Amazing prediction below. Honestly, is that your only defense MadAce?
Originally posted by Gameloading I'm willing to bet his next reply will be a big denial of that, possibly with some attempts to bring my credibility in question.
Amazing prediction below. Honestly, is that your only defense MadAce?
Originally posted by Gameloading I'm willing to bet his next reply will be a big denial of that, possibly with some attempts to bring my credibility in question.
THis reply proves you don't actually read what I write (probably too long).
Because then you would've called me out on my previous reply to what Gameloading said, which you didn't.
Originally posted by Dekron Originally posted by Cryomatrix When a dumbass shoots up people at a school/mall then kills himself christianity isn't brought up? Gang violence is perpertated mainly by christians, we don't call them christian extremists.
Yes, but they do not claim they are doing God's justice. They do not shout "God is great!" before or after going on a rampage either. They are not supported by Christian leaders. They are not praised by Christians in the streets when they perform a killing. And to add, you are not an expert on Islam simply because you are a Muslim. All I can say is continue to appease. That's your choice. You only do it because you hate yourself.
1. I never claimed to be an expert. I live it, i've been around it my whole life, I feel I understand it. I essentially speak from a different angle than what is usually heard from.
Contrary to what people believe Muslims don't intend to take over the world and convert everybody. Muslims do recruit but is as far as it goes. There are extreme fringe groups which do incredibly stupid stuff such as making a big fuss over a teacher saying something about mohammed or female circumcision or even honor killings. (even though I'd say honor killings = rural areas). The fact is that most Muslims like 99.99% only care about what you (whoever is reading this) cares about. Having freedom, a wife and kids, a job, and enjoying life.
Muslim animosity towards the west does not come from "we want to take away your freedom" crap it's more like we'd actually like freedom ourselves. Muslims do not appreciate shock and awe (how many millions of muslims were cowering in their apartments hoping the bombs wouldn't hit them). Muslims do not appreciate American backed tyrant governments. Muslims do not appreciate getting bombed like crazy from Israel (Lebanon War and current Gaza issue). Yes, a few people are firing rockets into Israel, so the answer is to punish millions and millions of people with removing basic human rights issue . . . Muslims don't appreciate the fact that anyone who is Jewish can gain automatic citizenship in Israel/Jerusalem whereas a person who has 10 generations of his family from Jerusalem can never go back.
Muslims animosity towards the west stems from the top. Not anything to do with your freedom, muslims are jealous of your freedom and would be happy if they had their own. They do not desire to tear your freedom down. There are a few morons out of the 1.2 billion people that happen to make the most noise. But in general a muslim is like you. Wanting to eat, sleep, work, and live happy. That's why we emigrate to other areas. Because our own areas are shit.
Therefore to get to my point, insurgents in Iraq are in my opinion normal. America illegally invaded a country, those who fight back are called insurgents but they were the same as the colonialists fighting the british gov't. The morons in the palestinian area are in their opinion defending their land from the Israeli onslaught. Plus they have nothing to lose, it's not like life can get any worse for them. Most of the people that do these bombings are only using the religion as a tool to brainwash people. I'll admit the problem with Islam is the ease at which this is capable of being done.
My point is when "muslims go on a rampage" It is fueled by the animosity stemming from what I wrote above. Not from something within the religion to convert or kill or whatever it is.
I also have no idea what you mean by continue to appease myself because i hate myself or whatever you were trying to say.
I'm not Muslim because I was born Muslim. I choose to be one. I went to a Catholic school, i'm very familiar with the other major religions.
Catch me streaming at twitch.tv/cryomatrix You can see my sci-fi/WW2 book recommendations.
Amazing prediction below. Honestly, is that your only defense MadAce?
Originally posted by Gameloading I'm willing to bet his next reply will be a big denial of that, possibly with some attempts to bring my credibility in question.
THis reply proves you don't actually read what I write (probably too long).
Because then you would've called me out on my previous reply to what Gameloading said, which you didn't.
Actually I saw your reply. However, this one was more fitting. That is your only defense - saying someone is not credible. If only the search function worked properly. Then we could list all the posts in which you question someone's credibility simply because you lack any yourself.
Amazing prediction below. Honestly, is that your only defense MadAce?
Originally posted by Gameloading I'm willing to bet his next reply will be a big denial of that, possibly with some attempts to bring my credibility in question.
THis reply proves you don't actually read what I write (probably too long).
Because then you would've called me out on my previous reply to what Gameloading said, which you didn't.
Actually I saw your reply. However, this one was more fitting. That is your only defense - saying someone is not credible. If only the search function worked properly. Then we could list all the posts in which you question someone's credibility simply because you lack any yourself.
Appeasing is not credibility - it's self-hatred.
So your only defence is me supposedly saying that you lot aren't credible? How does that make me wrong?
Also, why do you ignore everything else I say? Why do you ignore the fact that you only read books which only confirm your already existing opinion?
How come you're largely ignoring what Cryomatrix has said so far?
What will you say to defend yourself from these just questions? Will you say I'm liberal? Will you say I'm only trying to be appeasing?
And how come you're unable to tell me exactly what you do not like Sharia law? Sure, you quoted something from the Qur'An (which has already be rebutted by Cryomatrix) but it didn't have anything to do with Every aspect of Sharia law.
You also didn't answer my question about what you would punish them for and how you would punish them.
In fact, you haven't even properly explained your first comment:
Originally posted by Dekron
Originally posted by MadAce How many of your intelligence are you ignoring by agreeing with this moron?
I will return for your answer when you are forced to live under Shariah law and pray to Mecca.
How and when is this supposed to happen? And how exactly did it relate to my comment?
Originally posted by Cryomatrix I also have no idea what you mean by continue to appease myself because i hate myself or whatever you were trying to say.
