there is no real pvp in wow (anymore), just a big honor points grindfest thats all and it wont change. World pvp in outlands? LMAO - i have to wait 2 weeks to spot some 2-3 low lvls in halaa to get the final marks i need. If I need thralmar marks I need to ask a guild mate to log his alliance char so i can gank him 3-4 times, haha - thats it basically.
PvP in a matter that you actually change the balance on your server or influence developments of the realm doesnt exist. Its all about zoning in, farming points, zoning out, spending them on wellfare epics and bah thats it. With the introduction of crossserver battlegroups the last spirit of pvp was gone. It doesnt make a big difference if u r fighting a player or any NPC, its just ganking red flagged things.
In older days we had some epic battles at least in AV, where you got to know some of the opponent side. Some where known to be good leaders and you were eager to confront them. Not the lousy farm runs we have today.....
siege weapons in WotLK? Dont have big hopes in that either. In AV bunkers and towers burn if you capture them. Same will be in WotLK - it will be instanced and you drag some siege weapon and fire on predefined buildings. If it wasnt implemented in the original game like u could attack SW, Orgrimar, Guildkeeps etc. there is no way to implement real siege warfare afterwards.
Basically what you will have is raid equipped people slaughtering the newbs (just like lvl 70 BGs). It will populated until the newbs get sick of being slaughtered (just like lvl 70 BGs). It will then be a dead, empty, lifeless zone (just like lvl 70 BGs).
Hasn't this idea basically been done in every single BG? You can't have raid gear people fighting blue/green geared people. It won't last. Just stick to PvE, WoW.
Actually Blizzard (smartly) added in a system a while ago that checks your gear level as well as organizational level (i.e. if you enter BG queue alone or in group) and then puts you into a matchup with similarly geared and organized people.
Bla Bla Bla Bla i like WoW, because when i pay the subscription for WoW atleast i know that its not a dead game, and that blizzard is always working to improve the game (I dont care if they fail to do it, atleast they try!).
I wanna see what kind of support WarHammer will have... Or will be the same sh** over and over for ever.
I play Team Fortress 2 for my PvP fix. No one will beat me because they are higher level. No one will beat me because they have better gear. If someone beats me it's because they won a balanced game fair and square, through tactics, teamwork, and skill.
Basically what you will have is raid equipped people slaughtering the newbs (just like lvl 70 BGs). It will populated until the newbs get sick of being slaughtered (just like lvl 70 BGs). It will then be a dead, empty, lifeless zone (just like lvl 70 BGs).
Hasn't this idea basically been done in every single BG? You can't have raid gear people fighting blue/green geared people. It won't last. Just stick to PvE, WoW.
Actually Blizzard (smartly) added in a system a while ago that checks your gear level as well as organizational level (i.e. if you enter BG queue alone or in group) and then puts you into a matchup with similarly geared and organized people.
when was this added? cause there is still a huge problem with twinks and pre-made grps in battlegrounds.
It'll be interesting, but I guarantee this zone won't be for the better of WoW. Blizzard is no good at making PvP objectives, areas like EPL and Zangarmarsh are proof. Heck, even their instanced battlegrounds aren't that great: they couldn't even think of something new to add to EotS! It really just seems like they're trying desperately to cling on to subscribers who enjoy PvP so they don't go to WAR, lol they should give up now!
I still don't know whether WAR will be any good, it's not possible to know until it launches. Not even the beta players know how truly good it will be when released, because a lot of changes can be made during beta. I'm going to give WAR a try though, I'm also going to try all the other new games coming out in '08 hoping I really like one. If I don't like any of them, then I'm going to start an entirely new WoW account from scratch a few months after WotLK is released, hopefully everything (like prices for stuff) will be balanced out by then.
And if nothing in 2008 meets my requirements then I'll just retire from MMORPGs entirely :P
Currently Playing: Tabula Rasa Gaming History: EQ, EQ2, SWG, EVE, Anarchy Online, CoX, GW, SRO, Rakion, Ryzom, WoW, Rappelz, Shadowbane, 9Dragons, DAoC, Dungeon Runners, DnD Online, Space Cowboy, LotRO, Vanguard, Fury, Hellgate Wanting to Play: WAR, TCoS, Darkfall, Aion
It'll be interesting, but I guarantee this zone won't be for the better of WoW. Blizzard is no good at making PvP objectives, areas like EPL and Zangarmarsh are proof. Heck, even their instanced battlegrounds aren't that great: they couldn't even think of something new to add to EotS! It really just seems like they're trying desperately to cling on to subscribers who enjoy PvP so they don't go to WAR, lol they should give up now! Zangarmarash PvP objective was bad, but only because it was not clear what you had to do, then we had Halaa and the spirit towers.. both of which were/are good fun. In response to EoS blizzard original idea was to have a floating platform that moved bettwen the 2 spawn points.. after beta testing it was deemed that that idea did not work too well and so it was removed.
So blizzard do have ideas... ideas they test and if they dont work they remove... as it should be. I still don't know whether WAR will be any good, it's not possible to know until it launches. Not even the beta players know how truly good it will be when released, because a lot of changes can be made during beta. I'm going to give WAR a try though, I'm also going to try all the other new games coming out in '08 hoping I really like one. If I don't like any of them, then I'm going to start an entirely new WoW account from scratch a few months after WotLK is released, hopefully everything (like prices for stuff) will be balanced out by then. Dont expect sub prices to lower And if nothing in 2008 meets my requirements then I'll just retire from MMORPGs entirely :P Untill blizzard next MMO ofc.
