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DemonTaoist
Member Posts: 23
To play this game?
The tutorials are useless. I spent 30 minutes the last time I played trying to figure out how to sell something on the market. "Click the advanced tab" says the tutorial...
WHAT advanced tab, says I?! What 9 other menus do I have to go through to get to this advanced tab?
I think I've tried virtually every other MMO on the market at this point and can't remember feeling so overwhelmed and intimidated by a game.
After the tutorial was (finally) over, and I splashed some cold water on my face to wake up after that snooze fest, I had no frickin idea what I was supposed to do and had(/have) no idea how to do anything but run missions and mine. Surely there's something more interesting to do than that.
I still have no idea what my skills do, what skills I need to focus on. What all the decisions I made at character creation mean. No idea. The tutorial didn't even mention it. It only told me how to level up a skill, but failed to mention they level automatically on a timer. I'm a special ops military man apparently. What does that mean? I have no idea.
Also my attributes, do they grow? Are they very important? Who knows? Not me.
Frankly, what's more mind-boggling than playing the game itself, is that this is one of the most popular MMOs of all time. I've been reading about it for years, I knew it was different, I knew it was spreadsheets and resource management, but I had no idea that's ALL it was, spreadsheets.
That said, I really want to like this game, but I am just completely clueless and have no frickin idea where to even begin.
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I don't think EVE is for you - really
the tutorials cover just about everything in the game (though this is a fairly recent development) and do it quite well
i'll give you a clue for the selling - pretty simple really
right click on the item you want to sell - hit the option for "sell item" - a window opens showing you what someone is willing to pay for it (if anyone) - usually pretty low - so you hit the "advanced" button right in that little sell window - no need to hunt for it - now you have the opportunity to set the price you would like to sell it for and how long you would like to try to sell it for that price
wow, just like rocket science - heheh - kidding
So much to learn means so much to do.
It's why many, myself included, enjoy the game so much. I like depth in games and EVE offers precisely that.
Some suggestions:
Join EVE University. They regularly hold classes to teach new players and also have quite a few video tutorials to help you out. Ask many questions.
Your stats do matter as skill training time depends on them. You can train Learning skills to improve them.
Where to go is completely dependent on what you want to do. Read forums, a lot, find out what sounds interesting and train for that.
i'll give you a clue for the selling - pretty simple really
right click on the item you want to sell - hit the option for "sell item" - a window opens showing you what someone is willing to pay for it (if anyone) - usually pretty low - so you hit the "advanced" button right in that little sell window - no need to hunt for it - now you have the opportunity to set the price you would like to sell it for and how long you would like to try to sell it for that price
wow, just like rocket science - heheh - kidding
You realize how not-intuitive that is, right?
So in order to sell anything, someone has to order it? Because the "sell item" option is only there if there is demand for the item at the particular station you're at, as I understand it.
The tutorial isn't helpful, that was my point. All it said about selling items was to click the advanced tab.
I assumed that I would sell things through the market menu, because that's make sense. I'd think that big "SELLING" area would have something that would lead me to selling things.
No, it's not rocket science, but it sure isn't logical or intuitive. You mockingly make a very convoluted process sound easy. It's not. To an experienced player, obviously it is. So a new player, it's WTF...
Yeah, so far my guess is this game is not for me. Spreadsheets in space. Yay. I could open up excell with Star Trek playing on my TV for the same effect.
economy anyone?
yes, someone has to want what you are selling - OMG! just like in the real world there is no NPC sitting around waiting to give you gobs of in-game money for your stuff
again and with a little more emphasis - definitely not for you
Duely noted.
Yes, next time I'm at a store, I'll know that the only reason the products I want are there is because I've registered that I'm coming to buy them first..
And everyone knows you can't sell anything on Ebay unless someone requests it. Common sense.
Not.
It's nothing like real life, smart guy.
I would agree that the games not for me if it's filled with people who act like they were born knowing everything about a game. That's a tired attitude to deal with.
No, the UI isn't great, there's a lot of room for improvement, but with as much content as EVE has, that would take years to make. CCP does try, in the next patch they're adding tabs for the overview which is very useful, but it'll take time for them to cover everything.
