Originally posted by fordiepie You might check out Q3 reports (just google up NcSoft). Looks like TR preorders were not exactly a shot in the arm. Net income down 21%, even with the successful release of the the new Guild Wars update.
from the article you mention
NCsoft CFO JaeHo Lee said, During the third quarter, sales in North America and Europe rose with the successful launch of the Guild Wars expansion pack. We expect to see an increase in fourth quarter sales with the newly launched Richard Garriotts Tabula Rasa®. Aion is in a closed beta testing process, and user responses are very positive.
You would have to sell a lot of $5 pre-orders to make a difference. Gross income was up. Nett income being down just means they spent lots of money. Possibly on the buyout of the I.P for COX.
The Q4 results will be the interesting one. as that will include box sales of T.R and resubcriptions.
Well, they may have a major hit with Aion. And they didn't have to fork over 6% of the entire company to buy a "name" US game brand glamour-name to develop Aion. Wonder how much 6% of NcSoft is in dollars? The SK CEO owns 27%.
But don't count out EA. SOE made a deal with NcSoft to port or develop new games for the PS--not ownership. EA is wanting a major Asian toehold to go a mano with Blizzard/Vivendi.
Expecting an interesting press release out of Seoul this weekend.
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I'm reading these forums for years and they are usually full of bs and kids that flame games they never played. It's fun to read all that while bored at work, that's why I'm lurking all these years.
Anyway, TR is great game, take it from someone who played most of MMOGs out there.
So far I'm having a great time on this game, it's fast passed and the shooting elements fit in just fine. I like them here as much as I hate the alternative ones from NGE. My sub is payed for at least 2 more months, so I'm not planing to leave it after the 30 days free. May SOE roth in piece.
NCsoft recently signed a pretty big deal with SoE.
If Tabula Rasa craps out in a few months it is a very good possibility that SoE will buy out NCsoft North America and get rid of the Garriott brothers.
AH, you mean this?
NCsoft Corporation, the world’s leading developer and publisher of online games today announced an exclusive game development deal with Sony Computer Entertainment Inc. (SCEI) that provides for NCsoft to create several online games for SCEI’s PlayStation® platforms, including PLAYSTATION®3 (PS3™) and PSP® (PlayStation®Portable), accessible through PLAYSTATION®Network.
That is not SOE itself, it's Sony yes, but it's a way to make NCSoft work for their consoles on online games. The day SOE's name get's connected to TR I will be out.
I'm reading these forums for years and they are usually full of bs and kids that flame games they never played. It's fun to read all that while bored at work, that's why I'm lurking all these years. Anyway, TR is great game, take it from someone who played most of MMOGs out there.
Well, since you're not really well versed on forum etiquette I suppose I could point out to you that insulting the posters here at MMORPG com is not the best way to go about trying to establish credibility or argue your point.
You might do better to explain what about TR makes it a 'great' game....since its lacking in any signficant PVP, is level based, certainly not a sandbox world, and is more of shooter than anything else I suspect strongly that its not the game I'm looking for.
Remember this.... many people play lots of MMOG's.... and most aren't good at any of them.
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The Q4 results will be the interesting one. as that will include box sales of T.R and resubcriptions.
I agree with that. It will be interesting to see how the 'strategy' formulated NCSoft's CEO, Kim Taek-jin , six years ago when TR began development will finally hold up to cold reality.
I can see this game getting really really good...just my old friend Richard left out some old Uo style stuff that some of us really miss....other then that its a fresh interesting game with a fresh feel to it in the genre. Ill proboly get it in about 4-6 months.
There are people saying that this game is a copy of WOW but with guns, i just for the life of me cannot understand where this flawd arguement stems from. How on earth can they say that about this great new game?.
The combat system for starters is nothing like WOW, the proffesion progress system is not like WOW either. The in game voice system lends a whole new experience to grouping not seen in WOW
It appears to me that alot of players just throw WOW in there as a trump card to try to win the argument, well that trump card doesnt stand up in my game
While I can't exactly say this is a Wow clone by any stretch (and I think people who do are failing in logic), I can't say it's a perfect game.
