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iampyrocow
Member Posts: 15
http://wikiscanner.virgil.gr/name2ip.php?orgname=sony+online&location=
SOE repeatedly deleting all criticism
SOE in general (mostly SWG, though)
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=prev&oldid=108747571
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=prev&oldid=108670251
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=prev&oldid=106434458
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=prev&oldid=108114875
EverQuest
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=prev&oldid=86330778
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=prev&oldid=98731369
Matrix Online CSRs
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=prev&oldid=108670729
LA did it
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=prev&oldid=108746883
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=prev&oldid=108746064
lol?
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=prev&oldid=28428360
Removing "Self Promotion"... (deleting links to fan websites)
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=prev&oldid=48357727
and adding their own
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=prev&oldid=80688218
The Smurfs are communists!212
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=prev&oldid=102774275
Comments
SOE rewriting history? Say it isn't so. I have a theory of about SOE operations its called the
"loot kill rinse repeat" marketing ploy. This must be the rinse cycle.
But couldn't it be present players altering the wiki entries, thought i saw a thread about doing just that a short time ago.
Yeah I check out the swg wikipedia article every once in a while. Whenever someone posts the truth about what happens (and cites it), this one guy always reverses it, and since hes an admin or something, the glossed over lies are what are left. Probably works for $OE.
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SWG - Killed by $OE
WOW - Retired
Playing WAR
Maybe, but not for the edits that I linked... unless they are hi-jacking SOE's IP addresses or heading over to the San Diego/Austin offices to use their computers.
Lame...
This remind anyone of a Nazi like idea?
I'm shocked, shocked that SOE operatives would alter wiki articles that dare to outline anything but the SOE corporate line.
The lack of ethics of SOE is renowned throughout gaming. This sort of behavior is to be expected of them.
CH, Jedi, Commando, Smuggler, BH, Scout, Doctor, Chef, BE...yeah, lots of SWG time invested.
Once a denizen of Ahazi
SOE, 136 edits
Blizzard 41 edits: http://wikiscanner.virgil.gr/name2ip.php?orgname=blizzard&location=
NCsoft Zero edits: http://wikiscanner.virgil.gr/name2ip.php?orgname=NCsoft&location=
CCP 30 edits: http://wikiscanner.virgil.gr/name2ip.php?orgname=Ccp%20Games%20Hq
Mythic 16 edits: http://wikiscanner.virgil.gr/name2ip.php?orgname=Mythic%20Entertainment
Interesting reading, spot the insecure mmo developer.
Can't counter an argument with a valid discussion point? Fishermage(aka Fisherprice) recommends you cut and paste: ad hominem
"You will come to the conclusion that the only people crazier than the managers who thought this a good idea are those who put up with it and pay for it." - Salvaje (who paid to play the NGE for 18 months) /golfclap
I just visited the latest version of the SOE page. How do you petition a Wiki leader person to restore/lock the page?
Send the admin a large cheque, then pray that the tyrant you get is in a good mood to listen to your request.
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SWG - Killed by $OE
WOW - Retired
Playing WAR
Why is it that corporate PR people like the ones who work for SOE and LEC, who no doubt make a lot more money than I do, are stupid enough to think that whitewash, sending trolls out to message boards, fake interviews, fake blogs, etc (all things Sony has been caught doing) is going to work?
The ONLY answer to SOE's woes is to change their ways and stop being the evil rat bastard nincompoops of the MMO industry.
This is further evidence of the undeniable incompetence of Smed, that he thinks that all they need is better PR (which is what they mean when they say "communication") and they can continue on being the evil rat bastard nincompoops of the industry, but will be loved and admired instead of hated as they are now.
It's very obvious on all levels that management is incapable of seeing what their real situation is and how to get themselves out of it. The SWG situation is a great example of this.
What have they done since the NGE? Undo the NGE? NO, NEVER! They've tried to improve PR, by creating the illusion that the Devs now listen to the players (which a few have fallen for) but not listening to the players where it really matters (like, uh, do something to de NGE the NGE, do classic, whatever). In the end nothing has really changed. The game is still fundamentally the NGE and little resembles either previous version. The only major new features they've added in the last year (collections and "foozle" instances) are still things ripped from WoW or EQ2, not things from Pre-CU. This makes the NGE more appealing to pre-NGE players how?
