How is AoC anywhere close to being a WoW clone? I don't see a grind fest, I see a game where you don't HAVE to item grind to be successful.
Ah.. the end game is raiding... I was hoping this game wouldn't be like that. I don't have the time to spend 4+ hours of unfun in hopes to get an item. I wouldn't do that even if I could. Really doesn't make sense to make a game for 'grown-ups' and have that garbage.
No the end game is not raiding. Raiding is an option, but the end game is conquest PvP, something along the lines of EVE, DAOC and Lineage
But you missed the point. If it is a PVP centric game then you realize that everyone wants that edge. Guilds will force you to raid to get the better gear and weapons just to take up PVP to have that edge. It is not essentially an option but a forced raiding style because of the PVP. You think you won't see raiding be the prime element in this game to have a better edge on other players? I see this game as nothing more then raiding to become powerful.
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Originally posted by huxflux2004
Originally posted by Battlekruse
Originally posted by spbrooke
How is AoC anywhere close to being a WoW clone? I don't see a grind fest, I see a game where you don't HAVE to item grind to be successful.
Ah.. the end game is raiding... I was hoping this game wouldn't be like that. I don't have the time to spend 4+ hours of unfun in hopes to get an item. I wouldn't do that even if I could. Really doesn't make sense to make a game for 'grown-ups' and have that garbage.
No the end game is not raiding. Raiding is an option, but the end game is conquest PvP, something along the lines of EVE, DAOC and Lineage
quite right Huxflux,
Just because AoC offers 'Raiding' in a very detailed way, from the looks of it, most people presume that this is the end game content be all and end all. Goto repeat myself here, raided items will not neccessarily give the best choice of item say in PvP, raided items have stats on them that are usefull for that area. Raiding is there for people who like the big bosses, exploring dungeons and new area's of the game etc.
They say the game is pretty fast to level in.
You have a sandbox type environment with your PvE and PvP cities. With only 9 PvP Keeps per server competition will be high forsure.
Your PvE city I believe has a status rank to it, and in turn how well your PvE city is has a direct correlation to your PvP city - supplies, fortification etc. If your into the high end and your guilded you will want to keep your PvE city ticking over nicely to help out your PvP city (battlekeep). For those not into the whole massive guild thing then there are lots of options to PvP. As a mercenary for example, fame on that level, or in the Border Kingdom which is Open and Not an instance, like to PvP get yourself on a PvP server where its Open PvP everywhere apart from hubs.
The game has, and will offer more support to develop your character thru the continuing storyline after you reach max PvE level.
Crafting comes into play alot in some of the things mentioned above too. Dropped items cannot be improved upon, crafted items like weapons or armor can have up to four sockets attached to them for improvement and can be the best made items for PvP too. Train different area's which are done thru quests and aren't experience based. Seperate crafting villages for you to merchant your high level goods, to train new disciplines etc.
Raiding is there for those that like that sort of thing too.
Lets not forget the game is 185 square miles of content too, if you love to explore there are massive area's that are very atmospheric to seek out.
For those wanting the ultimate fame, team up with some friends, make some cities yourself (all crafted) protect them, build them up, draw up tactical plans for defence and keep an eye on your foes. Totally against other humans and not NPC's. Pretty much every large scale fight will be different each time.
Like to RP? then join the RP server, role play your character, evolve it thru the 'Destiny Quests', do all of the above in character if you like with like minded people.
i asked the raid dev - "Do I have to do all this stuff to get the best gear, to get "kitted" up so I know I can have the best attire in the border kingdoms?" Short Answer - "No you dont" you can make better gear/weapons etc as a crafter to suit your needs. If your a tank and you like to PvP you can make armor with the extra slots to assist you better at tanking, eg stats against crushing or magical resistance - like if you was front line protecting your 'Keep'
I myself and worried that this will turn into a gear elitist guild grind fest....and again with the class system...sorry graphics arent enough to reel me in, i dont think ill be there on launch day. Had alot of hope but after watching those 4 vids....falling out of favor...oh well will wait for Spellborn and WAR.....maybe maybe Aion but it asian...so i know its a grind....oh well.
Actually I am feeling more encouraged about the game after browsing these forums, watching the vids, and checking out the links. I was a bit skeptical of the combat system at first but I think it might just work. We shall see when it goes live...
"FAIL, AoC is nothing more than a level based grind fest in a different skin, not to mention gear is the new MMO clone from WoW as well. So, yes, FAIL."
Uhm, I don't think you know how AoC is, I think you just posted that because your a fcking WoW fan!
A clone from WoW? You must be one of those who think WoW is the one and only(first) MMO. WoW is a clone from a lot of other MMO's, thats a fact. But Funcom has taken big steps to make their game unique, and they succeeded! So from now on, before you post things like that, check out how games are.
And endgame: Well, you got player cities. You have to have some level 60's to build one and it costs a lot of resources, so thats endgame.
