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A fellowship Game WIth Style
Bedlem3342
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I would just like to point out something that i have learned from LOTR books and the style of the lotro game.
Lotro is based on the books.If you like WOW because of the constant grinding and hardcore solo PVP aspect you will be displeased as most wow players are.
Lotro game ,takes the great excitement of the books and puts it to your screen .People don't understand that lotro is not supposed to be a just another MMORPG that has PVP in a fantasy world .Those of you that get bored at level 30 probably never read one of J.R.R tolkiens's books or your goal is to get to 50 ASAP so u can demolish poeple in PVP , cuz thats the way you did it in WOW .
The game was not meant to be played like that.It was meant to bring Mr. Tolkien's books to life and let many of his readers have fun at the computer .While at the same time not making the game be easy enough for a million newbs running aroung with names like '''@g&;ndalf *m@n98s """ Just being <unsavoury fellows>.
It's a game based on a awsome storyline. Don't critisize it for lack of hard core gamers who smash people in PVP.
Also LOTR books were styled by a group being powerfull , at least in the fellowship.Lotro game takes that Same style of fellowship based fighting .Alot of quests are solo but 3/4 of them are fellowship quests or meant to be. If you solo to level 30 , 1st how can you enjoy the game? ,2nd, thats going against the grain. Lotro is meant to play along side other people .
Thats is why IMO there doesent need to be 80 different classes , it's about the strategy of the fellowship and what combinations of classes are the most effective.
Lotro gives the 1v1 PVP "LAST " thats why there is a trait system and good armor means better character.
In PVMP it resembles a fellowship team up against a band of orcs thats how the realistic realm of middle earth is.
I know what hard core 1v1 PVP is and lotro can't catch up to that with only 6 classes! It's not meant to.
DON'T MOCK THE GAME AND SAY WOW IS BETTER UNTILL YOU KNOW THE FACTS .
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Awesome, I finally understand now. It was my fault for not enjoying LOTRO. I was playing it wrong and hadn't read the books enough!! As an act of attrition, I will now insert this carnivorous beetle into my ear.
Please, forgive me. I'll change my ways in order to appreciate LOTRO!! I have seen the light from your presentation of these astounding "facts"! Hallelujah!!
Perception is Reality.
I would just like to point out something that i have learned from LOTR books and the style of the lotro game.
Lotro is based on the books.If you like WOW because of the constant grinding and hardcore solo PVP aspect you will be displeased as most wow players are.
Lotro game ,takes the great excitement of the books and puts it to your screen .People don't understand that lotro is not supposed to be a just another MMORPG that has PVP in a fantasy world .Those of you that get bored at level 30 probably never read one of J.R.R tolkiens's books or your goal is to get to 50 ASAP so u can demolish poeple in PVP , cuz thats the way you did it in WOW .
Although I do agree with you that this is a game based heavily on lore, it is still a GAME. In an MMORPG, the first 3 words stand for Massively Multiplayer Online. This means that this game must appeal, or try to, to a large audience. The game cannot solely be built around lore like you are stating. Otherwise, it would be more worthwhile to read the books. This is NOT a visual representation of the book, it is a GAME.
Turbine putting PvP in this game is proof of this. They are looking to appeal to the masses. The problem is, their PvP system is, I would say, flawed. It isn't true PvP. But that is a different story altogether
Comparing everyone that doesn't like this game as WoW fanboys is as biased a statement as people hating it cause it isn't WoW.
The game was not meant to be played like that.It was meant to bring Mr. Tolkien's books to life and let many of his readers have fun at the computer .While at the same time not making the game be easy enough for a million newbs running aroung with names like '''@g&;ndalf *m@n98s """ Just being <unsavoury fellows>.
t's a game based on a awsome storyline. Don't critisize it for lack of hard core gamers who smash people in PVP.
Again, this is an MMO. It must appeal to the masses. There's only so much "lore" that's going to keep gamers coming back. They need something to entice them to keep paying that 14.99 a month.
Also LOTR books were styled by a group being powerfull , at least in the fellowship.Lotro game takes that Same style of fellowship based fighting .Alot of quests are solo but 3/4 of them are fellowship quests or meant to be. If you solo to level 30 , 1st how can you enjoy the game? ,2nd, thats going against the grain. Lotro is meant to play along side other people .
