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I can't help thinking that War has a better chance than AoC, I must say that I'm not following the details of both games very much, because of the games they play with release dates, and the great Vanguard caper.
Vanguard proved that with a good web site design and a lot of markiting you can get people to beleive anything. Also without an open beta no one has a clue how far along both games are. As they bump release dates some say this is a good thing however no one knows how far along Warhammer or AoC really are. They may release in 2010 and still feel like beta.
I can only guess like anyone else but with Warhammer having lower ended graphics you can have a larger player base. I was just viewing some dungeon clips of AoC and the eye candy was great. I just built a super computer a few months ago and should be ready for this, but I can't help thinking about LAG and more LAG maybe my computer is not that great ! And what about my groups, are they all gonna have super computers too, will we be standing around waiting for others to re-log back on?.
I could only guess but Warhammer seems like they would have a better chance of having better coding, If the coding is bad then will have another EQ2 on our hands. my opinion is EQ2 graphics sucked more so than WoW however my old computer could not run EQ2 as well as WoW.
Like I say I'm not following much of the details, but they better be able to be fun for solo content because 90% of people are solo players. An AoC clip showed building a guild fortress It was beautifull and all but expecting everyone to gather hours upon hours of resorces, tell me there will not be a lot of arguing there !. I love groups, and love getting them togeather for hours at a time, but I'm also like most I'm not a social butterfly. This will be a turn off for the casual player trying to get in a pre-built guild.
One last note about graphics. I beleave that WoW has the best as of yet. Why? because the world is not always flat, you can swim deep into a sunken ship to get a chest one minute and climb a hill and view the area the next. EQ2, Lotro, and Vanguard scuks for gerographic changes, I'll put my money on adventurous terrain where everyones computer can run it more than my toon looking good any day, So my money will go to Warhammer as being a better chance of being a winner.
My game plan is to forget about Warhammer and AoC. I know very little as of yet. I'm not wasting much time on hype. I'll play an off line RPG or nothing at all and let both be released, let you fans argue over them, pick the best then study the details.
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... Yea after your first sentence I could easily just call Shenanigins seriously.
First off Warhammer has never ever ever had a set release date. Just time frames they're looking at, then when they started hearing everything from the testers they pushed back to ADD MORE to the game. Age of conan has had a few release dates but the one that they have now is the absolute last one. Plus the game has been on show alot.
Second you can't have an open beta until a game goes comes out of closed & stress test beta and both games are going to have some sort of open beta. Plus Open Beta's are usually the last 2 to 3 weeks before release...we're no where near War's and we're not yet there with AoC either.
Third WAR and AoC are being made for extremely different types of players. Any of us true fans of the game (and not rabid idiot fan children) are hoping both games do well. Why? Because we all know we need MORE good games...the more we have...the better off we are in the long run.
Fourth You really shouldn't yap your trap unless you know what your talking about. WoW has the best graphics? Give me a break they were even for the time they released behind the times. Please stay with Offline RPG's since its obvious you have no clue what your talkinga bout and you like to try and stir trouble between War and AoC fans.
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Antifear you should read more then the first few lines before you post, because very few know the REAL state of Warhammer or Age of Conan. .....Do YOU... your reading hype thats it !!!!, you can only go by little facts, read everything I have to say first and you will find I'm most talking about computers and what most everyone have.
Do you really think everyone have great computers ? The people on mmorpg and the hard core mmo people most will walk into EB Games and buy a game because the box sounds good.
This site is all about opinions, And I'm stating my opinon that it's not worth forming one yet !
You can't seem to post anything on this site with out some one like you slamming off the cuff opions and YES your off the Cuff
eeeehmmm.... ROFL!
We all know that everyone doesn't have a "super computer". But we also know that, if you want to play the new games that are being developed for PC, you're going to need a decent computer to run them. Plus, most of the people who are dedicated PC gamers, which make up most of the MMO population, take pride in their computers and don't mind putting money into their rigs. Just like any other system (PS3, XboX, ect..) you need to spend money to play good games.
Is what I posted realy that bad !!!, i had to re-read every line of my post 5 times to see what is pissing you people off and I just can't see why. The only thing I could think of is that I will not waste hours of my time on details of games that are not even out yet. I did this with Vanguard and will never do it again.
I bought a new expensive front end loader washing machine one time because it was highly advertised, guess what It sucked, and you don't see it in stores anymore.
Well I guess insulted everyone for studying both games, for that I'm sorry, I guess it's something to do like anything else. but I still don't see how I'm wrong in giving my opinion on lower end graphics may be the way to go.
If you have a shit comp then get a better one, if you wanna play AoC and your comp won't play it get a better one, if you wanna play War and your comp won't play it get a better one......
