NEW Review of EVE Online !!!

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• Unknown

  July 2004

    7 The EVE character creation is one of the BEST EVER out of every single MMORPG ever made! I would say it is a solid second place, after SWG. SWG still has the best customizations for face, body, hair, eyes, mouth, jawline, etc.. etc... But I was beyond impressed by how much character customization there is in EVE! EVE is even in a few ways better than SWG! Because it is possible to slightly exaggerate the facial features! Make 1 eyebrow noticeably higher than the other, 1 eye bigger, the mouth obviously crooked, etc...

    I spent a full 1 hour fooling around with the EVE character creator. There are 4 major "species"with even more multiple subspecies. (I think it's 4 major species with each species having 4 minor sub-species?) So 16 subspecies total. They are all humanoid looking, but most are obviously not of the exact same species. Kind of like a Dark Elf, Elf, Hobbit, and Dwarf all sharing the pointy ears which shows they have simular origins, but they are still noticeably different. There are males and females. Many of the outfits had a lot of imagination put into them.

    8. After making my character, I ... am... in... the.... GAME! Ohhh man! When you first see your ship hovering there in outter space - it takes your breath away! Screenshot time!!! Multiple screenshots!!!

   The camera controls in EVE rival the camera controls in AO. AO still has the best ever camera controls out of every MMORPG ever made. But EVE is such a close second, it almost ties AO! You can pan in and out, view your ship from every, single, itsy, bitsy, angle! Top, bottom, at different odd angles, etc.. Some EVE veteran players on the forums here at MMORPG.com recommended making sure to take the tutorial, reading it, and practicing it. They are right! It will make the game a lot less fustrating. I took my time, taking 1 hour to get through the tutorial, making sure I had everything down pat.

    9. The tutorial ends with you on your way to a nearby Space-Station. The ship controls are ultra-easy. The more you practice, the easier it gets. You can move your ship manually, or with help from the auto-pilot. It is soooo easy to call up the galactic map, plot your course, close the map, then put on the auto-pilot.

   The graphics, and interaction between your spaceship, and the spacestation are STUNNING! They not only LOOK NICE! The movement is incredibly realistic! It is litterally like watching a space movie! I loooove how the guns and turrets on one's ship rotate as they track different enemy targets! ( Just like in the new Freelancer game heheh!). Super-newbie me hung out in the space-station for 1 hour. Dis-embarking and re-docking over and over heheh LOL! The graphics, and movement is just that increadible! Yep, screenshot time!  (I'll post all my EVE screenshots later on.) And if you are in the way of the dock while other players are leaving, their ships knock into you and send you slightly spiraling out of the way.

    10. I did the first newbie mission. After talking to an Agent in the Space-station. I was given some important papers to put into my cargo hold. And told to deliver them to another solar system nearby. Travel between stars in EVE is the right mix of realism and fun. Not too short to be goofily unrealistic. But long enough to feel like you are actually traveling between stars!

    11. After delivering and completing my first newbie mission, I got a "tip" towards how to get my next mission. But instead I decided to check out a NPC criminal base nearby. I arrive and look it over, along with some astroid shards, and astroids nearby. I thought it was an empty base and decided to mine some of the astroids. Suddently I get attacked by one of the NPC enemy ships. I'm nervous. I panic. I'm still in my newbie ship, with my newbie weapons, newbie shields... I'm dead!

   But wait! UNLIKE most other MMORPGs, in EVE your starting ship is ACTUALLY a very decent ship! You are not super weak, able to get killed by 1 grain of spacedust! I ended up taking on 3 of those enemy ships at the same time! I even mined while the last one kept flying by taking shots at me. Combat in EVE is a mix of being quick AND also thinking, checking your instruments, readings, guaging how strong the enemy is, what type of damage they are doing to you AND knowing your immediate enviorment! I hid behind the astroid I was mining while I remembered how to use my Civilian Gatling Gun. The lowest my shields went down was 1/4th power. My hull never got damaged. I was very impressed by my newbie ship!