So you got: Player cities, raiding, and PvP as endgame
And about gear: You won't have to go into an instance to get good gear. A lot of crafted gear is better than dungeone gears.
And just because people 'are used to' WoW's combat system (took WoW as an example) doesn't mean AoC's combat system have to fail. Then you guys are dull, and just don't want to learn new stuff. I am used to WoW's combat system, but still I am very eager to learn AoC's system.
So AoC, WON'T FAIL! I wonder why its so much discussion about this, just because the developers were tired of the same system in EVERY MMO. You people should be happy someone actually comes with something new!
So AoC, WON'T FAIL! I wonder why its so much discussion about this, just because the developers were tired of the same system in EVERY MMO. You people should be happy someone actually comes with something new!
Whoa.. hook, line and sinker.. Funcom really knows how to bullshit the audience.
So AoC, WON'T FAIL! I wonder why its so much discussion about this, just because the developers were tired of the same system in EVERY MMO. You people should be happy someone actually comes with something new!
Whoa.. hook, line and sinker.. Funcom really knows how to bullshit the audience.
That doesn't come from Funcom. Thats my opinion of the game. You can see on every AoC vids that its something new.
This forum should be named: MMORPG for defeatists! Why are almost everyone here so fucking negative about new things.
They say the game is pretty fast to level in. You have a sandbox type environment with your PvE and PvP cities. With only 9 PvP Keeps per server competition will be high forsure. Raiding is there for those that like that sort of thing too.
Leveling fast, is a good thing ?
Also, I'd like your definition of an sandbox environment because what I understand, AoC ain't it.
--- And when we got more women on the team, it was like No, no, no. We need puppies and horses in there. John Smedley, SOE
I doubt AoC will fail couse I am an AoC fanboy and i belive blindly that everything will be ok in the end.
I am a little bit worried with all the cool features that are lately being removed from the game, but even so the game looks great.
I am also worried about some beta leaks that are kinda doomsday (I did not mention anything in particular).
I also believe that one more delay of this game will piss me off, and i will wait another month for WAR and forget about AoC completely.
But i believe Funcom will release AoC on time. Maybe even a somewhat buggy game, and fix them in patches, maybe even add the canceled content like formations and hell.
So AoC, WON'T FAIL! I wonder why its so much discussion about this, just because the developers were tired of the same system in EVERY MMO. You people should be happy someone actually comes with something new!
Whoa.. hook, line and sinker.. Funcom really knows how to bullshit the audience.
That doesn't come from Funcom. Thats my opinion of the game. You can see on every AoC vids that its something new.
This forum should be named: MMORPG for defeatists! Why are almost everyone here so fucking negative about new things.
What you hear Funcom saying and see in vids they've published, and what the game is really like are two very different things. It's exactly like VG was, everyone in beta are waiting for the miracle patch to happen, only a few months before release. Of course there are things that no patch in the world could fix, like the tiny gameworld.
Well the new combat system isn't the only new thing in AoC, so you can't say it will fail because of that if you can't handle that kind of system. Funcom has taken A LOT of big steps in all categories:
-Player-owned cities -mounted combat -Siege combat -No-target combat -very special character creation & development
I'm sure I haven't said everything new now, but just these things makes AoC a very special game, and unlike Lotro, this game will last a long time because of all the new stuff. You know, WoW & Lotro took almost everything from other MMO's. No, to you who thinks WoW was the first MMO (I know many thinks that) its NOT, absolutely not the first MMO. Though it came out in a perfect time. When many new generations that had never played other MMO's grew up. So, I don't think it will fail at all
Well, seeing how the combat system is what the majority of players spend 95% of their time interacting with in an MMO, it DOES tend to be the central facet that, if not good, will spell doom for the game.
Also, I'm not sure what you're trying to get at with your "other features besides combat system" list that you have there above. Mounted combat and no-target combat are just parts of the same combat system others keep talking about (the one you say isn't the game's central feature). Also, I really don't know what you mean by "very special character creation & development". If by "very special" you mean "just like every other MMO" then yeah, I agree.
Lets put it this way. I spent years ignoring this game on my radar until about a couple months ago, when I finally went against my better judgement and bought into the hype. Now that I've had some...experience with AoC, I can confidently say that FunCom is great when it comes to big ideas, but pretty piss poor when it comes to execution.
I'll be knocked off my ass with surprise if this game's launch isn't a repeat of Anarchy Online.
well.. The game is already done. Its only polishing now.. And don't be worried about the beta leech..
The game won't be as buggy as the beta. everyone know that, so you can't relly on the beta. The game will be better than frustrated beta testers says. mostly because they don't know what beta testing is for. To test the game and report any glitch or bugs they find.