So your only defence is me supposedly saying that you lot aren't credible? How does that make me wrong? It's actually "defense". You're just running in circles. This is your claim that everyone else is wrong - because they lack credibility. Where does your claim come from? On what do you base your judgement of one's credibility? Do you know my education? Do you know my background? Do you know anyone else's background or education on this website who you claim is not credible? No, you do not. You are prejudging. That is why you are wrong and that is why you lack credibility. Also, why do you ignore everything else I say? Why do you ignore the fact that you only read books which only confirm your already existing opinion? I read several books to give me my opinion. Hell, before 9/11 I knew nothing of Islam. I've read several books - I only pointed out two for you. Are they biased? No, I don't believe so. The books are written from a third party's perspective. You cannot get the truth from a biased Imam. As I said above I have even read the Qur'An (are you happy with the capital "A". Once again, when judging one's credibility, well, you lack it. You based an entire book simply from its title. Because it stated "Politically Incorrect" you assumed it was negative. Politically incorrect means telling the truth as it is, without trying to make everyone happy and not offended. How come you're largely ignoring what Cryomatrix has said so far? I'm not ignoring it. There is just nothing to comment about. He gave statistics. There is nothing important that he stated. And, I won't take his information seriously because he is now posting about the poor, pathetic plight of the nasty Jews killing the poor defenseless Palestinians. Yes, because it is all their fault. What will you say to defend yourself from these just questions? Will you say I'm liberal? Will you say I'm only trying to be appeasing? Yes, you are a mentally-ill Liberal who is appeasing. And how come you're unable to tell me exactly what you do not like Sharia law? Everything. Does that about cover it? It's largely suppressive and hateful. You also didn't answer my question about what you would punish them for and how you would punish them. Would it have helped if I put <sarcasm></sarcasm> around my comment? Would you be able to understand then? People can say whatever they want, but it's action that will get the attention. In fact, you haven't even properly explained your first comment:
Originally posted by Dekron
Originally posted by MadAce How many of your intelligence are you ignoring by agreeing with this moron?
I will return for your answer when you are forced to live under Shariah law and pray to Mecca.
How and when is this supposed to happen? And how exactly did it relate to my comment?
Because organizations such as CAIR are trying to push for Sharia law in the United States and they have many liberals, including Barack Hussein Obama, on their side.
You have a lot of questions to answer.
Good enough for you? Or, because you disagree, do my answers lack credibility?
This BNP prick is talking bullshit..how do i know...well i live in London and his views are NOT the views most of the population in London. The olympic stadi8um is being built in east London where there are thousands of ethnic muslims and 100s of marques.
Where do you come from?
Instead of latching on to some BNP supporters BS just come out and say "i dont like muslins" you cant because you are a f..king coward.
Originally posted by osiriss Instead of latching on to some BNP supporters BS just come out and say "i dont like muslins" you cant because you are a f..king coward.
I don't like Muslims.
And please, use common sense. Muslim is not a race, it is a follower of a "religion". Problem with whites, blacks, Arabs, Chinese, Mexican, etc. - no, problem with whites, blacks, Arabs, Chinese, Mexican, etc. who follow a dogma of hate called Islam - yes.
Correction, Islam is not a religion. It is a cult.
When a dumbass shoots up people at a school/mall then kills himself christianity isn't brought up? Gang violence is perpertated mainly by christians, we don't call them christian extremists.
Yes, but they do not claim they are doing God's justice. They do not shout "God is great!" before or after going on a rampage either. They are not supported by Christian leaders. They are not praised by Christians in the streets when they perform a killing.
What are you talking about? Loads of them do exactly that.
The Congalese child gangs were all holy warriors, led into battle by their priests. The IRA are all doing the Popes work when they kneecap teenagers and bomb children.
Our soldiers are all holy warriors, they offer regular prays when they kill. The Company Chaplin holds services both before and after a big operation.
Bush and Blair claimed they were doing God's Justice in Iraq live on TV in front of the whole world.
Coping with death is a major part of all religions. You will find a higher proportion of actively religious people in any circumstance where death is a commonality. People the world over have the same spiritual needs.
Our Queen is the head of our Church, and she like everyone else here clapped and cheered in the street when we bombed Dresden. She is also the head of our army and very publicaly approves of them killing Taliban, just as she did, IRA, Argentine and German.
All religious factions have enemies. Every major religion has wars. We all like it when our enemies are killed. All our victories are granted to us by God.
Originally posted by baff What are you talking about? Loads of them do exactly that. The Congalese child gangs were all holy warriors, led into battle by their priests. The IRA are all doing the Popes work when they kneecap teenagers and bomb children. Our soldiers are all holy warriors, they offer regular prays when they kill. The Company Chaplin holds services both before and after a big operation. Bush and Blair claimed they were doing God's Justice in Iraq live on TV in front of the whole world.
I'll give you the first. The second I do not believe in the slightest. None of my friends coming back from Iraq have ever claimed prayer services before or after a mission or claimed praising Jesus/God after they killed someone.
The third, well, they are just an embarrassment to both of their respective countries. I remember when Bush stated that then his religious advisor claimed God told him the opposite.
And I am done posting here. I am set in my beliefs and everyone is set in theirs. No sense in arguing.
This BNP prick is talking bullshit..how do i know...well i live in London and his views are NOT the views most of the population in London. The olympic stadi8um is being built in east London where there are thousands of ethnic muslims and 100s of marques.
Where do you come from?
Instead of latching on to some BNP supporters BS just come out and say "i dont like muslins" you cant because you are a f..king coward.
Before you make any more pointless accusations, let me quickly correct you. I don't mind muslims, in fact, I could care less if you're a muslim, christian,buddhist,atheist, whatever, as long as you don't involve me in your business. You know what I do mind? I mind the fact that certain muslims feel a need to push their ways on other countries cultures.
You asked where I came from. Well I'm from the Netherlands. speaking of the Netherlands, there currently is a bit of a clash here. You see, a dutch politician has made a certain "Anti - koran" film, in which he explains how it promotes violence and hate spreading it is. Now, the film hasn't been released yet but currently people in Afghanistan are pretty upset and demand that afghanistan breaks all connections with the Netherlands if the movie gets released. That's just great isn't it? You send in your military to fix the mess that country is in and now you get this, all because of the opinion of one person. Did you know there are currently discussions to get the movie banned? Keep in mind that nobody knows the content of the movie, and yet there are already discussions to get it removed, As the movie could lead to violence and terrorism.
Now read that again and understand what's going on: There is a discussion going on to remove free speech....in the Netherlands of all places, just to keep certain Muslims from being offended.
Originally posted by Gameloading You know what I do mind? I mind the fact that certain muslims feel a need to push their ways on other countries cultures. Now read that again and understand what's going on: There is a discussion going on to remove free speech....in the Netherlands of all places, just to kee[ certain Muslims from being offended.
That's a big reason why I don't like Muslims. They are all (yes, I am grouping them all) like that. They may not all go to the extreme of suicide bombing and threatening to slash your throat, but they whimper and complain because someone hurt their poor little feelings.
To be fair, the Dutch are dropping bombs on the Afghan Muslims daily.
Those "certain Muslims" and you have a pretty fragile relationship to start with and don't need much of an excuse to swap sides from being broadly co-operative to completely and violently unco-operative.