  
  

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• tck_tokyo Member Posts: 125

  July 2004

  OK I just read your whole thing.. uhm. I guess you have a few good points but lots of it was very strange.

  Firstly, installing the game should not take 4 hours. That has to be something wrong clientside, i.e. with your computer. Yes the client is incompatible when you get it. It's an MMORPG, and just like other MMORPGs patches come often, you should know this if you're a MMOG vet. The autoupdater is not very hard to use at all, but again if you're a MMOG vet. you should be smart enough to go to the website to go and manually download the full patch, from whatever version you have to the current one. And if it takes one hour for you to download 'all' the patches (I put all in hyphens because the autoupdate usually comes up with a smart way to download the patches in bundles and it shouldn't take very long) you must have a pretty slow internet connection. As mentioned the autoupdater works fine and swiftly, I don't really know what you're talking about, it being so confusing, or not knowing what buttons to take, just choose the server that's closest to you obviously! Otherwise there's that random button, which as you say the devs clearly stated you should choose if you're clueless.

  Secondly, I hate to repeat myself but again, any MMOG vet. would know that you need an account to play an MMORPG. How could you imagine that you'd be able to get into the game and make a character without an account?? Yes of course there exists standalone programs you can get which lets you make characters for the games without an account, but that obviously has nothing to do with this. You shouldn't have been surprised that it asked you to make an account. And you don't have to run the installer afterwards, it doesn't matter when you run the installer, it's not like a vital thing that you do it directly between specific steps.

  I don't see what's so hard about getting this game up but you make it sound like a nightmare, it's very simple. You install the game, update it if you have to (like you do with any other game in the entire world), create an account (like you ALWAYS do with MMOGs), and then begin to play. It's not really difficult, not even for a new player, let alone a 'MMOG vet'.

  Now, what is this you're saying, SWG has a better face customization? What are you talking about?? EVE has the best face customization I've ever seen! Yes that's the only thing it has but it's damn good at it, haha. You might say SWG has an overall better customization engine because you can change the whole body or what not, but regarding face customization, it definitely DOES NOT beat EVE.

  Also you got the whole species thing wrong. There are four races (Caldari, Minmatar, Gallente and Amarr) and every race has two bloodlines (I'm not going to name all of them but for example Caldari has the bloodlines 'Civire' and 'Deiteis'.. actually I'm not sure on the spelling of that second one but you get the idea). So that's 8 different choices regarding sub choices, the race/bloodline, or 'species' as you call it. You can however also choose male and female so yes there's 16 choices in all.

  I don't know what's so special about the AO camera control, I've tried AO myself for about 8 months (starting at release) and the camera isn't that special, you can rotate and zoom.. EVE is about the same except you do it with the mouse which is much smoother and nicer; I havn't been in AO for a while they may have moved it from the numberpad to the mouse now? I don't know..

  Don't get too cocky with your rookie ship. Those must have been really, really easy pirates.

  With all due respect this seems more like a summary of what your experiences were rather than a proper review, I'd wait until you know more about the game before you begin to write a review.. Anyway good luck.

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  July 2004

  
  

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  Originally posted by tck_tokyo

   

  you should know this if you're a MMOG vet. .................

  but again if you're a MMOG vet. you should be smart enough to go to the website to go and manually download the full patch, from whatever version you have to the current one. ..................

    The thing is this - it has nothing to do with if one is a MMORPG vet, or newbie. Or in between. MANY MMORPGs have different ways of actually starting a character, signing up. Some do not require you to visit their website first to make an account before running the installer program. Some require you to enter the CD Key when the installer program asks for it, NOT at their official site. Some allow you to sign up, then make your character, directly from the installer program. I even gave suggestions on what EVE should do. Now what if one is not a MMORPG vet? Then what?

   Yes, the EVE programmers should have step by step instructions appear on the very first screen on the installer program - "If you are about to use this game for the first time, please visit our site first and sign up. Enter the game CD Key code at the website. Then re-run the installer program and click on create new character."

  I put what the problem is, and what the solution should be. Assume everyone buying EVE is not a MMORPG vet.

  you must have a pretty slow internet connection. 