3/4 of all quests in this game are not fellowship quests. I'd say more like 1/4 to 1/3. Telling people what is fun to them and what is not, by saying soloing to level 30 isn't. Is not your place. It's not going against the grain either, Turbine has allowed it to where you can solo all the way to 50. Yes it is a community based game, but you don't HAVE to play it like that. So quit knocking that play style.
Thats is why IMO there doesent need to be 80 different classes , it's about the strategy of the fellowship and what combinations of classes are the most effective.
Lotro gives the 1v1 PVP "LAST " thats why there is a trait system and good armor means better character.
In PVMP it resembles a fellowship team up against a band of orcs thats how the realistic realm of middle earth is.
I know what hard core 1v1 PVP is and lotro can't catch up to that with only 6 classes! It's not meant to.
According to your above statements it really doesn't matter about the gameplay. As long as your experiencing the game with other people and getting the full effect of Tolkien's lore. Turbine implementing other classes or enhancing PvP isn't going to take your style of gameplay away from you. So why hate on others that want to enhance their style of gameplay. It's like a PvP'r saying they should forget about adding books and just work on the Ettenmoors due to "ME" only liking PvP.
DON'T MOCK THE GAME AND SAY WOW IS BETTER UNTILL YOU KNOW THE FACTS .
You have given no FACTS here, only personal opinions. Comparing to WoW again is another biased statement that should be overlooked by anyone interested in playing this game. Don't mock other people for wanting more than one playstyle in an MMO is my opinion.
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Okay guys,
Im not wanting to start a huge argue thread . I did want you all to know (as i have stated in other posts ) that i have no interest and never will play *WOW* . If you are going to play this game "read the books". This aint no game like wow .Im sick of wow players bad mouthing anything thats not wow.Im not being biased i have plenty of friends that play the game!
1. Lotro can't campare to PVP with wow ,it's PVP is barley anything .
2. The lore side of it is better than any storyline ive ever seen in a MMORPG.
3.whoever stated this was my personal opinion was right.
4.Just like any game you can't play through the trial and expect the most out of the game.if you really wanted to play a game you would search around and check out as much stuff about it as possible.
5.when i said **DON'T MOCK THE GAME UNTILL YOU KNOW THE FACTS ** i meant as well as what i said in my post , that i am sick of gamers downloading the trial , playing 3 hours then saying it sucks.The facts being what comes after lvl 20.
6.Who ever said that 3/4 quests are not fewlloship was right , there are about half indeed.( go look it up yourself) But most people find that they can solo a fellowship quests with the right style.
7. ,Lotro is a fellowship based game all in all.You are most powerfull in a team .It's ment to be played with a community.
8. And lastly , the economy is not back smashing like eve but it is hard enough to make a person quit or beg for money.
Oh ....LOL.....
So there is a guy named openedge1 that hates lotro , im not suprised.
I don't mean to sound like im biased to any other game , but as ive said i hate it when they download the trial ,play for 3 hours , then say it sucks.
yeh i thinkt hat people need to play it for longer before making a final judgement.
I think it's right to say that, for any MMO, people should at least try the game beyond the initial low level trial region and into the "stretch" of the game, where most content is centered (not necessarily the eldergame, but from level 20 and beyond like the OP said).
However, I think one of the defining aspects of LOTRO is that it is centered around lore. Yes, it would be more worthwhile to go and read the books rather than play the MMO. The books are amazingly well written and everyone that enjoys fantasy should look into them, since they essentially shaped any of the fantasy you see in pop culture today. By adhering to the lore, Turbine gives players the opportunity to play in Tolkiens world and relive the books from the perspective of their character rather than having it be an MMO set to the theme of Middle-Earth that tarnishes the world and history that Tolkien created.
Also, LOTRO is really set up to be a grouped-based game. After all, what is the real point of playing an MMO if your main focus is soloing? Plus, in Middle-Earth, one of the key concepts is (as cheesy as it sounds) is working together. If enough 'good guys' get together and fight evil, they can overcome it. It's as simple as that, and LOTRO is designed to portray that idea.