We have to find a balanced compromise between living with each other and wiping each other out. Not hurting other peoples feelings is a fundamental part of living with others.
While I don't believe that all compromises are acceptable. While I believe there is a time to be tolerant and also a time not to be, wherever possible I prefer not to hurt peoples feelings. I do take them into account if I possibly can.
We have to find a balanced compromise between living with each other and wiping each other out. Not hurting other peoples feelings is a fundamental part of living with others. While I don't believe that all compromises are acceptable. While I believe there is a time to be tolerant and also a time not to be, wherever possible I prefer not to hurt peoples feelings. I do take them into account if I possibly can.
I never said wipe them out. I simply ignore them. People will get their feelings hurt. That's life. If someone wants to make a movie vilifying Islam, then that is their right. If Muslims do not want to have their "feelings hurt", then don't watch it. If this movie actually makes it to theaters you will see dozens of Muslims on the streets picketing "Death to those who insult Islam and the Prophet".
And, I take others feelings into account as well; however, I will not sugar coat the truth. If it's going to sting, then let it sting.
To be fair, the Dutch are dropping bombs on the Afghan Muslims daily. Those "certain Muslims" and you have a pretty fragile relationship to start with and don't need much of an excuse to swap sides from being broadly co-operative to completely and violently unco-operative. @Dekron We have to find a balanced compromise between living with each other and wiping each other out. Not hurting other peoples feelings is a fundamental part of living with others. While I don't believe that all compromises are acceptable. While I believe there is a time to be tolerant and also a time not to be, wherever possible I prefer not to hurt peoples feelings. I do take them into account if I possibly can.
The dutch are there on a peace mission, not a bombing mission.
So your only defence is me supposedly saying that you lot aren't credible? How does that make me wrong? It's actually "defense". You're just running in circles. This is your claim that everyone else is wrong - because they lack credibility. Where does your claim come from? On what do you base your judgement of one's credibility? Do you know my education? Do you know my background? Do you know anyone else's background or education on this website who you claim is not credible? No, you do not. You are prejudging. That is why you are wrong and that is why you lack credibility. I judge your credibility by what arguments you use. Not their message, but how you support them. I also judge whether or not you succeed in refuting my arguments. I must admit that the former is the most important. If you can't explain why and how you came to a conclusion then you're not very trustworthy. Also, why do you ignore everything else I say? Why do you ignore the fact that you only read books which only confirm your already existing opinion? I read several books to give me my opinion. Hell, before 9/11 I knew nothing of Islam. I've read several books - I only pointed out two for you. Are they biased? No, I don't believe so. The books are written from a third party's perspective. You cannot get the truth from a biased Imam. As I said above I have even read the Qur'An (are you happy with the capital "A". Once again, when judging one's credibility, well, you lack it. You based an entire book simply from its title. Because it stated "Politically Incorrect" you assumed it was negative. Politically incorrect means telling the truth as it is, without trying to make everyone happy and not offended. I figured you'd read more than two books on the subject. But I'm kinda wondering why you can't name them. And yes, they are biased. I explained to you why they're biased. For one, their title isn't objective. This tells me the author at least wanted to attract the kind of people who form conclusions and then only read books to support their conclusions. And I examined one of your books in depth and could only come to the conclusion that the author was the least credible of us all. Also, and you'll find it hard to believe this, I judge your credibility on the things you say. If they're true then you're credible. Now you're saying "politically incorrect means "telling the truth as it is". Which isn't the meaning of "politically incorrect".Maybe it's your personal opinion on the concept, but only starting from your own biased views on things isn't a good basis for a discussion. Why did you only start to read about Islam since 9/11? What does 9/11 have to do with Islam? How come you're largely ignoring what Cryomatrix has said so far? I'm not ignoring it. There is just nothing to comment about. He gave statistics. There is nothing important that he stated. And, I won't take his information seriously because he is now posting about the poor, pathetic plight of the nasty Jews killing the poor defenseless Palestinians. Yes, because it is all their fault. Why are you ridiculing his opinion? Is it because it isn't your opinion? And it's rather sad that you refuse to take on stone cold facts. What will you say to defend yourself from these just questions? Will you say I'm liberal? Will you say I'm only trying to be appeasing? Yes, you are a mentally-ill Liberal who is appeasing. On what do you base this on? And do you often resort to name-calling when you're losing an argument? And how come you're unable to tell me exactly what you do not like Sharia law? Everything. Does that about cover it? It's largely suppressive and hateful. Now you've lost all credibility yet again. Previously because you somehow got the idea Sharia law is only based on the Qur'An. Which isn't true by the way. You also didn't answer my question about what you would punish them for and how you would punish them. Would it have helped if I put <sarcasm></sarcasm> around my comment? Would you be able to understand then? People can say whatever they want, but it's action that will get the attention. What kind of action? In fact, you haven't even properly explained your first comment:
Originally posted by Dekron
Originally posted by MadAce How many of your intelligence are you ignoring by agreeing with this moron?
I will return for your answer when you are forced to live under Shariah law and pray to Mecca.
How and when is this supposed to happen? And how exactly did it relate to my comment?
Because organizations such as CAIR are trying to push for Sharia law in the United States and they have many liberals, including Barack Hussein Obama, on their side.
Oh, I'd like to read on how exactly Mr. Obama is involed with implementing Sharia law. I'm also wondering which interpretation he's going for. Please be so kind as to link me to a few sources stating Mr Obama's involvement.
BTW, Technocracy Incorporated has been pushing for the Technocratic agenda since 1934 and they used to have quite a lot of powerful businessmen and politicians on their side.
You have a lot of questions to answer.
Good enough for you? Or, because you disagree, do my answers lack credibility?
Your answers could be just fine. Even someone with no credibility whatsoever can be right by accident.
Originally posted by Dekron
Originally posted by osiriss Instead of latching on to some BNP supporters BS just come out and say "i dont like muslins" you cant because you are a f..king coward.
I don't like Muslims.
And please, use common sense. Muslim is not a race, it is a "religion". Problem with whites, blacks, Arabs, Chinese, Mexican, etc. - no, problem with whites, blacks, Arabs, Chinese, Mexican, etc. who follow a dogma of hate called Islam - yes.
Correction, Islam is not a religion. It is a cult.
How come you can't like Muslims? It must be something horribly powerful what makes you dislike 1 billion people. You do know that there is more than one interpretation of Islam?
What in your eyes is the difference between a religion and a cult?
