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WAR for the "speacial" WoW kids.
durton
Member Posts: 86
Hello all,
In the late 90's I got absolutely knocked off my feet when I started playing UO. I had never been into tabletop/pen-paper/card type rpg's and I totally didn't expect it, but I was hooked on mmorpg's. Ever since then I have been a huge fan of mmorpg's. Lokking back on all of the games I've played, I would have to say that the one I had the most fun with was DAOC. Why? Well, there are quite a few reasons, basically look at the different ways to rate a game on this site and you've got most of them. For me it was just an all around great game. And I can honestly say I liked the way it has progressed since day one. I think that Mythic really set the standards for mmorpg's. Since, they put so much care and tought into raising there first baby(daoc) into everything that it is today, there adoption of the already estblished Warhammer, is going to make for an incomparable game.
When it comes to those WoW fanboys(and girl's) that say WAR will just be another WoW clone, I think you should do a little research before you sound anymore like speacial ed dropouts. Don't get me wrong I've enjoyed all of the warcraft games including WoW. But saying WAR looks like a WoW clone is ridiculous. Sure I admit some of the character renders seem a little alike, but all you need to do to figure out why that is, read the charecter descriptions in a basic d&d or fantasy based rpg handbook: You've got your short, stout, bearded, and tough dwarves/ Pale, tall, noble, and sexy elves/of course humans/evil big, greyish, disturbed and nasty orcs/....etc... My point is they all somewhat match there familiar desciprtions. Secondly, type 'warhammer miniatures', in the google image search, look through them, then go to sonsofthestorm .com(blizzard concept artist's site) Then take into consideration that some of those ministures have been around for way longer then the Blizzard concept artists and maybe you'll realize that much of Warcraft's art was inspired by the pre-existing Warhammer art.
And when it comes to gameplay I have nothing to do but laugh at anyone bold enough to say it is a WoW clone. Sure they are both Level based mmorpg's in a fantasy setting, but other than the simulaities there, they are based on unique story line's, have different goals, and are being created and maintained by two credable companies with different story tellers no need to copy one another.
I kind of side tracked from the origional point of my post, which was to say I think that, hands down, when WAR is released it will be the best and funnest and best MMORPG yet. First of all, It is being made by Mythic, who I personally respect alot. Second, the warhammer series obviously has a lot of fans stretched over a long period of fans, so I have no doubts that the storyline is solid and gripping. Thirdly the fantasy look provides a familliar setting to computer gamer's, even the ones who are no familliar with the warhammer serires.
Overall I would say WAR will be an amazing game. Also I would encourage anyone who is interested enough to read this to go to WAR's site and read up on the story and different game mechanics, because I think you will see more in depth why this game will be great.
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I agree with everything except the last part.
AoC wil be the greatest mmo ever. :P
Connan has quite the history too, just not in terms of gaming...I think it will haveproblems translating...Plus WAR is being made Mythic. In my opinion that gives it a boost over Connan.
Basically this is another WAR isn't a WOW clone thread...
Tbh every mmorpg these days plays the same and what ties WAR and WOW together closer is they have similar art styles.
*wanders on by and smells...A Dead Horse*
Seriously we all love WAR here...and yea there's the occasional jackal that runs through with a WAR is WoW without actualy knowing anything about the mechanics of the game but over all its really not enough to need these never ending dead horse beat down threads of attacks on the WoW fans & kiddies (seperates the two since the average WoW player could careless about whats going on around them in the MMO community).
WoW's a good game in its own right...while its not for alot of us old school or even for those of us that have experienced other MMOs period ...its not a bad game. (I personally Dislike the Game and have since Launch it was just the only thing that was out and my friends were playing so I got Roped in for a short time)
It just has an overly exuberant group of fanbois & haters that think they need to constantly attack any other game that comes out that even remotely has some similiar features. Despite the fact that WoW stole everything it has from other games, which is actually how the whole PC & Gaming development community actually evolves so its not a bad thing.
Anyway Dead Horse...Fresh Air tanks five bucks! Clubs for beating the dead horse..absolutely free.
Please Refer to Doom Cat with all conspiracies & evil corporation complaints. He'll give you the simple explination of..WE"RE ALL DOOMED!
I found the horse and it is being beaten.
Yes it is 'just another WAR isn't a WoW clone post.' And basically the second part oof what you said summed up my post in one pesemistic sentence. I
and saying mmorpgs these days are all the same is kind of like you saying that you shouldn't even be on this site. I mean just choose one, play it, and don't go to a site aimed at keeping you up to date on all of the DIFFERENT games. Also saying adding the these days part makes you sound lile your twelve, considering the whole idea of mmo's, is not that old. Hell Im only 26and I am way older than anyone of tthem. So unless by "these days." you mean all mmorpgs in existance, yur staatement makes you sound like a young kid trying to sound old. Using statements like "these days..." do you also use phrases li "back when i was just a child......" When you wannna talk about the turn of the century?
and btw all mmorpg's do not play the same...they have similarities. But saying they all play the same is like saying all cad games play the same, I mean Poker-Go fish.......whats the difference? They are both played with a 52 card deck and they can have very similar pictures on them.
