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nexus42 · July 2004

With all the crap on the official boards, you may have missed this genuine pearl: http://www.u.arizona.edu/~hramsdel/crusade.htm

Very well done piece on the pros and cons of the new Character Creation graphics.

...Pika

Misti · July 2004

Completely agree with that site. Here they have one of the most advanced 3d engines in any mmorpg and they don't even provide long hair options and the models look like Neanderthals with stooped shoulders, fatty bodies and heads, and basic body proportions out of wack.

At least the creatures and landscape graphics are looking good. Hopefully they will revamp the character models a great deal more before release.

Kane · July 2004

That guy hit the nail on the head. All the things that bother me about the player models that I couldn't put my finger on. Here's hoping they listen.

NoisyMonkey · July 2004

Ok, most of that stuff is silly, he compares to DaOc, except their model is armored, she ahs shoulderpads on which I dont know, but might change her shoulders.. The lineage 2 stuff is right, but hey, seen lineage characters run? hahaha

I dont see his beef with face sliders.. I always wanted to be able to make ugly faces :O

This seems to be written by a guy who wants to jack off to a video game, if he wants to get pleasure for 12-15 bucks why not just pay for a porn site..

Also, they are revamping models.. so more then likely once they finish all of them, think they have done 3.. the problems will be fixed.. Body sliders are ok, but they make almsot 0 difference in most games.. in ryzom you can change everything... but you dont even notice it.. infact msot sliders do SOOO little people think they do nothing.. Dont need everyone to run around with giant boobs, thats what barbarians are for.

.Reaper. · July 2004

I totally agree who has the time to point things such as that whether or not they are flawed, who cares about that. This kid definitely needs to start getting real life friends instead of online e-buddies and probably he is pale and should go get some sun. If I met this kid of the street I'd give him flaws all over his face and they he can complain some more.

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Kane · July 2004

Actually, reading more detail about it, its written by a FEMALE graphic artist who does this sort of thing for a living. (rendering humans I mean)

sparkatb · July 2004

The CC program currently out atm is purely a preview edition of what is to come, does that meen this CC version is the finished version? Guess not...

Kane · July 2004

I hope its not done. It would be foolish to get this far and just call it good. They haven't done that yet, lets hope they dont start with the graphics.

Ominis · July 2004

I agree with everything that she (I checked the forums that she talked about on the page and checked) said on the page. Although I like the creation system on the Preorder disk, there are also alot of wierd flaws that make the characters look "not right." Knowing SOE, I doubt that they will do anything when they are getting closer and closer to release. They'll probably just improve them in an expansion down the road.

Currently:
Alpha: Guild Wars
Playing: City of Heroes
Interested: WOW & EQII (yeah, both... deal with it)

DarkestHour5 · July 2004

You people need to seek help.....you sit there for god knows how long and study the looks of a char on a game just to point out flaws cause there to ugly for you to jack off to....lol and as far as it being a girl what fucking diff does that make....half the female game players are dikes....Just change what i said earlier from jacking off to fingering.....altho you cant see cause POST DELETED!!!!! GRRRR

...But anyways you people need to calm the hell down its a game there not going to make these chars looke perfect...so keep ya pants up and just look up some porn dont pay 10+ dollars a month for any mmorpg just to jack off to the chars be a normal man and pay $2.95 a month for porn

sidebuster · July 2004

your one dumb ass arn't you? I too would study what is going on in a game that i am going to pay 50 dollars for + PTP. So shut the --- up. Your a pathetic exuse for a MMORPG player, and get off the forums now.

sidebuster · July 2004

Originally posted by DarkestHour5
sidebuster you stupid ass idiot you tryna start a flame war with me? you are that slow arent you? you fat cupcake eating mutha fucka just sit your god damn cock filled cump dumpster having mouth you over weight piece of shit lose weight and fuck off my nuts i aint selling tickets....you fucking retarded little ass clown...how dare you even think your worth speaking to me? you are below me you fucking worthless piece of shit go hang your self for even breathing..i am sick right now...so fucking sick its a joke.....you sit there and dare insult me? i will fucking cut your balls off and shove them down ur whore of a mothers mouth.....you fucking punk i bet ur ass is about as loose as ur mother after 2 drinks huh?...you fucking joke......go die now you are fucking pitiful....i bet you enjoy for4ced anal sex dont you? you into that S&M? lol kid why are you being clowned so bad right now? dont even bother replying to this post i will make your sorry ass cry you arent on my level so pelase dont EVER think that you are...now please sign the fuck off and dont ever read an other post of mine you fucking WORTHLESS PIECE OF SHIT....by the way any one else has a problem with what i fucking typed? EAT A GOD DAMN DICK! peace fuck

Damn you know me so well ::::06:: ahahhaah nice reply ::::28:: and i am not tryna start any "flame war" nice try though...