Well the new combat system isn't the only new thing in AoC, so you can't say it will fail because of that if you can't handle that kind of system. Funcom has taken A LOT of big steps in all categories:
-Player-owned cities -mounted combat -Siege combat -No-target combat -very special character creation & development
I'm sure I haven't said everything new now, but just these things makes AoC a very special game, and unlike Lotro, this game will last a long time because of all the new stuff. You know, WoW & Lotro took almost everything from other MMO's. No, to you who thinks WoW was the first MMO (I know many thinks that) its NOT, absolutely not the first MMO. Though it came out in a perfect time. When many new generations that had never played other MMO's grew up. So, I don't think it will fail at all
Well, seeing how the combat system is what the majority of players spend 95% of their time interacting with in an MMO, it DOES tend to be the central facet that, if not good, will spell doom for the game.
Also, I'm not sure what you're trying to get at with your "other features besides combat system" list that you have there above. Mounted combat and no-target combat are just parts of the same combat system others keep talking about (the one you say isn't the game's central feature). Also, I really don't know what you mean by "very special character creation & development". If by "very special" you mean "just like every other MMO" then yeah, I agree.
Lets put it this way. I spent years ignoring this game on my radar until about a couple months ago, when I finally went against my better judgement and bought into the hype. Now that I've had some...experience with AoC, I can confidently say that FunCom is great when it comes to big ideas, but pretty piss poor when it comes to execution.
I'll be knocked off my ass with surprise if this game's launch isn't a repeat of Anarchy Online.
well.. I never said that combat system isn't the game's central feature, I said that the game won't fail just because YOU can't handle the new system.
well.. The game is already done. Its only polishing now.. And don't be worried about the beta leech.. The game won't be as buggy as the beta. everyone know that, so you can't relly on the beta. The game will be better than frustrated beta testers says. mostly because they don't know what beta testing is for. To test the game and report any glitch or bugs they find.
Oh ok, look read here <Mod edit>, this guy has obviously played AoC beta way more than I have. He knows things I didn't even know were there, or should I say, are missing. You call that polishing?
for every unhappy kid that thinks beta is a free trial there are ten testers that know what it is. A test, and on tests there are bugs and errors, if there were no error/bugs then, testers were not needed. So almost all community I see on the beta tests forums is happy and think it will be great, bugs will be away thanks to the reports people is doing. I also been in other betas and none of this games got all bugs pulished before released, so is "stupid" (no offense) to talk about a test, like a finished game, there are ever angry guys that love be "doomsayers". Funcom is working hard, as I saw, so, if you want a finished game without bugs, go to the shop, buy one, or wait for the release of the game.
well.. The game is already done. Its only polishing now.. And don't be worried about the beta leech.. The game won't be as buggy as the beta. everyone know that, so you can't relly on the beta. The game will be better than frustrated beta testers says. mostly because they don't know what beta testing is for. To test the game and report any glitch or bugs they find.
Oh ok, look read here <Mod edit>, this guy has obviously played AoC beta way more than I have. He knows things I didn't even know were there, or should I say, are missing. You call that polishing?
for every unhappy kid that thinks beta is a free trial there are ten testers that know what it is. A test, and on tests there are bugs and errors, if there were no error/bugs then, testers were not needed. So almost all community I see on the beta tests forums is happy and think it will be great, bugs will be away thanks to the reports people is doing. I also been in other betas and none of this games got all bugs pulished before released, so is "stupid" (no offense) to talk about a test, like a finished game, there are ever angry guys that love be "doomsayers". Funcom is working hard, as I saw, so, if you want a finished game without bugs, go to the shop, buy one, or wait for the release of the game.
Did you actually bother to click that link? There are much more bigger issues than bugs in AoC, I'm not worried about bugs, all games have 'em. The really big problems with AoC are basic design flaws that no dev team in the world could fix in 3 months. Like I said, it's VG all over again.
So this look like Funcom is gonna pull another horrific launch like Anarchy Online but with AoC this time ? Not sure Funcom could survive another blow like this. My guess if the game is so full of bugs i feel another push back.
well.. The game is already done. Its only polishing now.. And don't be worried about the beta leech.. The game won't be as buggy as the beta. everyone know that, so you can't relly on the beta. The game will be better than frustrated beta testers says. mostly because they don't know what beta testing is for. To test the game and report any glitch or bugs they find.
Oh ok, look read here <Mod edit>, this guy has obviously played AoC beta way more than I have. He knows things I didn't even know were there, or should I say, are missing. You call that polishing?
for every unhappy kid that thinks beta is a free trial there are ten testers that know what it is. A test, and on tests there are bugs and errors, if there were no error/bugs then, testers were not needed. So almost all community I see on the beta tests forums is happy and think it will be great, bugs will be away thanks to the reports people is doing. I also been in other betas and none of this games got all bugs pulished before released, so is "stupid" (no offense) to talk about a test, like a finished game, there are ever angry guys that love be "doomsayers". Funcom is working hard, as I saw, so, if you want a finished game without bugs, go to the shop, buy one, or wait for the release of the game.
