The LEGEND of Darkfall. People will still be talking about this game 20 years from now, and still hoping beta starts soon.
Nah youre wrong. It will more likely be talk and praising about the legendary Darkfall, the game that started a new genre in MMORPG:s, far away from the crappy similar carebear games that flooded the market in the first years of new century.
Wow....and people call me a fanboi.
Seriously mate. I wish you the best of luck with Darkfall, but after checking out their site, as well as the Developers site, I am more than skeptical. Considering the fact that the game has nothing more than a few screenies and even less videos plus a load of empty promises so far, it is amazing how the fanbase of this game has the guts to talk down other games that are close to releasing.
I'm not talking down Darkfall, but there have been tons of games that have promised features and gameplay everyone slobbered after, but the games have been scrubbed, changed or delayed to death. What makes -you- so sure Darkfall will be different?
Both failed to deliver? Darkfall is still in production, noone knows if they will fail to deliver before the game is released, troll.
The original release date was 2003. So they have already missed their release date by 5 years. And they are still in alpha. I would call that failing to deliver
The LEGEND of Darkfall. People will still be talking about this game 20 years from now, and still hoping beta starts soon.
Nah youre wrong. It will more likely be talk and praising about the legendary Darkfall, the game that started a new genre in MMORPG:s, far away from the crappy similar carebear games that flooded the market in the first years of new century.
Wow....and people call me a fanboi.
Seriously mate. I wish you the best of luck with Darkfall, but after checking out their site, as well as the Developers site, I am more than skeptical. Considering the fact that the game has nothing more than a few screenies and even less videos plus a load of empty promises so far, it is amazing how the fanbase of this game has the guts to talk down other games that are close to releasing.
I'm not talking down Darkfall, but there have been tons of games that have promised features and gameplay everyone slobbered after, but the games have been scrubbed, changed or delayed to death. What makes -you- so sure Darkfall will be different?
Very easy answered. Are you aware of the differenties btw large and small developing teams and the time it takes to finish a product? Just compare Blizzards game WoW which is compared to Aventurines game Darkfall a very easy game to develop. Compare the features and compare the graphics btw these games.
Understand then that Darkfall world is handcrafted into the last detail to make as much variation as possible ingame. Imagine the time it take to make the biggest online map by hand!! WoW took 6 years to develop and Aventurine is on there 5:th year today after they rewamped the game more or less 2003. For example, a new game graphic engine. Smaller companies have to prioritate differently then the large ones. I suggest you read up a bit on Darkfall since you dont have all information on the game. This quote from Tasos explains a bit how Aventurine prioritate. From developer journal 22.
[QUOTE]Community: why has Darkfall had such a hard time securing a solid publisher and with the impending release of both age of Conan and Warhammer online aren't you concerned that the game will be unable to maintain a self sustaining profitable player base considering that the other games have giant budgets and giant advertising campaigns.
Tasos Flambouras: In very simple terms, its not so much as Darkfall having a hard time securing a publisher as it is that publishers have had a hard time securing Darkfall. l explain: We do have the capability to self-publish, so the competition to any publishing offer, aside from other offers, is our own plan for self-publication. In our self-publishing scheme we hire the same services that most publishers use so in effect "cutting out the middleman" is usually to our advantage, especially since as a newcomer in the gaming industry its rare to get a fantastic deal. Furthermore, getting a publishing deal isnt crucial to us in regards to development, and we wont just jump at offers. We have the "luxury" to try to do whats best for the game in this context. That being said, we have been and still are in discussions with publishers who present a good and viable alternative to our self-publishing plan.
Giant budgets and giant advertising campaigns demand giant paydays. We definitely dont need to be a World of Warcraft killer to be successful, but the same may not be true about some of the other games in development. When faced with the question of budget allocation we decided that its more important for us to first make as good a game as possible and then to market it on its merit. The opposite doesnt work in the long run, and quality would be compromised by taking some of the development resources and throwing them into marketing so were betting everything on our strength. We couldnt compete with some of the large titles when it comes to marketing since it all comes down to dollars and cents, but we can still make one hell of a game.[/QUOTE]
I agree its way more important to make as a good game as possible first then start some promoting/advertising. To do it in any other way would be just plain stupid, if youre a small company with limited funds. Thats why you dont see a topclass website yet. They stated before that when theyre more or less done with the game they will deliver a website worthy a game like Darkfall. The approach differs alot btw how large companies like Blizzard promote their games and how a small company like Aventurine SA does it.
Well, that all sounds lovely. It really does. Let me repeat, I really hope it works out for you fans in the end.
The fact however remains that the Darkfall Dev Team has nothing to show their community except what I mentioned earlier after 5 years of development.