    56k at home is what I used. After I got into the game, everything worked well. Once in a while I got a bit of lag, but gameplay was good enough that I was not unable to play.

   just choose the server that's closest to you obviously! Otherwise there's that random button, which as you say the devs clearly stated you should choose if you're clueless.

    Iceland or Britain, or Britain? Which is what I did, I choose random.

  Secondly, I hate to repeat myself but again, any MMOG vet. would know that you need an account to play an MMORPG. How could you imagine that you'd be able to get into the game and make a character without an account??

    Again, first of all what if one is NOT a MMORPG vet? Isn't that the point of the Free trial? To get NEW players?  Next, it does not matter if one is a MMORPG vet, newbie, or inbetween because not all MMORPGs are the same when it comes to what one needs to do to sign up, enter the CD Key, create a new character, and play. The EVE game DEVs need to assume everyone buying their game is NOT a MMORPG vet.

  I don't see what's so hard about getting this game up but you make it sound like a nightmare, it's very simple. You install the game, update it if you have to (like you do with any other game in the entire world), create an account (like you ALWAYS do with MMOGs), and then begin to play. It's not really difficult, not even for a new player, let alone a 'MMOG vet'.

    After the game installs, it does not automatically download the patches. A message appears saying "Incompatable." Then one must on their own assume it is because they must hunt around the installer for a link to download the current patches. The CD Key is not entered on the installer which other MMORPGs do have. One must go to the EVE official site and do this. The installer does not say it, one must find out on their own. And again, what about buyers of EVE who are NOT MMORPG vets? Or even vets who have not purchased a new MMORPG in years? Which is smarter marketing - assuming everyone buying EVE are all new players, and posting step by step instructions on the first screen that appears on the installer? Or assuming everyone buying EVE are MMORPG vets and not posting step by step instructions?!?

  Now, what is this you're saying, SWG has a better face customization? What are you talking about?? EVE has the best face customization I've ever seen! Yes that's the only thing it has but it's damn good at it, haha. You might say SWG has an overall better customization engine because you can change the whole body or what not, but regarding face customization, it definitely DOES NOT beat EVE.

    Nope. Everything in EVE you can do to the face you can do in SWG. The different jawlines, the gradual changes in eyebrows, eyes, eye color, facial expressions, forehead size, nose, etc... etc... That is why I say EVE is a very, close second place to SWG in face customization, and in a few ways matches and is even better than SWG (like how EVE allows some facial features to be slightly exaggerated... 1 eyeball noticeably larger than the other, 1 eyebrow noticeably higher.). Overall SWG's facial customizations match EVE's and is slightly better. Either way though, BOTH games have the best ever character customization out of every single MMORPG made, and planned to be made!

  Also you got the whole species thing wrong. There are four races (Caldari, Minmatar, Gallente and Amarr) and every race has two bloodlines (I'm not going to name all of them but for example Caldari has the bloodlines 'Civire' and 'Deiteis'.. actually I'm not sure on the spelling of that second one but you get the idea). So that's 8 different choices regarding sub choices, the race/bloodline, or 'species' as you call it. You can however also choose male and female so yes there's 16 choices in all.

    It looks like we are in full agreement.  Subspecies, bloodlines.... same thing heheh.

  I don't know what's so special about the AO camera control, I've tried AO myself for about 8 months (starting at release) and the camera isn't that special, you can rotate and zoom.. EVE is about the same except you do it with the mouse which is much smoother and nicer; I havn't been in AO for a while they may have moved it from the numberpad to the mouse now? I don't know..

    In AO if you go to the options menu, you can customize the camera controls. Make it mouse controlled, or use keys on the keyboard (not just the number pad.) You can scroll out, in, and view your character at every single angle. Scroll out sooo much you are a tiny dot/ant on the planet. The reason why AO's camera controls are slightly better than EVE's camera controls is that in AO you can zoom out much, much, further, until your character is almost the size of a pixel. Then zoom back in as if you are using uber-powered binoculars.

  Don't get too cocky with your rookie ship. Those must have been really, really easy pirates.