Did you actually bother to click that link? There are much more bigger issues than bugs in AoC, I'm not worried about bugs, all games have 'em. The really big problems with AoC are basic design flaws that no dev team in the world could fix in 3 months. Like I said, it's VG all over again.
First of all, he is a NDA breaker, who can care about his word? Second, lot of things that he said are "past" enough, I cant believe that he can still saying "there are no females", "all the textures are the same". So this guy didnt test the game so far!! Third, I dont need to click the link (he already tried to post it here, and remember that put links of the game is an nda breaking! and the post can get deleted), I can see the other opinions in the official forums, all this angry boys have nothing to thrust on, why? just because LOT of what they say is false. Im not saying everybody is happy and everything is great, but this guy is just a basher, a troll, that tried with some nicks on this forums to put this info and get banned.
So if the rest of people is respecting the contract, lot of beta testers are happy but cant put out information, you are going to believe one that his first phrase is "funcom said that there are more than 100 banned account due to the break of nda"? he is angry and nothing else cause he is one of the banned .
Originally posted by judgebeo First of all, he is a NDA breaker, who can care about his word? Second, lot of things that he said are "past" enough, I cant believe that he can still saying "there are no females", "all the textures are the same". So this guy didnt test the game so far!! Third, I dont need to click the link (he already tried to post it here, and remember that put links of the game is an nda breaking! and the post can get deleted), I can see the other opinions in the official forums, all this angry boys have nothing to thrust on, why? just because LOT of what they say is false. Im not saying everybody is happy and everything is great, but this guy is just a basher, a troll, that tried with some nicks on this forums to put this info and get banned.
So if the rest of people is respecting the contract, lot of beta testers are happy but cant put out information, you are going to believe one that his first phrase is "funcom said that there are more than 100 banned account due to the break of nda"? he is angry and nothing else cause he is one of the banned .
He isnt banned, get your facts straight, he has been posting videos from open beta for a pair of weeks already and seems to be quite careful while doing the footage. And who cares about his word? Everyone who wants to pay for quality instead of paying for hype or an IP.
First of all, he is a NDA breaker, who can care about his word? Well, so am I and I can confirm most of the things he wrote there, whether you believe him or me is your choice of course but like with any info find in the web, you should confirm it from elsewhere. So search it. So you can confimr the lies? or its because you WANT TO believe him? bah... perhaps you are this fox with another nick... he still doing this all the time trying to bashing the game lol Second, lot of things that he said are "past" enough, I cant believe that he can still saying "there are no females", "all the textures are the same". So this guy didnt test the game so far!! He actually updated that just today if you bother to read his next post, I haven't played for days, game's just too boring atm. Just updated with what? played for days... yay... think you were never in or you are? aaah if you are you can go and read everyone posts, why are you reading about this guy out of the beta forum? lol Third, I dont need to click the link (he already tried to post it here, and remember that put links of the game is an nda breaking! and the post can get deleted), I can see the other opinions in the official forums, all this angry boys have nothing to thrust on, why? just because LOT of what they say is false. Im not saying everybody is happy and everything is great, but this guy is just a basher, a troll, that tried with some nicks on this forums to put this info and get banned. So far I haven't found one single thing in his posts that isn't true. You found that there are not females, and all the spell system he is talking about? you sure you were on conan test? So if the rest of people is respecting the contract, lot of beta testers are happy but cant put out information, you are going to believe one that his first phrase is "funcom said that there are more than 100 banned account due to the break of nda"? he is angry and nothing else cause he is one of the banned . LOL, Funcom hasn't banned anyone, not that I know of anyway, they're already short on willing testers.If you can use the basic search tools, you'll find dozens of beta posts. Ah you know the people who funcom said that they were banned, name, surname, and you asked them, yes? surely are your school friends of this guys... how can you that funcom didnt banned no one? did you find it on google? searching... "funcom didnt banned none" lol What I have to search on the internet? angry banned people will not recognize it, just will bash the game. for me (and no offense please) you still being a troll that "wants to believe" (cause is your option) something that is obiously out of arguments AND if it were thruth (that it isnt) its still being... A BETA!! where devs TEST THINGS and its not the final game... I will not loose more time trying to explain THIS or something else to someone that just one to bash a game, that post links of NDA breakers to troll a game (aoc or whatever). If I said something its because I cant hold people that do this; just say things, truth or not, to get what they want, and tries to convince other people that it is true. If the game sucks, be sure I will not pay for it, but go and bashing the game? no no no better than this, go and bashing a beta breaking the nda? the same people that break nda says that funcom are all liers? Go on all forums bashing games, cause you dont like them, you can imagine some bugs and put them out, you can say... bah... who can cares what you say... People can play and test for themselves.