The only difference is that the players get to provide input on meaningless trivialities, such as the color of instruments. And some people think this is great communication by the Devs and SOE turning over a new leaf. Sad. Fortunately the vast majority don't fall for this, as evidenced by the empty servers.
You know, they could have spent the time and effort they did on writing a completely new instance engine (a waste of effort really when they already HAD an instance engine) to, oh, you know, maybe revamp munitions so that crafted weapons could equal or, hell, even COMPETE with looted... Or fixed that shoot through terrain problem... Or added back more professions...
Yeah, they sure are listening.
Thanks for the laughs, some of those edits are funny, like one turned from a wall of text into one sentance. And that smurf part is funny, Kim Jong il is crazy, he has a massive collection of movies.
I'm going to look up others like VG, PotBS, etc., I've been reading around other forums and this one in those games and they also get more negatives than positives.
why is it always evil rats??? what's wrong with rats? We are people too you know
(and yes, I am a rat. And proud of it, thank you very much
)
SOE, 136 edits
Blizzard 41 edits: http://wikiscanner.virgil.gr/name2ip.php?orgname=blizzard&location=
NCsoft Zero edits: http://wikiscanner.virgil.gr/name2ip.php?orgname=NCsoft&location=
CCP 30 edits: http://wikiscanner.virgil.gr/name2ip.php?orgname=Ccp%20Games%20Hq
Mythic 16 edits: http://wikiscanner.virgil.gr/name2ip.php?orgname=Mythic%20Entertainment
Interesting reading, spot the insecure mmo developer.
Thing is, I've looked at edits from companies such as Blizzard and BioWare, and I all I see is minor edits that fix spelling errors and other inaccuracies. Only similar thing I have found so far is Nintendo deleting a paragraph on some hardware problems for the GameCube and DS... which was a surprise.
SOE, 136 edits
Blizzard 41 edits: http://wikiscanner.virgil.gr/name2ip.php?orgname=blizzard&location=
NCsoft Zero edits: http://wikiscanner.virgil.gr/name2ip.php?orgname=NCsoft&location=
CCP 30 edits: http://wikiscanner.virgil.gr/name2ip.php?orgname=Ccp%20Games%20Hq
Mythic 16 edits: http://wikiscanner.virgil.gr/name2ip.php?orgname=Mythic%20Entertainment
Interesting reading, spot the insecure mmo developer.
Thing is, I've looked at edits from companies such as Blizzard and BioWare, and I all I see is minor edits that fix spelling errors and other inaccuracies. Only similar thing I have found so far is Nintendo deleting a paragraph on some hardware problems for the GameCube and DS... which was a surprise.
Yeah that's my whole point, all the other game developers I looked at on there make very few edits and the ones that do are usually cosmetic, not really changing any of the content. SOE on the other hand, well lets just say that if they put as much time into their games as they do scanning and editing the wiki site, they'd have a much better line up of quality titles on their hands.
Can't counter an argument with a valid discussion point? Fishermage(aka Fisherprice) recommends you cut and paste: ad hominem
"You will come to the conclusion that the only people crazier than the managers who thought this a good idea are those who put up with it and pay for it." - Salvaje (who paid to play the NGE for 18 months) /golfclap
Try to buy people and place propaganda in key places sounds like $OE.
$OE don't learned anything , it is the fascistic like corporation it ever was.
-----MY-TERMS-OF-USE--------------------------------------------------
$OE - eternal enemy of online gaming
-We finally WON !!!! 2011 $OE accepted that they have been fired 2005 by the playerbase and closed down ridiculous NGE !!
"There was suppression of speech and all kinds of things between disturbing and fascistic." Raph Koster (parted $OE)
Interestingly, the Bush maladministration also thinks that the solution to their problems is better PR, not changing their destructive policies, foreign and domestic.
Look how well that's working for them, with their 19-30% approval ratings!
CH, Jedi, Commando, Smuggler, BH, Scout, Doctor, Chef, BE...yeah, lots of SWG time invested.
Once a denizen of Ahazi
Yes.. it does. It also sounds like every other company on the planet trying to sell a product. Quaint.
Not really. I spend quite some time studying the corporate environment; including marketing strategies, product development, and management. They are not all liars and most can't afford to even attempt to buy everyone. Most simply try and beat the competition, make a better product, or do the same thing as the others at a lower price.
