It seems to me that the main problem here is a lack of basic education. Most Suicide bombers and terrorists cant read or write, so they rely on the Mullahs [right word?] to tell them what the Koran states. And he also tells them what is right for them to believe, therefore indoctrinating them early on to a unnatural mindset.
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It seems to me that the main problem here is a lack of basic education. Most Suicide bombers and terrorists cant read or write, so they rely on the Mullahs [right word?] to tell them what the Koran states. And he also tells them what is right for them to believe, therefore indoctrinating them early on to a unnatural mindset.
Hmm ..i have to question where you got this info from .. I am not a terrorist but if i was a betting man i would say any terrorist what ever color religion/culture can read just fine. I wonder if the IRA let there soldiers read when they were at war.
Tells them what to believe in ! like Christianity right? or any other religion..
Sounds like you've been opening christmas crackers way before xmas day...l
It seems to me that the main problem here is a lack of basic education. Most Suicide bombers and terrorists cant read or write, so they rely on the Mullahs [right word?] to tell them what the Koran states. And he also tells them what is right for them to believe, therefore indoctrinating them early on to a unnatural mindset.
Hmm ..i have to question where you got this info from .. I am not a terrorist but if i was a betting man i would say any terrorist what ever color religion/culture can read just fine. I wonder if the IRA let there soldiers read when they were at war.
Tells them what to believe in ! like Christianity right? or any other religion..
Sounds like you've been opening christmas crackers way before xmas day...l
Hyperion's right.
If you want to you can always look up Afghanistan's literacy rates. While you're at it look up whether or not people in Afghanistan speak Arab.
BTW, Cryomatrix already explained why the Qur'An isn't really a book easy to interpret and how Muslims cope with this problem.
World Literacy chart. I would say the low lit rates are probably a contributing factor, in conjunction with the brainwashing you get from the radical priests.. no, not really surprising. The uninformed are easily manipulated.
http://www.mrdowling.com/800literacy.html World Literacy chart. I would say the low lit rates are probably a contributing factor, in conjunction with the brainwashing you get from the radical priests.. no, not really surprising. The uninformed are easily manipulated.
Literacy is no guarantor, either. If the Koran is anything like the Bible, it's not a casual read by any stretch, and experts have been debating the meaning of many passages, and groups of passages, for centuries.
All too many literate Christians believe what they're told by pastors/reverends/priests without bothering to consult with the scripture.
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If they wanted to apply Shariah law then it should only apply to muslims, which isnt a too bad idea as Muslims caught planning for any extremism wouldnt be jailed, they would be 'sleeping with the fishes.' It'd help for all this ridiculous hysteria of Islam=Terrorism. It'd obviously affect the whole community slightly. Besides, british law is obviously based on the culture of Britain which by majority is white.
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In some places you can't join the boy scouts if you're an athiest. It started when I was a kid. And you, "pledge alligence under god." I would stand, I would put my hand over my heart, I just wouldn't say the words. One process for brainwashing is to have everyone recite the same few lines over and over together in unison until it becomes imbedded in the individuals brain; it becomes a kind of subconscience thought process. It creates conformity and a group mentallity. Put it to a rythm, a kind of hum or hymn, and it's more effective. Naturally this isn't the only way to brainwash people, just one technique. Imagine doing this with a bunch of young children, every day for the first 16-18 years of thier life; then ask yourself why do they really do the pledge of alligence in schools. There is a lot more to prayer then most people think. Even humming can be more then just making noise.
Ah, I didn't know that about the Boy Scouts. That's pretty weird they do that.
And I'd understand why you wouldn't want to recite those words. For one, connecting "God" with a democratic nation is contradicting a basic value of a good working democracy: the segregation of religion and state.
I too had to pray in school (was that kind of school) but my fellow students and I weren't as loyal to the actual words as we should've... "Oh Farter Who fart in heaven..." Stuff like that. Fun when you're 10.
But knowing a bit about propaganda and mass-manipulation I can only say you were more than right not to participate in those brainwashing sessions.
god forbid everyone who recites the pledge of allegiance is brainwashed into supporting their country . I dont understand why you wouldnt say it unless it directly went against your beliefs. I think its wierd how people dont say the pledge because of the "under god" section of the whole pledge ...... But please by all means try and belittle me and explain how the "pledge of allegiance" is there to brainwash people.
"One nation under God" I could understand why that would go against ones beliefs. Seperation of church and state is fundamental to a good working democracy.
