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Howard Dean's gotta be shaking his head at this one
Enigma
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www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/01/06/nh.poll/index.html
I usually only follow the GOP in terms of primaries and the beginnings of the political race but since I met a very good friend of mine, I have been keeping my eye on the democratic as well. He is a die hard liberal and I am a conservative; sometimes its amazing we have such a great friendship!
Anyways, many weren't shock that Clinton lost the caucus in Iowa but many were shocked she placed third. Now, in a suprising turn of events, Hillary Clinton went from being in the lead in New Hampshire to double digits falling behind Obama.
This is amazing to me because a lot of media has been playing Hillary as being the PERFECT democratic candidate and I could never understand why. She doesn't have any strong experience in anything and her healthcare plan failed miserably when she was tinkering with it as the first lady.
Now, to be fair, Obama has hardly any experience either (when compared to Hillary) and neither does Edwards (Edwards is an Ambulance chaser more than a politician.
I asked my friend who he's voting for last week and he was rather grim. This is pretty much what he said:
Well, I was going to vote for Edwards. I still may but when I found out he has millions of dollars invested in the mortgage group that has forclosed on thousands of people in New Orleans following the Katrina disaster that sorta killed it for me.
No on in their right minds would vote for Hillary
I may be voting for Obama. He has a great vision, he's an excellant leader but he just doesnt have any experience.
Then he asked me who I was voting for. Strangely, I was in the same boat.
Well, I was going to vote for Mitt Romney but now it's like he isnt fighting hard enough. He really isn't clear with his own agendas.
I dont wanna vote for Giuliani (sp). He cheated on his wife and spent company money of his girlfriend while he was in office. He stands for abortion and strict gun control.
I used to like Huckebee a lot but now that he's pretty much broken the 11th commandment (bashing your fellow candidates), I don't feel him to be very "likeable."
You'd have to be crazy to vote for Ron Paul.
We'll see what happens but what I find interesting out of all of this is that Hillary isn't the perfect super model of the democratic party that the media thought she was. She bombed in every damn debate and she did rather horrible in the CBS debates a couple days ago. Obama smoked her in every situation.
People who have to create conspiracy and hate threads to further a cause lacks in intellectual comprehension of diversity.
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Well it just goes to show that even the media can't BS us when it comes to hillary lol
The media has considered Hillary a foregone conclusion since George Bush won the election in 2000. I think a lot of people on both sides of the political spectrum bought into that which is why the Republicans haven't tried very hard this election to put forth a serious candidate. Out of nowhere comes Obama, young and idealistic, who unexpectedly slaughters his rival in Illinois for the seat in the Senate in 2004 which causes the media to sit up and take notice.
Edwards has really benefited from Obama being in the campaign. If Obama wasn't running, Clinton would have destroyed Edwards a long time ago (I noticed in the ABC New Hampshire debate Edwards was trying to set the stage as being he and Obama against Clinton... methinks someone wants a second shot at V.P). But now Obama serves as a charismatic idealistic candidate in stark contrast to Clinton's battle hardened realism which works against Clinton. I think the elites in both parties are going to be shocked when she not only loses the nomination, but loses badly (no one more shocked than her). And since the Republicans haven't put up any serious competition and their candidates are splitting the party between the evangelicals and the fiscal conservatives (to the consternation of the Republican party leaders who had gotten used to buying the Christian Right's vote by pandering to issues like abortion and gay marriage)...it's a perfect storm of events propelling Obama into the White House.
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Life sucks, buy a helmet.
I hate to say that the above is pretty much correct....oh well..Obama is still better than Hillary.
Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.
Obama is better then Clinton, but they both suck.
Clinton can't win the independent votes, which is why Obama is doing so well in NH. If Clinton should somehow become the Democratic nominee, it (lack of independent votes) will be replayed in the general election and the Republican party will likely win*.
The only saving grace would be if Huckabee wins the Republican nominee (IMO). I'm not certain he can gain the trust of fiscal conservatives or indepedents who don't care for the social conservative agenda.
There's nothing wrong with Obama when it comes to people with power- he's the best you're going to see for a long, long time. So quit whining.
Everyone with money and power is on drugs, soliciting gay sex in men's rooms, using company/taxpayer funds for family and friends, or whatever else I saw in the news this year that I'm forgetting.
