I did see some better looking armor pieces in a previous post by Kryogenic...but the fact remains that the form fitting leotard leather pants still exist, and look girlish (I am sorry...but the men have ZERO bulge...emasculated indeed)...and it still is a copy...
The fact also is EQ2 did it first...name another game that does this...except LOTRO. It does not matter how long it took either JonMichael...as NO ONE else has even done it (lets at least give Turbine credit though for doing something no one BUT EQ2 has done).
Too sad Turbine still continues on the Microsoft path of copy everyone, innovate none...
Can someone help me understand what difference it makes that EQ2 or WoW or whatever did something 2 minutes, two weeks, or two years before some other game did it? Who cares who did it first?
Can someone help me understand what difference it makes that EQ2 or WoW or whatever did something 2 minutes, two weeks, or two years before some other game did it? Who cares who did it first? Thanks for helping my understanding.
I will assume then you have not played MMO's very long by your comment.
The reason is...that if the other MMO's are doing it, then well....you have played it before, and with a type of game where you do things over long periods of time over and over...you just hope that another MMO you go to will be new and different...
Turbine did state they would not "innovate"...and they are really sticking to that mantra...
I will assume then you have not played MMO's very long by your comment.
A little over 2 years. I suppose that's not very long compared to many people. I've played 4 MMOs and there are things I like about each of them regardless of who did what first.
I couldn't care less if Windows copied Macintosh which got the idea from Xerox which couldn't have happened if IBM hadn't been what they were over the last 50 years. I don't need to be first I guess.
So, I'm still hoping that someone can explain why it matters who did what first.
Well I did see some better looking armor pieces in a previous post by Kryogenic...but the fact remains that the form fitting leotard leather pants still exist, and look girlish (I am sorry...but the men have ZERO bulge...emasculated indeed)...and it still is a copy... The fact also is EQ2 did it first...name another game that does this...except LOTRO. It does not matter how long it took either JonMichael...as NO ONE else has even done it (lets at least give Turbine credit though for doing something no one BUT EQ2 has done). Too sad Turbine still continues on the Microsoft path of copy everyone, innovate none... Sorry Later!
Why do you wanna see bulges in the male character's pants? I'm sorry, but seeing some pixelated dude's junk bulge in his pants just doesn't seem that cool of a feature to me. In fact, I think it's decidedly uncool and would make me not want to play the game... unless I could adjust my dude's junk to bulge out super far so I could run around for comedic effect.
EQ2 did it first, bravo EQ2.
The thing is, LotRO housing system is so much cooler. (You have an instanced neighborhood with neighbors and guild halls, rivers, parks, ect.)
The graphics and animations in LotRO are cooler than EQ2. (I know this is totally subjective and very unbiased of me, but let's not kid ourselves about the validity of the EQ2 fanbois posts in this thread in so far as unbiased views are concerned.)
The gameplay in LotRO is alot more fun than EQ2s gameplay. EQ2 is stale and boring. (Also, subjective... see my other comment above.)
As far as RPing goes, LotRO wins hands down as EQ2 just doesn't have as many tools to RP with. This isn't subjective. This is fact.
The only thing I like better about EQ2 is the hooded robes and that's it.
On the innovation tip, EQ2 didn't push the limits or bring anything new to the table. Furthermore, to down Turbine and Microsoft while holding SOE in high regard is just insane. Are you even a gamer? Did you miss all of the fiascos that SOE was and is at the center of?
It doesn't matter if EQ2 did first. The point is that the 2 systems, while similar, are not the same. If you don't play the game, stop posting about another game in the what should be a discussion of this game.
Well I did see some better looking armor pieces in a previous post by Kryogenic...but the fact remains that the form fitting leotard leather pants still exist, and look girlish (I am sorry...but the men have ZERO bulge...emasculated indeed)...and it still is a copy... The fact also is EQ2 did it first...name another game that does this...except LOTRO. It does not matter how long it took either JonMichael...as NO ONE else has even done it (lets at least give Turbine credit though for doing something no one BUT EQ2 has done). Too sad Turbine still continues on the Microsoft path of copy everyone, innovate none... Sorry Later!
Take a look at the screenshots of EQ2 the first year it launched or read back on the SOE message boards. People were complaining about the same thing.. nasty looking armor. I played the game for a year and when I left, nothing had changed where armor was concerned.
Also, during it's first year (at least while I was playing), EQ2 was hardly innovative. They've introduced a few new things to the genre, but it's hardly been groundbreaking. In fact, at launch, EQ2 had no in game mail.
Prior to LOTRO, I don't recall any MMO that had player generated music.
Does it really matter who did what first or if a company takes a good idea and uses it to make their game better? Nope.
What matters is if you like the game, play it.. if not, move on to one you do like.
Have a great day!
_________________________________ JonMichael
Currently: AION, an MMO Beta under NDA Played: WAR, LOTRO, Hellgate: London, CoX, GW, SotNW, DAOC, EQ2, SWG, WoW, AO, Horizons, Second Life, There, TSO Beta'd: There, Second Life, EQ2, DAOC:LotM, LOTRO, Tabula Rasa, Gods and Heroes, Hellgate: London, Requiem:Bloodymare, AoC, WAR, DDO, Fallen Earth
I'm one of the first to say the combat and advancement systems in this game are nothing but a clone of EQ/WoW with the restricting boring class system, item-based level-based hackfest gameplay. But this is a GREAT new addition. They should be applauded for this. You have the customizable music (already there), two outfit slots, and barbershop stuff. Housing stuff. It's actually earning the RP part of RPG. Credit where credit is due. I mean, did they dropkick your kitten like Hulk Hogan in the 90's? Or, is it sincere lament for what was once called Middle Earth Online? Well, I can understand that one. Anyway, update looks good, but I guess since I'm not currently playing, it doesn't matter too much what I think.