Finally, it's been said over and over and over again since the game was in development that this game is not geared towards PvP. In fact, if you're looking for a game that puts a lot of emphasis PvP in comparison to other things, you might as well turn away. PvP in LOTRO is there solely to have fun, and if you get involved with it, it can be an absolute blast.
So yes, LOTRO is a game. It is an MMO. But, it will not be the same MMO that everyone expects it to simply to appease a percentage of gamers who have no plans to play it anyways. The fans that Turbine is working for are those who are interested in the world of Middle-Earth and want to experience it as the world Tolkien created, not just another "get rich and uber" fantasy setting. And no, I'm not in any way singling out WoW in this category, as there are countless other fantasy MMOs available that fit into this category (Warcraft actually can step outside of this in some instances). If you're a fan of Lord of the Rings, be it the books or the movies, this game strives to be an accurate representation of the Middle-Earth found in those stories.
Simply put, if you're not looking to experience Tolkien's world, this game isn't for you.
Lotro PVP is very ,very , hard to do. It's not the traditional 1v1 who has been playing longer wins.It's extremely difficult ,for last night, this being 1/16/08, i experienced my first round of the etenmoors, (PVP ZONE) . It was insane , the system works in raids, for the 1v1 aspect is total boring , it's about 30v30 , we had 2 full raid roups 24 in each raid, thats 48 guys . Against several of their raid grous. All in all my graphics were on the lowest setting and i was still laggin. Our goal was to hold hot-zone, for in lotro you can flip the zones from enemy controll to your controll .Our leader for the first raid team had to communicate with our leader from the 2nd. All of us had voip and without it we would have been demolished."people screeming for heals , guys dieing , enemies ambushing or flanking , in alot of ways ,because of the amount of people lotro raiding PVP is alot like a RTS style game.Very interesting. It's exactly like its supposed to be ,the lotr style , 100 warriors vs 500 dumb ass orcs, . Thats what it felt like.
"1)The lore side of it is better than any storyline ive ever seen in a MMORPG."
its obvious you havent played FFXI, now thats how you do a story, lots of beautifl cutscenes and the story is just extremely well done overall, and its not already a book being copyed over to a game either (though the game is very diffrent style from most PC MMOs, it defnitly superior in story telling, as much as i love LOTR)
Hmm, you've never played WOW? How can you even begin to know whether LotRO is superior to it or not? I'd suggest you not post opinions about how the the two games differ until you take your own advice and play WOW to at least level 30 on a couple of characters.
Now me, I've played both games quite a bit, and I'm hardly an uniformed poster. While its true, I never got to level 50, I did get a Guardian to level 30 and Minstrel to level 24, so I think I got a pretty good idea about what LotRO was all about.
It's not a bad game, for a quest based, story driven MMORPG. I realized while playing it that I had gotten quite enough of that from WOW and LotRO wasn't going to bring anything different.
The PVP will always be a point of contention, but the developers made their choice about what sort of experience the wanted to include and that's the way its going to be. Which is another reason why I chose to leave.
Finally, the end game is much like WOW's or EQ I/II's, they will constantly add new lands, new levels, and new gear for players to explore. Some folks love this style of gameplay (hence the popularity of the games I mentioned) but for me and some others, we want to affect the game world. We want to control keeps/castles/territory etc, we want to punish other players for infringing on our territory, we want to decide the fate of the game world.
LotRO of course is not designed this way, nor can it be since it has to follow the story line that's been created by both the game developers and the books. Doesn't make it a bad game, just makes it one that doesn't appeal to me. Which is fine, I'll go on an play something else more to my style, and people who enjoy LotRO will stay with it and enjoy what it offers.
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Yeah its true, never played wow , but as i said 3/4 of my gamer friends play wow , and believe me they are very biased .However i was considering playing wow at one point ,i spent weeks reading about how many people like and hate it.Lotro has only been out what 8 months?! How long has wow been out? Alot longer. Rumors are spreading updates are coming out ,same as all games.Lotro *does* have a very complex storyline ,and i would suggest to those who dont follow it to STOP PLAYING.If you really wanted to know more about lotro read forums , watch videos ,ask questions , thats the way i do a trial.
