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In all truth and honesty you all would have probably left SWG even if there wasn't a NGE. SWG was ok, not great it was indeed the cummunity that kept most there, but communities never sit still and by today most of you would have grown bored silly of SWG and moved on anyway. LA / SOE just accelerated things a bit with the NGE. People just tend to remember the past through rose colored lenses and forget that SWG was sinking before either NGE or CU actually happened
So who is this friend who supposedly has such magical inside knowledge?
Revenaught
Actually, Auto Assault lasted for over a year at those levels.
If by winning you meant that your favourite game, whose mythic pre-cu, pre-nge beginnings are pined for far and wide, is going down the tubes, never to return IN ANY FORM, then you are correct. Enjoy.
Actually, Auto Assault lasted for over a year at those levels.
O was it? I thought it was within 6months they closed it down after dropping bellow the original hype subscriptions. NCsoft is a trooper then for keeping it up that long then.
What have you won? If you have actively gone out to stop players playing it by telling them lies etc - then you disgust me. SOE has some of the biggest MMOs on the market apart from WoW - they are not a joke. Get over it, there will be no rollback because I and many many others have settled down and are enjoying the game, we are the people that have gotten over it, accepted the differences, accepted that many people left because the dont like it (fair enough) and learnt to like the game - We have have won.
Oh and you are WRONG.
Just imagine what it could have been. Forget the desires of the player base and the disparities over what people really wanted, and just focus on what the developers themselves promised that they never delivered on. Imagine what the SWG of today would look like compared to the SWG of promises unfulfilled of yesterday. What if the developers had adhered to integrity instead of lying to us all at every turn.
I would bet my Optimus Prime helmet that the SWG of promises would have been far more successful.
The last "rumor" about the sub numbers that graced my inbox stated that the paid sub number was 27K. That was about 3 months ago, so it definitely is lower now.
As for it being dangerously low, I point to the fact that the fanbois are panicking to the degree of trying to rally the troops to go fake positive reviews and "buzz" supporting the NGE.
If by winning you meant that your favourite game, whose mythic pre-cu, pre-nge beginnings are pined for far and wide, is going down the tubes, never to return IN ANY FORM, then you are correct. Enjoy.
We vets have had no choice but to adopt a "scorched earth" policy regarding SWG. They won't give us our game back, so we've destroyed the NGE.
We voted with our feet.
They won't listen to us, so we starve them by denying them dollars.
just what do you base your info on? show me something officcial from SOE and mabye ill pay attention. there are more than 10K people browsing swg forums daily! and the forums represent just a small percent of the players
nvm read the original post wrong
QFT
I hate soe. I hope they sell the IP to a company that will make a sw mmo amazing. The only good thing about this game is that it is star wars.
QFT
Oh, I agree. I'd rather be playing classic SWG instead of bashing SOE all over the internet. They deny me what I want, so we, together deny them what they want, reputation, respect, and most importantly, money.
Most of the time when a customer base rebels to the degree ours did, the company relents and gives the customer what they want. IE: New Coke/Classic Coke
But SOE isn't a responsible business. They are lucky they aren't publicly traded company, their shareholders would have sued the management a long time ago for malfeasance.
Quite frankly. I believe that's one of the main reasons people defend it. It's the only SW MMO on the market. If it ever fails, and I'm not saying it will, players have no other SW MMO to go to. Fantasy based games are a dime a dozen but an SW MMO is something unique in the MMO world.. It's just too bad that the only SW MMO we have on the market is full of bugs and run by a company that treats its customers like crap.
I hope SOE realized they destroyed all their games if SOE were smart they should
1.Bring back a old school classic EQ server Trilogy up to kunark expansion
2. Bring back a pre CU SWG server.
All of SOE games combined dont even have 500k players all together.
To the OP:
I've always been one to vote with my wallet, and I salute all the other SWG vets out there who have done the same. However, I think its a bit brash to say we've 'won the war' when all we did in reality is stop playing.
Quite frankly. I believe that's one of the main reasons people defend it. It's the only SW MMO on the market. If it ever fails, and I'm not saying it will, players have no other SW MMO to go to. Fantasy based games are a dime a dozen but an SW MMO is something unique in the MMO world.. It's just too bad that the only SW MMO we have on the market is full of bugs and run by a company that treats its customers like crap.