And yes, it's no secret things like a pledge of allegiance exist to brainwash. It's one of those tools to instill unity in a group of people. It's actually quite normal that such things exist in society.
"I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
Because its crazy to want justice and liberty for everybody ...... and its just down right satanic to pledge your allegiance to the US, you know the country where you have more freedoms then most other countries? And the country where people risk their lives to get too.
It's not the actual words that are of importance. Besides, words can be interpreted freely and when you have enough of a warped mind liberty can start to mean slavery.
It's the fact that everyone has to say the same thing over and over again.
See how you automatically assume the US is the true nation of the free, where there are more liberties than in other nations and you also somehow assume that the US is that one single country that's so amazing and so great people would die to get there.
Your lack of perspective explains to me exactly why brainwashing is an everyday phenomena in US society and why, despite the obviousness of it, people still fall for it.
its funny how you say that i think the US is (see yellow text), but i didnt even say that. And i also didnt say that it is the one single country thats amazing. I told you facts, and you tryed to twist my words around to make me look like some american fanatic. Nice try though. And you still havent explained the parts of the pledge of allegiance that are directly bad. All you are saying is that "its brainwashing and its bad!" When you yourself are showing the same characteristics of people who say the pledge, but you instead of patriotism, you hate america. So please break down the pledge and tell me what parts are teaching/brainwashing american society bad thoughts.
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Originally posted by SioBabble Originally posted by Zikiel http://www.mrdowling.com/800literacy.html World Literacy chart. I would say the low lit rates are probably a contributing factor, in conjunction with the brainwashing you get from the radical priests.. no, not really surprising. The uninformed are easily manipulated.
Literacy is no guarantor, either. If the Koran is anything like the Bible, it's not a casual read by any stretch, and experts have been debating the meaning of many passages, and groups of passages, for centuries. All too many literate Christians believe what they're told by pastors/reverends/priests without bothering to consult with the scripture.
The Koran is similar to the bible with many words being out of the common vernacular of arabic. Meaning if you grew up in an Arab country your whole life but were never trained to know some of the vocabulary of the Koran you would have a hard time reading it. Many archaic words are used. Also, only 14% of Muslims are actually arab, so you have about 10-14% that can actually read it in the native arabic.
What's funny is that there are many muslims (non-arab types) who have memorized the whole Koran letter for letter but don't know what any of it means as they don't know arabic . It's quite funny actually. There are translations but many people have this problem of relying on mullahs (urdu/hindi word) or sheikhs (arabic word) and not using their F'n brain.
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First, ignore what you think brainwashing is. Brainwashing isn't some schmoe waling into a room with some men and walking out bleary eyed and dazed mumbling to themself. It's not about making subservient zombies that follow your every command. It's a much more subtle, very subtle, process, and it's something that goes on all around us.
Here's another example for you. A lot of retail stores will have morning meetings, and a lot of them often have a "cheer" they will do. For example, at Modell's every morning there is a huddle. At the huddle everyone is supposed to clap in unison and follow along in a cheer. Every morning all of the associates come together and recite the same chant to a rythm. You do this over and ove and over again when you work for them. Why do they do it? To instill a sence of pride and loyalty to the company. At it's roots this is brainwashing. It's not creating fanatics, it's not creating terrorists, it's not an evil thing to do.
No you're not going to go home and preach the awsomeness of Modell's, but it does help in employee turnover and retention, and is one of the reasons that a lot of retail stores will do this with thier employees. Or attempt to. Not many people want to do that first thing in the morning, even the guy that's running the store.
Go to a retail business seminar and you'll very likely be encouraged to employ a morning cheer.
People have developed this stigma with the word brainwashing. They've been watching thier sci-fi movies, or seen the stories on the news about cults committing mass suicide and come to think of brainwashing as this evil act to enslave people. It can be, but for the most part it's not.
A rational free thinking person isn't strapping a bomb on themself and blowing crap up. They've been brainwashed, at least most of them, and one of the techniques that radical will use is to gather a bunch of people and chant or pray or hum or whatever. Then they look for the people that have been the most receptive and begin "teaching" them. The teacher is very charismatic; at first they seem scarey but very likable. They will talk softly, but be forcefull about what they believe, they will excite thier student. Thier student wil be quite, often withdrawn, but demonstrate a thirst to learn. They will usually be very into what is going on around them. Then they will teach them how to construct a bomb and that person will kill themself for what ever ideal thier teacher has instilled in them. In the case of muslims extremists don't have to worry about the gathering and prayig part, they already do this on a regular basis so step one is already in the bag.