Question, Did you read the books and watch the movies?
Tell me what you stated again after you answer those questions.
Lotro PVP is very ,very , hard to do. It's not the traditional 1v1 who has been playing longer wins.It's extremely difficult ,for last night, this being 1/16/08, i experienced my first round of the etenmoors, (PVP ZONE) . It was insane , the system works in raids, for the 1v1 aspect is total boring , it's about 30v30 , we had 2 full raid roups 24 in each raid, thats 48 guys . Against several of their raid grous. All in all my graphics were on the lowest setting and i was still laggin. Our goal was to hold hot-zone, for in lotro you can flip the zones from enemy controll to your controll .Our leader for the first raid team had to communicate with our leader from the 2nd. All of us had voip and without it we would have been demolished."people screeming for heals , guys dieing , enemies ambushing or flanking , in alot of ways ,because of the amount of people lotro raiding PVP is alot like a RTS style game.Very interesting. It's exactly like its supposed to be ,the lotr style , 100 warriors vs 500 dumb ass orcs, . Thats what it felt like.
So its your first night of pvp and your gonne base your judgement on that 1 night? well fine, but that gives no creditabilty for me, i think somone sould at least get to rank 4 to make a fair opinion.
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Played: Lord of the Rings Online, Starwars Galaxies.
Tried: Starwars the Old Republic, Everquest 2, Guild Wars, Vanguard, Age of Conan, Aion.
Hello
Just wanted to make you aware...
I played the game in Closed Beta, Open Beta, became a Founder (but did not buy the one time fee due to issues that still existed in release that were present from Closed Beta) and played 3 characters ...two to level 35 respectively.
I have read the LOTR books 3 times, The Silmarilion once (was enough...whew) watched the movies twice, have played Middle Earth PnP game, have played all of EA's LOTR efforts.
I hate PvP, enjoy Roleplay, have played many other MMO's and RPG's...too numerous to list.
I did not download the trial and play just 3 hours as you can see.
This game is tripe, pure and simple.
Thank you guys for mentioning me though...
Personally, I think you will know if you like something based on an hour of play. I knew "The Witcher" would rock after 30 minutes, Guild Wars was awesome in my first hour of play..
And then some people take 35 levels, and learn the mistake they made, but have already wasted 4 months doing it...
Ah well...
Lotro PVP is very ,very , hard to do. It's not the traditional 1v1 who has been playing longer wins.It's extremely difficult ,for last night, this being 1/16/08, i experienced my first round of the etenmoors, (PVP ZONE) . It was insane , the system works in raids, for the 1v1 aspect is total boring , it's about 30v30 , we had 2 full raid roups 24 in each raid, thats 48 guys . Against several of their raid grous. All in all my graphics were on the lowest setting and i was still laggin. Our goal was to hold hot-zone, for in lotro you can flip the zones from enemy controll to your controll .Our leader for the first raid team had to communicate with our leader from the 2nd. All of us had voip and without it we would have been demolished."people screeming for heals , guys dieing , enemies ambushing or flanking , in alot of ways ,because of the amount of people lotro raiding PVP is alot like a RTS style game.Very interesting. It's exactly like its supposed to be ,the lotr style , 100 warriors vs 500 dumb ass orcs, . Thats what it felt like.
So its your first night of pvp and your gonne base your judgement on that 1 night? well fine, but that gives no creditabilty for me, i think somone sould at least get to rank 4 to make a fair opinion.
My point was that the pvp system works how its supposed to.And exactly what people said it was like.People i knew that played anyway.
Well thats where alot of people go wrong.IMO
Well thats where alot of people go wrong.IMO
Yet, when we look at your gamer profile on X-Fire...Shouldn't they get more of a chance?
As to the hour...please note..I was willing to give LOTRO more of that chance...with 4+ months of play...and it still failed to satisfy...it also is known as the game "That made my wife quit MMO's"
I was finally able to drag her back screaming to EQ2, but she has played Guild Wars, WoW, Lineage 2...yet, she was willing to give up LOTRO...and I have a pretty big list of friends who also quit...