I tried it in beta and got up to 30 on a couple chars (non clone 30s) and the gameplay just is kinda flawed. I can't see this game building a huge audience but who knows, give it a few years and maybe it can improve. If this game were free it would certainly be the consumption of my time but I can't say it's good enough to be worth cash as is. Of course not everyone shares that view.
For now I regret that the only thing I will remember this game by is the way they did ranged combat and having an awesome soundtrack.
There are people saying that this game is a copy of WOW but with guns, i just for the life of me cannot understand where this flawd arguement stems from. How on earth can they say that about this great new game?. The combat system for starters is nothing like WOW, the proffesion progress system is not like WOW either. The in game voice system lends a whole new experience to grouping not seen in WOW It appears to me that alot of players just throw WOW in there as a trump card to try to win the argument, well that trump card doesnt stand up in my game if anythign this game is sarship troopers online
Starship Troopers is a fair comparison imo.
Troopers all look the same and have the same guns, nothing like WoW at all where characters look very different and sport different weapons.
My lvl 34 char has been having a wee rest recently as I was finding the gameplay repetative, harder hitting guns v harder mobs.....and so on.
The 'new' Hybrid characters look just llike those aliens which populated DS9 and Star trek TNG on the telly, where the makeup guys seemingly competed to see how many lumps 'n' bumps they could plaster onto a human actor's face thus making an 'alien'. Rubbish really.
Dare I say it, but TR really needs more diversity, yes, more outlandish and recogniseable armour and weapons (defeating the troopers theme I know) I'm thinking more along Phantasy Star Online here, where characters with differing skills looked to be just that.
A few 'proper' bosses would be nice, where tactics are required. Bah, that's WoW isn't it.
Crafting.....Nope not talking about that.
Also, on a purely personal note they really need to dumb down the effects of laser chainguns. I'm getting spasms looking at it.
....and perhaps some 'alien' lanscapes would be nice, not Richard Garriott's Texas tvm.
Richard Garriott turned me into a newt. I got better.
R.G. is a warlock! Burn him!!!
To the OP and all others who love Tabula Rasa: good for you, go play the game.
Personally, I don't want the game to fail. I'm pointing out its flaws with hope for the off chance that somebody will get the idea to fix them. Also for the betterment of the MMORPG community experience, for the good of game development and for my own enjoyment.
Anyway, the concept of the game is sound and you could even say it has "raw potential". It looks great on paper, but the execution is severely lacking.
The endgame has no draw, missions are buggy, PvP is crippled and unbalanced between classes, and to top it off there is no reason to group for anything (everything is highly solo-able). Upon reaching the final benchmark level (30), any progression thereafter has no reward for the grind. Essentially, the game ends there.
Any who say this is the greatest bit of interactive media they've ever touched have never had the pleasure of playing a good game in their lives. I shed a tear for their loss.
Sorry Plasuma but your information is out of date, and flawed.
TR was never supposed to be a PVP game, class balancing may be something they do in the future but it is hopefully a low priority.
Very few missions are buggy, they just require some thinking. I don't know how many times I've seen someone posting in General that a quest is bugged when they simply didn't read the mission description.
Since the last patch the difficulty has increased and it has beome a lot harder to solo, check any TR forum for the obligatory "ZOMG Forced Grouping in 1.4?" thread.
For me the game really began at 30, I'm having great fun trying out the different tier 4 professions and due to the cloning system I currently have 6 I can jump between and they all play very differently.
It's not the greatest piece of interactive media I ever saw (SS2 still holds that title) but it's damn good and better than any of the alternatives by a mile.
I don't see how my opinion can be flawed given that it's a subjective view from what the game was back in December when I played Tabula Rasa. My info is outdated for sure, but some points surprisingly (even to myself) do have a bit of relevance.