  With all due respect this seems more like a summary of what your experiences were rather than a proper review, I'd wait until you know more about the game before you begin to write a review.. Anyway good luck.

    Well, like I said, this will be a step by step review of my experiences in EVE. Being updated regularly as I experience this game and play it for the first time.  Experiences are what make up a review. I decided to post as and while I experience the game, instead of waiting weeks or months later, because I wanted greater detail in my review.

   Thanks for the advice on my newbie ship. I'll still push it just for the heck of it heheh. But it was NICE seeing I was not a super-weaking (like starting out in EQ, or AC for examples.)

  
  

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• tck_tokyo Member Posts: 125

  July 2004

  You say it has nothing to do with it, but at the same time you claim that you yourself are a veteran and that you yourself had a tough time understanding very elementery MMOG concepts.

  Ok so are you saying that the big deal is that you have to go to the website to setup an account? Firstly I'm quite sure that there's a link that takes you to an account creator on the client anyway, but obviously you could quite quickly figure out where to do so on the website. And what is this you're saying about having to do specific things in orders? It doesnt matter ONE BIT when you install the game and when you get the account, you can do that in any order. And also what is this about different ways of different ways of creating characters in different ways? Every single MMOG I've played (this includes AO, AC2, EnB, SWG, PS, EVE and a few others) has always been that you install the game at some point in time, get an account through various methods at one point in time (always inside the installer or at the website, or a hybrid link between those two), and then you log in and create a character. It sounds like you're having more trouble understanding this than people completely new to the genre have.

  Also for the people which you're suggesting have so many issues with this (which I've never heard of) might get a benefit from actually reading that setup part of the manual which tells you how to get started. You know that one that no one ever reads because it's so basic?

  56k is not very fast, and with all due respect it's the center of all internet connection jokes. You should consider switching internet connection to some broadband, cable, DSL, T1 or similar connection, they are highly reccomended for MMOGs, and if any downloads took very long it is quite surely because of that connection you have, not because there is anything wrong with their DL servers.

  You don't know if Iceland or Britain is closer to you?

  Of course the client tells you that you have an incompatible version, since you just installed the game there's obviously going to be patches that came out after the build which you have, and obviously you need to enter your account information and enter to inform the client and the server that you are a member, that wants to log on but has an incompatible version, from there it downloads the patches for you swiftly. I dealt with the very same thing in AO (the first MMOG that I've ever played) back when I didn't even understand what the terms MMOG and MMORPG meant, and I didn't have any trouble understanding that I had to download multiple patches to play, and just like EVE does now, AO required that you logged in then. From there it autoupdates for you.

  As I recall SWG doesn't have all the same choices at all but, I'll let you off on that one with the 'everyone is entitled to their own opinion' thing, although I think that has nothing to do with this factor. I'd ask that you atleast explain why it's slightly better than just repeating yourself however. You say it's slightly better but I don't see any feasable reasons.

  Hehe, buddy you have no idea what you're talking about comparing the EVE and AO camera, have you ever actually zoomed out with the EVE camera? Are you aware that you can zoom out so far that you're not even the size of a pixel anymore? Guess not.

  Fine, if you want to do a write as you go review that's fine, but I think the title for this forum thread is misleading and inappropriate in that sense.

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• Unknown

  July 2004

  
  

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  Originally posted by tck_tokyo

  You say it has nothing to do with it, but at the same time you claim that you yourself are a veteran and that you yourself had a tough time understanding very elementery MMOG concepts.

    I posted my MMORPG experience to give the readers a better idea where I'm coming from. EVE is actually my first ever space-only MMORPG. I never labled myself a "MMORPG veteran". No one really can be one, because there are soo many different kinds. An experienced MMORPG player? Sure. An experienced gamer? Sure. So I am a 100% EVE newbie. Just like anyother EVE newbie playing for their first time.

  Also for the people which you're suggesting have so many issues with this (which I've never heard of) might get a benefit from actually reading that setup part of the manual which tells you how to get started. You know that one that no one ever reads because it's so basic?

    I agree most never read it, or read very little of it.  It is the nature of gamers. Who reads the License Agreement? The Code of Conduct? The Patch Descriptions?

