please explain to me how this is SOE's fault..love to hear this
Are you serious?
We, as players, may not no how directly involved SoE is in the game failing, BUT it's very obvious that every game they touch burns down quicker than a midget soaked in gasoline.
You know damn right, if it were possible, if Blizzard took over SWG it'd be the top mmorpg; even over wow. SoE and NCsoft are just trying to complie the biggest batch of value bin titles so they can offer an open door subscription. The games stand alone are trash, but if you can play them all enough trash actually equals something of value . . . even if very little value.
Exactly, even if SOE isnt making it but if i see SOE is involved some how, even if only they are publishing it i know for some odd reason the game will suck.
Only thing that will kill World of warcraft is World of warcraft 2
Now i for one wanted POTBS i loved the concept, i knew SOE was making it but i didnt care, maybe they have learn their lession. But heres numerous reasons why POTBS fails and why all SOE games will eventually or have failed. 1. No mutliple server ruleset, This stopped and died with everquest. Even on EQ2 first release did not have PVP. A mmorpg needs two rulesets the PVE carebear server and the full blown PVP server were combat happens everywhere. POTBS could of used the two server ruleset, where PVP can happen everywhere. 2. I now learn the fact that POTBS is mostly all instaced cutting two halfs of the game one instance for people that want to quest which is even broken down to another instance in order too see another person on the questing instance you need to be grouped...which i mean come on with how its toooo easy to solo who will want to group? Then the instanced open waters where nothing happens but PVP and its ...CONSENTUAL. This would be okay if there were two rulesets, consentual PVP and non Conesentual PVP. 3. We cant board other peoples ships, this right here is a major failure, i would like to board a ship of another player and fight with their crew. 4. All quest will happen on ship, you cant go and explore lands and fight with your own avatar every quest is finding a ship and destroying the ship or going on the ship and destroying every one on board, theres no going to different lands and exploring the different lands.
SOE should give up and just give the players they lost what they want Old school SWG server, old school EQ server w/e because the games they are releasing just are not hitting the spot.
Just to put you right on a few things:
1. To all those that use this 'carebear' 'pvpers are better than other gamers' crap can seriously stick the term carebear where the sun doesn't shine. Nothing personal, but the idea that some gamers are better/more important than others because of their game style just pisses me off sometimes.
2. The instancing is pretty seamless actually. At first I thought an instanced game wouldn't be to my tastes, but it fits this game perfectly.
3. You want to board other player's ships to fight their crew? Those crew members are AI npcs you know? You'll get the same excitement with boarding npc ships.
4. Wrong. There are a ton of land-based quests. And limited exploration, plus cleverly done, seamless instancing for story quests and such. Plus, they'll probably expand on the land-based stuff as time goes by. Remember that the release game isn't the be-all and end-all of the game's content. That's the beauty of MMOs mate
cut the crap SOE was developing vanguard right along side that other crap company, SOE has a bad name so how does it hide its name by saying they are not developing.
Yes please cut the crap. I for one am sick of clueless posts with no other point than to bash SOE. In Vanguard's case, SOE saved that game from vaporware. In POTBS, they haven't done jack with the development. Give it a rest already. The SOE hate is so two years ago, and it's getting old. Some people just repeat the same garbage over and over. Come to think of it, they'd make a good parrot in POBTS -- "Sqauk! SOE sucks, SOE sucks... Polly-Troll want a cracker."
Personally, I'm none too bothered by people railing on SOE. It's deserved in a way, and as a vet of SWG myself, I understand the 'pain' all too well. What does get really tiring is the willfully ignorant hate by so many people here that don't really know why their hating (the worst kind of willful ignorance there is!) and probably never even experienced the feeling of loss that SWG vets feel.
It's one thing to blame SOE for mistakes they did make, it's another to blame them for mistakes they didn't make.
And considering it's PEOPLE that do things and SOE is a company, then it's entirely possible that the PEOPLE who fucked up SWG are no longer even working for SOE.
Btw, anyone who doesn't like EQ these days, can go cry somewhere else, it's better now than it was when PoP came out.
From the first few sentences the OP destroyed his credibility as anything more than a FFA PvP whiner by
A: Using the term carebare and
B: Proceeding to complain about nothing but the fact that he cant randomly gank everyone for every point thereon.
Now, don't get me wrong, theres nothing wrong with PvP. I love it, I miss old school UO. The FFA whiners that are looking for more gank fodder because they think it makes them "hardcore!" and everyone else is a carebare, yeah, they make all PvPers look bad -_-
Actually Sony is an awesome MMO publisher. The fact that Everquest is still going strong after so many years proves it. I am glad you like your WoW, but there is room for other types of gaming styles that involve a higher degree of challenge and an increased sense of reward.
Actually Sony is an awesome MMO publisher. The fact that Everquest is still going strong after so many years proves it. I am glad you like your WoW, but there is room for other types of gaming styles that involve a higher degree of challenge and an increased sense of reward. Oh and btw, Sony did not design POTBS.