And all you have is their word that it is for the reasons they state. That is a whole lot of faith placed in them right there. And considering fans of other games get bashed on a regular basis because they believe regular development updates on their game, backed by screenshots and videos and the like, it is easy to see why people come down on Darkfall as they do, isn't it?
Let me put it simply: You have faith in your game. I admire that, but it is -just- that. Faith. No proof, no tangible evidence, no hard facts. Just words from the developers, backed by nothing except your good faith.
The problem goes much deeper then this. Im forced to wait for DF, even if i dont want to. I come from sandbox MMOs. So its very hard to play anything lesse then that.
I still remember the first time i tryed a non sandbox MMO (WoW): I logged in and stood and wondered what i would do. Then some other player told me to go and kill some wolfs.I replyed i didnt feel to kill some wolfs, i wanted to explore instead. Then the other players told me i had to kill the wolfs. For me that sounded very strange. Then i was told there were "quests" i had to do. But i didnt want to do "quests", i wanted to play the game.
Now you quickly see were this did lead to.
And now we see why i have to wait for another sandbox MMO. Some players maybe even not understand how it is to have player freedom from the first login. If you want to craft, you begin to craft. You dont have to kill anything for one year if you dont want to.
So until something similar shows up......im stuck waiting for DF : (
Well, that all sounds lovely. It really does. Let me repeat, I really hope it works out for you fans in the end.
The fact however remains that the Darkfall Dev Team has nothing to show their community except what I mentioned earlier after 5 years of development.
And all you have is their word that it is for the reasons they state. That is a whole lot of faith placed in them right there. And considering fans of other games get bashed on a regular basis because they believe regular development updates on their game, backed by screenshots and videos and the like, it is easy to see why people come down on Darkfall as they do, isn't it?
Let me put it simply: You have faith in your game. I admire that, but it is -just- that. Faith. No proof, no tangible evidence, no hard facts. Just words from the developers, backed by nothing except your good faith.
Thank you. Yes i have faith. And i can back that faith up with an understanding that a smaller company with less funds have a totally different approach to promoting then the larger ones have. You wont have the same hype from a small company as compared with AoC and WoW. And i dont mind.
I think their approach of putting all the workload on making the game as good as possible first is the way to go. But of course, even more hardcore proof of how far they developed the game would be appreciated, and i can understand the sceptics to a certain amount. Id like to see more videos of ingame battles with loads of NPC:s and dungeons, mob fighting, horseback fighting, fighting at sea and crafting. But im patient. When developers have made the game as good as they can im sure we will see a more proffesional website suitable a game like Darkfall and loads of videos of the games different features.
For me Darkfall represents something new and fresh, a mix of many games that is perfect for my gameplay. If i made a game myself it would probably be very much like Darkfall.
The problem goes much deeper then this. Im forced to wait for DF, even if i dont want to. I come from sandbox MMOs. So its very hard to play anything lesse then that. I still remember the first time i tryed a non sandbox MMO (WoW): I logged in and stood and wondered what i would do. Then some other player told me to go and kill some wolfs.I replyed i didnt feel to kill some wolfs, i wanted to explore instead. Then the other players told me i had to kill the wolfs. For me that sounded very strange. Then i was told there were "quests" i had to do. But i didnt want to do "quests", i wanted to play the game. Now you quickly see were this did lead to. And now we see why i have to wait for another sandbox MMO. Some players maybe even not understand how it is to have player freedom from the first login. If you want to craft, you begin to craft. You dont have to kill anything for one year if you dont want to. So until something similar shows up......im stuck waiting for DF : (
Thats very well put id say. I feel the same way, i wanna play the game as i want, not being forced into some game mechanics that forces me to play in a certain way. Its about player freedom, doing whatever you feel to do.
Almost all of us, me for one, would like to play a sandbox MMORPG with absolute freedom. Question is: is Darkfall that game ? I have no prejudice toward small companies or new untested enterprises (I bought Vanguard at the time...). But, Houston we've a problem. Here we have no proof even at the effective progress of the game (no that video is old and isn't even that encouraging). Aventurine doesn't even show up at conventions or fan-only meetings anymore to show anything "alive".
Even trusting Aventurine's honesty I understand the doubts of whoever fears the game will never see the light. This wouldn't be the first time that a small company begins too big a project for its real talents and funding. Hope is legitimate but "faith" in darkfall at the moment would be a lot out of touch with reality. I reserve my Faith for more serious things.
Maybe we all are right. A Darkfall game exists and it's no vaporware but couldn't never be born because of too much ambition and too few ways and means. And this is very sad.
Well, that all sounds lovely. It really does. Let me repeat, I really hope it works out for you fans in the end.
The fact however remains that the Darkfall Dev Team has nothing to show their community except what I mentioned earlier after 5 years of development.
