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  • TechleoTechleo Member Posts: 1,984

          Some of the most fascinating parts of history have occurred in Africa. In particular I enjoyed reading about when the Chinese Red Fleet arrived in Africa to find fleets of massive Dhows trading amongst the Indian Ocean. It was a world of harsh realities and vast wealth. After returning to China with the traded and plundered materials of Africa, India and the many lands of the west, the Chinese government decided they external influences of wealthy would make China unmanageable. Thus began the isolation we are so familiar with now.

        A journal did survive though depicting the eastern coast of Africa as being inhabited by ever race and creed of man imaginable. Cities so advanced they shocked even the intellectuals among the Chinese. Sadly little remains of many of those cultures. As many have said Africa and the black cultures became a target because of there wealth. They fell prey to many of the slave traders from the areas of spain and its surrounding countries. Eventually decimating even Timbuktu which was a center of scholarly arts and culture.

       Sadly most of this isnt taught to the children in school. Fortunately anyone who wants to know need but go to the library and read. IF you have a library in your town. Unfortunately they just closed the local library where I lived due to funding issues.

  • Cabe2323Cabe2323 Member Posts: 2,939

    I personally don't care that much if they celebrate Black History Month since I consider learning always a good thing. 

     

    But what does bother me.  And this really really really bothers me.  Is that schools in the southeast feel necessary (out of political correctness) to give MLK's Birthday off as a holiday and not President's day.  I think this is utterly ridiculous.  Either both should be a day off or if only one can be then it should be President's day.  I think King was a great great man but he wasn't greater then all of our President's collectively throughout American History. /rant off

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  • AkunaiAkunai Member Posts: 138

    Black history month is meant to keep people in the dark, to give people a slave mentality?  I don't see it that way.  Because of the fact that slavery did exist, and we're still feeling the effects of racist tactics today. 

    There was some legislature passed in the last few weeks, to combat racist laws that targetted blacks by giving them more mandatory and longer sentences for similar crimes commited generally by white people.  Specifically, crack cocaine could give 100 times the penalty as powder cocaine.  President Bush spoke in the white house recently about the use of the word "lynch" and the escalation of nooses as a symbol of hate. 

    I bring these up because these things represent that time in history that we are still feeling the impact of today.  How would you explain to someone the meaning behind lynching and nooses in America without mentioning slavery and lynching?  How would you explain the inconsistency in laws without bringing up the civil rights period? 

    Not learning about these things is just absurd.  Do you really think people living in America can go about their lives without running into a situation that would make them aware of their race?  Especially a minority?  I was 8 years old the first time I was called a nigger, and had to go home and ask my father what it meant.  To not educate people on these things is just foolish.

    Nobody is saying that you shouldn't educate people on African history and culture.  But to say that people should ignore African American history?  Afircan and African American are two completely different experiences.  Life, and history, is not always positive.  I would rather learn about all aspects, from the birth of the Fertile Cresent to the marches in Washington.  I don't feel as though my mind would be tainted by learning about one and excluding the other, in fact I see it as a necessity to learn about both. 

    Black history can be a positive thing, or a negative one, depending on what you want to make of it. 

     

  • I don't have a problem with Black History Month, as long as it's main purpose is education, and it doesn't get stupid. As a case in point, way back in high school, we always had to sit through a black history month assembly, broadcast througout the school. But it wasn't for information, it was honestly more like a black power rally. You'd have black teachers at a podium ranting about how great black people are and how much they've given society...but they never explained why. You'd have students giving 'presentations,' that were little more than self-aggrandizing carnivals. I recall a black girl reciting a poem about how sexy she was. None of those presentations actually contained facts.



    And to Riki, I'm dead serious about the Boondocks. Yes there have been other racial comedies, but none of them have ever been as relevant to me. I like the Boondocks so much because it acknowledges the presence of white viewers so readily. Comedy has often been the most effective carrier of a message to particular people. And dammit, the MLK episode was a thing of genius.



