it is about what is the best game, not "what are you playing now?"
This thread delivers on so many levels .. grats EvE, as for whiners and the other games fanboys:
What is disturbing here is that people still seem to think the most played games are automatically the best. Maybe, just maybe... the fact that EVE has fewer subscribers than WoW or EQ means it tailors to more specific tastes? I dunno.
You would think that people who fit in such a category would be far more satisfied overall, than a gamer who stumbled into some MMO with huge subscription base and equally huge turnover rate - wouldn't you?
EVE is not a perfect game by any stretch of imagination, despite the fact that it has been retail nearly five years and keeps winning this silly award. But like most of the people who voted for it, I would gladly vote for another better game if there was one. I just didn't see that option this year, or last year, or the year before that.
EVE is as good as it gets, and judging by the trends WoW set in the MMO genre I doubt we'll get something better anytime soon. So as you can see, even EVE players have a reason to be slightly depressed with the results.
You find it disturbing that the games played most are to be considered the best? According to that logic games with the smaller player base must be considered the better ones? The least bought games are those of the highest Quality? This is what I would call a jaundiced perspective.
Personally, I see the market as a pretty good indicator as to whenever a product holds any merit. Products which are great sell like the proverbial hot cakes whereas products which aren't don't. In the case of MMOs the players vote every month with their money, I find it hard to believe that customers would pay continuously for a service they dislike.
Huge subscription base and equally huge turnover rate indeed. I would rather conclude that any game with a huge subscriber base which is rapidly growing at the same time is accumulating players, and not loosing them. I would rather say games with small and/or slowly growing subscriber bases have to struggle a lot more with 'huge turnover'. Those probably aren't able to keep customers long enough to accumulate larger numbers. (Granted, they probably haven't got such a 'huge' turnover either for the simple reason they have nothing 'huge' in terms of subscriber numbers about them in the first place)
Im sorry, but bigger = better makes no sense. Lets take eve and wow for example. If the products being compared was launched on a equal playing field then yes, the arguement could hold ground. This didnt happen though. Any big names in games and gaming companies is going to do better than a game launched from a company noones ever heard of. Eve grew through spread of mouth, not commercials with william shatner and mr t. It didnt have 15ish years of good games under its belt to bolster its game on.
Blizzard could launch a game that involves killing 1 mob over and over again inside a white box, and you know what it would sell millions of copies just because it has thier logo on it. Same with many other games, theres no differances between the hundreds of asian free mmo's and eq, uo, wow, l2, lotr. Theyre all cookie cutter mmo's that have barely anything differant, but the asian free mmo's dont have a name and that is why they have small player base's and will eventually die out into obscurity.
Now you take eve, it was launched as a relatively new type of mmo. The game was full of bugs at the beginning, but because it was something differant and had tons of potential people stuck with it. 4 years later the game is bigger than ever, consistently breaking its own server records(its somewhere around 42000 people online at once, from 3000 couple years back). A large amount of people from the beginning of the game is still playing, and the "turnaround" isnt very high, corp history is a testament to this.
The reason niche games dont have huge player base's is just that. They cater to specific audiances, instead of cookie cutter games, which dont bring in anything original just goes with what is known to work and plays off thier name to expand.
The proof can all be seen by whats coming out. Just look at aoc and warhammer, these games are going to be huge, theyre going to sell millions of copies even though noones played em yet. Theyre nothing differant than what has been done before, borrowed ideas from other games. But they will be sucessful, not because theyre any good, innovating, or bug-free but only because they have a pre-existing name and a cookie cutter gameplay that garuntee's their sucess.
Oh, and mcdonalds despite thier amazing sales do not have the best hamburgers either.