Brainwashing doesn't have to have an alterior motive either. It can be as simple as a small group of friends bonding. Why do we sing? Why do we sing together? Ever been in a car with a group of friends and you all start singing along to a song? You're not brainwashing yourselves to blow stuff up, but you are bonding. The only dif. between brainwashing and bonding is that when you brainwash someone you are trying to instill an ideal or idea in a person, and bonding is just growing closer as friends, but they are both a method of drawing people together, either towards a goal or a feeling. You bond to draw closer to your friends, you brainwash to instill a specific or not so specific idea or ideal in someone.
Now something to remember, someone who's been brainwashed doesn't know that it's happened. Now think about that as you question whether or not the pledge of alligence is a method of brainwashing.
And the milk thing was just to give an example, one really tiny one, as to why I think there is to much government in every day American life. I'm also very unhappy that a part of my federal tax money goes to pay the salary of a priest that works in the white house.
It seems to me that the main problem here is a lack of basic education. Most Suicide bombers and terrorists cant read or write, so they rely on the Mullahs [right word?] to tell them what the Koran states. And he also tells them what is right for them to believe, therefore indoctrinating them early on to a unnatural mindset.
Hmm ..i have to question where you got this info from .. I am not a terrorist but if i was a betting man i would say any terrorist what ever color religion/culture can read just fine. I wonder if the IRA let there soldiers read when they were at war.
Tells them what to believe in ! like Christianity right? or any other religion..
Sounds like you've been opening christmas crackers way before xmas day...l
This topic is about Islam and as a consequence a lot of the posts are about Muslim terrorists in places like Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan etc. And because of this that was what my post was about too.
I would have thought this was obvious!
Anyway there have been many documentaries about this, they are very interesting. The basic premise tho is that one way for a terrorist to become is for say a Peasant farmer in say Afghanistan who grows Cocaine for example [its a very profitable crop and the warlords encourage it and frown on those who try not to]. This farmer spends all his money developing the crop in the hope of a good harvest, and the peacekeepers come over to burn his crops. Now I'm not against this as most of that stuff ends up in my country but now that farmer is really poor now.
Stuff like that creates ill feeling to the west and makes the farmer and his family Vulnerable to a sympathetic voice. And this is where the terrorists come in with there Mullahs who come in give them food shelter etc and offers to educate them and support them. And this is how it sometimes begins.
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In some places you can't join the boy scouts if you're an athiest. It started when I was a kid. And you, "pledge alligence under god." I would stand, I would put my hand over my heart, I just wouldn't say the words. One process for brainwashing is to have everyone recite the same few lines over and over together in unison until it becomes imbedded in the individuals brain; it becomes a kind of subconscience thought process. It creates conformity and a group mentallity. Put it to a rythm, a kind of hum or hymn, and it's more effective. Naturally this isn't the only way to brainwash people, just one technique. Imagine doing this with a bunch of young children, every day for the first 16-18 years of thier life; then ask yourself why do they really do the pledge of alligence in schools. There is a lot more to prayer then most people think. Even humming can be more then just making noise.
Ah, I didn't know that about the Boy Scouts. That's pretty weird they do that.
And I'd understand why you wouldn't want to recite those words. For one, connecting "God" with a democratic nation is contradicting a basic value of a good working democracy: the segregation of religion and state.
I too had to pray in school (was that kind of school) but my fellow students and I weren't as loyal to the actual words as we should've... "Oh Farter Who fart in heaven..." Stuff like that. Fun when you're 10.
But knowing a bit about propaganda and mass-manipulation I can only say you were more than right not to participate in those brainwashing sessions.
god forbid everyone who recites the pledge of allegiance is brainwashed into supporting their country . I dont understand why you wouldnt say it unless it directly went against your beliefs. I think its wierd how people dont say the pledge because of the "under god" section of the whole pledge ...... But please by all means try and belittle me and explain how the "pledge of allegiance" is there to brainwash people.
"One nation under God" I could understand why that would go against ones beliefs. Seperation of church and state is fundamental to a good working democracy.
And yes, it's no secret things like a pledge of allegiance exist to brainwash. It's one of those tools to instill unity in a group of people. It's actually quite normal that such things exist in society.
"I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
Because its crazy to want justice and liberty for everybody ...... and its just down right satanic to pledge your allegiance to the US, you know the country where you have more freedoms then most other countries? And the country where people risk their lives to get too.
It's not the actual words that are of importance. Besides, words can be interpreted freely and when you have enough of a warped mind liberty can start to mean slavery.