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Originally posted by Ephimero
Originally posted by judgebeo First of all, he is a NDA breaker, who can care about his word? Second, lot of things that he said are "past" enough, I cant believe that he can still saying "there are no females", "all the textures are the same". So this guy didnt test the game so far!! Third, I dont need to click the link (he already tried to post it here, and remember that put links of the game is an nda breaking! and the post can get deleted), I can see the other opinions in the official forums, all this angry boys have nothing to thrust on, why? just because LOT of what they say is false. Im not saying everybody is happy and everything is great, but this guy is just a basher, a troll, that tried with some nicks on this forums to put this info and get banned.
So if the rest of people is respecting the contract, lot of beta testers are happy but cant put out information, you are going to believe one that his first phrase is "funcom said that there are more than 100 banned account due to the break of nda"? he is angry and nothing else cause he is one of the banned .
He isnt banned, get your facts straight, he has been posting videos from open beta for a pair of weeks already and seems to be quite careful while doing the footage. And who cares about his word? Everyone who wants to pay for quality instead of paying for hype or an IP.
Look, I have any interest in make a game or whatever, bigger or better, I have no interest in pay for something I dont like, and If I dont like aoc I will not pay for it. Just take a look that I didnt say it is great, or everything is perfect, I never said that I wil buy it or play it... but you cant hold the word of a guy that breaks the nda as he is doing this for you. If he is a respetable person, will wait till there is a free beta, or till the game is launched, and then, you can go the news, you can read players opinions and then, you dont have to pay for a hyped gamed. Or you need to judge a beta state to know what real quality it got? perhaps the tests got a big differente after the "next weekend patch" and all the bugs are out cause they are just getting what to work on? did you think about this? noone says you MUST buy the game the first day, noone says you must pay for it till you get REAL information. What Im saying is that he isnt telling real information, or, its at least not all the thruth. Now, you can wait, judge by yourself, or believe the word of an nda breaker, just remember that you is who is playing, not him, and just remember that you is who is paying.
Look, I have any interest in make a game or whatever, bigger or better, I have no interest in pay for something I dont like, and If I dont like aoc I will not pay for it. Just take a look that I didnt say it is great, or everything is perfect, I never said that I wil buy it or play it... but you cant hold the word of a guy that breaks the nda as he is doing this for you. If he is a respetable person, will wait till there is a free beta, or till the game is launched, and then, you can go the news, you can read players opinions and then, you dont have to pay for a hyped gamed. Or you need to judge a beta state to know what real quality it got? perhaps the tests got a big differente after the "next weekend patch" and all the bugs are out cause they are just getting what to work on? did you think about this? noone says you MUST buy the game the first day, noone says you must pay for it till you get REAL information. What Im saying is that he isnt telling real information, or, its at least not all the thruth. Now, you can wait, judge by yourself, or believe the word of an nda breaker, just remember that you is who is playing, not him, and just remember that you is who is paying.
A guy might tell you a wolf is coming and you will call him liar, even say wolves are extinct in order to strenghten your argument, now, when 5 guys tell you a wolf is coming, you start thinking about the possibility. I need to read a decent report from a NDA breaker pointing at possitive things instead of a "im breaking NDA to tell you the game is really funny" or "funcom promises this".
Now don't tell me they shared the few beta accounts they gave out in the anticonan.com site.
Also, I never said that guy is convincing me not to play, but calling him liar for giving us info isn't fair in my eyes.
Look, I have any interest in make a game or whatever, bigger or better, I have no interest in pay for something I dont like, and If I dont like aoc I will not pay for it. Just take a look that I didnt say it is great, or everything is perfect, I never said that I wil buy it or play it... but you cant hold the word of a guy that breaks the nda as he is doing this for you. If he is a respetable person, will wait till there is a free beta, or till the game is launched, and then, you can go the news, you can read players opinions and then, you dont have to pay for a hyped gamed. Or you need to judge a beta state to know what real quality it got? perhaps the tests got a big differente after the "next weekend patch" and all the bugs are out cause they are just getting what to work on? did you think about this? noone says you MUST buy the game the first day, noone says you must pay for it till you get REAL information. What Im saying is that he isnt telling real information, or, its at least not all the thruth. Now, you can wait, judge by yourself, or believe the word of an nda breaker, just remember that you is who is playing, not him, and just remember that you is who is paying.
A guy might tell you a wolf is coming and you will call him liar, even say wolves are extinct in order to strenghten your argument, now, when 5 guys tell you a wolf is coming, you start thinking about the possibility. I need to read a decent report from a NDA breaker pointing at possitive things instead of a "im breaking NDA to tell you the game is really funny" or "funcom promises this".
Now don't tell me they shared the few beta accounts they gave out in the anticonan.com site.
Also, I never said that guy is convincing me not to play, but calling him liar for giving us info isn't fair in my eyes.
I dont need need to believe him cause I can see it with my eyes, is the only thing Im saying.