    As to Coming to America, THIS is the only thing produced from that movie that ever made me laugh.

  • Rikimaru_XRikimaru_X Member UncommonPosts: 11,718

    I agree with you all the way Akunai. I know Sawtooth, that episode was great. It left me speechless actually and leaves in a lot of thought. I can't really comment on it without having another discussion.

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  • TechleoTechleo Member Posts: 1,984

       I really loved the episode where Martin Luther King Jr. woke up from a apparent coma. It was sad in a way because you almost could see his reaction to the people around him. To see how the society around him had taken what he said and twisted it... I really like that episode.

  • unconformedunconformed Member Posts: 700

    Originally posted by Akunai


    Black history month is meant to keep people in the dark, to give people a slave mentality?  I don't see it that way.  Because of the fact that slavery did exist, and we're still feeling the effects of racist tactics today. 
    There was some legislature passed in the last few weeks, to combat racist laws that targetted blacks by giving them more mandatory and longer sentences for similar crimes commited generally by white people.  Specifically, crack cocaine could give 100 times the penalty as powder cocaine.  President Bush spoke in the white house recently about the use of the word "lynch" and the escalation of nooses as a symbol of hate. 
    I bring these up because these things represent that time in history that we are still feeling the impact of today.  How would you explain to someone the meaning behind lynching and nooses in America without mentioning slavery and lynching?  How would you explain the inconsistency in laws without bringing up the civil rights period? 
    Not learning about these things is just absurd.  Do you really think people living in America can go about their lives without running into a situation that would make them aware of their race?  Especially a minority?  I was 8 years old the first time I was called a nigger, and had to go home and ask my father what it meant.  To not educate people on these things is just foolish.
    Nobody is saying that you shouldn't educate people on African history and culture.  But to say that people should ignore African American history?  Afircan and African American are two completely different experiences.  Life, and history, is not always positive.  I would rather learn about all aspects, from the birth of the Fertile Cresent to the marches in Washington.  I don't feel as though my mind would be tainted by learning about one and excluding the other, in fact I see it as a necessity to learn about both. 
    Black history can be a positive thing, or a negative one, depending on what you want to make of it. 
     
    jeez. its been alot of years. its just a bad memory of things that were. we have evolved to law and justice. but to exceptionalize justice is a mistake.  to ban a damn noose is retarded. witches were hung by nooses and the knot looks pretty secure to use it for other purposes, who knows. I dont mean to minimize that period in our history and by all means teach it. thats all im going to say.

     

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  • Jimmy_ScytheJimmy_Scythe Member CommonPosts: 3,586

    Wow, you guys must be on good behavior because this thread is three pages in and it hasn't been locked yet. Inevitably it will get out of hand and be locked, so I want to get this in before that happens.

    Black History Month is an American holiday, which is why we don't talk about the ancient history or African Kings and Egyptian rulers. We focus on the contributions of African-Americans to the history of America.

    Black History Month is not for the benefit of African-Americans. It's meant to educate white people on the struggle for equality and the essential role that African-Americans played in the formation of the United States as it is today.

    Black History Month is about overcoming adversity and not some "slave mentality." If you read the biography of Fredrick Douglass and see a slave mentality, then you aren't paying attention. If you actually read any of the successful accounts throughout all stages of the black experience in America, you will see that the individuals celebrated where blazing a path out of the so-called "slave mentality." Hell, you'll even find this in some of the epic failures, such as The Conservative Vic Lords Inc. and Huey P. Newton.

    Lastly, Black History Month gives us an opportunity to genuinely audit our performance in regards to civil rights. This is a time to look back and compare the present to the past and assess just how far we need to go yet. Again, since whites are still the power base in the U.S. the responsibility for this is largely still in our hands.

     

  • unconformedunconformed Member Posts: 700
    Originally posted by Jimmy_Scythe


     Again, since whites are still the power base in the U.S. the responsibility for this is largely still in our hands.
     