   The link here at MMORPG.com to DL the EVE free trial goes straight to the Installer program. It is then up to the newbie player to figure out why the installer says "INCOMPATABLE". To figure out why the installer will not let them create a character (they have to open a new window and goto the EVE main site on the internet, open a new account, type in the CD Key code there, then come back to the installer program.)

   Perhaps the moderators here at MMORPG.com should re-direct their EVE free trial URL to point to the EVE main website instead of the installer program?

   There is not a single MMORPG out that gives the message "INCOMPATABLE" just because the patches are not downloaded. The ONLY times OTHER mmorpgs give a message like "INCOMPATABLE" is when ones computer hardware actually IS incompatable aka they cannot play the game aka time to uninstall it and upgrade.

  56k is not very fast, and with all due respect it's the center of all internet connection jokes. You should consider switching internet connection to some broadband, cable, DSL, T1 or similar connection, they are highly reccomended for MMOGs, and if any downloads took very long it is quite surely because of that connection you have, not because there is anything wrong with their DL servers.

    Here is something that rips apart all those "internet jokes". It does not matter if one is a multi-millionaire, they can find theirselves STUCK using 56k connection. The game DEVs at SWG, EQ, and EQ2, and DAoC, all went over this exact same subject before releasing their games. The hardcore fact is... in the majority of countries around the world, 56k connection is the only thing available in most residential locations. Many European countries lead the world with faster internet access because their goverments are heavily investing in inferstructure. Their goverments are on purpose lying down the lines for Fiber Optic connections, setting up new towers for T!, Cable, T2. T3, connections.

   In America, the majority of residential areas are stuck using 56k connection. The people, no matter how rich they are, have no choice but to use 56k connection.

   I personally play EVE at home (56k connection), at 1 job with a dedicated T1 line, and at another job with a dedicated Fiber Optic connection. (Though I play it at home the most.) EVE works well at all 3 types of connections. I have no issue with the gameplay while using a 56k connection. I simply mentioned that on a 56k connection, there is a bit of lag, but the game is still playable, and enjoyable.

  You don't know if Iceland or Britain is closer to you?

    Nope! Check out the history of Iceland and Greenland.

  Of course the client tells you that you have an incompatible version, since you just installed the game there's obviously going to be patches that came out after the build which you have,

    In other MMORPGs, when you get that message it means your computer cannot run the game because of outdated hardware. (Like trying to use a GeForce 2, LOL.)

    Also, other MMORPGs will give that message (or a simular one) and then list WHY. "Incompatable because you do not have direct X 9.0 on your computer" etc... EVE gives the message, without telling why, without even auto-downloading the game patches.

   I'd ask that you atleast explain why it's slightly better than just repeating yourself however. You say it's slightly better but I don't see any feasable reasons.

    An example of how the SWG character customization is slightly better than EVE is this:

   One cannot manipulate the character customizer in EVE to make a character that is obviously Asian. My friend and I tried for 2 hours straight. We managed to get Asian-esque cheekbones, a decent mouth, nose, and forehead, but not even close with the eyes. In SWG it takes 2 mins to run through the pallet of every single concievable type of human facial feature from say... a Zulu, to a Nordic, to an Asian, to an Indian, and everything inbetween.

  Hehe, buddy you have no idea what you're talking about comparing the EVE and AO camera, have you ever actually zoomed out with the EVE camera? Are you aware that you can zoom out so far that you're not even the size of a pixel anymore? Guess not.

    AO has the same zoom in, zoom out feature.

  Fine, if you want to do a write as you go review that's fine, but I think the title for this forum thread is misleading and inappropriate in that sense.

     Well, I did make sure to further explain my intentions at the start of my first post.

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• tck_tokyo Member Posts: 125

  July 2004

  Man you're really impossible, how do you come up with all of these arguments? Some of them don't even make much sense. I wish someone else would read this post and add their two pennies.