Look, I have any interest in make a game or whatever, bigger or better, I have no interest in pay for something I dont like, and If I dont like aoc I will not pay for it. Just take a look that I didnt say it is great, or everything is perfect, I never said that I wil buy it or play it... but you cant hold the word of a guy that breaks the nda as he is doing this for you. If he is a respetable person, will wait till there is a free beta, or till the game is launched, and then, you can go the news, you can read players opinions and then, you dont have to pay for a hyped gamed. Or you need to judge a beta state to know what real quality it got? perhaps the tests got a big differente after the "next weekend patch" and all the bugs are out cause they are just getting what to work on? did you think about this? noone says you MUST buy the game the first day, noone says you must pay for it till you get REAL information. What Im saying is that he isnt telling real information, or, its at least not all the thruth. Now, you can wait, judge by yourself, or believe the word of an nda breaker, just remember that you is who is playing, not him, and just remember that you is who is paying.
A guy might tell you a wolf is coming and you will call him liar, even say wolves are extinct in order to strenghten your argument, now, when 5 guys tell you a wolf is coming, you start thinking about the possibility. I need to read a decent report from a NDA breaker pointing at possitive things instead of a "im breaking NDA to tell you the game is really funny" or "funcom promises this".
Now don't tell me they shared the few beta accounts they gave out in the anticonan.com site.
Also, I never said that guy is convincing me not to play, but calling him liar for giving us info isn't fair in my eyes.
I dont need need to believe him cause I can see it with my eyes, is the only thing Im saying.
That's what I mean, good reports might have the same credibility as negative reports, as long as those are equally argumented, that is.
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Ah.. the end game is raiding... I was hoping this game wouldn't be like that. I don't have the time to spend 4+ hours of unfun in hopes to get an item. I wouldn't do that even if I could. Really doesn't make sense to make a game for 'grown-ups' and have that garbage.
No the end game is not raiding. Raiding is an option, but the end game is conquest PvP, something along the lines of EVE, DAOC and Lineage
But you missed the point. If it is a PVP centric game then you realize that everyone wants that edge. Guilds will force you to raid to get the better gear and weapons just to take up PVP to have that edge. It is not essentially an option but a forced raiding style because of the PVP. You think you won't see raiding be the prime element in this game to have a better edge on other players? I see this game as nothing more then raiding to become powerful.
Ah.. the end game is raiding... I was hoping this game wouldn't be like that. I don't have the time to spend 4+ hours of unfun in hopes to get an item. I wouldn't do that even if I could. Really doesn't make sense to make a game for 'grown-ups' and have that garbage.
No the end game is not raiding. Raiding is an option, but the end game is conquest PvP, something along the lines of EVE, DAOC and Lineage
quite right Huxflux,
Just because AoC offers 'Raiding' in a very detailed way, from the looks of it, most people presume that this is the end game content be all and end all. Goto repeat myself here, raided items will not neccessarily give the best choice of item say in PvP, raided items have stats on them that are usefull for that area. Raiding is there for people who like the big bosses, exploring dungeons and new area's of the game etc.
They say the game is pretty fast to level in.
You have a sandbox type environment with your PvE and PvP cities. With only 9 PvP Keeps per server competition will be high forsure.
Your PvE city I believe has a status rank to it, and in turn how well your PvE city is has a direct correlation to your PvP city - supplies, fortification etc. If your into the high end and your guilded you will want to keep your PvE city ticking over nicely to help out your PvP city (battlekeep). For those not into the whole massive guild thing then there are lots of options to PvP. As a mercenary for example, fame on that level, or in the Border Kingdom which is Open and Not an instance, like to PvP get yourself on a PvP server where its Open PvP everywhere apart from hubs.
The game has, and will offer more support to develop your character thru the continuing storyline after you reach max PvE level.
Crafting comes into play alot in some of the things mentioned above too. Dropped items cannot be improved upon, crafted items like weapons or armor can have up to four sockets attached to them for improvement and can be the best made items for PvP too. Train different area's which are done thru quests and aren't experience based. Seperate crafting villages for you to merchant your high level goods, to train new disciplines etc.
Raiding is there for those that like that sort of thing too.
Lets not forget the game is 185 square miles of content too, if you love to explore there are massive area's that are very atmospheric to seek out.
For those wanting the ultimate fame, team up with some friends, make some cities yourself (all crafted) protect them, build them up, draw up tactical plans for defence and keep an eye on your foes. Totally against other humans and not NPC's. Pretty much every large scale fight will be different each time.
Like to RP? then join the RP server, role play your character, evolve it thru the 'Destiny Quests', do all of the above in character if you like with like minded people.
i asked the raid dev - "Do I have to do all this stuff to get the best gear, to get "kitted" up so I know I can have the best attire in the border kingdoms?" Short Answer - "No you dont" you can make better gear/weapons etc as a crafter to suit your needs. If your a tank and you like to PvP you can make armor with the extra slots to assist you better at tanking, eg stats against crushing or magical resistance - like if you was front line protecting your 'Keep'
"War is the business of barbarians."