    I thought blacks had every opportunity by now. isnt the responsibility in their hands? unless you are black and are referring to yourself.

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  • osirissosiriss Member Posts: 136
    Originally posted by Jimmy_Scythe


    Wow, you guys must be on good behavior because this thread is three pages in and it hasn't been locked yet. Inevitably it will get out of hand and be locked, so I want to get this in before that happens.
    Black History Month is an American holiday, which is why we don't talk about the ancient history or African Kings and Egyptian rulers. We focus on the contributions of African-Americans to the history of America.
    Black History Month is not for the benefit of African-Americans. It's meant to educate white people on the struggle for equality and the essential role that African-Americans played in the formation of the United States as it is today.
    Black History Month is about overcoming adversity and not some "slave mentality." If you read the biography of Fredrick Douglass and see a slave mentality, then you aren't paying attention. If you actually read any of the successful accounts throughout all stages of the black experience in America, you will see that the individuals celebrated where blazing a path out of the so-called "slave mentality." Hell, you'll even find this in some of the epic failures, such as The Conservative Vic Lords Inc. and Huey P. Newton.
    Lastly, Black History Month gives us an opportunity to genuinely audit our performance in regards to civil rights. This is a time to look back and compare the present to the past and assess just how far we need to go yet. Again, since whites are still the power base in the U.S. the responsibility for this is largely still in our hands.
     

    Man ..i got to go out so i cant answer this at the moment but ill be back .

  • modjoe86modjoe86 Member UncommonPosts: 4,050

    Originally posted by Jimmy_Scythe


    Wow, you guys must be on good behavior because this thread is three pages in and it hasn't been locked yet. Inevitably it will get out of hand and be locked, so I want to get this in before that happens.
    Black History Month is an American holiday, which is why we don't talk about the ancient history or African Kings and Egyptian rulers. We focus on the contributions of African-Americans to the history of America.
    Black History Month is not for the benefit of African-Americans. It's meant to educate white people on the struggle for equality and the essential role that African-Americans played in the formation of the United States as it is today.
    Black History Month is about overcoming adversity and not some "slave mentality." If you read the biography of Fredrick Douglass and see a slave mentality, then you aren't paying attention. If you actually read any of the successful accounts throughout all stages of the black experience in America, you will see that the individuals celebrated where blazing a path out of the so-called "slave mentality." Hell, you'll even find this in some of the epic failures, such as The Conservative Vic Lords Inc. and Huey P. Newton.
    Lastly, Black History Month gives us an opportunity to genuinely audit our performance in regards to civil rights. This is a time to look back and compare the present to the past and assess just how far we need to go yet. Again, since whites are still the power base in the U.S. the responsibility for this is largely still in our hands.
     
    QFT.

    Black history month is a glorification of slaves and inequality in fledgeling america.  If anything, glorify Alexander the Great, and Macedonians, Greeks, Persians, Egyptians, Thracians, and the like.  They made a WHOLE LOT of contributions to modern society, where slave culture didn't contribute much of anything.

     

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  • AkunaiAkunai Member Posts: 138