They just buy a lot of games and kill them when they got their money. SOE has a different strategy than Blizzard or NCsoft has. SOE supports a lot of small and dying games, and buys up low budget games and produces them. A ton of small mediocre games that few play = 1 good game that a lot play, is their business strategy.
Well apparently my last post was deleted for "flaming" but whatever... only happens to someone every time the post about how WoW Customer Service has screwed them over or something to that degree but here it is again.
ok. to set a few things straight here
1. i went through your previous postings and nothing about them has proven to add to the subject of the conversation at hand *edited for niceness*
2. now that thats out of the way, Flying Lab Software has been developing Pirates of the Burning Sea for quite a whiles now, i think the total development time on the project has taken now well over 5 years.
3. $OE has only come into the picture recently, as in the last 6-7 months recently. If thats enough time for $OE to get there hands in on the development of the game to change the core of it all then all these other companies telling us it'll take years to develop a new MMO have been bullshitting us.
4. You don't sound like you've ever played the game OR beta OR even read up on the game, and while its not my cup o' tea i can tell you that yes, there is avatar combat of all sorts, however little and unpleasing it is.
5. You bitch about vanguard but yet you refuse to acknowledge the fact that $OE bought out Sigil Games "Vanguard: Saga of Heroes is a high fantasy-themed massively multiplayer online role-playing game (MMORPG) created by Sigil Games Online, and now developed and run by Sony Online Entertainment." - Wikipedia.com
6. You bitch and bitch about $OE and how they eat games but yet you refuse to do the research on them and the games they've eaten.
7. I, by no extent of the imagination, am a fanboi of $OE, nor am i a fanboi of PotBS. It simply goes that credit is given where it is due and i give full credit to FLS for their development of a new and original game, despite the fact that it may not agree with many peoples taste.
8. *editied so i can play nice with the other kids*
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I hate (Insert random SOE Game or if need be World of Warcraft)! I would give you real reasons why I hate them but I really don't understand whats going on so even if I tried they wouldn't make any sense. I can't believe how much (SWG or WoW) Sucks, I know it's really non of my business what other people enjoy but I really can't help but stick my nose in their business. I think every game in the world should be like (Insert Eve OR Warhammer but must conclude with, even though I've never played it.)
Now having said that.... WHO THE F__K CARE'S!!!! Honestly... Ok if you were one of the ones that got screwed over with SWG, I'm sorry, ya that sucks big time but its been awhile now... Can we move on? Or shall we argue why bush got in again as well? Cause really it doesn't matter the fact is, it happened and theres nothing we can do now. Is SOE a bad publisher... I don't know, I don't like all their games... and I'm not a fan of their support team but god... I don't like having to use support at all so I've never had a good experience with it from any company.
I want to ask one of these haters, and I don't care who answeres but I know your out there....
Now i for one wanted POTBS i loved the concept, i knew SOE was making it but i didnt care, maybe they have learn their lession. But heres numerous reasons why POTBS fails and why all SOE games will eventually or have failed. 1. No mutliple server ruleset, This stopped and died with everquest. Even on EQ2 first release did not have PVP. A mmorpg needs two rulesets the PVE carebear server and the full blown PVP server were combat happens everywhere. POTBS could of used the two server ruleset, where PVP can happen everywhere. 2. I now learn the fact that POTBS is mostly all instaced cutting two halfs of the game one instance for people that want to quest which is even broken down to another instance in order too see another person on the questing instance you need to be grouped...which i mean come on with how its toooo easy to solo who will want to group? Then the instanced open waters where nothing happens but PVP and its ...CONSENTUAL. This would be okay if there were two rulesets, consentual PVP and non Conesentual PVP. 3. We cant board other peoples ships, this right here is a major failure, i would like to board a ship of another player and fight with their crew. 4. All quest will happen on ship, you cant go and explore lands and fight with your own avatar every quest is finding a ship and destroying the ship or going on the ship and destroying every one on board, theres no going to different lands and exploring the different lands.
SOE should give up and just give the players they lost what they want Old school SWG server, old school EQ server w/e because the games they are releasing just are not hitting the spot.
MORE SOE bashing?tons and i mean TONS of clueless players who feed BS.
FLYING LABS SOFTWARE developed this game.SOE financially backed the final fantasy series when they were near bankrupt,on premise they were only developed for ps2.Ya that series was a big failure since SOE got involved ..rflmao.
The SWG posts are never ending lol.Ya while SOE is giving the certain percentage the type of server they want ,maybe they should ask the rest of the public what kind of server they want too or wouldn't that be fair now?i mean i hear so many saying SOE doesn't listen right?or were you select few just relating selfishly to yourselves?SOE should ONLY listen to yourselves and not everyone.
A big lol ,ya wouldn't that be amazing if SOE could keep 100% of the playerbase happy?I guess SOE is the big bad evil forever,because i know for a FACT 100% will NEVER be happy.
