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Can we stop the clone talk

Can we stop with the WoW clone comments for LOTRO. How in the world is this a clone of WoW, when they are offering so much more PvE content than WoW has in 3+years. If all you are basing this on is the interface then you can say that about most games today including EQII, Lineage, etc. Lets see what they offer that WoW doesnt: character customization is far more indepth with deeds and traits allowing for growth of character without gaining levels, actual lore and gameplay that feeds off of the lore of the game, skills use that makes sense (i.e. hunters can only track one animal at a time), player housing and the ability to decorate to your liking which makes the game much more immersive, a community that is far more mature than WoW (confirmed by most players who have played both games), and a developer who has provided updates approx every two months since release with the upcoming book 12 that will also add more customization to character appearance. WoW has given its players on (paid) expansion with no real improvement to gameplay since launch. LOTRO is going to create the game WoW was supposed to be.  I will admit that similarities exist between all games but LOTRO has taken a known formula and is enhancing it beyond that of any other game out there. Not a clone, but an improvement!!!!!!!!

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  • Bedlem3342Bedlem3342 Member UncommonPosts: 252


    Originally posted by june18360
    Can we stop with the WoW clone comments for LOTRO. How in the world is this a clone of WoW, when they are offering so much more PvE content than WoW has in 3+years. If all you are basing this on is the interface then you can say that about most games today including EQII, Lineage, etc. Lets see what they offer that WoW doesnt: character customization is far more indepth with deeds and traits allowing for growth of character without gaining levels, actual lore and gameplay that feeds off of the lore of the game, skills use that makes sense (i.e. hunters can only track one animal at a time), player housing and the ability to decorate to your liking which makes the game much more immersive, a community that is far more mature than WoW (confirmed by most players who have played both games), and a developer who has provided updates approx every two months since release with the upcoming book 12 that will also add more customization to character appearance. WoW has given its players on (paid) expansion with no real improvement to gameplay since launch. LOTRO is going to create the game WoW was supposed to be. I will admit that similarities exist between all games but LOTRO has taken a known formula and is enhancing it beyond that of any other game out there. Not a clone, but an improvement!!!!!!!!



    I see that you are a lotro fan,I am too!
    Well said,
    Most WOW players come here to bitch how other games suck and how great WOW is.

    Most people base games off what the life is playing at the best of the best,Imo its the journey , as well as lvl 70.

    Lotro is very different in the big picture,you can say this and that but all in all ,very different.

    Now all we have to do is wait for perception /openedge1 (who i never knew untill i posted about lotro) and the rest of the trolls and hate acounts that will post 10 pages off to topic ,just to bitch how great wow is and how shity lotro is.

    Thats the way it is around here .

    All said i agree with what you said but ,the rest of the gang will reply


    "Originaly posted by perception,

    " WOW has more PVE ,lotro graphics suck,lotro storyline sucks,turbine did a crap job,the only good game is wow "


    Trust me by the time this is over there will be 10 pages of shit

    1 hour later More go to page 1, page 2 , page 3 , page 4 .....last

  • Masta22Masta22 Member Posts: 298

    yes exactly, now we wait for the trolls to come. But if they like WOW so much better than LOTRO, why not just post at the WOW forum?

  • judgebeojudgebeo Member Posts: 419

    Originally posted by june18360


    Can we stop with the WoW clone comments for LOTRO.

    ummmm after thiknking about your question... the answer is ...

    No, cause it is clone!!!

     

     

     

    But who cares, you like it? then why to bother what others think about this?

     

  • ShoalShoal Member Posts: 1,156

    LotRO is a great game.

    WoW is a great game.

    EVE is a great game.

    Lots of games are great.

    In their own way.

    And all have stuff copied from other ones.

    But all are different and unique in their own ways.

    Enjoy the ones you like; ignore the others.

    Except for unreleased games.  Try your best to expose their flaws and hope the developers are listening and will act on reasonable feedback.

    That way, we may hope to avoid yet more repeats of the V:SoH failure.

  • neonakaneonaka Member UncommonPosts: 779

    lol this won't even take an hour.....

  • thepatriotthepatriot Member UncommonPosts: 284

    Just like Blizzard who took what they percieved to be the best lessons learned from previous MMOs, LotRO did as well and that includes ideas that WoW embraced.  A relatively small number of character classes (less than traditional western mmos but more than traditional eastern mmos), questing gives more experience than hunting.  Minimal choices at character creation but then slowly add layers of complexity as the character levels.  Content beats out fancy rules.