It's the fact that everyone has to say the same thing over and over again.
See how you automatically assume the US is the true nation of the free, where there are more liberties than in other nations and you also somehow assume that the US is that one single country that's so amazing and so great people would die to get there.
Your lack of perspective explains to me exactly why brainwashing is an everyday phenomena in US society and why, despite the obviousness of it, people still fall for it.
its funny how you say that i think the US is (see yellow text), but i didnt even say that. And i also didnt say that it is the one single country thats amazing. I told you facts, and you tryed to twist my words around to make me look like some american fanatic. Nice try though. And you still havent explained the parts of the pledge of allegiance that are directly bad. All you are saying is that "its brainwashing and its bad!" When you yourself are showing the same characteristics of people who say the pledge, but you instead of patriotism, you hate america. So please break down the pledge and tell me what parts are teaching/brainwashing american society bad thoughts.
Oh dear...
It's not funny how I think that you're saying that "the US is the true nation of the free, where there are more liberties than in other nations". Because what you said was
Originally posted by tvalentine
and its just down right satanic to pledge your allegiance to the US, you know the country where you have more freedoms then most other countries?
So where exactly did I misquote you?
I didn't deny any such thing about the US. I was merely pointing out that you were enlarging and over-emphasizing the amount of liberties in US society. Your reaction is all what interests me.
And if you truly care (I very much doubt you do) about what I think then you would've know I said this:
Originally posted by MadAce
I think the US, despite everything, is still not that bad to live in. I'd think someone living in Belarus has less freedom than someone living in the US.
You said exactly:
Originally posted by tvalentine
and its just down right satanic to pledge your allegiance to the US, you know the country where you have more freedoms then most other countries?
It might seem a small matter, but this little word reveals a lot about the context. You say "the" country. As in D-Day not as in "an apple" but as in "the apple" as if everyone knows which exact apple you're talking about.
So I did not try to twist your words. They were more than clear enough.
It's spelled "tried" not "tryed", btw.
I do not need to explain "which parts of the Pledge are bad". Because here's what I said before:
Originally posted by MadAce
It's not the actual words that are of importance. Besides, words can be interpreted freely and when you have enough of a warped mind liberty can start to mean slavery.
It's the fact that everyone has to say the same thing over and over again.
I do not think I have to explain anything any further. You on the other hand have to explain why you didn't read that earlier. Was it that hard to miss?
You also accuse me of saying that brainwashing is bad. I said no such thing. In fact:
Originally posted by MadAce
It's one of those tools to instill unity in a group of people. It's actually quite normal that such things exist in society.
How's that for "just calling it bad"?
Last issue:
How exactly do I hate America? I have no problems with The Americas nor do I have any issues with the USA.
In conclusion:
Your reading comprehension skills are sorely lacking. Considering your love for your country I shall put the blame with you and not with the US system of education.
EDIT: nm you win, you are soooo much better then me, i stand corrected .... i just have one question ... how long did it take you to compose that post?
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People are more closely related to the dog, it turns out. teach a dog to bite and snarl as a pup and adolescence, and it will bite and snarl as an adult. that was easy. give a potential jihadist an Easy Bake Oven for his youth and see what happens.
Originally posted by osiriss Instead of latching on to some BNP supporters BS just come out and say "i dont like muslins" you cant because you are a f..king coward.
I don't like Muslims.
And please, use common sense. Muslim is not a race, it is a follower of a "religion". Problem with whites, blacks, Arabs, Chinese, Mexican, etc. - no, problem with whites, blacks, Arabs, Chinese, Mexican, etc. who follow a dogma of hate called Islam - yes.
Correction, Islam is not a religion. It is a cult.
Christian, huh? Not surprising in the least. As for a religion of hate, how's that line about throwing stones in glass houses go?
Originally posted by osiriss Instead of latching on to some BNP supporters BS just come out and say "i dont like muslins" you cant because you are a f..king coward.
I don't like Muslims.
And please, use common sense. Muslim is not a race, it is a follower of a "religion". Problem with whites, blacks, Arabs, Chinese, Mexican, etc. - no, problem with whites, blacks, Arabs, Chinese, Mexican, etc. who follow a dogma of hate called Islam - yes.
Correction, Islam is not a religion. It is a cult.
Christian, huh? Not surprising in the least. As for a religion of hate, how's that line about throwing stones in glass houses go?
I can't remember the last time a group of Christians beheaded someone though.
