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Child Molestation ????
War_Eagle
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Something I don't understand so much is how things have changed about acceptable ages of maturity.
For instance, if you look back in history you will notice that people married at very early ages. Someone told me that it was because people didn't live as old back then. But when I look a the ages of many people from the 1700's and 1800's I find that they really didn't die all that much younger than we do. The still lived into their early 70's.
So what's different? I don't get it. Look at the life of Thomas Edison for example...
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Marriages and children
On December 25, 1871, at the age of 24, Edison married 16-year-old Mary Stilwell, whom he had met two months earlier. They had three children:
- Marion Estelle Edison (1873–1965), nicknamed "Dot"
- Thomas Alva Edison Jr. (1876–1935), nicknamed "Dash"
- William Leslie Edison (1878–1937)[10]
Mary Edison died on August 9, 1884.
On February 24, 1886, at the age of 39, Edison married 20-year-old Mina Miller in Akron, Ohio.[11] They also had three children:
- Madeleine Edison (1888–1979), who married John Eyre Sloane[12][13]
- Charles Edison (1890–1969), who took over the company upon his father's death and who later was elected Governor of New Jersey[14] He is buried in Rosedale Cemetery in Orange, New Jersey.
- Theodore Miller Edison (1898–1992).[15]
Mina outlived Thomas Edison, dying on August 24, 1947.[16][17]
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I've also noticed that people did things (mature things) a lot sooner as well. They wrote books, went to work, made big decisions, managed a home, owned property and farms, and generally participated in the affairs that adults took care of.
Have we become a society of adult children? Are we just not doing the things we need to do because we're too stuck in our infantile state of mind for too long?
And how come people like Thomas Edison could marry someone who is 16 while he was 24 and nobody batted an eye at it? Nowadays you would end up in prison!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Then at 39 he marries a 20 year old!!!!
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Now you do realize that edison was a genius and had access to greater wealth than your average person thus raising the chances that he would be able to get better resources to live off of, right?
To do a more accurate comparison you would have to look at the people who aren't remembered and lived a less than extraordinary life and see what the average life span was.
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I have thought about this a lot. To the point where I went down to the county seat and looked at some old property records and marriage certificates for the county I live in. There were property owners who were 13 and 14 years old!!!! They were marrying at the same ages. They were taking care of a home, farm, and children at those ages.
Actually, it was men who were anywhere from 15 to late 20's to mid 30's and later marrying women who were in their early teens. It happened a lot.
You can go to your county seat as well and check them out. It's all public record. I live in Alabama, so it was mostly property issues here. But even if you live in a larger place I'm sure you will find the marriage stuff the same.
Do it, it's interesting to dig through history like that.
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I'd say it's because there's a tremendous difference between the ages 17 and 18, as well as haven passed high school and still in progress. Once you're 18, you can legally vote, smoke tobacco, buy porn, sign all sorts of contracts without parent consent, and is also the age which most people finish high school. Most parents would wait until this time before they start teaching their kids the important stuff in life such as managing money, being successfully involved the world of adults, and other things. Before this age, parents would only emphasize the importance of school to their kids. School keeps the kids busy the majority of the time, while the parents took care of the important stuff. And so, it has become a society where the lives of the children has been spelled out for them. There is no push for teenagers to start learning and practicing the adult life at early ages, like there was in the past; because in the past, education wasn't so institutionalized and being successful (in the standards of those days) didn't require you to have high school diplomats.
What I was referring to was not marriage but lifespan when speaking of edison and his wealth giving access to greater resources.
As for the institution of marriage, I totally believe that people were marrying at a younger age. I'm not convinced that getting married at 15 or 16 is really the best course of for someone like me though. In fact I'm not sure I want to get married at all.
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Hot teenage girl > saggy fat sack 30 year old
Meh.. that's society for yah. Morality is based on the standards of the society, and those standards change over time. Custom said it was ok to get yourself some jailbait ass back then, so they did. Humans are capable from producing young long before age 18 after all... And on that creepy note, I leave you.
Hot teenage girl > saggy fat sack 30 year old
Man, that made me laugh.Ok. I'm 31. The oldest girl I've ever dated was 23. My ex left me a few months before she turned 24, some irony.
I have to be honest. I'm not sure I could socialize with woman my age. Woman my age are...older. We as men really do stay mentally younger longer. Woman mature faster. For me it's not that woman aren't attractive at 30+ I just can't get there mentally.