Ominis · July 2004

lol, guess you don't know how these forums work. As soon as a Mod sees that post its going to be gone... maybe even you with it, just depends what kinda mood the Mod is in.

Currently:
Alpha: Guild Wars
Playing: City of Heroes
Interested: WOW & EQII (yeah, both... deal with it)

sidebuster · July 2004

ominis you tryna start a fame war wit m3h? you BLEEPLEEPLEEPLEEPLEEPLEEPLEEPLEEPLEEP

lol j/k. cool sig by the way.
Oh yeah i forgot to comment on that site being caught up in all the nonsense and such. Really is good the way she pointed out the problems most people been wondering why they dont like the EQ2 characters too much. (including me) I hope the DEVs see it and get the peoples opinions and fix it.

Ominis · July 2004

Yeah, the sig turned out really well. Gundamit made it for me and like all the sigs he has made it looks awesome.

Currently:
Alpha: Guild Wars
Playing: City of Heroes
Interested: WOW & EQII (yeah, both... deal with it)

vamse · July 2004

comparing to lineage2 is a bit weird though, i mean...5 classes, 3 hairstyles, 2 faces, 2 haircollors, that game has the worst customisation (spelling?) of any mmorpg today, eq2 will have to most options of any mmorpg (probably), but I agree some of the models do not look that great compared to others and the surroundings, ect. Atleast you can make a caracter so differnet from others that you can recognize people by their appearance.

Misti · July 2004

The comparisons to L2 were right on. They arent talking about how much customization is available in L2 or how good or bad of a game it is, they are talking about how the body styles and stances are far superior. Also your numbers are off a bit. I am not going to count them all but there are over 30 classes in L2, and at least for females there are 4 hair styles.

I dont like the limited selection in L2 either but at least the ones they provide are good and each of the 4 hair styles actually looks substantialy different from the others. Many people think the character creation disk does not allow near the customization or quality the SWG already provides and that it is difficult to really make your character look unique at all so those claims by SOE are in question.

If you want to get a better idea of what she is saying and how most of the EQ2 community is responding (by far the vast majority seem to agree with her) you should peek at the thread.

http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=art&message.id=5000

styles74 · July 2004

ya I think the graphics chick is probably pretty accurate. Hopefully they will get stuff fixed by release, but hey its SOE and my hopes aren't up. Man even now im starting to lose faith.

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nooblet · July 2004

Well...i dont find these too appealing..but i wont be playing this race anyways

NoisyMonkey · July 2004

I'm gonna be playing a wood elf or a halfling, probably both, and maybe make a funny race/class combo :O

Alreal · July 2004

This is a good critique with many good points, the only problem I have with it is that many people will want to play "Uglies".

Many times hanging around the crafting stations in various cities in SWG i would find myself apporached by an oily balding little fat man tring to sell something, whilst it isnt my bag and certaintly not attractive it was not to the detriment of immersiveness, it added to the realness and diversity.

Anyhow, I have faith that the models will be improved and we will have a range of beautiful and ugly people taking the world by storm.

Drega · July 2004

I seriously doubt the character models will be changed in any drastic form. Mainly for one reason, as some have already stated. The ablity to play a variety of different looking models, from attractive, to well down right ugly. And another point, I know no female that stands like those L2 females do when when 'relaxed'. Lol, they stand more like the eq2 model. Also, the comparison between the different game models wasnt that well done, your comparing models in full armor, robes, and near nothing to models in what appears to be rags/ratty nightgowns.

Kane · July 2004

Looking at screenshots, however, the characters look less...odd. They do seem to blend in with the world well, at least, so it they aren't distracting problems, just problems.

NeoDrakeskin · July 2004

Okay, is it just me or does that dark elf male kinda look like Willem Dafoe? I dunno, but I really don't see why we can't have ugly people too. There are ugly people in the real world, so why not in a game? Heck, the majority of the people I see every single day aren't exactly beautiful.

I do agree that hey need to decrease the maximum sliders for some of the things because you can make some things that just shouldn't be possible, but other than that, I see nothing wrong with people wanting to be dumb and making ugly characters, adds to variety if you ask me. I for one would never make an unattractive character just because I have to look at that character for the rest of the time I play him, I don't wanna look like a freak. But that's just me ^_^

But yeah... Willem Dafoe... I dunno, but that dark elf male looks okay to me, just kinda creepy haha.

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