Don't get me wrong, I've suffered the wrath of many Christian judgments. But trying to equate Christianity today with Muslim problems is hard to do.
I can't remember the last time a group of Christians beheaded someone though.
Don't get me wrong, I've suffered the wrath of many Christian judgments. But trying to equate Christianity today with Muslim problems is hard to do.
It is some serious misguided moral relativity.
A "Christian" bombs an abortion clinic and he represents everything Christian. Muslums kill thousands with several hijacked aircraft and it is mostly forgotten only a few years later.
Edited for spelling. I am a very bad speller if you want to know. That is what most of my editing is.
Originally posted by osiriss Instead of latching on to some BNP supporters BS just come out and say "i dont like muslins" you cant because you are a f..king coward.
I don't like Muslims.
And please, use common sense. Muslim is not a race, it is a follower of a "religion". Problem with whites, blacks, Arabs, Chinese, Mexican, etc. - no, problem with whites, blacks, Arabs, Chinese, Mexican, etc. who follow a dogma of hate called Islam - yes.
Correction, Islam is not a religion. It is a cult.
Christian, huh? Not surprising in the least. As for a religion of hate, how's that line about throwing stones in glass houses go?
People are more closely related to the dog, it turns out. teach a dog to bite and snarl as a pup and adolescence, and it will bite and snarl as an adult. that was easy. give a potential jihadist an Easy Bake Oven for his youth and see what happens.
That's an easy one. They just start mailing exploding fruitcakes at Christmas time.
EDIT: nm you win, you are soooo much better then me, i stand corrected .... i just have one question ... how long did it take you to compose that post?
About 3 minutes. My comp was rendering something (as it usually is) so I had some spare minutes anyways.
Good thread this, was an interesting read. Oh and the Dekron guy is a bigot, too 'dislike' (hate) 1 billion people based solely on their religion is quite simply.. umm.. retarded.
I dislike the satanic religion and the satanist who practice it. I hear they're in the millions. Does that make me a bigot also?
Get real, man. Dekron is no bigot.
Edit: Usually the first ones to bring up bigotry/racism in a discussion are the first ones I suspect of bigotry/racism. Wonder why that would be?
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Urdig and MadAce, in my opinion, know what they are talking about from a social psychologists' point of view.
It seems to me that the main problem here is a lack of basic education. Most Suicide bombers and terrorists cant read or write, so they rely on the Mullahs [right word?] to tell them what the Koran states. And he also tells them what is right for them to believe, therefore indoctrinating them early on to a unnatural mindset.
Another great example of Moore's Law. Give people access to that much space (developers and users alike) and they'll find uses for it that you can never imagine. "640K ought to be enough for anybody" - Bill Gates 1981
Hmm ..i have to question where you got this info from ..Tells them what to believe in ! like Christianity right? or any other religion..
Sounds like you've been opening christmas crackers way before xmas day...l
Tells them what to believe in ! like Christianity right? or any other religion..
Sounds like you've been opening christmas crackers way before xmas day...l
Hyperion's right.
If you want to you can always look up Afghanistan's literacy rates. While you're at it look up whether or not people in Afghanistan speak Arab.
BTW, Cryomatrix already explained why the Qur'An isn't really a book easy to interpret and how Muslims cope with this problem.
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World Literacy chart. I would say the low lit rates are probably a contributing factor, in conjunction with the brainwashing you get from the radical priests.. no, not really surprising. The uninformed are easily manipulated.
Literacy is no guarantor, either. If the Koran is anything like the Bible, it's not a casual read by any stretch, and experts have been debating the meaning of many passages, and groups of passages, for centuries.
All too many literate Christians believe what they're told by pastors/reverends/priests without bothering to consult with the scripture.
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If they wanted to apply Shariah law then it should only apply to muslims, which isnt a too bad idea as Muslims caught planning for any extremism wouldnt be jailed, they would be 'sleeping with the fishes.' It'd help for all this ridiculous hysteria of Islam=Terrorism. It'd obviously affect the whole community slightly. Besides, british law is obviously based on the culture of Britain which by majority is white.
We're all Geniuses. Most of us just don't know it.
Ah, I didn't know that about the Boy Scouts. That's pretty weird they do that.
And I'd understand why you wouldn't want to recite those words. For one, connecting "God" with a democratic nation is contradicting a basic value of a good working democracy: the segregation of religion and state.
I too had to pray in school (was that kind of school) but my fellow students and I weren't as loyal to the actual words as we should've... "Oh Farter Who fart in heaven..." Stuff like that. Fun when you're 10.