Don't post your specs up your post was pointless....
Hmm... Mark my words, I certainly don't want to offend you. You should give some time to re-read and then re-write when you're writting something, it might be helpful for others to understand you better.
Anyway this is a pointless thread in my humble opinion - we had so many WAR vs WoW threads and now it seems we're getting more and more WAR vs AoC. This is the reason why I'm writting all this.
My friend that's the only thing you're going to get by making a thread like this one.
I think I did figure out what you were trying to express and I could understand why you're questioning yourself (not that I share your views, quite the opposite actually).
Please do correct me if I'm wrong and don't get offend (like I stated earlier, I'm not here for that, I'm actually spending my time on this thread).
Is this what you were trying to say?
--> "People having great rigs or not, WAR has more or less good graphics, as in AoC has better graphics but then again who's going to be better WAR or AoC? Putting Vanguard as an example (hugh?), forgetting that AoC and WAR aren't finnished yet, stating that WOW has the best graphics around, etc etc..."
Knowing Elvenangel and Zeelot, for example, if they commented the way they did is probably due to
what you've said (or what you've said in a whole) so please do think about it, maybe?.. No? Are you sure?Alright then...
Well like I said I understand your concerns but it's pointless simply because the games aren't out yet and like Elvenangel said AoC and WAR are for totally diferent kinds of gamers and yes we do hope that they will be successful (and they will).
It's tirying so see the same threads again and again... just make a "search" on General Discussion and you'll find out for yourself, happy reading if you're not that lazy.
90% solo players? That's great, too bad 99.9% of forum statistics are made up.
"There is as yet insufficient data for a meaningful answer."
Grom " mark my words I'm not trying to offend you " but you did about ten times in your reply, so that cancels out any attempt of being the nice helpful guy.
Let me back up a little and explain why War will have a better chance" IN MY OPINION".
Just before I created this post, I viewed a clip of Age of Conan called Dungeon Crawl Cam, its a post from someone from the AoC forum giving links.
AT first glance it was a very enjoyable video, but after I viewed it, I felt that I had to open up my mind and think clearly and honestly. Will everyone in my party be able to play this Dungeon, will two of my five or six party members continuously crash and lag ? How about me, can I even play this ?
Everyone should take stuff like this in to account, I would like to pick the more fun game also, but stuff such as this could turn AoC into a dead game in one month's time.
This is only a POSSIBILITY, a GUESS, an OPINION, something that EVERY topic on mmorpg consist of !
A lot of you people are just nasty, I'm the type that would help the guy that's holding up the party, In my OPINION. I'm starting to think a lot of you would be the first to kick him, but thats only my OPINION.
That being said, I'm not entirely sure I understand what you are trying to say? Are you talking about Hardware-Requirements? There's been a bunch of threads about that being the downfall of AoC already. Or about Server-Lag? Well, that's something every MMO has to deal with and from watching videos of -both- Games, I wouldn#t say either has the advantage over the other so far, meaning, I've seen lag issues in both games and both have to polish that up.
If it's not one of those two, what exactly is your point? Please clarify.
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The OP mentions lag quite a bit.
I guess my question would be.. played DAoC lately? When they do have what in todays population is a minor keep siege (as opposed to when hibernia quite often brought 300 people to a fight on gareth) the lag can be bad... very bad.
So I'm not sure I see WAR as not having this problem anymore than I see AoC having to "have" this issue.
Many FPS games can look gorgeous but.. most people don't use those video settings if they go to a LAN..
I honestly don't know if WAR or AoC will be better or worse. They could be equally good or equally suck.
Altho I guess I'm a tad in *ponder* mode after SCI/Eidos made the little announcement they did about layoffs etc..
Since they are the publisher for AoC... Obviously it doesn't affect what Funcom is doing but... If the company set to publish your game is having financial issues.. that could affect your game being out and about.
Oh well.
Oh and I'd probably lean more towards AoC as being the game for me... but I'm really starting to not want to play MMO's at all anymore.
I also believe WAR will have the advantage over AOC. That's not to say AC is bad I hasten to add, but as others have pointed out, it is not as solo freindly (and therefore casual player freindly) as WAR is. It wasn't an accident that Mythic designed the game this way. They are trying to make a game that appeals to a lot of people (dare I say many millions? ) and in my opinion they have succeeded.
When the devs said in one of their podcasts that they weren't just making a game but were making a hobby, I think they understated the case. When I find an MMO that I love, I tend to play it to death. I stop buying other games altogether, and years later I start looking for the next one. With WAR, there really might not EVER be a next one for me. I like what I see/hear about it THAT much.