    In some ways Turbine went furhter than Blizzard did especially in story telling.  There is an intregral story in the chapters that is shared by the players and advances the overall story, something Blizzard didn't really implement.  I also personally like the customization system in LotRO better than the path Blizzard took.  Blizzard redefined some character class concepts and Turbine went even farther IMO.

    I wouldn't classify LotRO as a WoW clone but Turbine would have been ignorant not to notice the tings that worked well in previous MMOs and what didn't.  However the single most important aspect of WoW that Turbine "imitated" (or you could simply say the figured out as well as Blizzard did) was to put out a quality product that worked from day one.

  • june18360june18360 Member Posts: 4

    The reasons I care are: 1. It is not a clone if it isnt identical....I might as well start saying WoW is a clone of Ultima..its not identical but has vary similar interface and other aspects. WoW is a Clone  2. WoW fanboi's keep coming into the LOTRO forums...I dont visit WoW forums or website, because I dont play that game. Really, these WoW trolls must be to keep visiting a forum of a game they dont even play..

     

     

     

  • QmireQmire Member Posts: 423

    WoW 2:  ATTACK OF THE WOW CLONES.

     

    i heard that movie would prolly be a rather long movie about love and lots of clones in the end... and about an arm getting cut off at some point... hmm...

     

    Just kidding but for real, just play the game you wanna play, companies take the features from other games and use them for thier own games, it's normal that's good business and will make all customers happy because why not use the favored chocolate cake in your cakeshop? Just because another shop 5 blocks away got it aswell? WHO CARES, it's a bloody cakeshop, so deal with it.

     

    People whine about every damn game these days.... either you like it or you don't, not the cakeshop's fault, just your own taste.

  • listlurkerlistlurker Member Posts: 24

    thepatriot sums things up quite well -- I've played both WoW and LOTRO at length, and LOTRO is the game I kept. As he says, I find LOTRO more story-driven, and there seems to be a real effort by the devs to give players a "sense of place", which is certainly appropriate for a Tolkien-based game.

    People like what they like, and I'm cool with that, but we live in a time where people treat opinions like some sports fans treat their  teams: "I love it, so you have to love it -- and if you love something else, you suck".

    While this kind of banter is part of the entertainment value in sports fandom, when people start applying it to other areas of life (politics, religion, gaming entertainment, et cetera) it gets ugly pretty quick.

    Anyway, just want to say that I agree with thepatriot's assessment -- that LOTRO isn't a "clone" of WoW, if you really look at it -- but I don't expect everyone else to agree

    And I wanted to say all this before the inevitable herd of trolls stampede in here and start telling us how much we all suck, and how only WoW "roolz"

    Funny, I show my enjoyment for LOTRO by actually playing the game, not picking pointless fights on message boards and forums. Weird, huh?

    LL

  • seabass2003seabass2003 Member Posts: 4,144

    The same people who say LotRO is a clone are the same people who would say a Lamborghini is a clone of a Ford. Let's go through it together.

    4 tires

    engine

    doors

    windows

    goes from point a to point b

    exhaust system

    headlights and tail lights

    Yep, just another clone of another car.

     

    Is a Lamborghini the same as a Ford? Hell, no. Do they have similarities? Yes.

    Is LotRO the same as WOW? No. Do they have similarities? Yes, but all MMORPGs have basic similarities. Certain things in video games will always be the same. You can only make them so different from each other. But if you have played any amount of games you will always see similarities between them.

    In America I have bad teeth. If I lived in England my teeth would be perfect.

  • 8hammer88hammer8 Member Posts: 1,812

    Originally posted by seabass2003


    The same people who say LotRO is a clone are the same people who would say a Lamborghini is a clone of a Ford. Let's go through it together.
    4 tires
    engine
    doors
    windows
    goes from point a to point b
    exhaust system
    headlights and tail lights
    Yep, just another clone of another car.
     
    Is a Lamborghini the same as a Ford? Hell, no. Do they have similarities? Yes.
    Is LotRO the same as WOW? No. Do they have similarities? Yes, but all MMORPGs have basic similarities. Certain things in video games will always be the same. You can only make them so different from each other. But if you have played any amount of games you will always see similarities between them.

    Actually to be more exact, they would argue a Lamborghini is a clone of a Toyota and then turn around and say that Toyota was the first company to offer those features, completely bypassing the fact that Ford had offered them first...

    Yes the Toyota added some features and yes it is a more popular car with the masses, but it was not the first of its kind nor is it the best...everyone should be able to see that, no matter how much trouble you have with your perception  .