But knowing a bit about propaganda and mass-manipulation I can only say you were more than right not to participate in those brainwashing sessions.
If you're interested in manipulation: video.google.com/videoplay
god forbid everyone who recites the pledge of allegiance is brainwashed into supporting their country
"One nation under God" I could understand why that would go against ones beliefs. Seperation of church and state is fundamental to a good working democracy.
And yes, it's no secret things like a pledge of allegiance exist to brainwash. It's one of those tools to instill unity in a group of people. It's actually quite normal that such things exist in society.
"I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
Because its crazy to want justice and liberty for everybody ...... and its just down right satanic to pledge your allegiance to the US, you know the country where you have more freedoms then most other countries? And the country where people risk their lives to get too.
It's not the actual words that are of importance. Besides, words can be interpreted freely and when you have enough of a warped mind liberty can start to mean slavery.
It's the fact that everyone has to say the same thing over and over again.
See how you automatically assume the US is the true nation of the free, where there are more liberties than in other nations and you also somehow assume that the US is that one single country that's so amazing and so great people would die to get there.
Your lack of perspective explains to me exactly why brainwashing is an everyday phenomena in US society and why, despite the obviousness of it, people still fall for it.
its funny how you say that i think the US is (see yellow text), but i didnt even say that. And i also didnt say that it is the one single country thats amazing. I told you facts, and you tryed to twist my words around to make me look like some american fanatic. Nice try though. And you still havent explained the parts of the pledge of allegiance that are directly bad. All you are saying is that "its brainwashing and its bad!" When you yourself are showing the same characteristics of people who say the pledge, but you instead of patriotism, you hate america. So please break down the pledge and tell me what parts are teaching/brainwashing american society bad thoughts.Playing: EVE Online
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All too many literate Christians believe what they're told by pastors/reverends/priests without bothering to consult with the scripture.
The Koran is similar to the bible with many words being out of the common vernacular of arabic. Meaning if you grew up in an Arab country your whole life but were never trained to know some of the vocabulary of the Koran you would have a hard time reading it. Many archaic words are used. Also, only 14% of Muslims are actually arab, so you have about 10-14% that can actually read it in the native arabic.
What's funny is that there are many muslims (non-arab types) who have memorized the whole Koran letter for letter but don't know what any of it means as they don't know arabic
. It's quite funny actually. There are translations but many people have this problem of relying on mullahs (urdu/hindi word) or sheikhs (arabic word) and not using their F'n brain.
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Tvalentine,
First, ignore what you think brainwashing is. Brainwashing isn't some schmoe waling into a room with some men and walking out bleary eyed and dazed mumbling to themself. It's not about making subservient zombies that follow your every command. It's a much more subtle, very subtle, process, and it's something that goes on all around us.
Here's another example for you. A lot of retail stores will have morning meetings, and a lot of them often have a "cheer" they will do. For example, at Modell's every morning there is a huddle. At the huddle everyone is supposed to clap in unison and follow along in a cheer. Every morning all of the associates come together and recite the same chant to a rythm. You do this over and ove and over again when you work for them. Why do they do it? To instill a sence of pride and loyalty to the company. At it's roots this is brainwashing. It's not creating fanatics, it's not creating terrorists, it's not an evil thing to do.
No you're not going to go home and preach the awsomeness of Modell's, but it does help in employee turnover and retention, and is one of the reasons that a lot of retail stores will do this with thier employees. Or attempt to. Not many people want to do that first thing in the morning, even the guy that's running the store.
Go to a retail business seminar and you'll very likely be encouraged to employ a morning cheer.
People have developed this stigma with the word brainwashing. They've been watching thier sci-fi movies, or seen the stories on the news about cults committing mass suicide and come to think of brainwashing as this evil act to enslave people. It can be, but for the most part it's not.
A rational free thinking person isn't strapping a bomb on themself and blowing crap up. They've been brainwashed, at least most of them, and one of the techniques that radical will use is to gather a bunch of people and chant or pray or hum or whatever. Then they look for the people that have been the most receptive and begin "teaching" them. The teacher is very charismatic; at first they seem scarey but very likable. They will talk softly, but be forcefull about what they believe, they will excite thier student. Thier student wil be quite, often withdrawn, but demonstrate a thirst to learn. They will usually be very into what is going on around them. Then they will teach them how to construct a bomb and that person will kill themself for what ever ideal thier teacher has instilled in them. In the case of muslims extremists don't have to worry about the gathering and prayig part, they already do this on a regular basis so step one is already in the bag.
