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Is This Going to Be A Casual Carebear Game?
krinkled
Member Posts: 9
Basically I am a dissatisfied WoW player. I really enoyed the original WoW but TBC not as much.
Every patch WoW has become more and more casual.
I would say Blizzards current target market is bored housewives instead of real gamers.
Anyway I cancelled my WotLK preorder, and just placed an order for Age Of Conan Collector's Edition.
I have heard positive buzz about this game but have a few questions:
1) Will there be a robust raid endgame?
2) Will there be real WPvP?
3) Are they going to pander to bored housewives and other casuals?
I.E. does everyone get the best gear in the game for free?
TIA
I am looking forward to having a place to go so I can leave WoW.
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Hope so, some of us have lives outside of a MMO.
lol i wouldnt say this is gonna be a carebear game at all.. the endgame is focused alot around pvp
yes there are raids
if you play on a pvp server then yes it will be open world pvp
i Highly doubt that bored housewives are going to be playing.. from wat ive seen most dont like blood and gore all to much but i could be wrong about that lol...
no i dont think everyone will get the best gear for free... but none of this is for sure till the game is released cuz or you get into beta..
Well if decapitations=care bear...then yes!
Er, you really can't be playing WOW and call anyone or anything a Carebear you know. Unless you're out here playing EVE, Shadowbane, or some other PVP game with strong consequences for death penalties you're best leaving the word out of your vocabulary.
But, no, I think AOC will be a broad spectrum game, with 80 regular levels to grind through, (probably a bit tougher than WOW was pre-TBC), 20 levels of PVP to acquire, plus the PVP servers are going to be a more vicious place, much more so than WOW is (I hope).
As to whether everyone gets the best gear or not, why so elitist? Who cares what gear people get, this is a game, let everyone have some fun. Can't you just enjoy driving a Lexus and not worry if anyone else owns one too?
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I dont know to much indepth about Age of Conan since its not the kind of game I'm looking for but it sounds pretty hard core with some stuff for casual to do but the focus is most definitly not casual. They'd be crazy to turn it around too since it'd peeve off the IP people & the Conan Lore fanatics (which is who this game is being made for more than anything. )
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Carebear has nothing to do with time spent. It's more arguable that houswives that pvp are less carebear then you. Raiders are the epitemy of carebear.
Shadowbane is far from Carebear, and yet it's casual friendly at the same time. EQ is a more carebear game, but it's not casual friendly.
With the advent of battlekeeps being obliterated after people spend many weeks building them up, there are going to be some very noncarebear elements to AoC. I can almost hear the WoW and EQ people crying already after losing all their stuff.
I'm with Kyle. Maybe it's just the games I played prior to WoW, but I don't understand where people like the OP get their mentality from. I am looking forward to the PVP aspect as well as having the ability to get lost in the world of Conan and I have not bothered even thinking about gear. If the gear they had were just burlap sacks and wooden training swords that would be all fine with me as long as the pvp is fun, and the world is large and I can get lost in it. I couldn't care less if there were bored housewives playing the game, or if Kyle is driving a Lexus that rich bastard
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interesting point.. I think this game is gonna be mainly for AoC fans and real mmorpgs fans. And fuck the bored housewives, they are everywhere... let them play second life and shits like that so we can play real mmos like AoC.
If they want subs it will be, sorry but PvP just isnt the main source of income for mmo's, its the so called "carebares" as you referred to them.
Sorry ,carebares, spelling mistake.
You really need to belittle others just to write a post? Carebear, bored housewives? Its now a vogue among some of us here, to put down WoW as a means of establishing self-esteem.
AoC is still under NDA. No one can talk freely if he/she actually got to play in the closed beta. There are lots of information on the Funcom website and the developer is trying hard to stress that the game is designed to play on various level of intensity.
Actually I believe WoW's target auidience is every man, woman, and child they can get their hands on. They make an easy, playable, fun (at points), casual game that will make them a lot of money. AoC will be grittier and darker than WoW so it will hold a more mature audience for the most part.
OP:
How many PvP oriented MMOs have you played. I just want you to know WoW is the most carebear friendly PvP oriented MMO available. WoW is the only PvP oriented MMO I've ever played where you could grind and equip a character without worrying about getting ganked.