And all you have is their word that it is for the reasons they state. That is a whole lot of faith placed in them right there. And considering fans of other games get bashed on a regular basis because they believe regular development updates on their game, backed by screenshots and videos and the like, it is easy to see why people come down on Darkfall as they do, isn't it?
Let me put it simply: You have faith in your game. I admire that, but it is -just- that. Faith. No proof, no tangible evidence, no hard facts. Just words from the developers, backed by nothing except your good faith.
I rarely post on here, but I just had to after reading this.. Your argument that I quoted could easily apply to a lot more than just Darkfall. Take out the gaming lingo and throw in talk of religion. There's no tangible evidence that any sort of higher powers actually exist except a few scraps of paper here and there, and they too could've just been crafted by scheming 'developers'.
I just had to point that out, as I was laughing as I thought of that while reading.
However, back to the topic of Darkfall. Yes, you're right. All of us fans of Darkfall have nothing but faith, hope, dreams of a better tomorrow, whatever you'd prefer to call it. But I'm sure as hell gonna keep my eye open just incase. I've nearly left the gaming scene due to the crap being made nowadays. I start playing a new game and already know how. I'd honestly prefer to play Pokemon or Zelda on the NES. Hell, I'd take Duck Hunt over any of the 'Top MMOs' currently listed on this site. Everything's damn near the same, give and take some graphicsfeatures and switch around the names of whatever. It's been a LONG time since I've actually enjoyed a game. A nearly dead 'genre',if you will, of games such as Ultima Online and Shadowbane that truely got your adrenaline pumping with intense and open PvP action seem like a thing of the past. Yet amongst a dark cloud of same ol' cookie cutter mmos in the shape of carebears and rainbows, there's a glimmer of light for gamers such as myself called Darkfall. Promising everything I've dreamed of for years, it's the one reason I still keep up with games at all. I just have a glass that's half-full, I guess. So, I'm definitely hoping for the best with this game, even if it has been a longgg time since I first heard of it. It's been an even longggger time since I first dreamed of it. If this one inparticular doesn't come out, I'm hoping atleast some developers of upcoming games look at the features and how much they make the fans drool. If that doesn't happen, well.. I've presumably still got a long life ahead of me, might just pick up game development as my new hobby, since I don't have anything to play.
But yeah, even if it's not much, faith is enough to keep me going. There's millions of religious people out there investing a lot more of their lives than just occasionally checking websites for updates, also purely based on faith, so I don't think it's too farfetched for us to have faith in a game, or at the very least, it's ideas.
Well, that all sounds lovely. It really does. Let me repeat, I really hope it works out for you fans in the end.
The fact however remains that the Darkfall Dev Team has nothing to show their community except what I mentioned earlier after 5 years of development.
And all you have is their word that it is for the reasons they state. That is a whole lot of faith placed in them right there. And considering fans of other games get bashed on a regular basis because they believe regular development updates on their game, backed by screenshots and videos and the like, it is easy to see why people come down on Darkfall as they do, isn't it?
Let me put it simply: You have faith in your game. I admire that, but it is -just- that. Faith. No proof, no tangible evidence, no hard facts. Just words from the developers, backed by nothing except your good faith.
I rarely post on here, but I just had to after reading this.. Your argument that I quoted could easily apply to a lot more than just Darkfall. Take out the gaming lingo and throw in talk of religion. There's no tangible evidence that any sort of higher powers actually exist except a few scraps of paper here and there, and they too could've just been crafted by scheming 'developers'.
I just had to point that out, as I was laughing as I thought of that while reading.
However, back to the topic of Darkfall. Yes, you're right. All of us fans of Darkfall have nothing but faith, hope, dreams of a better tomorrow, whatever you'd prefer to call it. But I'm sure as hell gonna keep my eye open just incase. I've nearly left the gaming scene due to the crap being made nowadays. I start playing a new game and already know how. I'd honestly prefer to play Pokemon or Zelda on the NES. Hell, I'd take Duck Hunt over any of the 'Top MMOs' currently listed on this site. Everything's damn near the same, give and take some graphicsfeatures and switch around the names of whatever. It's been a LONG time since I've actually enjoyed a game. A nearly dead 'genre',if you will, of games such as Ultima Online and Shadowbane that truely got your adrenaline pumping with intense and open PvP action seem like a thing of the past. Yet amongst a dark cloud of same ol' cookie cutter mmos in the shape of carebears and rainbows, there's a glimmer of light for gamers such as myself called Darkfall. Promising everything I've dreamed of for years, it's the one reason I still keep up with games at all. I just have a glass that's half-full, I guess. So, I'm definitely hoping for the best with this game, even if it has been a longgg time since I first heard of it. It's been an even longggger time since I first dreamed of it. If this one inparticular doesn't come out, I'm hoping atleast some developers of upcoming games look at the features and how much they make the fans drool. If that doesn't happen, well.. I've presumably still got a long life ahead of me, might just pick up game development as my new hobby, since I don't have anything to play.