WAR will be great.
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Look at the ratings , the things that say WAR is a wow clone are still there......so the horse is still kickin
...and one time at band camp... you fanboy's are so funny, most of you act like cattle and just follow the masses. Its a shame that most of you do not realize that all these so called "New MMO's" being released are in fact mere WOW clones and to be technical they are EQ clones since the same core game system hasnt changed at all;
Bottom line, the company making WAR or AoC have to make money in order to maintain the game, staff and contractors in order for them to do that OR at least most companies will play it safe and re-make whats already out there, WAR and/or AoC simply want a piece of WOW's subscriber base which they may end up with a very small percentage initially but then once the WAR and/or AoC fever as run its course only the true fan[kiddies] will remain and thats a much smaller cut.
People in general are tired of the same'ole same'ole, you can dress it up however you like but i can tell you that the "MAJORITY" of MMO players do not care about story lines or how much ketchup you can pour on fries before it gets too soggy, in the end people "in general" want something new, something that will take them away from the WOW setting, and THAT has not happened yet, nor will it happen until a company is bold enough to create something new!
...and one time at band camp... you fanboy's are so funny, most of you act like cattle and just follow the masses. Its a shame that most of you do not realize that all these so called "New MMO's" being released are in fact mere WOW clones and to be technical they are EQ clones since the same core game system hasnt changed at all;
Bottom line, the company making WAR or AoC have to make money in order to maintain the game, staff and contractors in order for them to do that OR at least most companies will play it safe and re-make whats already out there, WAR and/or AoC simply want a piece of WOW's subscriber base which they may end up with a very small percentage initially but then once the WAR and/or AoC fever as run its course only the true fan[kiddies] will remain and thats a much smaller cut.
People in general are tired of the same'ole same'ole, you can dress it up however you like but i can tell you that the "MAJORITY" of MMO players do not care about story lines or how much ketchup you can pour on fries before it gets too soggy, in the end people "in general" want something new, something that will take them away from the WOW setting, and THAT has not happened yet, nor will it happen until a company is bold enough to create something new!
All Im hearing is a bunch of "I hate WoW!" gibberish. You can get analytical all you want, but this is the bottom line.
WAR is not a wow clone. Nor is wow an EQ clone. They are all different games, which is why a group of people plays EQ, and another plays WoW. Although I very much agree with the fact that MMO-dev companies want a slice of the WoW pie by creating "look-alikes" and "feel-alikes". That really has to stop.
WAR is going to set itself apart from the rest by these 2 things: The Warhammer World and RvR. And frankly, its these 2 things I'm looking forward to the most. I don't care how it looks like WoW (It really doesnt, but thats what wow-haters yell), I don't care how it plays like WoW (Again, what wow-haters yell). I just want a good game, where I can enjoy myself. And truthfully, being a warhammer player (Both table-top and digitally), I WILL enjoy myself playing it. No matter what the wow-haters say.
Honestly, Im tired of you lot. You hate wow. We get it. We dont care. Go pick on some other game to whine about. We wont care then either.
I just have to sit back and laugh when I hear all of these "clone" arguments. I laugh, because I have been playing mmo's since UO (as the original poster), and every game that has come since, has been labeled a clone of some sort. I remember reading crazy ass post saying that EQ, (before it was released) was just UO with a 3D perspective. Then of course, Asherons Call, Horizons, SWG, AC2, (insert name here) were all just EQ clones. Of course, now that WoW is the king of the hill, everything is a WoW clone.
It's ridiculous. We all need to point out the true culprit here. It's Forums...lol. The only problem with having a place for people to express their opinions is that they will do it (myself included). And of course, no one agrees with anyone else. In a perfect world, you just play the game you like, try to get friends to play and leave it the hell alone. But games now a day are like religious cults. Everyone fights, defends, and attempts to recruit.
Most of the games coming out do incorporate new ideas, fighting systems, crafting, etc. Of course, that's not good enough, if there are ANY similarities, you will be labeled a clone. You know similarities such as having a character on screen who can run around and smack things with a stick, or throw fire at it. That’s enough right there to put you on clone territory…lol
Bottom line is
If you don't want a 'WoW/EQ clone' don't make a level based MMORPG.
Bring on the WARRRRGGHH!
So basically, the OP is cloning many other dead horse threads on the subject. How ironic.
Since you seem to lack some brain cells and your reading skills are low, allow me to quote a simple sentence:
" in the end people "in general" want something new, something that will take them away from the WOW setting, and THAT has not happened yet, nor will it happen until a company is bold enough to create something new!"
if you still dont get it, try 1-800-ABC-DEFG
Level based
Gear based grind - PvE and PvP gear
Only 2 sides to choose from
Locked into your side
Locked into your profession
Static quests
level based zones
faction based zones
no player housing
instanced battlegrounds
Auction houses in main cities
NO communication between sides
Level based mount ownership
PvP flagging
You're right, aside from being slightly similar looking, they have a totally different game design. Of course WAR does have that RvR game, maybe Blizz can borrow that aspect for their game? Considering the above list I think it's only fair.