My little brother is 21, his girlfriend is 18, and she has a friend who just turned 18 who thinks I'm old but she would still "give it to me". I'm so going to ruin her for every 18 year old boy out there. And yeah, I do feel a bit like a perv. Do I care? HELL NO! More then feeling like a perv I feel a little weird that my little brothers girlfriend is pimping her friend on me. She is such a kind hearted young lady.
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I think it has to do with several issues, but the largest is probably that our society today is enormously more complicated than that of even 60 years ago. It takes a lot more time to get a handle on it, and increasing numbers of people never *do* get a handle on it.
Lowered expectations and excessive protectionism by "parents" and the government are also a big reason, I think: people these days are brought up to be dependenant on others rather than encouraged to be self-sufficient as possible. Dependant people are easier to control via their dependencies.
A 14,15,16... year old person can take care of themselves. There's no reason for them to be wrapped up and trapped in the education system if they don't want to be there or have the motivation. I think that's one of the major problems with our schools now. Let them leave if they want to. Let them get a lesson of what life is really about. Then if they decide they want to come back later on, then let them. But all we're doing now is keeping people until their 18+ years old. There's no reason for that.
It might sound bad and cold, but like you've heard before, someone has to scrub the toilets and mop the floors. Some people are happy that way. Let them be happy. Don't keep them in our education system bringing down those that appreciate it.
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I'm not so sure our society is more complicated though. More f'd up, yeah. But not more complex. You ever tried to take care of property that has something like a farm on it? It's a lot of work and responsibility. I think it's as much or more complicated than just about any desk job you could put it up against.
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I'm totally against all laws involving personal choice. It's not the government's role to shape society or culture to something religious or "moral."
Gay marriage, statutory rape, drinking/smoking age laws, drug bans... They all are personal choices which the government disallows.
As the OP said, in the past these things were not considered 'bad.' As far as statutory rape, people change their minds about what's moral, which jades the definition of morality in the first place. If something is wrong it remains wrong forever.
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I think the fact that education wasn't so institutionalized was actually a plus. At least then the people who were in the education system actually wanted to be there. And the people out of it were aware that they actually had to be able to take care of themselves (no matter what their age).A 14,15,16... year old person can take care of themselves. There's no reason for them to be wrapped up and trapped in the education system if they don't want to be there or have the motivation. I think that's one of the major problems with our schools now. Let them leave if they want to. Let them get a lesson of what life is really about. Then if they decide they want to come back later on, then let them. But all we're doing now is keeping people until their 18+ years old. There's no reason for that.
It might sound bad and cold, but like you've heard before, someone has to scrub the toilets and mop the floors. Some people are happy that way. Let them be happy. Don't keep them in our education system bringing down those that appreciate it.
I actually agree that's it's schooling that changed things. The education system is completely dif. then it was 100 years ago. Kids had to be adults as teens; now kids aren't adults until they get out of school highschool, around the time they turn 18 for most of them.
I don't agree with letting kids simply quit school. Only because in todays society it's becoming increasingly harder to support yourself if you don't get a college education. 100 years ago you learned on the job. Not so much anymore. Look at law enforcement. Most states require 2 years of college and criminal justice to be a police officer. My little brother, while an aprentice electrician still has to take college courses to stay in his aprenticeship even though eveything he needs to know he's learning on the job and not in those classes. It's actually rather sad because there are a lot of jobs out there that pay a well and you only need a very basic education to do, but they require some college, if not college then a high school diploma.
Here's one for you. Right out of highschool I was running a small truck rental company, I made very good money for being teenager. One of the offices I ran rented Penske trucks. A gentleman from an acutal penske office, not an independant rental agent, called me one day and tried to recruit me. Here was the problem, they required 2 years of college and they would pay me LESS THEN HALF what I was making. Two years of college to rent a goddamn tuck! And for 12.50 and hour! That ranked up there with one of the most assinine conversations I've ever had.
The Burger King across the street from me actually prefers thier managers to have some college experience. WTF!
A lot of the banks in my area are starting to require college experience to work in them. Jobs that highschool kids were doing when I was in highschool. You do most everything on an F'ing computer, you only need to be remotely awake to do the job.
But it's the experience. It's the willingness to commitment that they look for, not the education. Unless it's a job that you need specialized training for college is completely useless. We've brainwashed ourselves into thinking that you NEED a higher education.
But I'm way off the subject; so to get back on course I'll leave you with this:
If there's grass on the field play ball. Now that's creepy.
Edit: Tired so more grammatical errors then usual.