Here is a question for all you SOE bashers.Since WOW/blizzard is the biggie goodie two shoes in the mMO?why are not all the developers turning to blizzard/vivendi to market there games?Why would they be turning to SOE if SOE is so bad?Just maybe the developers who have a heck of alot more insight into the industry than ANY of us ,know what they are doing?You think just maybe,perhaps?
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Another great flame bait post! Gotta love em Here I'll make it easier for all you haters!
I hate (Insert random SOE Game or if need be World of Warcraft)! I would give you real reasons why I hate them but I really don't understand whats going on so even if I tried they wouldn't make any sense. I can't believe how much (SWG or WoW) Sucks, I know it's really non of my business what other people enjoy but I really can't help but stick my nose in their business. I think every game in the world should be like (Insert Eve OR Warhammer but must conclude with, even though I've never played it.)
Now having said that.... WHO THE F__K CARE'S!!!! Honestly... Ok if you were one of the ones that got screwed over with SWG, I'm sorry, ya that sucks big time but its been awhile now... Can we move on? Or shall we argue why bush got in again as well? Cause really it doesn't matter the fact is, it happened and theres nothing we can do now. Is SOE a bad publisher... I don't know, I don't like all their games... and I'm not a fan of their support team but god... I don't like having to use support at all so I've never had a good experience with it from any company. I want to ask one of these haters, and I don't care who answeres but I know your out there.... Why do you care what other people play?
Ok, yawn, why make a post if you care so little yourself. You're no better than anyone hating SOE, trust me.
Here is a question for all you SOE bashers.Since WOW/blizzard is the biggie goodie two shoes in the mMO?why are not all the developers turning to blizzard/vivendi to market there games?Why would they be turning to SOE if SOE is so bad?Just maybe the developers who have a heck of alot more insight into the industry than ANY of us ,know what they are doing?You think just maybe,perhaps?
Wel, that's easy to answer. Because Blizzard makes 1 decent game, like it or not, it's done, it's a finished game with good content / servers / support.
SOE has 20+ games that suck. Sucky games need publishers too, that's where SOE usually helps. The consequence is that they have very bad customer support for their games.
That's why people don't like SOE, they have build a track record, and it's not a good one.
I like playing games. I'm a SOE Station Access Subscriber just because I want to piss you people off who are SOE haters. I also have Subs to WoW, EVE, and Tabula Rasa. I enjoy playing all of them for different things.
I like PotBS. I can seriously see it sucking up TONS of my time.
Is the most important thing that I enjoy it, and not that you don't? That's what I go by, I like it... I could care less if you do or not because that's your personal taste. I hope you play a game you do like as much as I found some I like.
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I think all of you with your complete and intimant knowledge of who made what and the actual inner workings of SOE and the other companies should start your own company and make games.
I mean you all seem to know so much of what your talking about. Or act like it?
You guys take these things waaaay too personally, like peoples opinions or lack there of on companies, is a direct affront to your existence. Go outside, get fresh air. Go sailing you all seem to like pirates, hell you could even get 2 boats and throw rocks at each other.
I think all of you with your complete and intimant knowledge of who made what and the actual inner workings of SOE and the other companies should start your own company and make games.
I mean you all seem to know so much of what your talking about. Or act like it?
You guys take these things waaaay too personally, like peoples opinions or lack there of on companies, is a direct affront to your existence. Go outside, get fresh air. Go sailing you all seem to like pirates, hell you could even get 2 boats and throw rocks at each other.
I do work for a publisher and used to be a GM for a couple of different companies. Knowing how it works and having the necessary skills, experience and financial power to do itself, are worlds apart.
Though, I think the industry is a little twisted, they expect a programmer to design a great game, but being able to programme and being able to design are two totally different things. I know plenty of programmers who can solve problems presented to them, but lack imagination and creative talent. And in the case of Vanguard for example, Brad is a competent programmer, and is imaginative and creative, but he lacks management skills and couldn't manage the team or the development of the game. So much is put onto the shoulders of people who can't always do it, and they wonder why so much crap gets released.
I find it amazing that every now and then this "SOE is a failure at everythibg they do" type of thread pops up.For me failure in a mmo is 2 things:
1.The game NEVER made it out of development.
2.The game is published and after it goes live say 2 years or less it just shuts down after subs fall to a point of unprofitability and game is shut down.
Lets not forget wich developer really made this genre mainstream with the original EQ.I get so tired of the SOE haters and their twisted logic sometimes.
As a matter of fact i just subbed to EQ2 and omg your not going to beleive this IM HAVING FUN!!!
(now go ahead and tell me i cant possibly be having fun im just disillusioned)
cut the crap SOE was developing vanguard right along side that other crap company, SOE has a bad name so how does it hide its name by saying they are not developing.