Napoleon Bonaparte
I myself and worried that this will turn into a gear elitist guild grind fest....and again with the class system...sorry graphics arent enough to reel me in, i dont think ill be there on launch day. Had alot of hope but after watching those 4 vids....falling out of favor...oh well will wait for Spellborn and WAR.....maybe maybe Aion but it asian...so i know its a grind....oh well.
Actually I am feeling more encouraged about the game after browsing these forums, watching the vids, and checking out the links. I was a bit skeptical of the combat system at first but I think it might just work. We shall see when it goes live...
"FAIL, AoC is nothing more than a level based grind fest in a different skin, not to mention gear is the new MMO clone from WoW as well. So, yes, FAIL."
Uhm, I don't think you know how AoC is, I think you just posted that because your a fcking WoW fan!
A clone from WoW? You must be one of those who think WoW is the one and only(first) MMO. WoW is a clone from a lot of other MMO's, thats a fact. But Funcom has taken big steps to make their game unique, and they succeeded! So from now on, before you post things like that, check out how games are.
And endgame: Well, you got player cities. You have to have some level 60's to build one and it costs a lot of resources, so thats endgame.
So you got: Player cities, raiding, and PvP as endgame
And about gear: You won't have to go into an instance to get good gear. A lot of crafted gear is better than dungeone gears.
And just because people 'are used to' WoW's combat system (took WoW as an example) doesn't mean AoC's combat system have to fail. Then you guys are dull, and just don't want to learn new stuff. I am used to WoW's combat system, but still I am very eager to learn AoC's system.
So AoC, WON'T FAIL! I wonder why its so much discussion about this, just because the developers were tired of the same system in EVERY MMO. You people should be happy someone actually comes with something new!
Whoa.. hook, line and sinker.. Funcom really knows how to bullshit the audience.
Whoa.. hook, line and sinker.. Funcom really knows how to bullshit the audience.
That doesn't come from Funcom. Thats my opinion of the game. You can see on every AoC vids that its something new.This forum should be named: MMORPG for defeatists! Why are almost everyone here so fucking negative about new things.
Leveling fast, is a good thing ?
Also, I'd like your definition of an sandbox environment because what I understand, AoC ain't it.
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I doubt AoC will fail couse I am an AoC fanboy and i belive blindly that everything will be ok in the end.
I am a little bit worried with all the cool features that are lately being removed from the game, but even so the game looks great.
I am also worried about some beta leaks that are kinda doomsday (I did not mention anything in particular).
I also believe that one more delay of this game will piss me off, and i will wait another month for WAR and forget about AoC completely.
But i believe Funcom will release AoC on time. Maybe even a somewhat buggy game, and fix them in patches, maybe even add the canceled content like formations and hell.
Whoa.. hook, line and sinker.. Funcom really knows how to bullshit the audience.
That doesn't come from Funcom. Thats my opinion of the game. You can see on every AoC vids that its something new.This forum should be named: MMORPG for defeatists! Why are almost everyone here so fucking negative about new things.
What you hear Funcom saying and see in vids they've published, and what the game is really like are two very different things. It's exactly like VG was, everyone in beta are waiting for the miracle patch to happen, only a few months before release. Of course there are things that no patch in the world could fix, like the tiny gameworld.But don't take my word fror it, go Google.
Also, I'm not sure what you're trying to get at with your "other features besides combat system" list that you have there above. Mounted combat and no-target combat are just parts of the same combat system others keep talking about (the one you say isn't the game's central feature). Also, I really don't know what you mean by "very special character creation & development". If by "very special" you mean "just like every other MMO" then yeah, I agree.
Lets put it this way. I spent years ignoring this game on my radar until about a couple months ago, when I finally went against my better judgement and bought into the hype. Now that I've had some...experience with AoC, I can confidently say that FunCom is great when it comes to big ideas, but pretty piss poor when it comes to execution.
I'll be knocked off my ass with surprise if this game's launch isn't a repeat of Anarchy Online.
well.. The game is already done. Its only polishing now.. And don't be worried about the beta leech..
The game won't be as buggy as the beta. everyone know that, so you can't relly on the beta. The game will be better than frustrated beta testers says. mostly because they don't know what beta testing is for. To test the game and report any glitch or bugs they find.
Also, I'm not sure what you're trying to get at with your "other features besides combat system" list that you have there above. Mounted combat and no-target combat are just parts of the same combat system others keep talking about (the one you say isn't the game's central feature). Also, I really don't know what you mean by "very special character creation & development". If by "very special" you mean "just like every other MMO" then yeah, I agree.