But yeah, even if it's not much, faith is enough to keep me going. There's millions of religious people out there investing a lot more of their lives than just occasionally checking websites for updates, also purely based on faith, so I don't think it's too farfetched for us to have faith in a game, or at the very least, it's ideas.
Comparing a Religion to an MMO? Be careful, you might anger people with that.
Anyway, I never said having faith is a bad thing. maybe you misread my post, but all I tried to explain was why people might not be too ready to believe Darkfall is the second coming (to stay with the religious note). Add to that, that there have been games before which have promised all these great features, innovative systems and superb graphics and gameplay and they all never saw the light, or if they did, they were not what they had once promised to be.
But, let me repeat, I do not say having faith is a bad thing. As I said before, I wish you the best of luck. That doesn't mean I subscribe to your faith. And I am guessing I am not alone in that.
Well, that all sounds lovely. It really does. Let me repeat, I really hope it works out for you fans in the end.
The fact however remains that the Darkfall Dev Team has nothing to show their community except what I mentioned earlier after 5 years of development.
And all you have is their word that it is for the reasons they state. That is a whole lot of faith placed in them right there. And considering fans of other games get bashed on a regular basis because they believe regular development updates on their game, backed by screenshots and videos and the like, it is easy to see why people come down on Darkfall as they do, isn't it?
Let me put it simply: You have faith in your game. I admire that, but it is -just- that. Faith. No proof, no tangible evidence, no hard facts. Just words from the developers, backed by nothing except your good faith.
I rarely post on here, but I just had to after reading this.. Your argument that I quoted could easily apply to a lot more than just Darkfall. Take out the gaming lingo and throw in talk of religion. There's no tangible evidence that any sort of higher powers actually exist except a few scraps of paper here and there, and they too could've just been crafted by scheming 'developers'.
I just had to point that out, as I was laughing as I thought of that while reading.
However, back to the topic of Darkfall. Yes, you're right. All of us fans of Darkfall have nothing but faith, hope, dreams of a better tomorrow, whatever you'd prefer to call it. But I'm sure as hell gonna keep my eye open just incase. I've nearly left the gaming scene due to the crap being made nowadays. I start playing a new game and already know how. I'd honestly prefer to play Pokemon or Zelda on the NES. Hell, I'd take Duck Hunt over any of the 'Top MMOs' currently listed on this site. Everything's damn near the same, give and take some graphicsfeatures and switch around the names of whatever. It's been a LONG time since I've actually enjoyed a game. A nearly dead 'genre',if you will, of games such as Ultima Online and Shadowbane that truely got your adrenaline pumping with intense and open PvP action seem like a thing of the past. Yet amongst a dark cloud of same ol' cookie cutter mmos in the shape of carebears and rainbows, there's a glimmer of light for gamers such as myself called Darkfall. Promising everything I've dreamed of for years, it's the one reason I still keep up with games at all. I just have a glass that's half-full, I guess. So, I'm definitely hoping for the best with this game, even if it has been a longgg time since I first heard of it. It's been an even longggger time since I first dreamed of it. If this one inparticular doesn't come out, I'm hoping atleast some developers of upcoming games look at the features and how much they make the fans drool. If that doesn't happen, well.. I've presumably still got a long life ahead of me, might just pick up game development as my new hobby, since I don't have anything to play.
But yeah, even if it's not much, faith is enough to keep me going. There's millions of religious people out there investing a lot more of their lives than just occasionally checking websites for updates, also purely based on faith, so I don't think it's too farfetched for us to have faith in a game, or at the very least, it's ideas.
Comparing a Religion to an MMO? Be careful, you might anger people with that.
Anyway, I never said having faith is a bad thing. maybe you misread my post, but all I tried to explain was why people might not be too ready to believe Darkfall is the second coming (to stay with the religious note). Add to that, that there have been games before which have promised all these great features, innovative systems and superb graphics and gameplay and they all never saw the light, or if they did, they were not what they had once promised to be.
But, let me repeat, I do not say having faith is a bad thing. As I said before, I wish you the best of luck. That doesn't mean I subscribe to your faith. And I am guessing I am not alone in that.
Yeah, I wasn't trying to take a jab at you or anything. Just while reading, it popped in my head thinking that I was reading something about religion and kinda made me laugh, cause yeah we are just talking about an MMO. I also realized that could anger people, which is why I kept the religious references brief lol.