Apparently the OP is very mis-informed or just does not browse the internet farther then MMORPG.com. Sony did not develop POTBS, Vanguard. These games were already perceived and in beta test before Sony ever got the chance to put there hands on it. This is very apparent by the million discussions and handful of developer replys stating at what point Sony started helping with development. With Vanguard, all the way up till open beta, it had less than a handful of people from SOny working with the game. And there work was not based around the game development, but more so finishing content and art. This was already said by one very very very depressed ex-Sigil employee. Sony only publishes POTBS. I dont see how you cant clearly see the difference between publisher and developer. Forgot all the people who go around saying Sony is some complete failure. They dont ruin games. The companys who made the game ruined it. They just try to help falling games. This is probably there major downfall. Now this is not to say Sony has not warped other games after they take over. But to be honest, theyve done more for some games then the previous company could of ever done.
As most will tell ya, with success comes people who will hate you because of your success. You can easily look at Blizzard's WoW and see why this happens. It not only happens in the gaming industry, but every industry. People will always find someone to blame someone else, if not only to make themselves look better then that said person/place or thing. You can very well go around, and keep thinking Sony ruined all these games for you. But while your doing that, I will be having fun playing games. Because i see games as pleasurement. And i trully hate to argue with pleasurement. So enjoy!
Originally posted by Opticaleye 2.The game is published and after it goes live say 2 years or less it just shuts down after subs fall to a point of unprofitability and game is shut down.
well iuno about that one... i mean EA bought out Westwood and shut down E&B to make server space for the sims online...
"And after blizzard takes over the world, they are gonna gather a bunch of lemmings, sit on their fat asses near a cliff, and watch the little fuzzy bastards suicide dive into the ground below. . . . . all just for their own entertainment."
I dislike SOE as much as the next guy, but let's be realistic here. Most SOE games are successful. They kept EQ from alive for a long time and they created a successful sequel. SWG was a huge success back in the day, and although the population has decreased, it is still profitable. Planetside was not widely popular, but it had a devoted core of players that kept it profitable. MXO is in the same situation as Planetside. The only SOE game you could consider a real failure (imo) is Vanguard, and SOE didn't make that one.
please explain to me how this is SOE's fault..love to hear this
I think SOE's "fault" was to back the game at all. All the issues it has were there long before SOE had anything to do with it.
Maybe I'm just heavily biased against instancing, as that's the number one reason the game failed to interest me at all. Wish it had uninstanced open sea travel and combat like POTCO, which seems like a sad statement, somehow. Even better, if the indoor areas were public and uninstanced, too. I'd rather repeition and weak story, than be in my own little world. So much instancing takes away the Massively Multiplayer bit, while it's not like the gameplay (of any MMO) will even hold a candle to a half decent single-player game, without it.
People who like instancing, though, maybe there are enough of them to keep the game popular, and I guess that's what SOE's banking on. It's a good concept, and at least they're getting some much needed financial support. Even if the instancing kills it for many of us.
Like others here are saying, it's hard to see SOE as the bad guy this time
When I want a single-player story, I'll play a single-player game. When I play an MMO, I want a massively multiplayer world.
Here is a question for all you SOE bashers.Since WOW/blizzard is the biggie goodie two shoes in the mMO?why are not all the developers turning to blizzard/vivendi to market there games?Why would they be turning to SOE if SOE is so bad?Just maybe the developers who have a heck of alot more insight into the industry than ANY of us ,know what they are doing?You think just maybe,perhaps?
Wel, that's easy to answer. Because Blizzard makes 1 decent game, like it or not, it's done, it's a finished game with good content / servers / support.
SOE has 20+ games that suck. Sucky games need publishers too, that's where SOE usually helps. The consequence is that they have very bad customer support for their games.
That's why people don't like SOE, they have build a track record, and it's not a good one.
Man some of your posts are funny.
SOE has 7 games on the station access, which is pretty much all they have (and one of those is for the PS2). Plus they are going to add PoTBS when it comes out (Even though they arent developing it) and they are working on The Agency. So that is actually 9 games, not 20, and they actually only developed 6 of those.
And since you stated your opinion as fact that they all suck, then i will state my opinion as fact and say that they do not all suck.
And i have never once had a problem with SOE customer service playing two of those games over about a 6 year span, though i know others who have had problems. But then i know people that have had problems with Blizzard customer service also. I dont think there is any customer service that someone cannot complain about.
SOEs track record has been pretty good as far as i am concerned. EQ was the king for years, true it is not the same game it was but it has been out for 9 years. EQ2 has a strong player base that really likes the game, Planetside was very much a niche game and i doubt even SOE thought they would have big numbers with it, SWG has pissed alot of people off with the NGE but that game certainly effected many peoples lives. Matrix was vaporwear until SOE bought it out and Vanguard was on the way. SOE should be applauded for saving those games so players that like them can continue to play them, and people are playing both of them right now.
And to your comment about SOEs style of having multiple games and have smaller populations as opposed to Blizzards one game that has a huge population. Why is that a bad strategy? There is not reason to try to go up against the overly simplified mass appeal MMOlite that is WoW. Too many companys are trying to do that now and making complete crap games. Why not have multiple niche games that have loyal fan bases and run with those. You dont need 9 million subscribers to make a healty profit, and SOE is making a very healthy profit.