They should concentrate on making a more fun/accessible PVE instead , since most of the smart/real pvpers will probably be moving to WAR and AoC for a more Epic experience. How long can 1 zone , I don't care how massive ,can hold there attention when other games gonna offer worldwide meaninful PVP?.
PvP always been an aftertought or minigame for blizzard , evrything they have implemented up to now have been very quick to wear off fun wise and soon became just another grind. That's why i quit personnaly.
The problem i found with WOW's PVP is trinkets ruined my crowd control spells it's like made them totally pointless and a priest i kinda need my fear to work.
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SWG - PrePub9 Jedi mastered all professions - June 26th 2003 > Nov 15th 2005 EVE Online - 24 million SP - May 6th 2003 > Early 2005 PlanetSide - BR20 CR5 - May 23rd 2003 > Sept 2003
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Obviously WoW took this idea from WAR, they are complete copycats, blah blah blah...........
In seriousness this sounds like an awesome idea and I can't wait for it.
there is no real pvp in wow (anymore), just a big honor points grindfest thats all and it wont change. World pvp in outlands? LMAO - i have to wait 2 weeks to spot some 2-3 low lvls in halaa to get the final marks i need. If I need thralmar marks I need to ask a guild mate to log his alliance char so i can gank him 3-4 times, haha - thats it basically.
PvP in a matter that you actually change the balance on your server or influence developments of the realm doesnt exist. Its all about zoning in, farming points, zoning out, spending them on wellfare epics and bah thats it. With the introduction of crossserver battlegroups the last spirit of pvp was gone. It doesnt make a big difference if u r fighting a player or any NPC, its just ganking red flagged things.
In older days we had some epic battles at least in AV, where you got to know some of the opponent side. Some where known to be good leaders and you were eager to confront them. Not the lousy farm runs we have today.....
siege weapons in WotLK? Dont have big hopes in that either. In AV bunkers and towers burn if you capture them. Same will be in WotLK - it will be instanced and you drag some siege weapon and fire on predefined buildings. If it wasnt implemented in the original game like u could attack SW, Orgrimar, Guildkeeps etc. there is no way to implement real siege warfare afterwards.
Actually Blizzard (smartly) added in a system a while ago that checks your gear level as well as organizational level (i.e. if you enter BG queue alone or in group) and then puts you into a matchup with similarly geared and organized people.
Bla Bla Bla Bla i like WoW, because when i pay the subscription for WoW atleast i know that its not a dead game, and that blizzard is always working to improve the game (I dont care if they fail to do it, atleast they try!).
I wanna see what kind of support WarHammer will have... Or will be the same sh** over and over for ever.
I play Team Fortress 2 for my PvP fix. No one will beat me because they are higher level. No one will beat me because they have better gear. If someone beats me it's because they won a balanced game fair and square, through tactics, teamwork, and skill.
You won't find that in any MMOG.
Actually Blizzard (smartly) added in a system a while ago that checks your gear level as well as organizational level (i.e. if you enter BG queue alone or in group) and then puts you into a matchup with similarly geared and organized people.
when was this added? cause there is still a huge problem with twinks and pre-made grps in battlegrounds.
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It'll be interesting, but I guarantee this zone won't be for the better of WoW. Blizzard is no good at making PvP objectives, areas like EPL and Zangarmarsh are proof. Heck, even their instanced battlegrounds aren't that great: they couldn't even think of something new to add to EotS! It really just seems like they're trying desperately to cling on to subscribers who enjoy PvP so they don't go to WAR, lol they should give up now!
I still don't know whether WAR will be any good, it's not possible to know until it launches. Not even the beta players know how truly good it will be when released, because a lot of changes can be made during beta. I'm going to give WAR a try though, I'm also going to try all the other new games coming out in '08 hoping I really like one. If I don't like any of them, then I'm going to start an entirely new WoW account from scratch a few months after WotLK is released, hopefully everything (like prices for stuff) will be balanced out by then.
And if nothing in 2008 meets my requirements then I'll just retire from MMORPGs entirely :P
Currently Playing: Tabula Rasa
Gaming History: EQ, EQ2, SWG, EVE, Anarchy Online, CoX, GW, SRO, Rakion, Ryzom, WoW, Rappelz, Shadowbane, 9Dragons, DAoC, Dungeon Runners, DnD Online, Space Cowboy, LotRO, Vanguard, Fury, Hellgate
Wanting to Play: WAR, TCoS, Darkfall, Aion
They should concentrate on making a more fun/accessible PVE instead , since most of the smart/real pvpers will probably be moving to WAR and AoC for a more Epic experience. How long can 1 zone , I don't care how massive ,can hold there attention when other games gonna offer worldwide meaninful PVP?.
PvP always been an aftertought or minigame for blizzard , evrything they have implemented up to now have been very quick to wear off fun wise and soon became just another grind. That's why i quit personnaly.
http://revolutionwar.guildlaunch.com/
The problem i found with WOW's PVP is trinkets ruined my crowd control spells it's like made them totally pointless and a priest i kinda need my fear to work.
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SWG - PrePub9 Jedi mastered all professions - June 26th 2003 > Nov 15th 2005
EVE Online - 24 million SP - May 6th 2003 > Early 2005
PlanetSide - BR20 CR5 - May 23rd 2003 > Sept 2003