I've also seen a few come and go myself, though.. 'Chronicle' being one of them, paid an early subscription fee and all, then a few screenshots and promises later, I had that fee refunded because they decided to drop the project. That communtiy probably stood in about the same shoes as the fans of Darkfall do now.
I'm not even saying that I really believe that Darkfall will come out, I've been skeptical and impatient myself. I still really hope that it does, though. If it was released and delivered on even half of it's promises, I'd be thrilled! But yeah, I'm impatiently waiting and checking up on any progress that may or may not have been made or even reported on, just in case. Was in the Beta for Shadowbane and I expected a lot more from it as well, in the end it was disappointing compared to my dreams, but still very thrilling compared to anything else available. I just have high hopes, heh.
But yeah, I apologize if that came off as a jab, I knew you weren't trying to crush anyone's hopes and dreams, just felt like pointing out a few things.
So as far as Myth or Legend? I've got my doubts as well, but I'm hoping for the best or at the very least other developers taking notes while reading about the features Darkfall has promised.
Darkfall is neither a myth nor a legend.. but rather an epic series that goes on and on and.. you get the idea
..completely off topic but what's with the blue on black - makes my eyes bleed. Colouring may draw people's attention to your post for a moment only to skip onto the next.
And the blue on black was me accidentally clicking the font color button and it not letting me set it back to automatic. It was annoying me too, I'm still in edit mode trying to fix that lol
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Eh, it won't go default but it's better atleast.
Anyways, yeah.. I really hope for the best with Darkfall or atleast it's ideas, until then I'll be in my corner playing NES and waiting for something worth a damn, most likely. Unless I come across any free-to-play pvp oriented MMOs that I haven't seen yet. But, if I ever pay for another game, It'll be for something along the lines of what I'm hoping Darkfall could, would, might, may, or hopefully will be, assuming that it's ever anything more than an idea.
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Wow....and people call me a fanboi.Nah youre wrong. It will more likely be talk and praising about the legendary Darkfall, the game that started a new genre in MMORPG:s, far away from the crappy similar carebear games that flooded the market in the first years of new century.
Seriously mate. I wish you the best of luck with Darkfall, but after checking out their site, as well as the Developers site, I am more than skeptical. Considering the fact that the game has nothing more than a few screenies and even less videos plus a load of empty promises so far, it is amazing how the fanbase of this game has the guts to talk down other games that are close to releasing.
I'm not talking down Darkfall, but there have been tons of games that have promised features and gameplay everyone slobbered after, but the games have been scrubbed, changed or delayed to death. What makes -you- so sure Darkfall will be different?
Which Final Fantasy Character Are You?
Final Fantasy 7
The original release date was 2003. So they have already missed their release date by 5 years. And they are still in alpha. I would call that failing to deliver
Wow....and people call me a fanboi.Nah youre wrong. It will more likely be talk and praising about the legendary Darkfall, the game that started a new genre in MMORPG:s, far away from the crappy similar carebear games that flooded the market in the first years of new century.
Seriously mate. I wish you the best of luck with Darkfall, but after checking out their site, as well as the Developers site, I am more than skeptical. Considering the fact that the game has nothing more than a few screenies and even less videos plus a load of empty promises so far, it is amazing how the fanbase of this game has the guts to talk down other games that are close to releasing.
I'm not talking down Darkfall, but there have been tons of games that have promised features and gameplay everyone slobbered after, but the games have been scrubbed, changed or delayed to death. What makes -you- so sure Darkfall will be different?
Very easy answered. Are you aware of the differenties btw large and small developing teams and the time it takes to finish a product? Just compare Blizzards game WoW which is compared to Aventurines game Darkfall a very easy game to develop. Compare the features and compare the graphics btw these games.
Understand then that Darkfall world is handcrafted into the last detail to make as much variation as possible ingame. Imagine the time it take to make the biggest online map by hand!! WoW took 6 years to develop and Aventurine is on there 5:th year today after they rewamped the game more or less 2003. For example, a new game graphic engine. Smaller companies have to prioritate differently then the large ones. I suggest you read up a bit on Darkfall since you dont have all information on the game. This quote from Tasos explains a bit how Aventurine prioritate. From developer journal 22.
[QUOTE]Community: why has Darkfall had such a hard time securing a solid publisher and with the impending release of both age of Conan and Warhammer online aren't you concerned that the game will be unable to maintain a self sustaining profitable player base considering that the other games have giant budgets and giant advertising campaigns.
Tasos Flambouras: In very simple terms, its not so much as Darkfall having a hard time securing a publisher as it is that publishers have had a hard time securing Darkfall. l explain: We do have the capability to self-publish, so the competition to any publishing offer, aside from other offers, is our own plan for self-publication. In our self-publishing scheme we hire the same services that most publishers use so in effect "cutting out the middleman" is usually to our advantage, especially since as a newcomer in the gaming industry its rare to get a fantastic deal. Furthermore, getting a publishing deal isnt crucial to us in regards to development, and we wont just jump at offers. We have the "luxury" to try to do whats best for the game in this context. That being said, we have been and still are in discussions with publishers who present a good and viable alternative to our self-publishing plan.