You can blame SOE for the dumbing down of SWG, the easyfying (made that one up) of EQ, and the soloability of EQ2 if you want. I choose to blame WoW for all of these. All of these changes were made by developers that wanted a piece of the 9 million WoW pie.
The whole MMO genre is going to hell because developers are only worried about dipping into that WoW pie. How bout they make some games for the different gamers out there that dont want any of the WoW pie. There are a few 100 thousand people who are dying for a hardcore PVP game, give it to them. There are a few 100 thousand people out there that are dying for an old school game like EQ again, give it to them. Somebody build a decent SciFi mmo, or horror mmo, etc etc. Developers need to get away from the WoW formula and make the genre deverse again.
Here is a question for all you SOE bashers.Since WOW/blizzard is the biggie goodie two shoes in the mMO?why are not all the developers turning to blizzard/vivendi to market there games?Why would they be turning to SOE if SOE is so bad?Just maybe the developers who have a heck of alot more insight into the industry than ANY of us ,know what they are doing?You think just maybe,perhaps?
Wel, that's easy to answer. Because Blizzard makes 1 decent game, like it or not, it's done, it's a finished game with good content / servers / support.
SOE has 20+ games that suck. Sucky games need publishers too, that's where SOE usually helps. The consequence is that they have very bad customer support for their games.
That's why people don't like SOE, they have build a track record, and it's not a good one.
LOL again more rubbish.You didn't answer my question whatsoever.All you did was give an opinion on WOW and games SOE publishes.
Let me repeat..why do devs goto SOE and not blizzard or Vivendi?Who cares if sucky games need publishers,they still have a choice of SOE or vivendi.Vivendi has a HORRIBLE track record financially wise that is why!.You can say whatever you want about the games ,it all comes down to money and both vivendi and blizzard are clueless,more so vivendi.Maybe perhaps you think blizzard/vivendi don't like money that's why there not publishing games? lol.Blizzard got lucky on WOW that is ALL,nothing to do with the game being above others.
They goto SOE because it's a better well organized company,unlike what SOE bashers like to think,because of there own selfish reasons.SOE saved FF b4 ffvII,that game was done going bankrupt.SOE stepped in asking only that it be ps2 only in return.Ya SOE shows no sense since that series is a big failure RFLMAO!..it's sold more games than WOW ever will.BTW FFXI is far superior to WOW in every aspect and done on a PS2 platform not for PC,lol ,that's the skill level of blizzard as compared to others,again inferior!
If you want to bash anyone ,bash blizzard for making such an average game that is setting the standards so low for gaming.Thank god we got giants like SOE backing such skillfull DEVS like square enix.I am not just picking on WOW/blizzard as there is TONS of poor devs out there.The game standards i am seeing is taking a step backwards,i think that much we can agree on.I think in part you can thank a game like WOW because so many dummies chose to support such a mediocre effort.And again let me repeat wow is not the ONLY mediocre effort out there that alot of people are supporting,there is many others.
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We, as players, may not no how directly involved SoE is in the game failing, BUT it's very obvious that every game they touch burns down quicker than a midget soaked in gasoline.
You know damn right, if it were possible, if Blizzard took over SWG it'd be the top mmorpg; even over wow. SoE and NCsoft are just trying to complie the biggest batch of value bin titles so they can offer an open door subscription. The games stand alone are trash, but if you can play them all enough trash actually equals something of value . . . even if very little value.
Exactly, even if SOE isnt making it but if i see SOE is involved some how, even if only they are publishing it i know for some odd reason the game will suck.
Only thing that will kill World of warcraft is World of warcraft 2
Just to put you right on a few things:
1. To all those that use this 'carebear' 'pvpers are better than other gamers' crap can seriously stick the term carebear where the sun doesn't shine. Nothing personal, but the idea that some gamers are better/more important than others because of their game style just pisses me off sometimes.
2. The instancing is pretty seamless actually. At first I thought an instanced game wouldn't be to my tastes, but it fits this game perfectly.
3. You want to board other player's ships to fight their crew? Those crew members are AI npcs you know? You'll get the same excitement with boarding npc ships.
4. Wrong. There are a ton of land-based quests. And limited exploration, plus cleverly done, seamless instancing for story quests and such. Plus, they'll probably expand on the land-based stuff as time goes by. Remember that the release game isn't the be-all and end-all of the game's content. That's the beauty of MMOs mate
Oh, and so we're clear, for the billionth time:
SOE ARE NOT MAKING THIS GAME!!!
Yes please cut the crap. I for one am sick of clueless posts with no other point than to bash SOE. In Vanguard's case, SOE saved that game from vaporware. In POTBS, they haven't done jack with the development. Give it a rest already. The SOE hate is so two years ago, and it's getting old. Some people just repeat the same garbage over and over. Come to think of it, they'd make a good parrot in POBTS -- "Sqauk! SOE sucks, SOE sucks... Polly-Troll want a cracker."