Brainwashing doesn't have to have an alterior motive either. It can be as simple as a small group of friends bonding. Why do we sing? Why do we sing together? Ever been in a car with a group of friends and you all start singing along to a song? You're not brainwashing yourselves to blow stuff up, but you are bonding. The only dif. between brainwashing and bonding is that when you brainwash someone you are trying to instill an ideal or idea in a person, and bonding is just growing closer as friends, but they are both a method of drawing people together, either towards a goal or a feeling. You bond to draw closer to your friends, you brainwash to instill a specific or not so specific idea or ideal in someone.
Now something to remember, someone who's been brainwashed doesn't know that it's happened. Now think about that as you question whether or not the pledge of alligence is a method of brainwashing.
And the milk thing was just to give an example, one really tiny one, as to why I think there is to much government in every day American life. I'm also very unhappy that a part of my federal tax money goes to pay the salary of a priest that works in the white house.
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Tells them what to believe in ! like Christianity right? or any other religion..
Sounds like you've been opening christmas crackers way before xmas day...l
This topic is about Islam and as a consequence a lot of the posts are about Muslim terrorists in places like Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan etc. And because of this that was what my post was about too.I would have thought this was obvious!
Anyway there have been many documentaries about this, they are very interesting. The basic premise tho is that one way for a terrorist to become is for say a Peasant farmer in say Afghanistan who grows Cocaine for example [its a very profitable crop and the warlords encourage it and frown on those who try not to]. This farmer spends all his money developing the crop in the hope of a good harvest, and the peacekeepers come over to burn his crops. Now I'm not against this as most of that stuff ends up in my country but now that farmer is really poor now.
Stuff like that creates ill feeling to the west and makes the farmer and his family Vulnerable to a sympathetic voice. And this is where the terrorists come in with there Mullahs who come in give them food shelter etc and offers to educate them and support them. And this is how it sometimes begins.
Another great example of Moore's Law. Give people access to that much space (developers and users alike) and they'll find uses for it that you can never imagine. "640K ought to be enough for anybody" - Bill Gates 1981
Ah, I didn't know that about the Boy Scouts. That's pretty weird they do that.
And I'd understand why you wouldn't want to recite those words. For one, connecting "God" with a democratic nation is contradicting a basic value of a good working democracy: the segregation of religion and state.
I too had to pray in school (was that kind of school) but my fellow students and I weren't as loyal to the actual words as we should've... "Oh Farter Who fart in heaven..." Stuff like that. Fun when you're 10.
But knowing a bit about propaganda and mass-manipulation I can only say you were more than right not to participate in those brainwashing sessions.
If you're interested in manipulation: video.google.com/videoplay
god forbid everyone who recites the pledge of allegiance is brainwashed into supporting their country
"One nation under God" I could understand why that would go against ones beliefs. Seperation of church and state is fundamental to a good working democracy.
And yes, it's no secret things like a pledge of allegiance exist to brainwash. It's one of those tools to instill unity in a group of people. It's actually quite normal that such things exist in society.
"I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
Because its crazy to want justice and liberty for everybody ...... and its just down right satanic to pledge your allegiance to the US, you know the country where you have more freedoms then most other countries? And the country where people risk their lives to get too.
It's not the actual words that are of importance. Besides, words can be interpreted freely and when you have enough of a warped mind liberty can start to mean slavery.
It's the fact that everyone has to say the same thing over and over again.
See how you automatically assume the US is the true nation of the free, where there are more liberties than in other nations and you also somehow assume that the US is that one single country that's so amazing and so great people would die to get there.
Your lack of perspective explains to me exactly why brainwashing is an everyday phenomena in US society and why, despite the obviousness of it, people still fall for it.
its funny how you say that i think the US is (see yellow text), but i didnt even say that. And i also didnt say that it is the one single country thats amazing. I told you facts, and you tryed to twist my words around to make me look like some american fanatic. Nice try though. And you still havent explained the parts of the pledge of allegiance that are directly bad. All you are saying is that "its brainwashing and its bad!" When you yourself are showing the same characteristics of people who say the pledge, but you instead of patriotism, you hate america. So please break down the pledge and tell me what parts are teaching/brainwashing american society bad thoughts.
Oh dear...It's not funny how I think that you're saying that "the US is the true nation of the free, where there are more liberties than in other nations". Because what you said was
Originally posted by tvalentine
and its just down right satanic to pledge your allegiance to the US, you know the country where you have more freedoms then most other countries?