    Originally posted by unconformed


     
    Originally posted by Akunai


    Black history month is meant to keep people in the dark, to give people a slave mentality?  I don't see it that way.  Because of the fact that slavery did exist, and we're still feeling the effects of racist tactics today. 
    There was some legislature passed in the last few weeks, to combat racist laws that targetted blacks by giving them more mandatory and longer sentences for similar crimes commited generally by white people.  Specifically, crack cocaine could give 100 times the penalty as powder cocaine.  President Bush spoke in the white house recently about the use of the word "lynch" and the escalation of nooses as a symbol of hate. 
    I bring these up because these things represent that time in history that we are still feeling the impact of today.  How would you explain to someone the meaning behind lynching and nooses in America without mentioning slavery and lynching?  How would you explain the inconsistency in laws without bringing up the civil rights period? 
    Not learning about these things is just absurd.  Do you really think people living in America can go about their lives without running into a situation that would make them aware of their race?  Especially a minority?  I was 8 years old the first time I was called a nigger, and had to go home and ask my father what it meant.  To not educate people on these things is just foolish.
    Nobody is saying that you shouldn't educate people on African history and culture.  But to say that people should ignore African American history?  Afircan and African American are two completely different experiences.  Life, and history, is not always positive.  I would rather learn about all aspects, from the birth of the Fertile Cresent to the marches in Washington.  I don't feel as though my mind would be tainted by learning about one and excluding the other, in fact I see it as a necessity to learn about both. 
    Black history can be a positive thing, or a negative one, depending on what you want to make of it. 
     
    jeez. its been alot of years. its just a bad memory of things that were. we have evolved to law and justice. but to exceptionalize justice is a mistake.  to ban a damn noose is retarded. witches were hung by nooses and the knot looks pretty secure to use it for other purposes, who knows. I dont mean to minimize that period in our history and by all means teach it. thats all im going to say.

     

     


    It's been a lot of years since the nooses were hung on trees or left in buildings?  No it hasn't, at most it's been almost a year.  If you're talking about bodies hanging from those nooses, then yeah, it has been a lot of years.  Unless you count chains around peoples' necks, and dragging to dismemberment as opposed to suffocating to death on a rope or chord.  Then it hasn't been that many years.

    History is full of bad memories, I don't know what you're trying to suggest.  We don't talk about it because its been a long time and it's a bad memory?  We've changed and evolved over time?  If those were your standards for what history we should learn, do you know how much history we wouldn't talk about?  It reminds me of that Simpsons episode when they visited Germany.  Where they were taking a tour bus and Lisa pointed out that the brochure had no information about 1939 to 1946 I think.  The German guide says that nothing happened during that time, and she says yes it did, that that was when Germany invaded Poland.  The guide gets mad and yells at her, "Nothing happened!".  

     

     

         

  • AkunaiAkunai Member Posts: 138

    Originally posted by modjoe86


     
    Originally posted by Jimmy_Scythe


    Wow, you guys must be on good behavior because this thread is three pages in and it hasn't been locked yet. Inevitably it will get out of hand and be locked, so I want to get this in before that happens.
    Black History Month is an American holiday, which is why we don't talk about the ancient history or African Kings and Egyptian rulers. We focus on the contributions of African-Americans to the history of America.
    Black History Month is not for the benefit of African-Americans. It's meant to educate white people on the struggle for equality and the essential role that African-Americans played in the formation of the United States as it is today.
    Black History Month is about overcoming adversity and not some "slave mentality." If you read the biography of Fredrick Douglass and see a slave mentality, then you aren't paying attention. If you actually read any of the successful accounts throughout all stages of the black experience in America, you will see that the individuals celebrated where blazing a path out of the so-called "slave mentality." Hell, you'll even find this in some of the epic failures, such as The Conservative Vic Lords Inc. and Huey P. Newton.
    Lastly, Black History Month gives us an opportunity to genuinely audit our performance in regards to civil rights. This is a time to look back and compare the present to the past and assess just how far we need to go yet. Again, since whites are still the power base in the U.S. the responsibility for this is largely still in our hands.
     
    QFT.

     

    Black history month is a glorification of slaves and inequality in fledgeling america.  If anything, glorify Alexander the Great, and Macedonians, Greeks, Persians, Egyptians, Thracians, and the like.  They made a WHOLE LOT of contributions to modern society, where slave culture didn't contribute much of anything.

     


    Anyone else find it ironic that most of the civilizations this guy just mentioned had slaves?

    Anyway, can you give an example of glorification of slaves and inequality in America for black history month?  I'm guessing you'd probably need to give your definition of glorification for that too.