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  Originally posted by tck_tokyo
  
  Man you're really impossible, how do you come up with all of these arguments? Some of them don't even make much sense. I wish someone else would read this post and add their two pennies.
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   Heheh LOL! Relax, I AM on your side in the long run! I am liking EVE Online. So is my friend who I got hooked into EVE from watching me while I played.

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• tck_tokyo Member Posts: 125

  July 2004

  How are you not even annoyed with me yet? You really know how to keep your cool don't you.

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• RotAnimal Member Posts: 70

  July 2004

  
  

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  Originally posted by tck_tokyo
  
  How are you not even annoyed with me yet? You really know how to keep your cool don't you.
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  LOL I was just thinking the same thing. You were quite rude to the poor guy  He was just trying to write about his experience in EVE and you shot him to peaces

  I liked your article btw. It's fun to see EVE through the eyes of the n00b (no offence we were all n00bs once)

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• PhoenixOmega Member Posts: 1

  July 2004

  Thanks for sharing your experiences xplororor! I just finished the SWG and quite enjoyed it. I downloaded the AO trial and cancelled the same evening(running in 1280x1024 it still looked like utter crap, plus horrid GUI). So tonight im trying EVE w00t! Hope to see ya on!

  Tokyo please leave him alone. I enjoyed his anecdote and he wasn't directing a personal attack or anything.

  Again, thx for the report!
• Automan Member Posts: 34

  August 2004

  great review ! it's important to let the ppl know how the game is from the fresh and true newbies point of view . i think most ppl read and suck up that information  rather then the "eve suck vs eve is the roxorz"

  and as i expected it didnt take long before some low ego had to complain and give you the "holier then thou" attitude .

  thank you

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• beheader Member Posts: 25

  August 2004

  I love EVE... it's my primary (and sometimes only) game.

  While I appreciate the effort put into the review, and I thought it was a good review, can I suggest when writing something that large that you consider using an editor? Someone to pair things down a bit and make them more concise.

  It *was* a really good review. Just some thoughts. It seemed to go on forever.

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• tck_tokyo Member Posts: 125

  August 2004

  I don't understand why I'm the only one that doesn't see any sense in arguments like these:

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  Xplorer: "The reason why AO's camera controls are slightly better than EVE's camera controls is that in AO you can zoom out much, much, further, until your character is almost the size of a pixel. Then zoom back in as if you are using uber-powered binoculars."

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  See that makes no sense. In EVE you can zoom out so far that you can make an entire ship look like it's not even a pixel anymore.

  I'm not trying to be mean to this guy, but this thread isn't doing justice to the game because it's founded on too many opinions that are completely unsupported. Why does no one else see this?? Arguments like that one up there are scattered all over the first few posts.

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  I love rain, the color gray, and small apartments.
  I hate CS, the term n00b and this thing --> ^^
  But that's just me.

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  I love rain, the color gray, and small apartments.
  I hate CS, the term n00b and this thing --> ^^
  But that's just me.
• Zipeh Member Posts: 265

  August 2004

  i'll back you up on that.  tck_tokyo

  its not bashing when someone states a fact that is incorect and is then corrected. 

  

  
• tck_tokyo Member Posts: 125

  August 2004

  
  

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  Originally posted by Zipeh
  
  i'll back you up on that.  tck_tokyo
  its not bashing when someone states a fact that is incorect and is then corrected. 
  
  
  

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  Finally the cavalry comes.. Thank you.
  

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  I love rain, the color gray, and small apartments.
  I hate CS, the term n00b and this thing --> ^^
  But that's just me.

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  I love rain, the color gray, and small apartments.
  I hate CS, the term n00b and this thing --> ^^
  But that's just me.
• tarentinos Member Posts: 7

  August 2004

  Yeah, that comment about the camera is totally unfounded. I just finished the EVE trial and started the AO--AO was cancelled the next day BTW--the camera is definately has the same zoom/pan options as AO if not better.
• Unknown

  August 2004

    OK, I .... am.... back!

   I see my thread has been kept alive without me LOL!

   First onward with the rest of my review  and experiences in EvE online.  I believe I left off at making 11 points.......... so........