What's the worst Obama has done?
"Senator Barack Obama (D-IL): A “Dishonorable Mention” last year, Senator Obama moves onto the “ten most wanted” list in 2007. In 2006, it was discovered that Obama was involved in a suspicious real estate deal with an indicted political fundraiser, Antoin “Tony” Rezko. In 2007, more reports surfaced of deeper and suspicious business and political connections It was reported that just two months after he joined the Senate, Obama purchased $50,000 worth of stock in speculative companies whose major investors were his biggest campaign contributors. One of the companies was a biotech concern that benefited from legislation Obama pushed just two weeks after the senator purchased $5,000 of the company’s shares. Obama was also nabbed conducting campaign business in his Senate office, a violation of federal law."
Is that it? The man is a relative saint compared to other politicans. It's like the average citizen holds these people impossible standards when they themselves are either no better, or just as corruptible given the same money, power and influence.
Hope you got your things together. Hope you are quite prepared to die. Looks like we're in for nasty weather. ... There's a bad moon on the rise.
Only Ron Paul can save us from the NWO.
Hail Neo, full of pwnage, Morpheus is with thee
Blessed art thou among Zion, and blessed is the roundhouse against Smith.
Holy Neo, pray for us now, and at the hour of Victory, Amen.
Hilary never had a chance in my book. Perhaps IM the only one, but when I thought of Hilary as Prez ...I get the same feeling as when I think that George Bush is the Prez.
Obama has my vote. Honestly, no experience can be a good thing when you consider how crappy our experienced politicians are.
I think the best choice come general election would be a Obama vs McCain matchup
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Keep telling yourself that the NWO exists and I'm sure it'll make it true...and keep telling yourself that Ron Paul is the messiah as well, It's the only way he's going to get votes.
ps. Huckabee is NOT a social conservative when it comes to policy issues such as public aid programs, he's actually pretty liberal....which is a major reason why I don't feel like I can vote for him.
Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.
I like Ron Paul the best out of the ones still running, except one he isn't going to get the nomination and two he isn't extreme enough for me, I wanted to vote for Kent McManigal, cause he is radical and I am too, but eh it will never happen and he is no longer running.
But really I can't think of who I would vote for, I would guess that it will be between Obama and I am not sure who will ge it for the republicans, Romney, maybe, probably not.
Guess I am better off not voting in this situation, freedom is not something you vote for anyway, just kind something you earn, or at least keep others from taking from you.
Don't you worry little buddy. You're dealing with a man of honor. However, honor requires a higher percentage of profit
I'm confused...
Usually people that believe in this NWO business say that the U.S. elections are rigged, that the CFR candidate always wins, that Democracy is an illusion in the United States, that the U.S. President is either a puppet or in collusion with the NWO etc. etc.
1) If you conspiracy theorists actually believe that, how do you expect Ron Paul to win under those circumstances? I've already seen some Ron Paul supporters claiming the votes for Ron Paul in Iowa were tampered with. It's like his supporters have deluded themselves into believing that if they're loud and obnoxious enough and post about him enough in threads that have nothing to do with him that it will translate into votes!
2) If he were such a threat to your "NWO", why isn't he already 6 feet under? I'll tell you why. Because Ron Paul doesn't actually care about defeating your bogeyman, he's just using people like you to support his run for the White House where he can enact his misguided libertarian agenda.
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Life sucks, buy a helmet.
No, only you can save yourself from oppression, relying on someone else to save you from something is really no different than relying on the government, you are inadvertantly making yourself weak.
Don't you worry little buddy. You're dealing with a man of honor. However, honor requires a higher percentage of profit
Don't worry. Michael Savage will be running in 2012
People who have to create conspiracy and hate threads to further a cause lacks in intellectual comprehension of diversity.
Don't worry. Michael Savage will be running in 2012
Damn.. still 4 years away. Ah well, good things come to those who wait.
I didn't know anything about Michael Savage, so i looked stuff up about him.
He has one good point, about smaller government, but his social views, wow, he sounds like a bigot to me.