Isnt this new system also a clone of an existing system from EQ2?
I can't speak for anyone else, but my issue with it is that it doesn't make the armor less ugly.. you just get more ugly choices. This system benefits heavy armor wearers far more than those of us stuck in the ugly light armor clown suits... the people who actually had issues with their appearance in the first place.
True, it is a clone from EQ2. I 100% agree with you on that. But the thing is: It's a good thing to clone. The only arguably original feature (to the best of my knoweldge) in LOTRO is the music "system" (though you could compare it to flourishes from SWG Entertainers.)
As for me, I hate the way heavy armor looks in general. One reason I can't play "heavy" classes in class-based games. I like clothing, not full armor.
I don't see anything wrong with using ideas or things (general) that worked in other games. I think this is a nice solid 'first shot' at answering the cries of the customer base.
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I did see some better looking armor pieces in a previous post by Kryogenic...but the fact remains that the form fitting leotard leather pants still exist, and look girlish (I am sorry...but the men have ZERO bulge...emasculated indeed)...and it still is a copy...
The fact also is EQ2 did it first...name another game that does this...except LOTRO. It does not matter how long it took either JonMichael...as NO ONE else has even done it (lets at least give Turbine credit though for doing something no one BUT EQ2 has done).
Too sad Turbine still continues on the Microsoft path of copy everyone, innovate none...
Sorry
Later!
Can someone help me understand what difference it makes that EQ2 or WoW or whatever did something 2 minutes, two weeks, or two years before some other game did it? Who cares who did it first?
Thanks for helping my understanding.
The reason is...that if the other MMO's are doing it, then well....you have played it before, and with a type of game where you do things over long periods of time over and over...you just hope that another MMO you go to will be new and different...
Turbine did state they would not "innovate"...and they are really sticking to that mantra...
Hope that explains...
Later
hey EQ2 uses magic and swords. What a bunch of copy cats......................
No matter what MMORPG you play they've taken something from someone.
Sorry...wrong argument.
Thanks
I couldn't care less if Windows copied Macintosh which got the idea from Xerox which couldn't have happened if IBM hadn't been what they were over the last 50 years. I don't need to be first I guess.
So, I'm still hoping that someone can explain why it matters who did what first.
EQ2 did it first, bravo EQ2.
The thing is, LotRO housing system is so much cooler. (You have an instanced neighborhood with neighbors and guild halls, rivers, parks, ect.)
The graphics and animations in LotRO are cooler than EQ2. (I know this is totally subjective and very unbiased of me, but let's not kid ourselves about the validity of the EQ2 fanbois posts in this thread in so far as unbiased views are concerned.)
The gameplay in LotRO is alot more fun than EQ2s gameplay. EQ2 is stale and boring. (Also, subjective... see my other comment above.)
As far as RPing goes, LotRO wins hands down as EQ2 just doesn't have as many tools to RP with. This isn't subjective. This is fact.
The only thing I like better about EQ2 is the hooded robes and that's it.
On the innovation tip, EQ2 didn't push the limits or bring anything new to the table. Furthermore, to down Turbine and Microsoft while holding SOE in high regard is just insane. Are you even a gamer? Did you miss all of the fiascos that SOE was and is at the center of?
It doesn't matter if EQ2 did first. The point is that the 2 systems, while similar, are not the same. If you don't play the game, stop posting about another game in the what should be a discussion of this game.
Take a look at the screenshots of EQ2 the first year it launched or read back on the SOE message boards. People were complaining about the same thing.. nasty looking armor. I played the game for a year and when I left, nothing had changed where armor was concerned.
Also, during it's first year (at least while I was playing), EQ2 was hardly innovative. They've introduced a few new things to the genre, but it's hardly been groundbreaking. In fact, at launch, EQ2 had no in game mail.
Prior to LOTRO, I don't recall any MMO that had player generated music.
Does it really matter who did what first or if a company takes a good idea and uses it to make their game better? Nope.
What matters is if you like the game, play it.. if not, move on to one you do like.
Have a great day!
_________________________________
JonMichael
Currently: AION, an MMO Beta under NDA
Played: WAR, LOTRO, Hellgate: London, CoX, GW, SotNW, DAOC, EQ2, SWG, WoW, AO, Horizons, Second Life, There, TSO
Beta'd: There, Second Life, EQ2, DAOC:LotM, LOTRO, Tabula Rasa, Gods and Heroes, Hellgate: London, Requiem:Bloodymare, AoC, WAR, DDO, Fallen Earth
I can't speak for anyone else, but my issue with it is that it doesn't make the armor less ugly.. you just get more ugly choices. This system benefits heavy armor wearers far more than those of us stuck in the ugly light armor clown suits... the people who actually had issues with their appearance in the first place.
True, it is a clone from EQ2. I 100% agree with you on that. But the thing is: It's a good thing to clone. The only arguably original feature (to the best of my knoweldge) in LOTRO is the music "system" (though you could compare it to flourishes from SWG Entertainers.)
As for me, I hate the way heavy armor looks in general. One reason I can't play "heavy" classes in class-based games. I like clothing, not full armor.
I don't see anything wrong with using ideas or things (general) that worked in other games. I think this is a nice solid 'first shot' at answering the cries of the customer base.