Personally, I'm none too bothered by people railing on SOE. It's deserved in a way, and as a vet of SWG myself, I understand the 'pain' all too well. What does get really tiring is the willfully ignorant hate by so many people here that don't really know why their hating (the worst kind of willful ignorance there is!) and probably never even experienced the feeling of loss that SWG vets feel.
It's one thing to blame SOE for mistakes they did make, it's another to blame them for mistakes they didn't make.
And considering it's PEOPLE that do things and SOE is a company, then it's entirely possible that the PEOPLE who fucked up SWG are no longer even working for SOE.
Btw, anyone who doesn't like EQ these days, can go cry somewhere else, it's better now than it was when PoP came out.
From the first few sentences the OP destroyed his credibility as anything more than a FFA PvP whiner by
A: Using the term carebare and
B: Proceeding to complain about nothing but the fact that he cant randomly gank everyone for every point thereon.
Now, don't get me wrong, theres nothing wrong with PvP. I love it, I miss old school UO. The FFA whiners that are looking for more gank fodder because they think it makes them "hardcore!" and everyone else is a carebare, yeah, they make all PvPers look bad -_-
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Actually Sony is an awesome MMO publisher. The fact that Everquest is still going strong after so many years proves it. I am glad you like your WoW, but there is room for other types of gaming styles that involve a higher degree of challenge and an increased sense of reward.
Oh and btw, Sony did not design POTBS.
It costs $14.99 month lol
It's worth more like $9.95 month
They just buy a lot of games and kill them when they got their money. SOE has a different strategy than Blizzard or NCsoft has. SOE supports a lot of small and dying games, and buys up low budget games and produces them. A ton of small mediocre games that few play = 1 good game that a lot play, is their business strategy.
Well apparently my last post was deleted for "flaming" but whatever... only happens to someone every time the post about how WoW Customer Service has screwed them over or something to that degree but here it is again.
ok. to set a few things straight here
1. i went through your previous postings and nothing about them has proven to add to the subject of the conversation at hand *edited for niceness*
2. now that thats out of the way, Flying Lab Software has been developing Pirates of the Burning Sea for quite a whiles now, i think the total development time on the project has taken now well over 5 years.
3. $OE has only come into the picture recently, as in the last 6-7 months recently. If thats enough time for $OE to get there hands in on the development of the game to change the core of it all then all these other companies telling us it'll take years to develop a new MMO have been bullshitting us.
4. You don't sound like you've ever played the game OR beta OR even read up on the game, and while its not my cup o' tea i can tell you that yes, there is avatar combat of all sorts, however little and unpleasing it is.
5. You bitch about vanguard but yet you refuse to acknowledge the fact that $OE bought out Sigil Games "Vanguard: Saga of Heroes is a high fantasy-themed massively multiplayer online role-playing game (MMORPG) created by Sigil Games Online, and now developed and run by Sony Online Entertainment." - Wikipedia.com
6. You bitch and bitch about $OE and how they eat games but yet you refuse to do the research on them and the games they've eaten.
7. I, by no extent of the imagination, am a fanboi of $OE, nor am i a fanboi of PotBS. It simply goes that credit is given where it is due and i give full credit to FLS for their development of a new and original game, despite the fact that it may not agree with many peoples taste.
8. *editied so i can play nice with the other kids*
"And after blizzard takes over the world, they are gonna gather a bunch of lemmings, sit on their fat asses near a cliff, and watch the little fuzzy bastards suicide dive into the ground below. . . . . all just for their own entertainment."
Another great flame bait post! Gotta love em
Here I'll make it easier for all you haters!
I hate (Insert random SOE Game or if need be World of Warcraft)! I would give you real reasons why I hate them but I really don't understand whats going on so even if I tried they wouldn't make any sense. I can't believe how much (SWG or WoW) Sucks, I know it's really non of my business what other people enjoy but I really can't help but stick my nose in their business. I think every game in the world should be like (Insert Eve OR Warhammer but must conclude with, even though I've never played it.)
Now having said that.... WHO THE F__K CARE'S!!!! Honestly... Ok if you were one of the ones that got screwed over with SWG, I'm sorry, ya that sucks big time but its been awhile now... Can we move on? Or shall we argue why bush got in again as well? Cause really it doesn't matter the fact is, it happened and theres nothing we can do now. Is SOE a bad publisher... I don't know, I don't like all their games... and I'm not a fan of their support team but god... I don't like having to use support at all so I've never had a good experience with it from any company.
I want to ask one of these haters, and I don't care who answeres but I know your out there....
Why do you care what other people play?
FLYING LABS SOFTWARE developed this game.SOE financially backed the final fantasy series when they were near bankrupt,on premise they were only developed for ps2.Ya that series was a big failure since SOE got involved ..rflmao.
The SWG posts are never ending lol.Ya while SOE is giving the certain percentage the type of server they want ,maybe they should ask the rest of the public what kind of server they want too or wouldn't that be fair now?i mean i hear so many saying SOE doesn't listen right?or were you select few just relating selfishly to yourselves?SOE should ONLY listen to yourselves and not everyone.