Don't you worry little buddy. You're dealing with a man of honor. However, honor requires a higher percentage of profit
lol, he's hardly a bigot. You should listen to him....he's on the radio every single night with a nightly viewer rate of over 25 million. Not saying just because he has 25 million viewers every night doesnt make him a bigot but if you listen to him, you may like what he has to say.
People who have to create conspiracy and hate threads to further a cause lacks in intellectual comprehension of diversity.
I'm confused...
Usually people that believe in this NWO business say that the U.S. elections are rigged, that the CFR candidate always wins, that Democracy is an illusion in the United States, that the U.S. President is either a puppet or in collusion with the NWO etc. etc.
1) If you conspiracy theorists actually believe that, how do you expect Ron Paul to win under those circumstances? I've already seen some Ron Paul supporters claiming the votes for Ron Paul in Iowa were tampered with. It's like his supporters have deluded themselves into believing that if they're loud and obnoxious enough and post about him enough in threads that have nothing to do with him that it will translate into votes!
2) If he were such a threat to your "NWO", why isn't he already 6 feet under? I'll tell you why. Because Ron Paul doesn't actually care about defeating your bogeyman, he's just using people like you to support his run for the White House where he can enact his misguided libertarian agenda.
I've always thought of the NWO more as a movement rather than an actual group that labels themselves as such. Sort of like when people talk about things as the "glass ceiling" in business, or Adam Smith's "invisible hand" when it comes to capitalism. Look around you can see the NWO and it's workings if you think of itas more a metaphor. I think that's what daddy Bush was talking about in his speech.Regardless, it's still a dangerous movement and I completely believe it is real. It's an expected outcome from the globalists and their grabbing of power and control.
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Don't worry. Michael Savage will be running in 2012
I don't think a man who proudly states "Liberalism is a mental disorder" is going to have a very easy time getting elected...not that I disagree with him.
Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.
lol, he's hardly a bigot. You should listen to him....he's on the radio every single night with a nightly viewer rate of over 25 million. Not saying just because he has 25 million viewers every night doesnt make him a bigot but if you listen to him, you may like what he has to say.
Savage is (OFF THE CHAIN) but not a bigot.
Trade in material assumptions for spiritual facts and make permanent progress.
lol, he's hardly a bigot. You should listen to him....he's on the radio every single night with a nightly viewer rate of over 25 million. Not saying just because he has 25 million viewers every night doesnt make him a bigot but if you listen to him, you may like what he has to say.
Savage is (OFF THE CHAIN) but not a bigot.
Ill agree to that lol. He is off the chain!
People who have to create conspiracy and hate threads to further a cause lacks in intellectual comprehension of diversity.
I keep hearing this BS "experience" argument getting tossed around, so let me remind you how much "experience" Premier Bush brought with him:
Michael Brown, head of FEMA, lawyer, and ran an Arabian Horse Company prior to heading FEMA. Complete waste of skin, had no idea how to run FEMA.
Donald Rumsfeld, Secretary of Defense , 3 years in the Navy, investment banker and served on economic committees in Congress. This man had zero experience with anything defense oriented, and regards himself as an economist. He resigned from pressure, and was replaced.
Did you know that the individual in charge of Iraq recontruction of Iraq was an intern prior to being offerred that job? He has zero work experience, literally, ZERO.
We as a country are serously fucked, and we need some major damage control. You fickle people amaze me with your "I don't think he/she has enough experience.". You say these things like you actually know what you are talking about. We have been governed by Mr. Magoo for the last 8 years, so please wake up and realize that the only direction is up amongst ANY of the candidates, and the lesser amount of experience a candidate has, the better off we will be.
Premier Bush brought a bunch of cronies to the White House with him, and has had to replace almost every last one of them due to incompetence. Saddest part is, Bush would be what you people call "experienced"...
WTF are you jabbering about? Rumsfeld was Secretary of Defense under President Ford (before serving under Bushie), served in various positions under Nixon, served four terms in the U.S. House of Representatives, and was a U.S. Ambassador to NATO.
Yeah, and he lasted a whopping 2 years under Ford as Secy. of Defense, and every other office he has held has been just as temporary.
If you Wiki Rummy, you will see that a majority of his experience is on the economic side of things, and not defense related. He certainly had zero experience waging a war, that much is clear.
I stand corrected about the Ford appointment though, I did forget to mention that