You can set up sell orders on the market system, or contracts which include a lot, one of those being auctions.
When EvE 1st came out there was not as much information as there is now I still managed to get through it ok. Was a little confusing at 1st but you do learn over time. For me it was trial and error.
Eve is like Marmite you either love it or hate it.
Lest you think everyone in EVE is anti-social I offer you the following information.
First, stat are very important, so you must start off with the correct character build. Follow these instructions, I recommend you go with a PVE build for your first character. (Don't worry, he'll still be able to PVP, just means starting out you'll be a good missile boat pilot right off, which is great for building your cash base.)
wiki.goonfleet.com/index.php
Next, you are correct, a lot of us don't really use the tutorial to learn how to play, we go out to the internet and download/read the dozens of guides to help new players.
This site will take you to a number of them covering all aspects of EVE
www.allabouteveonline.net/playerguides.htm
This is another valuable resource, be sure to check out the Kill mission survival guide.
www.eve-survival.org/
Think you'd like to be a pirate? Then this guide is a great place to start
www.eve-online-fan.co.uk/piracy-guide.php
As to your question about selling things. (forgive me if I'm being too basic)
First, you'll need to be docked in a station. There are certain stations where selling is better than others, Jita (huge lag fest) Rens, Amarr but you can find minor hubs where ever new players are found.
Once you are in station, you need to open the inventory tab and make sure any cargo you have is in the station inventory. Then right click on the item and select "sell this item from the drop down menu"
Now, for some items people will have posted a price they will buy an item for and that's the price that appears in the pop up window. Its usally not a good idea to just accept it. In the right hand corner of the drop down you'll see a magnifying glass. Click on it and a detailed listing of what your item is selling for (and being bought for) will appear (make sure you are on the "Details" Tab up at the top)
You can scroll through the menu and see what the item sells for in your current station, in system and up to about 10 or so jumps away. From this menu you should be able to discern where the nearest big trade hub is, you'll see your item grouped there in large quanity.
You may add you item to the list by clicking on the advanced tab at the bottom of the pop up window and set the number of days you wish to sell it for as well as the price. (generally we all undercut the lowest bid on the list by a small amount.
Well, that about sums it up. Sorry you got sarcasm to your OP, trust me, not everyone in EVE is a bunch of jerks, you'll find many people willing to assist you.
BTW, one really good starter guild (I was in it) was is called Progenitor Corp which is a training corp for AWECO and the Intrepid Crossing Alliance. Blue Max is a great guy, along with Gordonh and they'll be glad to take you in are a wealth of information to answer in game questions. Here's a link:
www.a-w-e.org/Opportunity_To_Join.htm
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Ky does a good job of splaining stuff and providing links. Also search around for posts by Taram.
I've said it before in many other threads along the same subject line - Read up on the game on the web. Then after you've read some, read some more. And then after that... Yep.... Read a lil more.
Browse the forums. Browse the new player guides. Browse the wiki. Browse here.
I agree with you that the tutorial does kind of leave you without knowing what to do. I had the advantage that I read alot of the guides prior to doing the tutorial which made post-tutorial life easier for me. This is one of the many aspects of EvE that alot of people really like. It helps to weed out folks.
EvE does not put handy little yellow Exclamation Marks over the things that you need to do. EvE does not hold your hand. EvE does not cater to those that want ezmode. Please understand that I am not saying yo uare one of these people, I'm just making a statement.
I wish you luck and hope that you will come to enjoy EvE as it is one hell of an awesome game, imo.
[edit]oh god, almost forgot the single most important thing -- Try to find a noob friendly corp asap!
A few years back I subscriped to EVE hoping that it would be the MMO for me. I wasnt really open minded so I cancelled it after a couple of weeks.
Last night I wanted to give it another try - so I downloaded the trial. This time - when really getting deep into the tutorials, forums etc. - Im actually having a lot of fun
In 2003 EVE was a much easier game because it was just get in a Raven and own........ Now theres soooo much more to learn with all the changes.