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They are both going to do fine in my opinion. I have to wonder though where people assume one game is more solo friendly, or casual friendly than the other? I stopped reading the AoC forums here because there is a not many complaints that should warrant a complaint. People bash things without really knowing what they are talking about.
Then I go to the official boards, where most of you should go for information to begin with, and when somebody sees that I am in WAR beta and have logged many hours according to my xfire, he tries to tell me that WAR will never see the light of day because they are being sued by Blizzard for copyright infringement ! Can you believe that? A bold faced lie that he tried telling to me as if it were a fact. And the same thing happens here. I have played AoC at two conventions and the same with WAR, along with WAR beta.
So now I ask these questions:
1) Who said one is more solo friendly than the other?
2) Who said one runs better than the other?
This one is going to be better than the other talk and speculation is stupid and some of the dumbest drivel topics posted on any forums. Everyone is going to have an opinion and no statement you make about one being better will ever be a fact. There will always be people who think AoC is better. There will always be people who think WAR is better. Why make topics like this while also knowing that these threads are all over the place on this site? It is majority speculation and minority fact. It is senseless.
Which game has a better chance of what? Both games have their advantages and both will probably "succeed".
I think WAR targets the current crop of people who have a legitimate and genuine dislike of World of Warcraft and what has been done to the game. WoW is an amazing game for what it is, but the developers have really steered that game down a path that I think is going to leave a lot of people disappointed. A lot of people I know said they wouldn't mind a game like WoW but with better PvP. I think this is where WAR comes in. While I'm not calling it a clone, it is obvious they will be targeting the same type of MMO player. The next WoW expansion to me brings more of the same old crap. After everyone and their mom becomes a Death Knight, I think people will still have that empty feeling inside. This gives Mythic an opportunity to syphon off a lot of players.
On the other side of thing you have Age of Conan. Age of Conan will probably not have the initial mass appeal that a game like warhammer has. While the graphics of AoC are a ways beyond WAR, it will also foster the concern of what type of system will be needed to play it. To the AoC devs credit, they are claiming that if you can run Oblivion on the highest settings, you should be fine. It doesn't take a super computer by today's standards to that, but we won't know the validity of this until open beta or the NDA comes off. Age of Conan does bring something to the table that WAR doesn't, something that is often over looked - FFA PVP ruleset servers.
Will either of these be a WoW killer? No way. Even if every non-farmer account was cancelled from WoW, the amount of farmers would still make their subscription rival that of most of the current MMORPG's on the market today. But with these 2 games coming down the pipe, it looks like for the first time in a long time, the one with the best "chances" will be us the players regardless of which game you end up in. The dry spell is hopefully at its end.
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90% solo players? That's great, too bad 99.9% of forum statistics are made up.
ROFL, awesome rhetort. When I played EQ in 2001, 5% of players were soloers; and 5% were raiders. I personally think games that are very solo-friendly are, by definition, easier. As a result, everyone reaches the level cap faster, and gets bored with the game. I would LOVE to know the tenure of WoW. I personally think WoW is mostly a revolving door of new players. The long term players are probably little kids that would annoy the shit out of me.
To the OP, I have to agree with you on some level. If two dev teams are equally talented and putting forth the same effort, you can assume the one with better graphics will have weaker gameplay or less content; more time spent on graphics means less time spent on gameplay/content. I absolutely hate how every MMO after EQ has been a facade. Pretty buildings do not impress me when you can not go into them! I want a world I can explore, not just look at from the outside.
I Loathed EQ2 (and the current zone revamps in EQ) for that very reason (facades). POBS had the same problem. Vanguard, for all its fault, was NOT a facade; it was a game world you could truly explore. Too bad Vanguard was made extremely easy (and linear) thanks to the simpleton task/quest system. If, instead, Vanguard had EQ style quests, the game would have retained a much bigger following.
I know why the trend is to make beautiful facades. Because screen shots sell games. You see an awesome castle and buy the game only to learn you can't explore that castle since it is merely an empty shell.
Luckily, i don't need you to like me to enjoy video games. -nariusseldon.
In F2P I think it's more a case of the game's trying to play the player's. -laserit
I honestly hope they both suceed. The more games that suceed, the more games that will be produced, and the larger selection players will have to suit their specific tastes.
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[quote by Arclan] I personally think games that are very solo-friendly are, by definition, easier. [/quote]
Hmmm, well I'm not sure about that, but WAR will be solo and casual gamer freindly. It has to be if you think about it. Mythic have made it so we can all level doing pvp only if we want, and pvp can be done solo if you just join in with big zerg-like fighting or sniping if you're ranged. Although the game is optimised around group pvp, you are not forced to group up. The same goes with the PVE side of things. There are group encounters such as lairs and what not, but there is also plenty of content for the solo player... though PQs seem to be solo, they are actually not (the groupingis automated for you). The tome stuff and other PVE seems set up for solo fun as well.