A big lol ,ya wouldn't that be amazing if SOE could keep 100% of the playerbase happy?I guess SOE is the big bad evil forever,because i know for a FACT 100% will NEVER be happy.
Here is a question for all you SOE bashers.Since WOW/blizzard is the biggie goodie two shoes in the mMO?why are not all the developers turning to blizzard/vivendi to market there games?Why would they be turning to SOE if SOE is so bad?Just maybe the developers who have a heck of alot more insight into the industry than ANY of us ,know what they are doing?You think just maybe,perhaps?
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
Ok, yawn, why make a post if you care so little yourself. You're no better than anyone hating SOE, trust me.
This is why we care about what other people play.
Got it?
Wel, that's easy to answer. Because Blizzard makes 1 decent game, like it or not, it's done, it's a finished game with good content / servers / support.
SOE has 20+ games that suck. Sucky games need publishers too, that's where SOE usually helps. The consequence is that they have very bad customer support for their games.
That's why people don't like SOE, they have build a track record, and it's not a good one.
What's with all the hate?
I like playing games. I'm a SOE Station Access Subscriber just because I want to piss you people off who are SOE haters. I also have Subs to WoW, EVE, and Tabula Rasa. I enjoy playing all of them for different things.
I like PotBS. I can seriously see it sucking up TONS of my time.
Is the most important thing that I enjoy it, and not that you don't? That's what I go by, I like it... I could care less if you do or not because that's your personal taste. I hope you play a game you do like as much as I found some I like.
- CaesarsGhost
Lead Gameplay and Gameworld Designer for a yet unnamed MMO Title.
"When people tell me designing a game is easy, I try to get them to design a board game. Most people don't last 5 minutes, the rest rarely last more then a day. The final few realize it's neither fun nor easy."
I think all of you with your complete and intimant knowledge of who made what and the actual inner workings of SOE and the other companies should start your own company and make games.
I mean you all seem to know so much of what your talking about. Or act like it?
You guys take these things waaaay too personally, like peoples opinions or lack there of on companies, is a direct affront to your existence. Go outside, get fresh air. Go sailing you all seem to like pirates, hell you could even get 2 boats and throw rocks at each other.
I do work for a publisher and used to be a GM for a couple of different companies. Knowing how it works and having the necessary skills, experience and financial power to do itself, are worlds apart.
Though, I think the industry is a little twisted, they expect a programmer to design a great game, but being able to programme and being able to design are two totally different things. I know plenty of programmers who can solve problems presented to them, but lack imagination and creative talent. And in the case of Vanguard for example, Brad is a competent programmer, and is imaginative and creative, but he lacks management skills and couldn't manage the team or the development of the game. So much is put onto the shoulders of people who can't always do it, and they wonder why so much crap gets released.
I find it amazing that every now and then this "SOE is a failure at everythibg they do" type of thread pops up.For me failure in a mmo is 2 things:
1.The game NEVER made it out of development.
2.The game is published and after it goes live say 2 years or less it just shuts down after subs fall to a point of unprofitability and game is shut down.
Lets not forget wich developer really made this genre mainstream with the original EQ.I get so tired of the SOE haters and their twisted logic sometimes.
As a matter of fact i just subbed to EQ2 and omg your not going to beleive this IM HAVING FUN!!!
(now go ahead and tell me i cant possibly be having fun im just disillusioned)
What is your physical limit?
As most will tell ya, with success comes people who will hate you because of your success. You can easily look at Blizzard's WoW and see why this happens. It not only happens in the gaming industry, but every industry. People will always find someone to blame someone else, if not only to make themselves look better then that said person/place or thing. You can very well go around, and keep thinking Sony ruined all these games for you. But while your doing that, I will be having fun playing games. Because i see games as pleasurement. And i trully hate to argue with pleasurement. So enjoy!
well iuno about that one... i mean EA bought out Westwood and shut down E&B to make server space for the sims online...
"And after blizzard takes over the world, they are gonna gather a bunch of lemmings, sit on their fat asses near a cliff, and watch the little fuzzy bastards suicide dive into the ground below. . . . . all just for their own entertainment."
I dislike SOE as much as the next guy, but let's be realistic here. Most SOE games are successful. They kept EQ from alive for a long time and they created a successful sequel. SWG was a huge success back in the day, and although the population has decreased, it is still profitable. Planetside was not widely popular, but it had a devoted core of players that kept it profitable. MXO is in the same situation as Planetside. The only SOE game you could consider a real failure (imo) is Vanguard, and SOE didn't make that one.
I think SOE's "fault" was to back the game at all. All the issues it has were there long before SOE had anything to do with it.
Maybe I'm just heavily biased against instancing, as that's the number one reason the game failed to interest me at all. Wish it had uninstanced open sea travel and combat like POTCO, which seems like a sad statement, somehow. Even better, if the indoor areas were public and uninstanced, too. I'd rather repeition and weak story, than be in my own little world. So much instancing takes away the Massively Multiplayer bit, while it's not like the gameplay (of any MMO) will even hold a candle to a half decent single-player game, without it.