Giant budgets and giant advertising campaigns demand giant paydays. We definitely dont need to be a World of Warcraft killer to be successful, but the same may not be true about some of the other games in development. When faced with the question of budget allocation we decided that its more important for us to first make as good a game as possible and then to market it on its merit. The opposite doesnt work in the long run, and quality would be compromised by taking some of the development resources and throwing them into marketing so were betting everything on our strength. We couldnt compete with some of the large titles when it comes to marketing since it all comes down to dollars and cents, but we can still make one hell of a game.[/QUOTE]
I agree its way more important to make as a good game as possible first then start some promoting/advertising. To do it in any other way would be just plain stupid, if youre a small company with limited funds. Thats why you dont see a topclass website yet. They stated before that when theyre more or less done with the game they will deliver a website worthy a game like Darkfall. The approach differs alot btw how large companies like Blizzard promote their games and how a small company like Aventurine SA does it.
Well, that all sounds lovely. It really does. Let me repeat, I really hope it works out for you fans in the end.
The fact however remains that the Darkfall Dev Team has nothing to show their community except what I mentioned earlier after 5 years of development.
And all you have is their word that it is for the reasons they state. That is a whole lot of faith placed in them right there. And considering fans of other games get bashed on a regular basis because they believe regular development updates on their game, backed by screenshots and videos and the like, it is easy to see why people come down on Darkfall as they do, isn't it?
Let me put it simply: You have faith in your game. I admire that, but it is -just- that. Faith. No proof, no tangible evidence, no hard facts. Just words from the developers, backed by nothing except your good faith.
Which Final Fantasy Character Are You?
Final Fantasy 7
The problem goes much deeper then this. Im forced to wait for DF, even if i dont want to. I come from sandbox MMOs. So its very hard to play anything lesse then that.
I still remember the first time i tryed a non sandbox MMO (WoW): I logged in and stood and wondered what i would do. Then some other player told me to go and kill some wolfs.I replyed i didnt feel to kill some wolfs, i wanted to explore instead. Then the other players told me i had to kill the wolfs. For me that sounded very strange. Then i was told there were "quests" i had to do. But i didnt want to do "quests", i wanted to play the game.
Now you quickly see were this did lead to.
And now we see why i have to wait for another sandbox MMO. Some players maybe even not understand how it is to have player freedom from the first login. If you want to craft, you begin to craft. You dont have to kill anything for one year if you dont want to.
So until something similar shows up......im stuck waiting for DF : (
Thank you. Yes i have faith. And i can back that faith up with an understanding that a smaller company with less funds have a totally different approach to promoting then the larger ones have. You wont have the same hype from a small company as compared with AoC and WoW. And i dont mind.
I think their approach of putting all the workload on making the game as good as possible first is the way to go. But of course, even more hardcore proof of how far they developed the game would be appreciated, and i can understand the sceptics to a certain amount. Id like to see more videos of ingame battles with loads of NPC:s and dungeons, mob fighting, horseback fighting, fighting at sea and crafting. But im patient. When developers have made the game as good as they can im sure we will see a more proffesional website suitable a game like Darkfall and loads of videos of the games different features.
For me Darkfall represents something new and fresh, a mix of many games that is perfect for my gameplay. If i made a game myself it would probably be very much like Darkfall.
Thats very well put id say. I feel the same way, i wanna play the game as i want, not being forced into some game mechanics that forces me to play in a certain way. Its about player freedom, doing whatever you feel to do.
I suppose there's a misunderstanding around here.
Almost all of us, me for one, would like to play a sandbox MMORPG with absolute freedom. Question is: is Darkfall that game ? I have no prejudice toward small companies or new untested enterprises (I bought Vanguard at the time...). But, Houston we've a problem. Here we have no proof even at the effective progress of the game (no that video is old and isn't even that encouraging). Aventurine doesn't even show up at conventions or fan-only meetings anymore to show anything "alive".
Even trusting Aventurine's honesty I understand the doubts of whoever fears the game will never see the light. This wouldn't be the first time that a small company begins too big a project for its real talents and funding. Hope is legitimate but "faith" in darkfall at the moment would be a lot out of touch with reality. I reserve my Faith for more serious things.
Maybe we all are right. A Darkfall game exists and it's no vaporware but couldn't never be born because of too much ambition and too few ways and means. And this is very sad.
Good luck, DF !