There really was very little "end game" if any at all, and given that you didn't cover that in your retort, it remains true. PvP was indeed unbalanced for many of the classes, and since the patch notes really didn't address any of it, I assume it's still the case.
It's a PvE game with a fast-paced combat system and nothing to do at the end. You can't possibly think they made all the right decisions there. Anyone can agree that the combat would be awesome for PvP, and I personally have no idea why it hasn't been embraced yet (except for the possibility of maintaining the lore and RP aspect).
Anyway, I just say what I say for the sheer joy of getting a negative response. Enhaxed, you've done a marvelous job so far of keeping my day job entertaining. Seriously, kudos!
Sorry Plas it isn't you I'm posting for, it's the people who come to this site looking for info on TR that i'm really speaking to. If I see anyone posting inaccurate information about the game I will correct it so these people are not left misinformed or at least have an alternative point of view to contrast the trolling with.
If that also provides you with jollies then I'm happy for you.
Sorry Plas it isn't you I'm posting for, it's the people who come to this site looking for info on TR that i'm really speaking to. If I see anyone posting inaccurate information about the game I will correct it so these people are not left misinformed or at least have an alternative point of view to contrast the trolling with. If that also provides you with jollies then I'm happy for you.
Cheers, may the Tabula troll wars beg-- er continue!
If you want to provide all the forum visitors with accurate information, you could start a new thread with "Tabula Rasa: is it Your Game?" including the good and the bad points of the design from different perspectives (casual players, hardcore players, PvPers, carebears, etc).
Mods might make it a sticky, too (I promise I wont bitch in there either).
Obviously I'm in no position to make such a legendary thread, as I am a self-proclaimed bridge dweller.
Still no reason for actually wanting the game to fail. It's jut not logical.
Unfortunately this is exactly your answer. For them it is a reason for pure irrational hatred. It hurts themselves as much as it TR in the long run, but what are you gonna do.
For others its basically them throwing a tantrum. The game didn't turn out the way they want so they try to throw it against the wall like a child not getting his way.
I personally opted not to play TR because I do not think the character development is mature enough but I hope it succeeds and matures the character stuff enough for me to play. However I only see a relative minority of people with a reasonable view like this. Not a small minority but still a minority. Maybe the reasonable people just don't post i don't know.
I guess its not too far of a stretch to think someone who is having a tantrum has a greater need to have attention than people who aren't. And the people who have a knee jerk hatred tend to believe they need to "spread the word" that the game is overhyped and run by evil people trying to fool you and basically indulge in a campaign of exactly the same tactics they believe the evil developers use, they smear for every percieved hype. They believe its their job, its a crusade and that is why they are not just justified but morally required to hate and destroy.
TR had the potencial to become a great MMORPG but R.G. blow it. I can also add, to the negatives that Plasuma said, that the crafting system is crapy and basicly TR is a 3rd person shooter. Maybe they will fix this problems but for now there is no point to give your money for it.
Still no reason for actually wanting the game to fail. It's jut not logical.
Unfortunately this is exactly your answer. For them it is a reason for pure irrational hatred. It hurts themselves as much as it TR in the long run, but what are you gonna do.
For others its basically them throwing a tantrum. The game didn't turn out the way they want so they try to throw it against the wall like a child not getting his way.
I personally opted not to play TR because I do not think the character development is mature enough but I hope it succeeds and matures the character stuff enough for me to play. However I only see a relative minority of people with a reasonable view like this. Not a small minority but still a minority. Maybe the reasonable people just don't post i don't know.
I guess its not too far of a stretch to think someone who is having a tantrum has a greater need to have attention than people who aren't. And the people who have a knee jerk hatred tend to believe they need to "spread the word" that the game is overhyped and run by evil people trying to fool you and basically indulge in a campaign of exactly the same tactics they believe the evil developers use, they smear for every percieved hype. They believe its their job, its a crusade and that is why they are not just justified but morally required to hate and destroy.