   

    12. I soon found out the newbie Tutorial is VERY long. There are many missions. IMHO the first 5 or so are the most important. After that I found out some of the other space stations had agents who would deal with me. A few gave me missions that there was no way I could complete. (One required a ship that had a cargo hold of 1,200 space for the merchandise from the Agent, and my newbie ship has roughly 330 space lol.) I don't mind being elegible for Agent missions I really have zero chance of doing. Adds to the fun. Since EvE allows players to make 3 characters on the same account, if I were making a 2nd or 3rd character, I could probably "twink" the new character to be able to do higher level Agent missions that my 1st character has no chance of compleating.

    After my 8th Agent mission from my home spacestation, I spaced getting missions strictly from there with getting harder missions from other stations. From the few other new Agents I was newly elegible to get missions from. I quickly made 100,000 ISK (the ingame name for the ingame currentcy) in a few hours.

    13. I VERY MUCH ENJOYED seeing the many, many, various NPC ships, and player ships. I even saw a type of player controled BATTLESHIP!!!

  http://community.webshots.com/album/164718857menHcR/4

  http://community.webshots.com/photo/164718857/172315697UMrHzC

  http://community.webshots.com/photo/164718857/172315713Vrgynk

  http://community.webshots.com/photo/164718857/172315731Jhufew

  Yep, took many screenshots too!  I also VERY, VERY, MUCH ENJOYED seeing the many, many, different and various types of space stations. It look like a LOT OF WORK went into designing them! Screenshots of some of them I took:

  http://community.webshots.com/album/172332604bqSZfd

   14. I took TONS of screenshots. The graphics in EVE are S-T-U-N-N-I-N-G!  Nothing like seeing a new type of ship for the first time! Or a new type of spacestation for the first time!! Or even unusual heavenly bodies - like 2 moons that are side by side. Like in the recent movie Kirana: The Prophetcey. (Yeah it was 2 planets side by side.)

    For some strange reason, after I uploaded my screenshots online, ALL of the background graphics decayed.  So in all my screenshots the background graphics look far worse than how it actually looks in game! The ship graphics did not decay though. Some of the planet graphics did decay. The coloring, texture, etc... of the background decayed big time.  I will have to experiment and look into why this decay happened after I uploaded the screenshots.

    15. My friend created his own character on my free trial account. He ended up playing and using up half of my free trial time LOL!!! I watched him play a few times. He even spent 15 hours of one day playing EvE non-stop! LOL! He likes EvE even more than I do! He is a HUGE fan of Freelancer. I also liked Freelancer too. (Freelancer is basically a modern RPG stand alone version of EvE Online.)

  http://community.webshots.com/album/67830366KKxKMf

  So I did not get to get as far into EvE as I could have if I was the only one playing my account. We talked a lot about EvE, and 1 other friend of ours said he did try it when it first came out, but he no longer plays.

   I personally found I truly enjoyed EvE, playing it, the incredibly REALISTIC spaceship movements, and traveling. There is a famous player made and run MMORPG called Star Wars Combine. It probably has the LONGEST TRAVEL TIME out of every MMORPG made. Traveling to other solar systems can take Real Life WEEKS! I am talking 1 week, 2 weeks, sometimes almost an entire real life month! LOL! The galaxy in SWC is easily as big as the galaxy in EvE. With as many stars, planets, etc... SWC is more of a text based MMORPG though. So EvE has no worries about direct competition from SWC.  Many complain about the ship travel times in EvE. I enjoyed it. Especially since I used to play SWC a lot and am used to even longer ship travel times than what EvE has heheh.

   If anyone feels bored while their ship is making 5 jumps, 12 jumps, etc... simply press ESC, in the Options pick Windowed mode. You will be able to go back and forth between EvE and other windows. Minimize EvE, while you do your regular websurfing. Or if your screen is big enough, shrink a window a bit, and do your regular surfing while at the same time watching your ship travel in another window. Most MMORPGs require player participation 100%. With EvE, certain parts of the game can be played and done with 20% participation - like traveling between star systems - expecially the very long trips. The longest trip I made took my newbie ship 20 mins. If was roughly 1/5 of the distance across the entire EVE galaxy.