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The wonderful thing about higher education is that whether or not you actually graduate, you end up deep in debt. Yep. Then you can work for many years to pay off that debt for an education you probably don't need in the first place.
funny how people refer to history to say that what were doing now is questionable ..... the romans would pimp out their children (younger then 14) to other romans, if people against the government intervening in this matter, had it their way, we would revert back to child prostitution.
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tvalentine,
Yes, obviously you are right. I mean, taking it to the extreme is naturally what everyone would do. Everyone takes everything to the extreme, after all. And, naturally, everyone is a Roman under the thin veneer of civilization. Thanks for pointing that out.
do you know how many child molesters there are in america?? There is alot, and alot more people who do the child pron thing. Would you really be surprised to see child prostitution, i mean women and sold as sex slaves in america right now, but of course you can continue thinking that everyone is good and wouldnt commit extreme, harsh crimes.
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Some countries in Europe are not so far away from the 17/18 century when it comes to sex. Already, 20 European countries have ages of consent lower than l6. The minimum age is effectively l2 in the Netherlands, Spain, Portugal and Malta. It's 14 in Slovenia, Iceland, Montenegro, Serbia, Italy, San Marino, Albania and, in certain circumstances, Germany. All these laws apply equally to hetero and homo sex.
Compared to the UK which is 16 , age 12 seems a bit extreme but i guess other nations see it differently. For the people who come from Holland..does this mean that a 50 year old man can have sex(consenting sex) with a child of 12?
I am not knocking holland because there teenage birth rate is one of the lowest in europe and std are very low compared to the uk. Going by that you must be doing something right when it comes to educating kids and being open about sex.
Hot teenage girl > saggy fat sack 30 year old
I have to be honest. I'm not sure I could socialize with woman my age. Woman my age are...older. We as men really do stay mentally younger longer. Woman mature faster. For me it's not that woman aren't attractive at 30+ I just can't get there mentally.
I disagree. That's feminist propaganda.
Yeehawww partner! I agree, damn government is stopping me from having sex with children, its my personal choice dammit!
*Disclaimer* I'm not a child molester this is intended as a joke.
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No matter HOW OLD.. EDUCATE these young folk instead of lying to them about the idea and reasons behind sexual activity.. No more storks folks.. And even if they are legally ABLE to have it, you just may be suprised about how many who actually do NOT feel ready to have it..
tvalentine,
Yes, everyone I know is a child molester, including me. That's all any of us think about: molesting children. We all have child sex slaves. It's the thing to do, and it's cheap! It's even legal! We all feel very relaxed all the time.
Plus, you are, once again, completely correct in thinking that I believe everyone is good. Not just some people. Everyone. We're all good people and there is no one who is bad. Even bad people are good people, just misunderstood.
It's a good thing that you don't pretend to read my mind by trying to tell me what I think, because that would be bad, and there are no bad people. Stating I believe that there are only good people in the world would be bad except I just said I don't believe there are any bad people in the world, so saying that is good. Isn't that good?
Please keep making your comments, as they are always correct and never extreme, and they are always good and never bad. Say a hello to your child sex slave for me, too.
Thanks.
Thats why we fight wars... Because one guy thinks he's RIGHT and the other is WRONG and vice versa..
I'm not an anarchist but I have to say, my ideas of "child molestation" dig alot deeper than the mere occurance of "years alive"... It has ALOT to do with the teachings and morality of the people involved.. Also the mentality and maturity of the subject in question.. Could we hold an amish community to the same "moral standards" as the rest of us, though they have their own moral code that probably includes the marriage of young females to older males?... No.. we couldnt and you'd be a dictator like idiot if you thought you could force them (with the power of the government) to think like you did...
LOL!!....ok listen up, I have heard a few stories about this..... Ladies in general back then weren’t as independent as they are nowadays. I have heard many stories from elderly ladies about women were majority homemakers and such; nowadays they're everything from judges to salesperson. I believe back then it was ok for women to marry at a young age because they're parents were ok with it. I believe and have heard that women marry young to successful men to have a better future for themselves because unlike today women back then couldn’t be the next president. A successful future back then (for women) was to have a big house and lots of children. Women are more independent today therefore don’t have to rely on men as much for anything....they have more rights and more jobs available to them today. They don't want to marry young or they're parents don;t want them to marry young because the young ladies can be anything they want to be not just a house wife or a mother. Think about it why settle down when you can be the next Oprah? or Hiliary? Women have new dreams and new standards and marrying young will prevent most of them from reaching those goals and dreams. There is alot of schooling to obtain master degrees and such. It would be very hard to do your schooling with 3 kids and a husband who is a full time worker. ( I know you thinking babysitter but what if you cant afford it nor have any friends or family near or willing to help you out?)