Personally I want any game that isnt a quality product to fail miserably, these companies cranking out one lame MMO after anotother need to fail until they get it through their thick skulls that they need to be ingenuitive rather than stagnant. We the consumers are tired of products like these that dont deliver long term fun. Thats why everyone is so cynical, simply put, were tired of crap and are looking to burn some witches.
There was a dev online on Orion last night, he was writing down suggestions we gave him, THAT's the kind of dev every MMO needs to have- devs and Garriot seems to regularily drop in on the servers once in a while and talks with us for an hour or two then sometimes runs an event in a zone. I think that's an advantage to not having an official TR forums.
Game GMs are also excellent in response and support, much unlike the GMs in SOE that barely speak english.
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from the article you mention
You would have to sell a lot of $5 pre-orders to make a difference. Gross income was up. Nett income being down just means they spent lots of money. Possibly on the buyout of the I.P for COX.
The Q4 results will be the interesting one. as that will include box sales of T.R and resubcriptions.
Well, they may have a major hit with Aion. And they didn't have to fork over 6% of the entire company to buy a "name" US game brand glamour-name to develop Aion. Wonder how much 6% of NcSoft is in dollars? The SK CEO owns 27%.
But don't count out EA. SOE made a deal with NcSoft to port or develop new games for the PS--not ownership. EA is wanting a major Asian toehold to go a mano with Blizzard/Vivendi.
Expecting an interesting press release out of Seoul this weekend.
Until you spread your wings, you have no idea how far you can walk.
I'm reading these forums for years and they are usually full of bs and kids that flame games they never played. It's fun to read all that while bored at work, that's why I'm lurking all these years.
Anyway, TR is great game, take it from someone who played most of MMOGs out there.
NCsoft recently signed a pretty big deal with SoE.
If Tabula Rasa craps out in a few months it is a very good possibility that SoE will buy out NCsoft North America and get rid of the Garriott brothers.
AH, you mean this?
NCsoft Corporation, the world’s leading developer and publisher of online games today announced an exclusive game development deal with Sony Computer Entertainment Inc. (SCEI) that provides for NCsoft to create several online games for SCEI’s PlayStation® platforms, including PLAYSTATION®3 (PS3™) and PSP® (PlayStation®Portable), accessible through PLAYSTATION®Network.
That is not SOE itself, it's Sony yes, but it's a way to make NCSoft work for their consoles on online games. The day SOE's name get's connected to TR I will be out.
Well, since you're not really well versed on forum etiquette I suppose I could point out to you that insulting the posters here at MMORPG com is not the best way to go about trying to establish credibility or argue your point.
You might do better to explain what about TR makes it a 'great' game....since its lacking in any signficant PVP, is level based, certainly not a sandbox world, and is more of shooter than anything else I suspect strongly that its not the game I'm looking for.
Remember this.... many people play lots of MMOG's.... and most aren't good at any of them.
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Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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Hmmm
So true...
I can see this game getting really really good...just my old friend Richard left out some old Uo style stuff that some of us really miss....other then that its a fresh interesting game with a fresh feel to it in the genre. Ill proboly get it in about 4-6 months.
I play all ghame
There are people saying that this game is a copy of WOW but with guns, i just for the life of me cannot understand where this flawd arguement stems from. How on earth can they say that about this great new game?.
The combat system for starters is nothing like WOW, the proffesion progress system is not like WOW either. The in game voice system lends a whole new experience to grouping not seen in WOW
It appears to me that alot of players just throw WOW in there as a trump card to try to win the argument, well that trump card doesnt stand up in my game
if anythign this game is sarship troopers online
Any time they relate a game to WOW in that fashion, it's just a way of saying they dislike the game and want everyone else to feel the same way.
MMOs Played: EQ 1&2, DAoC, SWG, Planetside, WoW, GW, CoX, DDO, EVE, Vanguard, TR
Playing: WAR
Awaiting 40k Online and wishing for Battletech Online
While I can't exactly say this is a Wow clone by any stretch (and I think people who do are failing in logic), I can't say it's a perfect game.