Originally posted by Dekron
Originally posted by baff What are you talking about? Loads of them do exactly that. The Congalese child gangs were all holy warriors, led into battle by their priests. The IRA are all doing the Popes work when they kneecap teenagers and bomb children. Our soldiers are all holy warriors, they offer regular prays when they kill. The Company Chaplin holds services both before and after a big operation. Bush and Blair claimed they were doing God's Justice in Iraq live on TV in front of the whole world.
I'll give you the first. The second I do not believe in the slightest. None of my friends coming back from Iraq have ever claimed prayer services before or after a mission or claimed praising Jesus/God after they killed someone.
The third, well, they are just an embarrassment to both of their respective countries. I remember when Bush stated that then his religious advisor claimed God told him the opposite.
And I am done posting here. I am set in my beliefs and everyone is set in theirs. No sense in arguing.
I change my mind all the time. I'd love to see you change my mind. Please do.
This BNP prick is talking bullshit..how do i know...well i live in London and his views are NOT the views most of the population in London. The olympic stadi8um is being built in east London where there are thousands of ethnic muslims and 100s of marques.
Where do you come from?
Instead of latching on to some BNP supporters BS just come out and say "i dont like muslins" you cant because you are a f..king coward.
Before you make any more pointless accusations, let me quickly correct you. I don't mind muslims, in fact, I could care less if you're a muslim, christian,buddhist,atheist, whatever, as long as you don't involve me in your business. You know what I do mind? I mind the fact that certain muslims feel a need to push their ways on other countries cultures.
You asked where I came from. Well I'm from the Netherlands. speaking of the Netherlands, there currently is a bit of a clash here. You see, a dutch politician has made a certain "Anti - koran" film, in which he explains how it promotes violence and hate spreading it is. Now, the film hasn't been released yet but currently people in Afghanistan are pretty upset and demand that afghanistan breaks all connections with the Netherlands if the movie gets released. That's just great isn't it? You send in your military to fix the mess that country is in and now you get this, all because of the opinion of one person. Did you know there are currently discussions to get the movie banned? Keep in mind that nobody knows the content of the movie, and yet there are already discussions to get it removed, As the movie could lead to violence and terrorism.
Now read that again and understand what's going on: There is a discussion going on to remove free speech....in the Netherlands of all places, just to kee[ certain Muslims from being offended.
Gameloading. I wonder why you don't ask yourself how these Afghanis got to know about this little issue in the Netherlands. Ask yourself how in a country with literacy at 28% and with a pathetic communications network at best people were informed by this movie.
I'm going to tell you. It has nothing to do with religion. Those uneducated people are being manipulated by people with an agenda. People who've previously occupied themselves with telling illiterate people who can't speak or read Arabic what is in the Qur'An and why you should hate Westerners (first Russians, then Americans).
This has nothing to do with religion. And the sooner you realize this, the sooner you'll get a headache because you'll realize how damn complicated the world is.
Frankly I too think it's stupid there is talk of banning this movie.
Originally posted by Dekron
Originally posted by Gameloading You know what I do mind? I mind the fact that certain muslims feel a need to push their ways on other countries cultures. Now read that again and understand what's going on: There is a discussion going on to remove free speech....in the Netherlands of all places, just to kee[ certain Muslims from being offended.
That's a big reason why I don't like Muslims. They are all (yes, I am grouping them all) like that. They may not all go to the extreme of suicide bombing and threatening to slash your throat, but they whimper and complain because someone hurt their poor little feelings.
They're not all like that. I know one who isn't. Far from. In fact I know more than one. Perhaps I shouldn't have said that. Don' want to rock your fragile little world.
And why do you have to be demeaning towards the feelings of this group of people, even tho they only exist in your head?
Oh, and didn't you say you weren't going to post in this thread again. Did you lie when you said that?
We have to find a balanced compromise between living with each other and wiping each other out. Not hurting other peoples feelings is a fundamental part of living with others. While I don't believe that all compromises are acceptable. While I believe there is a time to be tolerant and also a time not to be, wherever possible I prefer not to hurt peoples feelings. I do take them into account if I possibly can.
I never said wipe them out. I simply ignore them. People will get their feelings hurt. That's life. If someone wants to make a movie vilifying Islam, then that is their right. If Muslims do not want to have their "feelings hurt", then don't watch it. If this movie actually makes it to theaters you will see dozens of Muslims on the streets picketing "Death to those who insult Islam and the Prophet".
And, I take others feelings into account as well; however, I will not sugar coat the truth. If it's going to sting, then let it sting.
And, this, not the above is my last post.
You're not ignoring them. You even occupy your mind with disliking all 1 billion of them. You even read "books" about Muslims.
Your response of everything is wrong does not validate your argument.
I will only answer one more of your questions. What does Islam have to do with 9/11? Well, considering the individuals did it in the name of Islam - everything.
And, to add, saying you are a mentally-ill Liberal is not name calling - it is an observation. You keep running yourself in circles. You have not provided any facts or details of your own. You simply say I am wrong, but you have yet to provide anything to back it up.
Goodbye. As I said, I am done posting. I suppose my little lie earned me a place in hell.
Originally posted by MadAce You really don't understand do you?
No, I can't say that I understand your liberal mind. As I said, you only appease them because you hate yourself.
Originally posted by SioBabble I hope you're equally bent out of shape when some Christian fundamentalist yells "Praise Jesus!" and "Jesus is Lord" after an abortion clinic incident.
Personally I am pro-life, but such crap like that sickens me. Also, I do not support the "gay cause", but when idiots such as the Phelps protest funerals and such I am pretty sicked by those actions as well.
The Phelps are a Disgrace!
Another great example of Moore's Law. Give people access to that much space (developers and users alike) and they'll find uses for it that you can never imagine. "640K ought to be enough for anybody" - Bill Gates 1981
Where do you come from? Instead of latching on to some BNP supporters BS just come out and say "i dont like muslins" you cant because you are a f..king coward. [/quote] Before you make any more pointless accusations, let me quickly correct you. I don't mind muslims, in fact, I could care less if you're a muslim, christian,buddhist,atheist, whatever, as long as you don't involve me in your business. You know what I do mind? I mind the fact that certain muslims feel a need to push their ways on other countries cultures.