People who like instancing, though, maybe there are enough of them to keep the game popular, and I guess that's what SOE's banking on. It's a good concept, and at least they're getting some much needed financial support. Even if the instancing kills it for many of us.
Like others here are saying, it's hard to see SOE as the bad guy this time
When I want a single-player story, I'll play a single-player game. When I play an MMO, I want a massively multiplayer world.
Wel, that's easy to answer. Because Blizzard makes 1 decent game, like it or not, it's done, it's a finished game with good content / servers / support.
SOE has 20+ games that suck. Sucky games need publishers too, that's where SOE usually helps. The consequence is that they have very bad customer support for their games.
That's why people don't like SOE, they have build a track record, and it's not a good one.
Man some of your posts are funny.
SOE has 7 games on the station access, which is pretty much all they have (and one of those is for the PS2). Plus they are going to add PoTBS when it comes out (Even though they arent developing it) and they are working on The Agency. So that is actually 9 games, not 20, and they actually only developed 6 of those.
And since you stated your opinion as fact that they all suck, then i will state my opinion as fact and say that they do not all suck.
And i have never once had a problem with SOE customer service playing two of those games over about a 6 year span, though i know others who have had problems. But then i know people that have had problems with Blizzard customer service also. I dont think there is any customer service that someone cannot complain about.
SOEs track record has been pretty good as far as i am concerned. EQ was the king for years, true it is not the same game it was but it has been out for 9 years. EQ2 has a strong player base that really likes the game, Planetside was very much a niche game and i doubt even SOE thought they would have big numbers with it, SWG has pissed alot of people off with the NGE but that game certainly effected many peoples lives. Matrix was vaporwear until SOE bought it out and Vanguard was on the way. SOE should be applauded for saving those games so players that like them can continue to play them, and people are playing both of them right now.
And to your comment about SOEs style of having multiple games and have smaller populations as opposed to Blizzards one game that has a huge population. Why is that a bad strategy? There is not reason to try to go up against the overly simplified mass appeal MMOlite that is WoW. Too many companys are trying to do that now and making complete crap games. Why not have multiple niche games that have loyal fan bases and run with those. You dont need 9 million subscribers to make a healty profit, and SOE is making a very healthy profit.
You can blame SOE for the dumbing down of SWG, the easyfying (made that one up) of EQ, and the soloability of EQ2 if you want. I choose to blame WoW for all of these. All of these changes were made by developers that wanted a piece of the 9 million WoW pie.
The whole MMO genre is going to hell because developers are only worried about dipping into that WoW pie. How bout they make some games for the different gamers out there that dont want any of the WoW pie. There are a few 100 thousand people who are dying for a hardcore PVP game, give it to them. There are a few 100 thousand people out there that are dying for an old school game like EQ again, give it to them. Somebody build a decent SciFi mmo, or horror mmo, etc etc. Developers need to get away from the WoW formula and make the genre deverse again.
Wel, that's easy to answer. Because Blizzard makes 1 decent game, like it or not, it's done, it's a finished game with good content / servers / support.
SOE has 20+ games that suck. Sucky games need publishers too, that's where SOE usually helps. The consequence is that they have very bad customer support for their games.
That's why people don't like SOE, they have build a track record, and it's not a good one.
LOL again more rubbish.You didn't answer my question whatsoever.All you did was give an opinion on WOW and games SOE publishes.Let me repeat..why do devs goto SOE and not blizzard or Vivendi?Who cares if sucky games need publishers,they still have a choice of SOE or vivendi.Vivendi has a HORRIBLE track record financially wise that is why!.You can say whatever you want about the games ,it all comes down to money and both vivendi and blizzard are clueless,more so vivendi.Maybe perhaps you think blizzard/vivendi don't like money that's why there not publishing games? lol.Blizzard got lucky on WOW that is ALL,nothing to do with the game being above others.
They goto SOE because it's a better well organized company,unlike what SOE bashers like to think,because of there own selfish reasons.SOE saved FF b4 ffvII,that game was done going bankrupt.SOE stepped in asking only that it be ps2 only in return.Ya SOE shows no sense since that series is a big failure RFLMAO!..it's sold more games than WOW ever will.BTW FFXI is far superior to WOW in every aspect and done on a PS2 platform not for PC,lol ,that's the skill level of blizzard as compared to others,again inferior!
If you want to bash anyone ,bash blizzard for making such an average game that is setting the standards so low for gaming.Thank god we got giants like SOE backing such skillfull DEVS like square enix.I am not just picking on WOW/blizzard as there is TONS of poor devs out there.The game standards i am seeing is taking a step backwards,i think that much we can agree on.I think in part you can thank a game like WOW because so many dummies chose to support such a mediocre effort.And again let me repeat wow is not the ONLY mediocre effort out there that alot of people are supporting,there is many others.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.