I rarely post on here, but I just had to after reading this.. Your argument that I quoted could easily apply to a lot more than just Darkfall. Take out the gaming lingo and throw in talk of religion. There's no tangible evidence that any sort of higher powers actually exist except a few scraps of paper here and there, and they too could've just been crafted by scheming 'developers'.
I just had to point that out, as I was laughing as I thought of that while reading.
However, back to the topic of Darkfall. Yes, you're right. All of us fans of Darkfall have nothing but faith, hope, dreams of a better tomorrow, whatever you'd prefer to call it. But I'm sure as hell gonna keep my eye open just incase. I've nearly left the gaming scene due to the crap being made nowadays. I start playing a new game and already know how. I'd honestly prefer to play Pokemon or Zelda on the NES. Hell, I'd take Duck Hunt over any of the 'Top MMOs' currently listed on this site. Everything's damn near the same, give and take some graphicsfeatures and switch around the names of whatever. It's been a LONG time since I've actually enjoyed a game. A nearly dead 'genre',if you will, of games such as Ultima Online and Shadowbane that truely got your adrenaline pumping with intense and open PvP action seem like a thing of the past. Yet amongst a dark cloud of same ol' cookie cutter mmos in the shape of carebears and rainbows, there's a glimmer of light for gamers such as myself called Darkfall. Promising everything I've dreamed of for years, it's the one reason I still keep up with games at all. I just have a glass that's half-full, I guess. So, I'm definitely hoping for the best with this game, even if it has been a longgg time since I first heard of it. It's been an even longggger time since I first dreamed of it. If this one inparticular doesn't come out, I'm hoping atleast some developers of upcoming games look at the features and how much they make the fans drool. If that doesn't happen, well.. I've presumably still got a long life ahead of me, might just pick up game development as my new hobby, since I don't have anything to play.
But yeah, even if it's not much, faith is enough to keep me going. There's millions of religious people out there investing a lot more of their lives than just occasionally checking websites for updates, also purely based on faith, so I don't think it's too farfetched for us to have faith in a game, or at the very least, it's ideas.
I rarely post on here, but I just had to after reading this.. Your argument that I quoted could easily apply to a lot more than just Darkfall. Take out the gaming lingo and throw in talk of religion. There's no tangible evidence that any sort of higher powers actually exist except a few scraps of paper here and there, and they too could've just been crafted by scheming 'developers'.
I just had to point that out, as I was laughing as I thought of that while reading.
However, back to the topic of Darkfall. Yes, you're right. All of us fans of Darkfall have nothing but faith, hope, dreams of a better tomorrow, whatever you'd prefer to call it. But I'm sure as hell gonna keep my eye open just incase. I've nearly left the gaming scene due to the crap being made nowadays. I start playing a new game and already know how. I'd honestly prefer to play Pokemon or Zelda on the NES. Hell, I'd take Duck Hunt over any of the 'Top MMOs' currently listed on this site. Everything's damn near the same, give and take some graphicsfeatures and switch around the names of whatever. It's been a LONG time since I've actually enjoyed a game. A nearly dead 'genre',if you will, of games such as Ultima Online and Shadowbane that truely got your adrenaline pumping with intense and open PvP action seem like a thing of the past. Yet amongst a dark cloud of same ol' cookie cutter mmos in the shape of carebears and rainbows, there's a glimmer of light for gamers such as myself called Darkfall. Promising everything I've dreamed of for years, it's the one reason I still keep up with games at all. I just have a glass that's half-full, I guess. So, I'm definitely hoping for the best with this game, even if it has been a longgg time since I first heard of it. It's been an even longggger time since I first dreamed of it. If this one inparticular doesn't come out, I'm hoping atleast some developers of upcoming games look at the features and how much they make the fans drool. If that doesn't happen, well.. I've presumably still got a long life ahead of me, might just pick up game development as my new hobby, since I don't have anything to play.
But yeah, even if it's not much, faith is enough to keep me going. There's millions of religious people out there investing a lot more of their lives than just occasionally checking websites for updates, also purely based on faith, so I don't think it's too farfetched for us to have faith in a game, or at the very least, it's ideas.
Comparing a Religion to an MMO? Be careful, you might anger people with that.Anyway, I never said having faith is a bad thing. maybe you misread my post, but all I tried to explain was why people might not be too ready to believe Darkfall is the second coming (to stay with the religious note). Add to that, that there have been games before which have promised all these great features, innovative systems and superb graphics and gameplay and they all never saw the light, or if they did, they were not what they had once promised to be.
But, let me repeat, I do not say having faith is a bad thing. As I said before, I wish you the best of luck. That doesn't mean I subscribe to your faith. And I am guessing I am not alone in that.