You asked where I came from. Well I'm from the Netherlands. speaking of the Netherlands, there currently is a bit of a clash here. You see, a dutch politician has made a certain "Anti - koran" film, in which he explains how it promotes violence and hate spreading it is. Now, the film hasn't been released yet but currently people in Afghanistan are pretty upset and demand that afghanistan breaks all connections with the Netherlands if the movie gets released. That's just great isn't it? You send in your military to fix the mess that country is in and now you get this, all because of the opinion of one person. Did you know there are currently discussions to get the movie banned? Keep in mind that nobody knows the content of the movie, and yet there are already discussions to get it removed, As the movie could lead to violence and terrorism. Now read that again and understand what's going on: There is a discussion going on to remove free speech....in the Netherlands of all places, just to keep certain Muslims from being offended.[/b][/quote]
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I'm sure Muslims are thrilled that you're supporting the US in "pushing their way" into Iraq literally. As well as Afghanistan, the arabian gulf, somalia . . . . Muslims are thrilled of Israel's peace missions into Lebanon and Gaza. Muslims were thrilled about the US supplying both sides in Iran-Iraq war . . .
As a Muslim my motto to those muslims "pushing their way" is that they should realize they are:
A. not in their country B. need to live by the rules of their new country C. they moved from their old country to a new one and they should accept what happens there.
Now if someone offends them with an anti-koran movie what Muslims should do is:
A. Shut the fuck up about it B. Focus on their school/education and their careers C. Advance into their careers up to a point where they hold the power
It's been done by minority parties before. You don't like what's going on. Empower yourself through education to be in the positions that choose what movies to make and what shows to air and what not.
What they shouldn't do is:
A. Bitch and moan B. Make a fuss about it when they have no power and only make their perception worse.
Dekron,
Is free to dislike Islam. The US has free speech, he is free to believe whatever he wants and that is his opinion. I'll say instead of reading books, talk to people who live it and who experience it.
note: 9/11 was really dubious in all facets. If it was done by muslims it wasn't done as part of a hate mongering religion it was probably done for payback for some of the following reasons.
- US's foreign policy - US's support for Israel
You can call it religion if you want, but it's not far-fetched to call it vengeance either.
You think 9/11 occurred because Islam told a bunch of people to hate others? You think the US was targeted at random? You want something that happens for no reason look at the deranged people that shoot up malls/schools and gang violence. That has no reason, just senseless violence.
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Originally posted by osiriss Instead of latching on to some BNP supporters BS just come out and say "i dont like muslins" you cant because you are a f..king coward.
I don't like Muslims.
And please, use common sense. Muslim is not a race, it is a "religion". Problem with whites, blacks, Arabs, Chinese, Mexican, etc. - no, problem with whites, blacks, Arabs, Chinese, Mexican, etc. who follow a dogma of hate called Islam - yes.
Correction, Islam is not a religion. It is a cult.
Muslin is not a race its a religion?...man are you thick or what. Muslims are a set of people who practice ISLAM The religion not Islams who practice the muslin religion lol. As for race...there is only one race on this planet and its the human race thicko.
Who did you hate before muslims became the latest culture to hate...probably blacks and anyone else who isn't a goat.
Your response of everything is wrong does not validate your argument.
I will only answer one more of your questions. What does Islam have to do with 9/11? Well, considering the individuals did it in the name of Islam - everything.
And, to add, saying you are a mentally-ill Liberal is not name calling - it is an observation. You keep running yourself in circles. You have not provided any facts or details of your own. You simply say I am wrong, but you have yet to provide anything to back it up.
Goodbye. As I said, I am done posting. I suppose my little lie earned me a place in hell.
If I kick a puppy in your name tomorrow (I will do so, but not hard, just playful, don't worry) then what do you have to do with it? Nothing. If you wrestle yourself to Iraq and kill an insurgent there in my name. What does the killing have to do with me? Nothing.
An observation is inherently objective and does not contain a conclusion. Calling me a liberal is a conclusion.
I have provided quite a lot of facts, in so far this discussion revolves around facts. When I tell you that your books aren't objective and a very poor source of information then I back this up with objective information.
I even suggested a few books you could possibly read to broaden your horizons.
On the other hand when you claim all Muslims are pushy you are unable to provide me with scientific evidence that all Muslims are pushy.
BTW, it's twice already that you have lied about your "last post" in this thread.
Therefore to get to my point, insurgents in Iraq are in my opinion normal. America illegally invaded a country, those who fight back are called insurgents but they were the same as the colonialists fighting the british gov't. The morons in the palestinian area are in their opinion defending their land from the Israeli onslaught. Plus they have nothing to lose, it's not like life can get any worse for them. Most of the people that do these bombings are only using the religion as a tool to brainwash people. I'll admit the problem with Islam is the ease at which this is capable of being done.
One of the things that amuses me about Americans is that the ones who are big fans of Red Dawn (Wolverines!) don't get that the Iraqi insurgents are the Wolverines of the occupation of Iraq.
That is, Iraqis are reacting exactly as the Red Dawn fans imagine they'd react to some Soviet/Cuban/Nicaraguan occupation of their home towns in the United States.
They don't understand that an invasion of anyone's country is likely to result in an insurgency. It happened all over Europe during WWII, sometimes with violence as a result, as it did in France, the Ukraine, and Poland, sometimes with passive resistance as it did in the Netherlands and Denmark.
The irony of Americans reacting to people fighting for their freedom the way Reinhard Heydrich did with Czech partisans goes right over their pointy little heads.
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THis reply proves you don't actually read what I write (probably too long).
Because then you would've called me out on my previous reply to what Gameloading said, which you didn't.
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And to add, you are not an expert on Islam simply because you are a Muslim.
All I can say is continue to appease. That's your choice. You only do it because you hate yourself.
1. I never claimed to be an expert. I live it, i've been around it my whole life, I feel I understand it. I essentially speak from a different angle than what is usually heard from.
Contrary to what people believe Muslims don't intend to take over the world and convert everybody. Muslims do recruit but is as far as it goes. There are extreme fringe groups which do incredibly stupid stuff such as making a big fuss over a teacher saying something about mohammed or female circumcision or even honor killings. (even though I'd say honor killings = rural areas). The fact is that most Muslims like 99.99% only care about what you (whoever is reading this) cares about. Having freedom, a wife and kids, a job, and enjoying life.
Muslim animosity towards the west does not come from "we want to take away your freedom" crap it's more like we'd actually like freedom ourselves. Muslims do not appreciate shock and awe (how many millions of muslims were cowering in their apartments hoping the bombs wouldn't hit them). Muslims do not appreciate American backed tyrant governments. Muslims do not appreciate getting bombed like crazy from Israel (Lebanon War and current Gaza issue). Yes, a few people are firing rockets into Israel, so the answer is to punish millions and millions of people with removing basic human rights issue . . . Muslims don't appreciate the fact that anyone who is Jewish can gain automatic citizenship in Israel/Jerusalem whereas a person who has 10 generations of his family from Jerusalem can never go back.