I tried it in beta and got up to 30 on a couple chars (non clone 30s) and the gameplay just is kinda flawed. I can't see this game building a huge audience but who knows, give it a few years and maybe it can improve. If this game were free it would certainly be the consumption of my time but I can't say it's good enough to be worth cash as is. Of course not everyone shares that view.
For now I regret that the only thing I will remember this game by is the way they did ranged combat and having an awesome soundtrack.
/rant
Now it seems to me very clear why in most fantasy settings necromancy is forbidden...
Stop resurrecting dead threads!
Starship Troopers is a fair comparison imo.
Troopers all look the same and have the same guns, nothing like WoW at all where characters look very different and sport different weapons.
My lvl 34 char has been having a wee rest recently as I was finding the gameplay repetative, harder hitting guns v harder mobs.....and so on.
The 'new' Hybrid characters look just llike those aliens which populated DS9 and Star trek TNG on the telly, where the makeup guys seemingly competed to see how many lumps 'n' bumps they could plaster onto a human actor's face thus making an 'alien'. Rubbish really.
Dare I say it, but TR really needs more diversity, yes, more outlandish and recogniseable armour and weapons (defeating the troopers theme I know) I'm thinking more along Phantasy Star Online here, where characters with differing skills looked to be just that.
A few 'proper' bosses would be nice, where tactics are required. Bah, that's WoW isn't it.
Crafting.....Nope not talking about that.
Also, on a purely personal note they really need to dumb down the effects of laser chainguns. I'm getting spasms looking at it.
....and perhaps some 'alien' lanscapes would be nice, not Richard Garriott's Texas tvm.
heh why do you care? play it or dont.. thats my mantra
Richard Garriott turned me into a newt.
I got better.
R.G. is a warlock! Burn him!!!
To the OP and all others who love Tabula Rasa: good for you, go play the game.
Personally, I don't want the game to fail. I'm pointing out its flaws with hope for the off chance that somebody will get the idea to fix them. Also for the betterment of the MMORPG community experience, for the good of game development and for my own enjoyment.
Anyway, the concept of the game is sound and you could even say it has "raw potential". It looks great on paper, but the execution is severely lacking.
The endgame has no draw, missions are buggy, PvP is crippled and unbalanced between classes, and to top it off there is no reason to group for anything (everything is highly solo-able). Upon reaching the final benchmark level (30), any progression thereafter has no reward for the grind. Essentially, the game ends there.
Any who say this is the greatest bit of interactive media they've ever touched have never had the pleasure of playing a good game in their lives. I shed a tear for their loss.
Sorry Plasuma but your information is out of date, and flawed.
TR was never supposed to be a PVP game, class balancing may be something they do in the future but it is hopefully a low priority.
Very few missions are buggy, they just require some thinking. I don't know how many times I've seen someone posting in General that a quest is bugged when they simply didn't read the mission description.
Since the last patch the difficulty has increased and it has beome a lot harder to solo, check any TR forum for the obligatory "ZOMG Forced Grouping in 1.4?" thread.
For me the game really began at 30, I'm having great fun trying out the different tier 4 professions and due to the cloning system I currently have 6 I can jump between and they all play very differently.
It's not the greatest piece of interactive media I ever saw (SS2 still holds that title) but it's damn good and better than any of the alternatives by a mile.
I don't see how my opinion can be flawed given that it's a subjective view from what the game was back in December when I played Tabula Rasa. My info is outdated for sure, but some points surprisingly (even to myself) do have a bit of relevance.
There really was very little "end game" if any at all, and given that you didn't cover that in your retort, it remains true. PvP was indeed unbalanced for many of the classes, and since the patch notes really didn't address any of it, I assume it's still the case.
It's a PvE game with a fast-paced combat system and nothing to do at the end. You can't possibly think they made all the right decisions there. Anyone can agree that the combat would be awesome for PvP, and I personally have no idea why it hasn't been embraced yet (except for the possibility of maintaining the lore and RP aspect).