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I rarely post on here, but I just had to after reading this.. Your argument that I quoted could easily apply to a lot more than just Darkfall. Take out the gaming lingo and throw in talk of religion. There's no tangible evidence that any sort of higher powers actually exist except a few scraps of paper here and there, and they too could've just been crafted by scheming 'developers'.
I just had to point that out, as I was laughing as I thought of that while reading.
However, back to the topic of Darkfall. Yes, you're right. All of us fans of Darkfall have nothing but faith, hope, dreams of a better tomorrow, whatever you'd prefer to call it. But I'm sure as hell gonna keep my eye open just incase. I've nearly left the gaming scene due to the crap being made nowadays. I start playing a new game and already know how. I'd honestly prefer to play Pokemon or Zelda on the NES. Hell, I'd take Duck Hunt over any of the 'Top MMOs' currently listed on this site. Everything's damn near the same, give and take some graphicsfeatures and switch around the names of whatever. It's been a LONG time since I've actually enjoyed a game. A nearly dead 'genre',if you will, of games such as Ultima Online and Shadowbane that truely got your adrenaline pumping with intense and open PvP action seem like a thing of the past. Yet amongst a dark cloud of same ol' cookie cutter mmos in the shape of carebears and rainbows, there's a glimmer of light for gamers such as myself called Darkfall. Promising everything I've dreamed of for years, it's the one reason I still keep up with games at all. I just have a glass that's half-full, I guess. So, I'm definitely hoping for the best with this game, even if it has been a longgg time since I first heard of it. It's been an even longggger time since I first dreamed of it. If this one inparticular doesn't come out, I'm hoping atleast some developers of upcoming games look at the features and how much they make the fans drool. If that doesn't happen, well.. I've presumably still got a long life ahead of me, might just pick up game development as my new hobby, since I don't have anything to play.
But yeah, even if it's not much, faith is enough to keep me going. There's millions of religious people out there investing a lot more of their lives than just occasionally checking websites for updates, also purely based on faith, so I don't think it's too farfetched for us to have faith in a game, or at the very least, it's ideas.
Comparing a Religion to an MMO? Be careful, you might anger people with that.Anyway, I never said having faith is a bad thing. maybe you misread my post, but all I tried to explain was why people might not be too ready to believe Darkfall is the second coming (to stay with the religious note). Add to that, that there have been games before which have promised all these great features, innovative systems and superb graphics and gameplay and they all never saw the light, or if they did, they were not what they had once promised to be.
But, let me repeat, I do not say having faith is a bad thing. As I said before, I wish you the best of luck. That doesn't mean I subscribe to your faith. And I am guessing I am not alone in that.
Yeah, I wasn't trying to take a jab at you or anything. Just while reading, it popped in my head thinking that I was reading something about religion and kinda made me laugh, cause yeah we are just talking about an MMO. I also realized that could anger people, which is why I kept the religious references brief lol.
I've also seen a few come and go myself, though.. 'Chronicle' being one of them, paid an early subscription fee and all, then a few screenshots and promises later, I had that fee refunded because they decided to drop the project. That communtiy probably stood in about the same shoes as the fans of Darkfall do now.
I'm not even saying that I really believe that Darkfall will come out, I've been skeptical and impatient myself. I still really hope that it does, though. If it was released and delivered on even half of it's promises, I'd be thrilled! But yeah, I'm impatiently waiting and checking up on any progress that may or may not have been made or even reported on, just in case. Was in the Beta for Shadowbane and I expected a lot more from it as well, in the end it was disappointing compared to my dreams, but still very thrilling compared to anything else available. I just have high hopes, heh.
But yeah, I apologize if that came off as a jab, I knew you weren't trying to crush anyone's hopes and dreams, just felt like pointing out a few things.
So as far as Myth or Legend? I've got my doubts as well, but I'm hoping for the best or at the very least other developers taking notes while reading about the features Darkfall has promised.
Darkfall is neither a myth nor a legend.. but rather an epic series that goes on and on and.. you get the idea
..completely off topic but what's with the blue on black - makes my eyes bleed. Colouring may draw people's attention to your post for a moment only to skip onto the next.
You will burn in hell for your MMOs sins.....
No, im joking. Sorry, but i had to. Good posts there.
Lol at MMO sins.
And the blue on black was me accidentally clicking the font color button and it not letting me set it back to automatic. It was annoying me too, I'm still in edit mode trying to fix that lol
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Eh, it won't go default but it's better atleast.
Anyways, yeah.. I really hope for the best with Darkfall or atleast it's ideas, until then I'll be in my corner playing NES and waiting for something worth a damn, most likely. Unless I come across any free-to-play pvp oriented MMOs that I haven't seen yet. But, if I ever pay for another game, It'll be for something along the lines of what I'm hoping Darkfall could, would, might, may, or hopefully will be, assuming that it's ever anything more than an idea.