It already has failed. When you go from 250K subs to ~20K or less two years after releasing a massive change to the game that the player base despised, you've failed.
As to it closing, that is inevitable at this point. The subscriber number is still drifting downward towards zero. It all depends on when enough is enough and they can't even cover costs anymore that they shut it down. The population isn't enough to keep even 1/5th of their servers viable, and they have no method of consolidating them, and worse, the customer base they have left isn't worth the massive effort it'd take to build methods to server consolidate.
They've remained under the delusion that one of their NGE publishes would be the "magic bullet" and everyone would come back. They completely miss the point, the ONLY chance they have of bringing people back is to introduce game changes that essentially remove the NGE, but they aren't doing that. We didn't leave for lack of instances or scavenger hunt collections. We left because of the NGE, and any effort made to develop the game that doesn't involve "DE-NGE'ing" it is completely wasted effort.
I think the game is going to be closing soon. I think given the sudden panic that some of the fanbois have been tipped off to this fact, that they are near to shutting the game down.
Actually, Auto Assault lasted for over a year at those levels.
O was it? I thought it was within 6months they closed it down after dropping bellow the original hype subscriptions. NCsoft is a trooper then for keeping it up that long then.
The server merger happened within 6 months I believe. NCSoft did keep it going for a while but they also didn't do much to promote it.
QFT
Oh, I agree. I'd rather be playing classic SWG instead of bashing SOE all over the internet. They deny me what I want, so we, together deny them what they want, reputation, respect, and most importantly, money.
Most of the time when a customer base rebels to the degree ours did, the company relents and gives the customer what they want. IE: New Coke/Classic Coke
But SOE isn't a responsible business. They are lucky they aren't publicly traded company, their shareholders would have sued the management a long time ago for malfeasance.
/applaud
Keep pushing vets , the future is ours and these guys from $OE doesn't have any in these market but keep pushing.
-----MY-TERMS-OF-USE--------------------------------------------------
$OE - eternal enemy of online gaming
-We finally WON !!!! 2011 $OE accepted that they have been fired 2005 by the playerbase and closed down ridiculous NGE !!
"There was suppression of speech and all kinds of things between disturbing and fascistic." Raph Koster (parted $OE)
qfe...as much as i don't like the new swg, i would be sad and very dissapointed when/if it closed. Too much history there with me to let it die completely
If you guys won, how come it feels the the MMO community as a whole lost?we don't share same feel and i don't have seen any good they did to any community beside their Everquest thingy. All i notice them doing is
..Searching ....buy and destroy...
-----MY-TERMS-OF-USE--------------------------------------------------
$OE - eternal enemy of online gaming
-We finally WON !!!! 2011 $OE accepted that they have been fired 2005 by the playerbase and closed down ridiculous NGE !!
"There was suppression of speech and all kinds of things between disturbing and fascistic." Raph Koster (parted $OE)
Actually, I'm thinking "you" lost. Let's look at it:
What did you win? Bragging rights that your favorite game got closed down by your efforts? I'm wondering how many of you would still be playing if SWG had returned in the pre-CU ruleset. If you think it would still be 250k, you are delusional. SWG would be looking at the same thing that happened to DAOC. It's back to being a good game, but in the end there still isn't anybody there but the remaining die-hards and elitists.
Honestly, I've never understood the "veteran" mentality. I understand the SOE haters, but the whole, "let's close down SWG" mentality has always had me baffled.
If by winning you meant that your favourite game, whose mythic pre-cu, pre-nge beginnings are pined for far and wide, is going down the tubes, never to return IN ANY FORM, then you are correct. Enjoy.
We vets have had no choice but to adopt a "scorched earth" policy regarding SWG. They won't give us our game back, so we've destroyed the NGE.
We voted with our feet.
They won't listen to us, so we starve them by denying them dollars.
Wow, you've truly demonstrated how disgusting humans can be - thanks for repeatedly attempting to ruin other's enjoymentUnfortunately for you you've failed, you havent destroyed the NGE (if thats what you are still calling it)- you've failed, and it serves you right for failing to accept the realities of life.