It just does not have longevity...and maybe in a year or two it could work...but by that time new MMO's will be out, and maybe someone else will get that special factor thats missing in LOTRO
Fun!
If you spend any amount of time here you will notice the 3 or 4 regulars who try to act like they are some kind of savant when it comes to MMOs. Trouble is that some of us have been around longer than they have, have played all the games they have, and have come to different conclusions than they have. So what does it mean?
There are different games out there for everyone. To each his own, and have fun doing it! That's what it means.
How ironic! LOTRO is the game that made MY wife WANT to play MMO's! In fact, whenever we have a few spare hours together, she asks if I want to "kill bears." I like LOTRO - it's not my dream MMO, but it's fun.
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From this thread: www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/1763643#1763643
There you go. Two quotes... one from the LoTRo forums, one from the EQ2 forums; made by the same person. The red highlights show that he's been playing LoTRo on the sly I guess. I think his own words highlighted in blue are all that needs to be said.
Did it ever strike you that i may have not had xfire when i was playing games like command and conquer , city of heroes , and my god continuum ? I played coh for 1 1/2 years! It says on my xfire profile " joined 2007-09-29. thats september 29, i started playing lotro november 16th , and have been playing ever since. Before august of 07 i had dialup.(Between then and the end of september i played around with little games untill i found EVE) .I played nwn till my eyeballs fell out, i played coh on dialup ! forever!. It was terrible. And as for continuum ...LOL.....i played for like 10 minutes one day when lotro had a bug and they spent 22 hours working on it. Neverwinter Nights 2 AMD 64 Version ,i have no idea what this is but if u look at my profile it says NWN2 21 hours and indeed i played it for that amount in between lotro,Eve i played most of september,( but stoped for 2 reasons ,1. i can't stand space genre and 2 . i wanted to play lotro, but don't get me wrong ,EVE was great ).And as for the rest of em, kotor , nwn1 and lol zero hour, i played all of those since september.O yeah, and as for guild wars i never got past the login , it was a download version thing i found ,then once i got it i realized it needed a code lol ,well not gonna go buy it when i just wanted something to do while turbine fixes their 2nd bug of the week. So there you got it .
Question, Did you read the books and watch the movies?
Tell me what you stated again after you answer those questions.
i have played til 22 as a human capt. (only they can) and ive watched all 3 movies (own them too) read only 1 book. my bro got to 33. but what this has to do w/ the GAMES story being well done comparing to FFXI wich is NEW not redone fo somthing we already know, FFXI is superior on the way its handeled.
so have u played or watched any FFXI videos? have u played it past the dunes? have u played the expansions? (see what im getting at, they are tottaly unessicary Qs) the way its presneted is amazing and SE is know for its truely great story telling. Im a huge LOTR fan but the game is nothing new.
Question, Did you read the books and watch the movies?
Tell me what you stated again after you answer those questions.
i have played til 22 as a human capt. (only they can) and ive watched all 3 movies (own them too) read only 1 book. my bro got to 33. but what this has to do w/ the GAMES story being well done comparing to FFXI wich is NEW not redone fo somthing we already know, FFXI is superior on the way its handeled.
so have u played or watched any FFXI videos? have u played it past the dunes? have u played the expansions? (see what im getting at, they are tottaly unessicary Qs) the way its presneted is amazing and SE is know for its truely great story telling. Im a huge LOTR fan but the game is nothing new.
Well , nope never even heard of final fantasy XI , so i dont know anything bout, but regardless i just wanted to know if you really had any knowledge of lotr , it seems you do , you don't like it thats fine.
But all said and done ,if you are a true lotr fan you will be pleased with the GENRE of lotro , no one can argue with that.
the world looks good, id hafta say that, and of course the story is good (its LOTR nuff said) but what it boils down to is the fact that the games is very..generic in every other scense. we were both hoping this was the next best thing only to find many flaws and similaritys to a handful of game already made. i could list a them but it would turn into a long rant, and noone needs to hear that.
Well regardless everyone has there own taste .I am going to stick with lotro for my own reasons , and you do whatever you want.Then we are all happy. Or we could all just take a ride on the love train ,as big and rich would do.