So where exactly did I misquote you?
I didn't deny any such thing about the US. I was merely pointing out that you were enlarging and over-emphasizing the amount of liberties in US society. Your reaction is all what interests me.
And if you truly care (I very much doubt you do) about what I think then you would've know I said this:
Originally posted by MadAce
I think the US, despite everything, is still not that bad to live in. I'd think someone living in Belarus has less freedom than someone living in the US.
You said exactly:
Originally posted by tvalentine
and its just down right satanic to pledge your allegiance to the US, you know the country where you have more freedoms then most other countries?
It might seem a small matter, but this little word reveals a lot about the context. You say "the" country. As in D-Day not as in "an apple" but as in "the apple" as if everyone knows which exact apple you're talking about.
So I did not try to twist your words. They were more than clear enough.
It's spelled "tried" not "tryed", btw.
I do not need to explain "which parts of the Pledge are bad". Because here's what I said before:
Originally posted by MadAce
It's not the actual words that are of importance. Besides, words can be interpreted freely and when you have enough of a warped mind liberty can start to mean slavery.
It's the fact that everyone has to say the same thing over and over again.
I do not think I have to explain anything any further. You on the other hand have to explain why you didn't read that earlier. Was it that hard to miss?
You also accuse me of saying that brainwashing is bad. I said no such thing. In fact:
Originally posted by MadAce
It's one of those tools to instill unity in a group of people. It's actually quite normal that such things exist in society.
How's that for "just calling it bad"?
Last issue:
How exactly do I hate America? I have no problems with The Americas nor do I have any issues with the USA.
In conclusion:
Your reading comprehension skills are sorely lacking. Considering your love for your country I shall put the blame with you and not with the US system of education.
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People are more closely related to the dog, it turns out. teach a dog to bite and snarl as a pup and adolescence, and it will bite and snarl as an adult. that was easy. give a potential jihadist an Easy Bake Oven for his youth and see what happens.
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I don't like Muslims.
And please, use common sense. Muslim is not a race, it is a follower of a "religion". Problem with whites, blacks, Arabs, Chinese, Mexican, etc. - no, problem with whites, blacks, Arabs, Chinese, Mexican, etc. who follow a dogma of hate called Islam - yes.
Correction, Islam is not a religion. It is a cult.
Christian, huh? Not surprising in the least. As for a religion of hate, how's that line about throwing stones in glass houses go?
I don't like Muslims.
And please, use common sense. Muslim is not a race, it is a follower of a "religion". Problem with whites, blacks, Arabs, Chinese, Mexican, etc. - no, problem with whites, blacks, Arabs, Chinese, Mexican, etc. who follow a dogma of hate called Islam - yes.
Correction, Islam is not a religion. It is a cult.
Christian, huh? Not surprising in the least. As for a religion of hate, how's that line about throwing stones in glass houses go?
I can't remember the last time a group of Christians beheaded someone though.Don't get me wrong, I've suffered the wrath of many Christian judgments. But trying to equate Christianity today with Muslim problems is hard to do.
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It is some serious misguided moral relativity.
A "Christian" bombs an abortion clinic and he represents everything Christian. Muslums kill thousands with several hijacked aircraft and it is mostly forgotten only a few years later.
Edited for spelling. I am a very bad speller if you want to know. That is what most of my editing is.
I don't like Muslims.
And please, use common sense. Muslim is not a race, it is a follower of a "religion". Problem with whites, blacks, Arabs, Chinese, Mexican, etc. - no, problem with whites, blacks, Arabs, Chinese, Mexican, etc. who follow a dogma of hate called Islam - yes.
Correction, Islam is not a religion. It is a cult.
Christian, huh? Not surprising in the least. As for a religion of hate, how's that line about throwing stones in glass houses go?
Once again, who ever said I was a Christian?
That would be me.
That would be me.
Well, you fail, because I am not.
That's an easy one. They just start mailing exploding fruitcakes at Christmas time.
About 3 minutes. My comp was rendering something (as it usually is) so I had some spare minutes anyways.
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Good thread this, was an interesting read.
Oh and the Dekron guy is a bigot, too 'dislike' (hate) 1 billion people based solely on their religion is quite simply.. umm.. retarded.
O_o o_O
I dislike the satanic religion and the satanist who practice it. I hear they're in the millions. Does that make me a bigot also?
Get real, man. Dekron is no bigot.
Edit: Usually the first ones to bring up bigotry/racism in a discussion are the first ones I suspect of bigotry/racism. Wonder why that would be?