The stuff I have read about AOC, rightly or wrongly, makes me think that a lot of its content is designed to be completed by groups and larger guilds. Not saying its wrong, but it IS a different path to WAR' s in my opinion. Things like player built towns are a big part of the game I think?? THey will surely need to be done by guilds.
Anyway, both games will be good. I just think WAR will be better for me. I have to work for a living, so I would class myself as only a semi-casual player. I can play a lot of hours weekends, but I am very limited on weekdays. I think WAR will be more forgiving of my schedule, while still making play worthwhile.
Someone commented that a lot of people would love WOW a lot more if it had WAR's RvR. I think I might be one of those people in a way. I always liked WOW's graphic style. I think it looks nice, though it seems unfashionable to say that "out loud" these days If Blizzard removed most of the grinding, added real openworld RvR (not jast a facsimile), added something like the Tome, and keeps (keeps FTW!!) Then I think it would be perfect... oh wait, I just described WAR
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I really liked the EQ2 graphics, but couldn't play WoW because I could never get into the cartoony graphics.
I like paying in groups, especially PUG's, but dont' really get into raiding, or building guild halls, or stuff like that.
While I disagree with the OPs style, I am also very concerned about his major point. War and AoC both could turn out as disastrously as Vanguard did. AoC shooting for spectacular graphics and leaving the majority of players out in the cold. I don't know much about War except they should be much more PC friendly. This doesn't stop the fact that almost everything we know comes from the marketting departments of those 2 MMOs, just like Sigil did. The people that spoke out against Vanguard initially were so negative and venomous nobody believed them. The lack of NDA breakers of both War and AoC make me wonder either the game is so great nobody wants to risk it, or they have almost no beta testers.
Yeah Its possible they both could fail miserably.
Im not neccesarily anti AoC, but I too beleive that WAR will be a solid game. Im not sure if it will have more subscribers than AoC nor do I care. Each game will appeal to different crowds.
BUT the one thing that encourages me about WAR and would make me nervous if I was a AoC fan is the fact that right now I can find dozens of dozens of gameplay videos of WARHAMMER, each time I find a newer video the game looks more polished and better whereas the ammount of AoC gameplay videos are far and few between.
Both companies are making alot of promises, but its easier to beleive what I can see, and Mythic is showing me alot more.
Gillvane1, You believe EQ2 graphics are better than WoW and you could be right, I was not trying to offend anyone or start an argument. maybe graphics are not what I was trying to say, I think its more tarrain layout more than graphics that WoW has on most games. When I played Lotro, and got to the city of Bree is when I first realized whats wrong with a lot of MMO's. You can't even go in most of the buildings, "I'm like what " do I have to check every door in Bree to see what one's I can ? This got me thinking about many of the games that seemed dull and was unable to put my finger on it until I also relized that most are on a flat plane. i don't design games but I'm sure thats the easy way out.
I like when your in the outside world and there are times that you find your self trapped among cliffs and have to fight your way out. Tibula Rasa solved this problem but at a price of finding yourself unable to climb some hills and harder ones you can, you never know untill you try. You can't seem to flow.
Warhammer clips seem to be well done as far as I can see, but AoC is beautiful and lush but I can't tell if if your lead down paths often, I'm not sure I'm guessing let me say that again I'm GUESSING maybe others have some insite on this ?
In the end, AoC if handled properly will have a niche of players but honestly from the reports between the two games in closed beta I am pretty sure WAR will be ontop.
I actually think Warcraft graphics are better than EQ2(at release). They are more graphical, more colorful, easier to look at. It is a game, if I think it needs to be more realistic, I'll go look out a window, or go outside. Making a game to be compared to Mother Nature is asking for disappointment.
While I dont like the style that wow has, I must admit that they make the most of their rather low polygon count. Their artists are rather good.
War is a bit less cartoony and more dark, but still in the same genre of graphics as wow. This is mainly because wow copy/pasted the warhammer lore.
While war might resemble wow on the artistic side, the gamemechanics are very different. War focuses on RvR and wow focuses on PvE. War has an actual endgame that doesnt seem boring.
AoC has some interesting combat features and graphics that can challenge the majority of computers. The style is more true to life - not cartoony.
I cant really compare AoC to WoW or WAR because AoC is so different than anything I have seen yet. However I do have some concerns about AoC being another Vanguard. All they ever talk about is graphics!
I know a lot of people wont compare WoW with WAR, but its just so tempting.
Until proven otherwise about my AoC concerns, my list would be like this:
WAR > WoW > AoC
And yes I think WAR will have a better chance than AoC solely by the fact of the system requirements.