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  • seabass2003seabass2003 Member Posts: 4,144
    Originally posted by 8hammer8


     
    Originally posted by seabass2003


    The same people who say LotRO is a clone are the same people who would say a Lamborghini is a clone of a Ford. Let's go through it together.
    4 tires
    engine
    doors
    windows
    goes from point a to point b
    exhaust system
    headlights and tail lights
    Yep, just another clone of another car.
     
    Is a Lamborghini the same as a Ford? Hell, no. Do they have similarities? Yes.
    Is LotRO the same as WOW? No. Do they have similarities? Yes, but all MMORPGs have basic similarities. Certain things in video games will always be the same. You can only make them so different from each other. But if you have played any amount of games you will always see similarities between them.

     

    Actually to be more exact, they would argue a Lamborghini is a clone of a Toyota and then turn around and say that Toyota was the first company to offer those features, completely bypassing the fact that Ford had offered them first...

    Yes the Toyota added some features and yes it is a more popular car with the masses, but it was not the first of its kind nor is it the best...everyone should be able to see that, no matter how much trouble you have with your perception  .

    Haha, that is so true.

    In America I have bad teeth. If I lived in England my teeth would be perfect.

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  • Bedlem3342Bedlem3342 Member UncommonPosts: 252

    Lotro + wow = Lotro

    Lotro - wow = Lotro

    wow
    _______ = Lotro
    Lotro


    (Lotro)(wow) = lotro

    There i proved it mathimatically . Oh i forgot the trolls can't do math..o well

  • Cargo_SharkCargo_Shark Member Posts: 6

    Well--guess I'll say it since no one else will

    EVERY RPG EVER CREATED HAS ITS ROOTS IN A LITTLE NINTENDO GAME CALLED ZELDA----thats it, thats all, end of discussion.

     

  • DonnieBrascoDonnieBrasco Member Posts: 1,757

    Originally posted by Cargo_Shark


    Well--guess I'll say it since no one else will
    EVERY RPG EVER CREATED HAS ITS ROOTS IN A LITTLE NINTENDO GAME CALLED ZELDA----thats it, thats all, end of discussion.
     
    Wrong!

    All games are clones of Wizard of Wor from the C64.

    Wait, no - that is also a clone of Pong! :)

     

    DB

    Denial makes one look a lot dumber than he/she actually is.

  • Originally posted by judgebeo


     
    Originally posted by june18360


    Can we stop with the WoW clone comments for LOTRO.

     

    ummmm after thiknking about your question... the answer is ...

    No, cause it is clone!!!

    But who cares, you like it? then why to bother what others think about this?

     

    And WoW is a clone of EQ. Everything has a basis of being a clone if you want to tear it to the roots. LoTR:O is very unique. While I don't play it anymore it offers and delivers far more than WoW ever has.

  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 44,069

    Its the core game play that makes LotRO a clone of WOW.

    WOW was the first major game (AC2 notwithstanding) to change the way we leveled up our characters. Prior to WOW, we got a group together, went out into the world, and found a camp or instance of mobs and killed them till we could no longer level up off of them.

    Then came WOW, and instead of grinding, we were presented is a set of scripted quests to follow.  We got tons of experience from completing these quests, so much so that most people leveled up off of them (though some still chose to grind)

    Trouble with this design is, no matter how many characters you roll, the experience is more or less the same, you re-run the same quests over and over and over.  After leveling 4 characters to 60 this way, I actually leveled my 5th (a warlock) by only grinding, just to do something different.

    Now along comes LotRO, who looks at this model, and decides to become take it to the next level.  LotRO is packed with tons of quests, in fact, you can't seem to swing a stick w/o finding an npc willing to give you quest.  And now the quests are really the only way to level, grinding is extremely inefficient, so everyone runs the quests.  Level a 2nd character, and you can expect to have the exact same experience.

    I leveled up 6 characters to 50 in DAOC, and while there were a few instances that I repeated, I promise I was able to create a unique leveling experience for the most part for each one of them.

    So now people call any game designed around a quest centric PVE design (with end game raiding no less) as a WOW clone.

    Sure, there are many elements that are very different, but at their heart, they are of very similar game design.

     

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  • DruzDruz Member Posts: 276

    LOTRO is the same but spruced up engine of AC2 which came BEFORE WoW.. all of the game mechanics and UI settings were already there for LOTRO  - it was not inspired by WoW in any way only continued on the path of AC2 due to WoWs success 



    anyone with a brain knows it



    Kyleran how can you admit AC2 did it first and then go on to saying how WoWs gameplay was revolutionary? get a clue, AC2 was first, admitting that ends the conversation

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