Muslims animosity towards the west stems from the top. Not anything to do with your freedom, muslims are jealous of your freedom and would be happy if they had their own. They do not desire to tear your freedom down. There are a few morons out of the 1.2 billion people that happen to make the most noise. But in general a muslim is like you. Wanting to eat, sleep, work, and live happy. That's why we emigrate to other areas. Because our own areas are shit.
Therefore to get to my point, insurgents in Iraq are in my opinion normal. America illegally invaded a country, those who fight back are called insurgents but they were the same as the colonialists fighting the british gov't. The morons in the palestinian area are in their opinion defending their land from the Israeli onslaught. Plus they have nothing to lose, it's not like life can get any worse for them. Most of the people that do these bombings are only using the religion as a tool to brainwash people. I'll admit the problem with Islam is the ease at which this is capable of being done.
My point is when "muslims go on a rampage" It is fueled by the animosity stemming from what I wrote above. Not from something within the religion to convert or kill or whatever it is.
I also have no idea what you mean by continue to appease myself because i hate myself or whatever you were trying to say.
I'm not Muslim because I was born Muslim. I choose to be one. I went to a Catholic school, i'm very familiar with the other major religions.
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THis reply proves you don't actually read what I write (probably too long).
Because then you would've called me out on my previous reply to what Gameloading said, which you didn't.
Actually I saw your reply. However, this one was more fitting. That is your only defense - saying someone is not credible. If only the search function worked properly. Then we could list all the posts in which you question someone's credibility simply because you lack any yourself.Appeasing is not credibility - it's self-hatred.
THis reply proves you don't actually read what I write (probably too long).
Because then you would've called me out on my previous reply to what Gameloading said, which you didn't.
Actually I saw your reply. However, this one was more fitting. That is your only defense - saying someone is not credible. If only the search function worked properly. Then we could list all the posts in which you question someone's credibility simply because you lack any yourself.Appeasing is not credibility - it's self-hatred.
So your only defence is me supposedly saying that you lot aren't credible? How does that make me wrong?
Also, why do you ignore everything else I say? Why do you ignore the fact that you only read books which only confirm your already existing opinion?
How come you're largely ignoring what Cryomatrix has said so far?
What will you say to defend yourself from these just questions? Will you say I'm liberal? Will you say I'm only trying to be appeasing?
And how come you're unable to tell me exactly what you do not like Sharia law? Sure, you quoted something from the Qur'An (which has already be rebutted by Cryomatrix) but it didn't have anything to do with Every aspect of Sharia law.
You also didn't answer my question about what you would punish them for and how you would punish them.
In fact, you haven't even properly explained your first comment:
I will return for your answer when you are forced to live under Shariah law and pray to Mecca.
How and when is this supposed to happen? And how exactly did it relate to my comment?
You have a lot of questions to answer.
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"Monolithic"
A monolith is a big stone. You know, like at Stonehenge.
I will return for your answer when you are forced to live under Shariah law and pray to Mecca.
How and when is this supposed to happen? And how exactly did it relate to my comment?
Because organizations such as CAIR are trying to push for Sharia law in the United States and they have many liberals, including Barack Hussein Obama, on their side.
You have a lot of questions to answer.
Good enough for you? Or, because you disagree, do my answers lack credibility?
This BNP prick is talking bullshit..how do i know...well i live in London and his views are NOT the views most of the population in London. The olympic stadi8um is being built in east London where there are thousands of ethnic muslims and 100s of marques.
Where do you come from?
Instead of latching on to some BNP supporters BS just come out and say "i dont like muslins" you cant because you are a f..king coward.
I don't like Muslims.
And please, use common sense. Muslim is not a race, it is a follower of a "religion". Problem with whites, blacks, Arabs, Chinese, Mexican, etc. - no, problem with whites, blacks, Arabs, Chinese, Mexican, etc. who follow a dogma of hate called Islam - yes.
Correction, Islam is not a religion. It is a cult.
Yes, but they do not claim they are doing God's justice. They do not shout "God is great!" before or after going on a rampage either. They are not supported by Christian leaders. They are not praised by Christians in the streets when they perform a killing.
What are you talking about? Loads of them do exactly that.
The Congalese child gangs were all holy warriors, led into battle by their priests. The IRA are all doing the Popes work when they kneecap teenagers and bomb children.
Our soldiers are all holy warriors, they offer regular prays when they kill. The Company Chaplin holds services both before and after a big operation.
Bush and Blair claimed they were doing God's Justice in Iraq live on TV in front of the whole world.
Coping with death is a major part of all religions. You will find a higher proportion of actively religious people in any circumstance where death is a commonality. People the world over have the same spiritual needs.
Our Queen is the head of our Church, and she like everyone else here clapped and cheered in the street when we bombed Dresden. She is also the head of our army and very publicaly approves of them killing Taliban, just as she did, IRA, Argentine and German.
All religious factions have enemies. Every major religion has wars. We all like it when our enemies are killed. All our victories are granted to us by God.
I'll give you the first. The second I do not believe in the slightest. None of my friends coming back from Iraq have ever claimed prayer services before or after a mission or claimed praising Jesus/God after they killed someone.
The third, well, they are just an embarrassment to both of their respective countries. I remember when Bush stated that then his religious advisor claimed God told him the opposite.
And I am done posting here. I am set in my beliefs and everyone is set in theirs. No sense in arguing.
This BNP prick is talking bullshit..how do i know...well i live in London and his views are NOT the views most of the population in London. The olympic stadi8um is being built in east London where there are thousands of ethnic muslims and 100s of marques.
Where do you come from?
Instead of latching on to some BNP supporters BS just come out and say "i dont like muslins" you cant because you are a f..king coward.
Before you make any more pointless accusations, let me quickly correct you. I don't mind muslims, in fact, I could care less if you're a muslim, christian,buddhist,atheist, whatever, as long as you don't involve me in your business. You know what I do mind? I mind the fact that certain muslims feel a need to push their ways on other countries cultures.