     

  • modjoe86modjoe86 Member UncommonPosts: 4,050

     

    Originally posted by Akunai


     
    Originally posted by modjoe86


     
    Originally posted by Jimmy_Scythe


    Wow, you guys must be on good behavior because this thread is three pages in and it hasn't been locked yet. Inevitably it will get out of hand and be locked, so I want to get this in before that happens.
    Black History Month is an American holiday, which is why we don't talk about the ancient history or African Kings and Egyptian rulers. We focus on the contributions of African-Americans to the history of America.
    Black History Month is not for the benefit of African-Americans. It's meant to educate white people on the struggle for equality and the essential role that African-Americans played in the formation of the United States as it is today.
    Black History Month is about overcoming adversity and not some "slave mentality." If you read the biography of Fredrick Douglass and see a slave mentality, then you aren't paying attention. If you actually read any of the successful accounts throughout all stages of the black experience in America, you will see that the individuals celebrated where blazing a path out of the so-called "slave mentality." Hell, you'll even find this in some of the epic failures, such as The Conservative Vic Lords Inc. and Huey P. Newton.
    Lastly, Black History Month gives us an opportunity to genuinely audit our performance in regards to civil rights. This is a time to look back and compare the present to the past and assess just how far we need to go yet. Again, since whites are still the power base in the U.S. the responsibility for this is largely still in our hands.
     
    QFT.

     

    Black history month is a glorification of slaves and inequality in fledgeling america.  If anything, glorify Alexander the Great, and Macedonians, Greeks, Persians, Egyptians, Thracians, and the like.  They made a WHOLE LOT of contributions to modern society, where slave culture didn't contribute much of anything.

     


    Anyone else find it ironic that most of the civilizations this guy just mentioned had slaves?

     

    Anyway, can you give an example of glorification of slaves and inequality in America for black history month?  I'm guessing you'd probably need to give your definition of glorification for that too.

     

    For glorification of slaves and inequality: Rosa Parks, The Central High Nine, Frederick Douglass, Harriet Tubman, sit-ins, rallies, MLK, etc.

     

    As for my definition of glorification: glo·ri·fy      /?gl?r??fa?, ?glo?r-/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[glawr-uh-fahy, glohr-] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation –verb (used with object), -fied, -fy·ing.


    1. to cause to be or treat as being more splendid, excellent, etc., than would normally be considered.
    2. to honor with praise, admiration, or worship; extol.
    3. to make glorious; invest with glory.
    4. to praise the glory of (God), esp. as an act of worship.

    And as for your insight into ancient history: That's my whole point. Slavery has been around since ancient history. Why glorify it? Instead, I think people should honor the real contributions those of dark skin provided: The hellenization of the near east is pertinent, as is the respect for people in ancient times. Why the hell would I pay homage to the North American slave trade?

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  • AkunaiAkunai Member Posts: 138

    How exactly are those people being glorified the same as glorifying slavery and inequality?  Tubman and Douglas may have been slaves, but is that all they were to you?

    Again, I don't see how slavery is being glorified.  Slavery has indeed been around for a long time, so correct me if I'm wrong...but are you saying black history is nothing but slavery?  If I give respect and admiration to MLK, you're saying I'm giving respect and admiration to slavery?

    Edit: I forgot to touch on this, but I was saying it was ironic to say that those civilizations contributed so much and slavery didn't because the slaves contributed to those civilizations.

  • Rikimaru_XRikimaru_X Member UncommonPosts: 11,718

    How do we glorify them of slaves and inequality mod? I highly don't understand that. If you think about it yes ancient civilations had slaves, but we are talking about not slavery in general, but slavery in North America, slavery in the United States, where it's said the land of the free. I'm in America and it is the slave trade of America that many of us focus on. Not saying that others matter, but it hasn't been that long ago where slavery and segeration existed. People's lives have been taken for the freedom we share today. Sorry for my spelling.

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