    16. My friend has created a new EVE account, and is "paying me back" by letting me create a character on his free trial account. My goal now is to engage in some PvP just to see how it feels, and what it is like.  I intend to subscribe to EvE 1 month from now when I hope to have more free time to play. I'll probably use a gamecard from the local GameStop computer store.

    17. EvE does an EXCELLENT job making one feel totally immersed enough to feel like they really are in space. Like they are experiencing space travel. What it is like to dock and undock from a spacestation. How a spaceship moves in space. I was even able to fly my ship  "upside down". I put that in quotes because in space there is no up or down. Many space games have it as if all spaceships operate like ships in the ocean. With an x axis, and z axis. Unable to go "upside down" or approach another ship from absolutly any angle.

   My friend also got a kick out of the fact EvE measures speed in AU. He told me it is a Real Life term, and speed measurement. Aka Astronomical Units. 1 AU is the distance from the Earth to the Sun. So a ship flying 1 AU is going extreemly fast. 20 AU's means the ship can travel the distance from the Earth to the Sun 20 times. He very likely will also subscribe to EvE. Probably in 1 to 2 months from now. He has the same issue as me - making enough free time to play.

   My updated EvE screenshots!

  http://community.webshots.com/user/sica_xol_archives01

  
  

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• Zipeh Member Posts: 265

  August 2004

  nice post m8, and glad you like what you like and can talk about what you dont like without sounding like your whinning. 

  to mention about the agent missions, if you accept a mission and fail to do it .. you do lose standing with the agent and his corp.  secoundly you can make multiple trips with you ship, 4 i beleive it would take.  but when the agents start asking you to move things that take more than 1 trip, i would begin to look at buying a bigger ship, and / or, getting mechanics skill and installing some cargo expanders (which will increase cargo but decrease speed), and / or using secure containers .. which slight increase cargo capacity as well.

   

  

  
• Anakhahawk Member Posts: 24

  August 2004

  Good stuff Xplororor.  

  Happy to see you are enjoying the game so much and keep up the excellent work

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• Anakhahawk Member Posts: 24

  August 2004

  Just a few tips for your screenies ......

  In game hit "escape" and go to "graphics" tab and turn off "Widescreen" (Knocks off the ugly black borders top and bottom)

  Secondly you can clear the screen (Hud/Scanner/Chat Boxes/Side nav bar etc) by holding "CTRL" and hitting "F9" (Repeat to bring back to normal) NB Only works outside station.

  Hope you can get some even better pics with this method

  Have fun.

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• Xira Member Posts: 437

  August 2004

  You neglected to mention the 100% all-the-time-all-the-where PvP.
• Zipeh Member Posts: 265

  August 2004

  
  

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  Originally posted by Xira
  You neglected to mention the 100% all-the-time-all-the-where PvP.
  
  

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  not true... pvp combat all the time in non empire, low security space.  Not so in empire space .. where pvp agression will have you flying a pod faster than you can say "omg i have just been pwnd by Concord".   empire is safe for carebears like me to go about our business.
  

  

  
• Catastrofik Member Posts: 43

  August 2004

  Amen to that. I'm a n00b that's been bumming around for about a month and haven't been podded once by a player. So the 100% PvP, nope, nope, nope...well, unless you want Concord to pod you in return, not many people are willing to loose their ships that way.

  
• Unknown

  August 2004

  
  

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  Originally posted by Anakhahawk
  
  Just a few tips for your screenies ......
  In game hit "escape" and go to "graphics" tab and turn off "Widescreen" (Knocks off the ugly black borders top and bottom)
  Secondly you can clear the screen (Hud/Scanner/Chat Boxes/Side nav bar etc) by holding "CTRL" and hitting "F9" (Repeat to bring back to normal) NB Only works outside station.
  Hope you can get some even better pics with this method
  Have fun.
  
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  Anakhahawk,

  Thanks very much for the advice on taking better screenshots. I'll try it during the next 2 weeks.

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  How dare OrionStar bump my thread off page 1, with his "My Opinion" thread that has nothing in it!

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