You asked where I came from. Well I'm from the Netherlands. speaking of the Netherlands, there currently is a bit of a clash here. You see, a dutch politician has made a certain "Anti - koran" film, in which he explains how it promotes violence and hate spreading it is. Now, the film hasn't been released yet but currently people in Afghanistan are pretty upset and demand that afghanistan breaks all connections with the Netherlands if the movie gets released. That's just great isn't it? You send in your military to fix the mess that country is in and now you get this, all because of the opinion of one person. Did you know there are currently discussions to get the movie banned? Keep in mind that nobody knows the content of the movie, and yet there are already discussions to get it removed, As the movie could lead to violence and terrorism.
Now read that again and understand what's going on: There is a discussion going on to remove free speech....in the Netherlands of all places, just to keep certain Muslims from being offended.
That's a big reason why I don't like Muslims. They are all (yes, I am grouping them all) like that. They may not all go to the extreme of suicide bombing and threatening to slash your throat, but they whimper and complain because someone hurt their poor little feelings.
To be fair, the Dutch are dropping bombs on the Afghan Muslims daily.
Those "certain Muslims" and you have a pretty fragile relationship to start with and don't need much of an excuse to swap sides from being broadly co-operative to completely and violently unco-operative.
@Dekron
We have to find a balanced compromise between living with each other and wiping each other out. Not hurting other peoples feelings is a fundamental part of living with others.
While I don't believe that all compromises are acceptable. While I believe there is a time to be tolerant and also a time not to be, wherever possible I prefer not to hurt peoples feelings. I do take them into account if I possibly can.
I never said wipe them out. I simply ignore them. People will get their feelings hurt. That's life. If someone wants to make a movie vilifying Islam, then that is their right. If Muslims do not want to have their "feelings hurt", then don't watch it. If this movie actually makes it to theaters you will see dozens of Muslims on the streets picketing "Death to those who insult Islam and the Prophet".
And, I take others feelings into account as well; however, I will not sugar coat the truth. If it's going to sting, then let it sting.
And, this, not the above is my last post.
The dutch are there on a peace mission, not a bombing mission.
I will return for your answer when you are forced to live under Shariah law and pray to Mecca.
How and when is this supposed to happen? And how exactly did it relate to my comment?
Because organizations such as CAIR are trying to push for Sharia law in the United States and they have many liberals, including Barack Hussein Obama, on their side.
Oh, I'd like to read on how exactly Mr. Obama is involed with implementing Sharia law. I'm also wondering which interpretation he's going for. Please be so kind as to link me to a few sources stating Mr Obama's involvement.
BTW, Technocracy Incorporated has been pushing for the Technocratic agenda since 1934 and they used to have quite a lot of powerful businessmen and politicians on their side.
You have a lot of questions to answer.
Good enough for you? Or, because you disagree, do my answers lack credibility?
Your answers could be just fine. Even someone with no credibility whatsoever can be right by accident.
I don't like Muslims.
And please, use common sense. Muslim is not a race, it is a "religion". Problem with whites, blacks, Arabs, Chinese, Mexican, etc. - no, problem with whites, blacks, Arabs, Chinese, Mexican, etc. who follow a dogma of hate called Islam - yes.
Correction, Islam is not a religion. It is a cult.
How come you can't like Muslims? It must be something horribly powerful what makes you dislike 1 billion people. You do know that there is more than one interpretation of Islam?
What in your eyes is the difference between a religion and a cult?
I'll give you the first. The second I do not believe in the slightest. None of my friends coming back from Iraq have ever claimed prayer services before or after a mission or claimed praising Jesus/God after they killed someone.
The third, well, they are just an embarrassment to both of their respective countries. I remember when Bush stated that then his religious advisor claimed God told him the opposite.
And I am done posting here. I am set in my beliefs and everyone is set in theirs. No sense in arguing.
I change my mind all the time. I'd love to see you change my mind. Please do.
This BNP prick is talking bullshit..how do i know...well i live in London and his views are NOT the views most of the population in London. The olympic stadi8um is being built in east London where there are thousands of ethnic muslims and 100s of marques.
Where do you come from?
Instead of latching on to some BNP supporters BS just come out and say "i dont like muslins" you cant because you are a f..king coward.
Before you make any more pointless accusations, let me quickly correct you. I don't mind muslims, in fact, I could care less if you're a muslim, christian,buddhist,atheist, whatever, as long as you don't involve me in your business. You know what I do mind? I mind the fact that certain muslims feel a need to push their ways on other countries cultures.
You asked where I came from. Well I'm from the Netherlands. speaking of the Netherlands, there currently is a bit of a clash here. You see, a dutch politician has made a certain "Anti - koran" film, in which he explains how it promotes violence and hate spreading it is. Now, the film hasn't been released yet but currently people in Afghanistan are pretty upset and demand that afghanistan breaks all connections with the Netherlands if the movie gets released. That's just great isn't it? You send in your military to fix the mess that country is in and now you get this, all because of the opinion of one person. Did you know there are currently discussions to get the movie banned? Keep in mind that nobody knows the content of the movie, and yet there are already discussions to get it removed, As the movie could lead to violence and terrorism.
Now read that again and understand what's going on: There is a discussion going on to remove free speech....in the Netherlands of all places, just to kee[ certain Muslims from being offended.
Gameloading. I wonder why you don't ask yourself how these Afghanis got to know about this little issue in the Netherlands. Ask yourself how in a country with literacy at 28% and with a pathetic communications network at best people were informed by this movie.
I'm going to tell you. It has nothing to do with religion. Those uneducated people are being manipulated by people with an agenda. People who've previously occupied themselves with telling illiterate people who can't speak or read Arabic what is in the Qur'An and why you should hate Westerners (first Russians, then Americans).
This has nothing to do with religion. And the sooner you realize this, the sooner you'll get a headache because you'll realize how damn complicated the world is.
Frankly I too think it's stupid there is talk of banning this movie.
That's a big reason why I don't like Muslims. They are all (yes, I am grouping them all) like that. They may not all go to the extreme of suicide bombing and threatening to slash your throat, but they whimper and complain because someone hurt their poor little feelings.
They're not all like that. I know one who isn't. Far from. In fact I know more than one. Perhaps I shouldn't have said that. Don' want to rock your fragile little world.
And why do you have to be demeaning towards the feelings of this group of people, even tho they only exist in your head?
Oh, and didn't you say you weren't going to post in this thread again. Did you lie when you said that?
To Gameloading:
It's a human trait, being pushy: www.godhatessweden.com/
I never said wipe them out. I simply ignore them. People will get their feelings hurt. That's life. If someone wants to make a movie vilifying Islam, then that is their right. If Muslims do not want to have their "feelings hurt", then don't watch it. If this movie actually makes it to theaters you will see dozens of Muslims on the streets picketing "Death to those who insult Islam and the Prophet".