Lets put it this way. I spent years ignoring this game on my radar until about a couple months ago, when I finally went against my better judgement and bought into the hype. Now that I've had some...experience with AoC, I can confidently say that FunCom is great when it comes to big ideas, but pretty piss poor when it comes to execution.
I'll be knocked off my ass with surprise if this game's launch isn't a repeat of Anarchy Online.
well.. I never said that combat system isn't the game's central feature, I said that the game won't fail just because YOU can't handle the new system.And by very special character creation I mean:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLlkNoVHwBY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nS7XjfmVr-c
So almost all community I see on the beta tests forums is happy and think it will be great, bugs will be away thanks to the reports people is doing. I also been in other betas and none of this games got all bugs pulished before released, so is "stupid" (no offense) to talk about a test, like a finished game, there are ever angry guys that love be "doomsayers". Funcom is working hard, as I saw, so, if you want a finished game without bugs, go to the shop, buy one, or wait for the release of the game.
Well yes if they release it when they say it will be VG for sure.
First of all, he is a NDA breaker, who can care about his word?
Second, lot of things that he said are "past" enough, I cant believe that he can still saying "there are no females", "all the textures are the same". So this guy didnt test the game so far!!
Third, I dont need to click the link (he already tried to post it here, and remember that put links of the game is an nda breaking! and the post can get deleted), I can see the other opinions in the official forums, all this angry boys have nothing to thrust on, why? just because LOT of what they say is false. Im not saying everybody is happy and everything is great, but this guy is just a basher, a troll, that tried with some nicks on this forums to put this info and get banned.
So if the rest of people is respecting the contract, lot of beta testers are happy but cant put out information, you are going to believe one that his first phrase is "funcom said that there are more than 100 banned account due to the break of nda"? he is angry and nothing else cause he is one of the banned .
He isnt banned, get your facts straight, he has been posting videos from open beta for a pair of weeks already and seems to be quite careful while doing the footage. And who cares about his word? Everyone who wants to pay for quality instead of paying for hype or an IP.
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He isnt banned, get your facts straight, he has been posting videos from open beta for a pair of weeks already and seems to be quite careful while doing the footage. And who cares about his word? Everyone who wants to pay for quality instead of paying for hype or an IP.
Look, I have any interest in make a game or whatever, bigger or better, I have no interest in pay for something I dont like, and If I dont like aoc I will not pay for it. Just take a look that I didnt say it is great, or everything is perfect, I never said that I wil buy it or play it... but you cant hold the word of a guy that breaks the nda as he is doing this for you. If he is a respetable person, will wait till there is a free beta, or till the game is launched, and then, you can go the news, you can read players opinions and then, you dont have to pay for a hyped gamed. Or you need to judge a beta state to know what real quality it got? perhaps the tests got a big differente after the "next weekend patch" and all the bugs are out cause they are just getting what to work on? did you think about this? noone says you MUST buy the game the first day, noone says you must pay for it till you get REAL information. What Im saying is that he isnt telling real information, or, its at least not all the thruth. Now, you can wait, judge by yourself, or believe the word of an nda breaker, just remember that you is who is playing, not him, and just remember that you is who is paying.
A guy might tell you a wolf is coming and you will call him liar, even say wolves are extinct in order to strenghten your argument, now, when 5 guys tell you a wolf is coming, you start thinking about the possibility. I need to read a decent report from a NDA breaker pointing at possitive things instead of a "im breaking NDA to tell you the game is really funny" or "funcom promises this".
Now don't tell me they shared the few beta accounts they gave out in the anticonan.com site.
Also, I never said that guy is convincing me not to play, but calling him liar for giving us info isn't fair in my eyes.
A guy might tell you a wolf is coming and you will call him liar, even say wolves are extinct in order to strenghten your argument, now, when 5 guys tell you a wolf is coming, you start thinking about the possibility. I need to read a decent report from a NDA breaker pointing at possitive things instead of a "im breaking NDA to tell you the game is really funny" or "funcom promises this".
Now don't tell me they shared the few beta accounts they gave out in the anticonan.com site.
Also, I never said that guy is convincing me not to play, but calling him liar for giving us info isn't fair in my eyes.
I dont need need to believe him cause I can see it with my eyes, is the only thing Im saying.
A guy might tell you a wolf is coming and you will call him liar, even say wolves are extinct in order to strenghten your argument, now, when 5 guys tell you a wolf is coming, you start thinking about the possibility. I need to read a decent report from a NDA breaker pointing at possitive things instead of a "im breaking NDA to tell you the game is really funny" or "funcom promises this".
Now don't tell me they shared the few beta accounts they gave out in the anticonan.com site.
Also, I never said that guy is convincing me not to play, but calling him liar for giving us info isn't fair in my eyes.
I dont need need to believe him cause I can see it with my eyes, is the only thing Im saying.
That's what I mean, good reports might have the same credibility as negative reports, as long as those are equally argumented, that is.