How does PreCU SWG stack up against that list? Or UO? Or Everquest? Or EvE? Or any damn game made before WoW exploded?
But then I am one of those speacial ed dropouts what needs to go back to tha skool ta do som mor booke learnin before i can learn what the word "copy" means.
"The liberties and resulting economic prosperity that YOU take for granted were granted by those "dead guys"
Since you seem to lack some brain cells and your reading skills are low, allow me to quote a simple sentence:
" in the end people "in general" want something new, something that will take them away from the WOW setting, and THAT has not happened yet, nor will it happen until a company is bold enough to create something new!"
if you still dont get it, try 1-800-ABC-DEFG
Custumers don't want something new. Every time a company tries something innovative or different from the norm, it bombs since people aren't interested. Look on the TB boards and see another game that will have a slow and pitiful death.We will be stuck with EQ clones for a while to come.
Woo, someone with a bit of sense for once. Nice post mate. I agree with you all the way. WAR has everything going for it, and you know what, i reckon they'll do a fine job.
I'm itching to get on Warhammer Online... then again, i was with Vanguard (LOL)
Come on Mythic!
Since you seem to lack some brain cells and your reading skills are low, allow me to quote a simple sentence:
" in the end people "in general" want something new, something that will take them away from the WOW setting, and THAT has not happened yet, nor will it happen until a company is bold enough to create something new!"
if you still dont get it, try 1-800-ABC-DEFG
Custumers don't want something new. Every time a company tries something innovative or different from the norm, it bombs since people aren't interested. Look on the TB boards and see another game that will have a slow and pitiful death.We will be stuck with EQ clones for a while to come.
EQ clones will do me just fine... EQ is my favorite mmorpg of all time
WoW = Like 80% of WoW's subscribers are kids from age 11 - 14. They're just some fanboys of WoW and think its the best game in the worldz and keep saying that WAR is just some clone of WoW... who cares? just let em talk, i dont even want those immature little brats to play WAR
Warhammer Online For The Win.
Since you seem to lack some brain cells and your reading skills are low, allow me to quote a simple sentence:
" in the end people "in general" want something new, something that will take them away from the WOW setting, and THAT has not happened yet, nor will it happen until a company is bold enough to create something new!"
if you still dont get it, try 1-800-ABC-DEFG
My reading skills are fine, since I replied to:
...and one time at band camp... you fanboy's are so funny, most of you act like cattle and just follow the masses. Its a shame that most of you do not realize that all these so called "New MMO's" being released are in fact mere WOW clones and to be technical they are EQ clones since the same core game system hasnt changed at all
For some reason, you all say exactly the same thing. Its like you copy and paste it from your holy tome of "I hate mainstream games".
Yeah.. funny that eh? All personal nose-thumbing aside, the fact is that elvenangel hit that nail on the head with the assertion that competition, assimilation, and innovation is what drives free market(yes, elvenangel did state that in particular for PC/games development but I feel secure enough to expand upon the phrasing. Also please lets not go into the character design of WAR and WOW as it is a horse so far gone that striking it creates Rorschach artwork.)
**EDIT** For Clarity.
"Speek for yourself, I dno't make misteaks." - fyerwall
mostly the people who are of age 20 and older hope for all the kids that play wow to go for warhammer.
Then the older once can go for AoC and play it in peace .
What is on paper, or in videos for that matter, isn't worth much before official release. Let's wait release before stating how the game really is.
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Waiting for: GW2
*thumbs up*: GW, Eve(, WoW)
*thumbs down*: MO, GA, FE
please fail somewhere else.
Bollocks!
had you wrote 11-15 you had to include yourself in it wouldn't you?.... try reread your own post again, then you might notice you "owned" yourself with sweet irony. Right now the only "immature brat", in this thread, is you.
Nice number(%) you pulled out of the rear end by the way, however each game borrows something from the other, if it works well and is a great feature customers would like, then it's a given it's going to be "mass produced".
I really don't care who came with what first, whoever does it the best, is what i care about, if WAR does it well then they just did it well, if AoC does it well, then i'm going to be a happy man, since i've been waiting for that, or if WoW does it well, then it's just going to be WoW, hate it or love it.....
Take the Magic: The Gathering 'What Color Are You?' Quiz.
I salute you OP! I believe in balance (except when it comes to grudges) and welcome opposition to the 'war as a wow clone' inquisition. As far as art styles, game mechanics, and so forth all i can say is man, if you were making a car would you NOT put wheels on it just to be different? Of course not! The effing car would'nt go anywhere!
Borrowing things from eachother in one way, shape, or form in ANY industry that focus on making the lastest and greatest thing, is paramount. Simply stating that 'this game stole this from that' shows how ignorant and clueless you really are.