And, I take others feelings into account as well; however, I will not sugar coat the truth. If it's going to sting, then let it sting.
And, this, not the above is my last post.
You're not ignoring them. You even occupy your mind with disliking all 1 billion of them. You even read "books" about Muslims.
Have you ever changed your opinion?
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Your response of everything is wrong does not validate your argument.
I will only answer one more of your questions. What does Islam have to do with 9/11? Well, considering the individuals did it in the name of Islam - everything.
And, to add, saying you are a mentally-ill Liberal is not name calling - it is an observation. You keep running yourself in circles. You have not provided any facts or details of your own. You simply say I am wrong, but you have yet to provide anything to back it up.
Goodbye. As I said, I am done posting. I suppose my little lie earned me a place in hell.
No, I can't say that I understand your liberal mind. As I said, you only appease them because you hate yourself.
Personally I am pro-life, but such crap like that sickens me. Also, I do not support the "gay cause", but when idiots such as the Phelps protest funerals and such I am pretty sicked by those actions as well.
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Where do you come from?
Instead of latching on to some BNP supporters BS just come out and say "i dont like muslins" you cant because you are a f..king coward.
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Before you make any more pointless accusations, let me quickly correct you. I don't mind muslims, in fact, I could care less if you're a muslim, christian,buddhist,atheist, whatever, as long as you don't involve me in your business. You know what I do mind? I mind the fact that certain muslims feel a need to push their ways on other countries cultures.
You asked where I came from. Well I'm from the Netherlands. speaking of the Netherlands, there currently is a bit of a clash here. You see, a dutch politician has made a certain "Anti - koran" film, in which he explains how it promotes violence and hate spreading it is. Now, the film hasn't been released yet but currently people in Afghanistan are pretty upset and demand that afghanistan breaks all connections with the Netherlands if the movie gets released. That's just great isn't it? You send in your military to fix the mess that country is in and now you get this, all because of the opinion of one person. Did you know there are currently discussions to get the movie banned? Keep in mind that nobody knows the content of the movie, and yet there are already discussions to get it removed, As the movie could lead to violence and terrorism.
Now read that again and understand what's going on: There is a discussion going on to remove free speech....in the Netherlands of all places, just to keep certain Muslims from being offended.[/b][/quote]
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I'm sure Muslims are thrilled that you're supporting the US in "pushing their way" into Iraq literally. As well as Afghanistan, the arabian gulf, somalia . . . . Muslims are thrilled of Israel's peace missions into Lebanon and Gaza. Muslims were thrilled about the US supplying both sides in Iran-Iraq war . . .
As a Muslim my motto to those muslims "pushing their way" is that they should realize they are:
A. not in their country
B. need to live by the rules of their new country
C. they moved from their old country to a new one and they should accept what happens there.
Now if someone offends them with an anti-koran movie what Muslims should do is:
A. Shut the fuck up about it
B. Focus on their school/education and their careers
C. Advance into their careers up to a point where they hold the power
It's been done by minority parties before. You don't like what's going on. Empower yourself through education to be in the positions that choose what movies to make and what shows to air and what not.
What they shouldn't do is:
A. Bitch and moan
B. Make a fuss about it when they have no power and only make their perception worse.
Dekron,
Is free to dislike Islam. The US has free speech, he is free to believe whatever he wants and that is his opinion. I'll say instead of reading books, talk to people who live it and who experience it.
note:
9/11 was really dubious in all facets. If it was done by muslims it wasn't done as part of a hate mongering religion it was probably done for payback for some of the following reasons.
- US's foreign policy
- US's support for Israel
You can call it religion if you want, but it's not far-fetched to call it vengeance either.
You think 9/11 occurred because Islam told a bunch of people to hate others? You think the US was targeted at random? You want something that happens for no reason look at the deranged people that shoot up malls/schools and gang violence. That has no reason, just senseless violence.
You can see my sci-fi/WW2 book recommendations.
I don't like Muslims.
And please, use common sense. Muslim is not a race, it is a "religion". Problem with whites, blacks, Arabs, Chinese, Mexican, etc. - no, problem with whites, blacks, Arabs, Chinese, Mexican, etc. who follow a dogma of hate called Islam - yes.
Correction, Islam is not a religion. It is a cult.
Muslin is not a race its a religion?...man are you thick or what. Muslims are a set of people who practice ISLAM The religion not Islams who practice the muslin religion lol. As for race...there is only one race on this planet and its the human race thicko.Who did you hate before muslims became the latest culture to hate...probably blacks and anyone else who isn't a goat.
But you can still see how some people might be getting the wrong idea, right?
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Your response of everything is wrong does not validate your argument.
I will only answer one more of your questions. What does Islam have to do with 9/11? Well, considering the individuals did it in the name of Islam - everything.
And, to add, saying you are a mentally-ill Liberal is not name calling - it is an observation. You keep running yourself in circles. You have not provided any facts or details of your own. You simply say I am wrong, but you have yet to provide anything to back it up.
Goodbye. As I said, I am done posting. I suppose my little lie earned me a place in hell.
If I kick a puppy in your name tomorrow (I will do so, but not hard, just playful, don't worry) then what do you have to do with it? Nothing. If you wrestle yourself to Iraq and kill an insurgent there in my name. What does the killing have to do with me? Nothing.
An observation is inherently objective and does not contain a conclusion. Calling me a liberal is a conclusion.
I have provided quite a lot of facts, in so far this discussion revolves around facts. When I tell you that your books aren't objective and a very poor source of information then I back this up with objective information.
I even suggested a few books you could possibly read to broaden your horizons.
On the other hand when you claim all Muslims are pushy you are unable to provide me with scientific evidence that all Muslims are pushy.
BTW, it's twice already that you have lied about your "last post" in this thread.
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One of the things that amuses me about Americans is that the ones who are big fans of Red Dawn (Wolverines!) don't get that the Iraqi insurgents are the Wolverines of the occupation of Iraq.
That is, Iraqis are reacting exactly as the Red Dawn fans imagine they'd react to some Soviet/Cuban/Nicaraguan occupation of their home towns in the United States.
They don't understand that an invasion of anyone's country is likely to result in an insurgency. It happened all over Europe during WWII, sometimes with violence as a result, as it did in France, the Ukraine, and Poland, sometimes with passive resistance as it did in the Netherlands and Denmark.
The irony of Americans reacting to people fighting for their freedom the way Reinhard Heydrich did with Czech partisans goes right over their pointy little heads.
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