WoW is about as carebear as it gets without actually having PvP.
I actually quit WoW because the PvP was so weak.
I played a PvP server from release. I was ganked plenty. I don't mean in that "ha ha I killed you and now I leave" kinda way. I mean the "Ha ha I killed you, now me and all 30 of my friends are gonna kill every shopkeeper and quest giver in the area while we wait for you to respawn".
Its not so much that way now...BG"s killed it. Before that, WoW was a great PvP game. Before heavy raid gear too...back then me and my friend were both level 20 and killed a few 60's simple because we knew what we were doing and did it well. *sigh* I miss it.
I do understand why you people feel that way about WoW PvP. Its just that, for me, I don't remember it that way. I got to play that game on a PvP server during a time when PvP happened ALOT. Like, so much that to this day I want to rip the face off of every night elf and gnome that I see. I couldn't play alliance because it literally got to me that I wasn't able to attack them in IF.
........I also had terrible luck with Druids. Every damn time I got near a tree, or a forest, in that game I had to defend myself against some stupid druids. Back then, it was rough for a hunter to pull that off.
Those days are long gone though. WoW really did have nice PvP once though, plenty of room to add more Factional stuff if they wanted. They could have just added the honor system and been golden. That act alone would have spurred war EVERYWHERE war could have happened. Grrrrr.....I wish they had chose that route instead. PvP servers would have been made of win and awesome. I
Not trying to flame you bud but IMO Wow has always had weak PvP. I've played all sorts of PvP oriented MMOs and WoW has always seemed like the ability to kill another play was enabled as an after thought.
Its never had that oh I better not step out of town or I'll get whacked feel like other MMOs I've played have had.
I think the word carebear is Godwin's Law in action on mmorpg level.
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If u come to this game from shadowbane, eve, UO etc this game is carebear. But coming to this game from WoW i would dare to say u will find this game hardcore lol.
As for casual i have no idea, i hope it is though....
You fail at life delete yourself. Yes it will be a carebear game so please cancel your pre-order. *shhh everyone play along*
I remember the early days of WOW, and we did have quite a bit of World PVP smackdown on my server. I grew to openly hate a couple of gank guilds that went out of their way to kill you.
Blizzard could fix it all so easily. They just need to give greater rewards for World PVP than they give in the Battlegrounds, and you'd see people flood outside into the light and gleefully start killing each other.
BG's were a great idea for the normal servers, and a terrible one for the PVP servers.
Who the hell are you, and why should I care?
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Also, I don't find there to be anything wrong with casual gamers, I am one. I happen to like my real life, but sometimes I like to play mmorpg games for recreation, just like reading or playing on a console. Frankly I get disgusted with all the testosterone driven teenagers who think they are the only ones who should enjoy a game.
I can tell you a big reason I'm interested is the world and storyline, which a lot of players tend to just brush aside in favor of the great kill or raid or whatever.
So in conclusion, I really hope the game does cater in part to the casual gamer, as well as the hardcore.
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i think playerbase will be somewhat casual, at least on the RP and PVE servers. i think players who are into this game are over 20 and might have school or jobs already.
and like it or not, jobs and schools are timethiefs which really forces people to be somewhat casual gamer.. they dont have the time to spent on the game, at least not that much which would make them hardcore grinders anyways...
im quite sure that there wont be peace or carebears in pvp server... im sure its filled with blood, grief and sweat which im looking forward to
I don't understand how you can say that Blizzard made WoW more "casual" after each patch. What are you talking about? I quit WoW because in order to get anywhere you have to either raid, or play the same BG's over and over again. It got incredibly boring.....raiding places like Kara and that thing they had after Kara is not for the casual player. Heck, my guild wouldn't let me join them until I had better gear...the kind of gear you can only get from doing the higher level instances...which was endless because of the low drop rates of gear...and the pickup teams that just get you killed over and over again.
Maybe MMO's just aren't for me...but I quit WoW and I'm going to at least give Age of Conan a try
Raiding sucks and casual gaming sucks. AoC fails to find the middleground by supporting both extremes.
To the OP (krinkled):
What's your definition of casual and carebear?
Seems like different people mean different things when uttering those words, so it's hard to give you an estimated guess of an assessment (as much as can be given for any game in development).