Anyway, I just say what I say for the sheer joy of getting a negative response. Enhaxed, you've done a marvelous job so far of keeping my day job entertaining. Seriously, kudos!
Sorry Plas it isn't you I'm posting for, it's the people who come to this site looking for info on TR that i'm really speaking to. If I see anyone posting inaccurate information about the game I will correct it so these people are not left misinformed or at least have an alternative point of view to contrast the trolling with.
If that also provides you with jollies then I'm happy for you.
Cheers, may the Tabula troll wars beg-- er continue!
If you want to provide all the forum visitors with accurate information, you could start a new thread with "Tabula Rasa: is it Your Game?" including the good and the bad points of the design from different perspectives (casual players, hardcore players, PvPers, carebears, etc).
Mods might make it a sticky, too (I promise I wont bitch in there either).
Obviously I'm in no position to make such a legendary thread, as I am a self-proclaimed bridge dweller.
all hail lord british....
Still no reason for actually wanting the game to fail. It's jut not logical.
Unfortunately this is exactly your answer. For them it is a reason for pure irrational hatred. It hurts themselves as much as it TR in the long run, but what are you gonna do.For others its basically them throwing a tantrum. The game didn't turn out the way they want so they try to throw it against the wall like a child not getting his way.
I personally opted not to play TR because I do not think the character development is mature enough but I hope it succeeds and matures the character stuff enough for me to play. However I only see a relative minority of people with a reasonable view like this. Not a small minority but still a minority. Maybe the reasonable people just don't post i don't know.
I guess its not too far of a stretch to think someone who is having a tantrum has a greater need to have attention than people who aren't. And the people who have a knee jerk hatred tend to believe they need to "spread the word" that the game is overhyped and run by evil people trying to fool you and basically indulge in a campaign of exactly the same tactics they believe the evil developers use, they smear for every percieved hype. They believe its their job, its a crusade and that is why they are not just justified but morally required to hate and destroy.
TR had the potencial to become a great MMORPG but R.G. blow it. I can also add, to the negatives that Plasuma said, that the crafting system is crapy and basicly TR is a 3rd person shooter. Maybe they will fix this problems but for now there is no point to give your money for it.
Still no reason for actually wanting the game to fail. It's jut not logical.
Unfortunately this is exactly your answer. For them it is a reason for pure irrational hatred. It hurts themselves as much as it TR in the long run, but what are you gonna do.For others its basically them throwing a tantrum. The game didn't turn out the way they want so they try to throw it against the wall like a child not getting his way.
I personally opted not to play TR because I do not think the character development is mature enough but I hope it succeeds and matures the character stuff enough for me to play. However I only see a relative minority of people with a reasonable view like this. Not a small minority but still a minority. Maybe the reasonable people just don't post i don't know.
I guess its not too far of a stretch to think someone who is having a tantrum has a greater need to have attention than people who aren't. And the people who have a knee jerk hatred tend to believe they need to "spread the word" that the game is overhyped and run by evil people trying to fool you and basically indulge in a campaign of exactly the same tactics they believe the evil developers use, they smear for every percieved hype. They believe its their job, its a crusade and that is why they are not just justified but morally required to hate and destroy.
Personally I want any game that isnt a quality product to fail miserably, these companies cranking out one lame MMO after anotother need to fail until they get it through their thick skulls that they need to be ingenuitive rather than stagnant. We the consumers are tired of products like these that dont deliver long term fun. Thats why everyone is so cynical, simply put, were tired of crap and are looking to burn some witches.
There was a dev online on Orion last night, he was writing down suggestions we gave him, THAT's the kind of dev every MMO needs to have- devs and Garriot seems to regularily drop in on the servers once in a while and talks with us for an hour or two then sometimes runs an event in a zone. I think that's an advantage to not having an official TR forums.
Game GMs are also excellent in response and support, much unlike the GMs in SOE that barely speak english.