Oh c'mon the OP stated he didnt get the basics of market .. i mean wtf click market button hit buy, its not rocket science. Not to mention he clearly hasnt read anything about EvE and prolly expected some pop`up tips saying "that is your sword .. to kill a monster with your sword you need to aproach the monster and swing your sword".
I had to do the tutorials twice because i forgot what the hell the first one said by the time i got to the last one.
Big of you to admit that, xennith
Change is inevitable, except from vending machines.
No the only reason the products are there is because the Store owner has put them on his shelf(the market) and placed a price on them(a sell order) so that you can go to the store look at the shelves and buy it. The other option is for him to say he's selling something and look for ads of people looking to buy that and what price and pick a buyer from that. It's exactly like real life.
When i started EvE, there wasnt even a tutorial!!! So i learnt how to play by finding and joining a Mining corp who were able to show me how to do stuff.
When it comes to stuff like the Advanced Tab in the market menu you don't really need that to begin with as it is something that's a bit advanced. So use the stuff you do know and so you know all the subjects in the tutorial and more can be accessed as easy to read text in the appropriateate menu bar button.
Another great example of Moore's Law. Give people access to that much space (developers and users alike) and they'll find uses for it that you can never imagine. "640K ought to be enough for anybody" - Bill Gates 1981
The basics like early missions, mining, trading I figured out myself it wasn't always easy and the first month in game sucks, you have no skills to do much and your kinda left hanging in the breeze. I don't recommend jumping into a corp asap like many people do as they are so many sucky corps around and well sucky corps are sucky, get to around 3 mill SP and carefully research your corp first then get involved in that aspect of the game don't jump into any corp as newbie hoping they will help you out and learn to be able to survive yourself and be self sufficient.
That way you will bring more to your prospective corp and you know what you want yourself in EVE which helps you choose a corp that suits you, you can always leave a corp you don't like but many corp recruiters look disfavorably if someone appears to be a "corp hopper" with lots of corps on their employment history which can look bad in the future.
EVE Uni is probably one of the few exceptions to this, I don't know myself never joined but everyone speaks very highly of them which is pretty rare in EVE.
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EVE online (Ruining low sec one hotdrop at a time)
Gravity Rush,
Dishonoured: The Knife of Dunwall.
(Waiting for) Metro: Last Light,
Company of Heroes II.
nah, not really. we were all newbs once. and did really foolish things. im just happy to look back on them now and laugh/
I didn't bother with the tutorials when I first started. Maybe it was just me but I couldn't stand them. What I did was to read the EVE forums and search them for stuff I wanted to know about like mining, refining, trading, exploration, ship setups etc. I also hung out and still hang out in the help channel just to help others out and as well as picking up nuggets of knowledge I might of not known about, etc..
Games I've played/tried out:WAR, LOTRO, Tabula Rasa, AoC, EQ1, EQ2, WoW, Vangaurd, FFXI, D&DO, Lineage 2, Saga Of Ryzom, EvE Online, DAoC, Guild Wars,Star Wars Galaxies, Hell Gate London, Auto Assault, Grando Espada ( AKA SoTNW ), Archlord, CoV/H, Star Trek Online, APB, Champions Online, FFXIV, Rift Online, GW2.
Game(s) I Am Currently Playing:
GW2 (+LoL and BF3)
So true...You can instead haul an item to another station in the region you are at or an entirely different region if you like and sell your item to the highest priced buyer in the Market window. Oh and just like in real life items that don't sell aren't worth anything to anyone trying to make money and so are not stocked for very long if at all if they can't be moved.
Games I've played/tried out:WAR, LOTRO, Tabula Rasa, AoC, EQ1, EQ2, WoW, Vangaurd, FFXI, D&DO, Lineage 2, Saga Of Ryzom, EvE Online, DAoC, Guild Wars,Star Wars Galaxies, Hell Gate London, Auto Assault, Grando Espada ( AKA SoTNW ), Archlord, CoV/H, Star Trek Online, APB, Champions Online, FFXIV, Rift Online, GW2.
Game(s) I Am Currently Playing:
GW2 (+LoL and BF3)
i canceled tutorial at first mission (hate them) and start mining :DD
i learn alot of stuff on TS whit a player corp and also been registering explication given on TS to listen them until "i get it"
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