Only a small minority operate the way SONY does, which is why, for the most part, their strategy has failed over the past five years.
fishermage.blogspot.com
Bah! I don't see the issue here, wikis are suposed to work like this. Anyone can edit, why can't companies? And why couldn't you just change it back?
A lot of the removed text was way too critical for an encyclopedia like wikipedia anyway.
I still want to know why you are blaming rats... and furthermore why you are considering them evil...
Rats were the source of the black plague.
Rats are a sign of uncleanliness.
Rats are rodents.
Rats eat corpses.
Being a rat is not a good thing. Like a rat-bastard.
Willard used rats to kill people.
Rattatouie is a Disney production.
Hell is infested with rats.
Anything else?
*sniff*
I'm a rat
Rats are cunning creatures, of which SoE does NOT qualify
Wikis are not supposed to work like that. You are supposed to contribute and moderate, not go around removing all (factual) negative information about yourself.
The part they repeatedly deleted mentioned that SOE had made controversial changes (actually in that sentence they only deleted the part about Star Wars Galaxies, leaving it to read that they had only made major gameplay changes to EverQuest) and that the NGE was the most significant example of this practice. I don't believe that information was out of place in the article.
If they don't want to have negative information about themselves in articles, they should probably stop shitting on their playerbase and maybe do a good job on one of their games or something like that.
oh yes sir i am worried if wikipedia should work like this.
Let say in murder case do you want the culprit also be the judge ?
"way to critical" ? are you serious ?
-----MY-TERMS-OF-USE--------------------------------------------------
$OE - eternal enemy of online gaming
-We finally WON !!!! 2011 $OE accepted that they have been fired 2005 by the playerbase and closed down ridiculous NGE !!
"There was suppression of speech and all kinds of things between disturbing and fascistic." Raph Koster (parted $OE)
Wikis are not supposed to work like that. You are supposed to contribute and moderate, not go around removing all (factual) negative information about yourself.
The part they repeatedly deleted mentioned that SOE had made controversial changes (actually in that sentence they only deleted the part about Star Wars Galaxies, leaving it to read that they had only made major gameplay changes to EverQuest) and that the NGE was the most significant example of this practice. I don't believe that information was out of place in the article.
If they don't want to have negative information about themselves in articles, they should probably stop shitting on their playerbase and maybe do a good job on one of their games or something like that.
Which is the bottom line. No amount of PR, spin, fake articles, one sided "interviews" and Wikipedia editing is ever going to improve SOE's reputation. Only large, drastic changes in SOE's business practices themselves, along with a TON of apologizing, crawling and scraping at the feet of their customers and former customers can do this.
One thing that you have to understand is that SOE is a part of Sony. Sony is the most arrogant, anti-customer strong arming corporation in the electronics and entertainment business. They think nothing, of slipping a rootkit onto a CD, for example, and care even less when they get caught. Fines and such aren't enough to punish a company the size of Sony because they represent less money than they spend on toilet paper in a month.
They have been caught numerous times running fake blogs, planting articles, etc. They are the iconic example of corporate hubris.
Now that they've won the HD DVD war expect this inflated sense of entitlement and ego to only get worse from here.
Back to SOE. One thing you have to understand when you wonder why someone like Smed still has a job after all his numerous failures and piss poor, anti customer reputation (Smed would hands down win any vote for "most unpopular figure in MMO gaming) is that he fits RIGHT IN with other Sony managers. They ALL operate the way Smed does. They are literally peas in a pod.
To really go off topic, SOE, Sony, and John Smedley are excellent examples of why corporate law needs reform both in the United States and elsewhere in the world. Actions like the rootkit, and the fraud of the NGE and the TOOW expansion should land people who decide to do them in the slammer. Fines should be set higher so as to HURT the bottom line of companies for doing such dishonest actions so as to be a DETERRENT to doing them. Executive officers of corporations should have to forefit salary to pay fines.
And, there needs to be such a thing as a "corporate death penalty" which would allow especially egregious repeat offenders to be dissolved and their assets auctioned off. Right now the law with respect to corporations and individuals are very unbalanced. Things that would land an individual in jail for a corporation can routinely shrug off as "a minor cost of doing business".