[quote]Originally posted by CaedesAstrum [b][quote]Originally posted by Kyleran
[quote]Originally posted by Krulos [quote]Originally posted by infrared1
Originally posted by Krulos
And what you fail to understand is that many players of this game don't really care about Warhammer lore, and certainly I don't recall seeing any miniatures that went splat when you hit them.
Good animations and blood are completely fine and what they should aim for.
It's when you start hacking limbs off that people get upset. While it also helps immersion to add gore effects like such, it also ruins it when you respawn moments after dying with all limbs intact.
Gore in or out ? I don't much care. I think what folks here are talking about it more along the lines of "extreme gore" (ie. blood and body parts flying) I look at it more from a performance issue......having a massive RvR battle going on with blood flying all over will bring most to a crawl....it's already hard enough with spell effects on! (yes, having an option to turn them off like in DAoC would be nice).
If they put gore in, I can already hear it now....the same folks on here shouting for gore in the game will be the FIRST to be bitching about "that gore brings my machine to it's knees *wah wah wha*""
BUT even then....haven't they said that there will be "gore" in the game to some extent....as mentioned with trophies and all...but also in "some" damage effects...I know I saw mention of some Chaos mobs will "bleed" rats instead of blood.
... This thread is pointless every single one of us would still play the game if it was Teen or Mature. Honestly does the rating matter? We're old enough to buy our games without anyone telling us no so what does it matter? Ooh its Not Mature so it doesn't have cussing in it..psh Wrong! You can cuss and have bloody corpses in Teen rated games. Excessively gorey, sexually explicit language and naked boobs get you Mature Ratings. As long as there's no sexual content in the game we're unlikely to see a Mature rating unless suddenly heads fall off adn blood sprays everywhere. Which I personally don't think the game needs if we want to have massive battles. That many heads flying around would just equal = lag. Not to mention being stupid since we'd just see that person again several mins later head intact.
The argument that Mature rated games keep out kids is again wrong. Go on team speak for various Mature rated games and you're bound to eventually find several foul mouthed little kids or foul mouthed completely immature adults. Maturity of players has nothing to do with ratings.
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I agree with the OP that there should be some level of gore in this game...after al it is Warhammer. That being said, I also agree that I would rather have performance than a whinning HD because of all the additional graphics content.
I do believe that there is a balance somewhere. Many many times I have seen games that have gone overboard on trying to make the environment to realistic and the character models or combat frame rates suffer. Tone down the ambient lighting, the shadows etc...these are great in the begining but they are quickly pushed aside after the 1st few hours of game play.
However...I assume the same argument could be used for gore. In the begining it would be really cool, but the novelty would probably wear off.
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Hi all, when i want gore in the game, i dont mean flying limbs and rip out hearts of your enemy finish moves. I simply want some blood when u strike your foe, and not some flashy tekken combat "KAPOW" sparks. I dont think this will mess up your machine more than "KAPOW".
Not going to happen. Warhammer what was once projected as a dark ,gloomy and gritty world has now been turned into cartoony with rainbows and sunshine like some other games.
Originally posted by DuraheLL Originally posted by Krulos Its warhammer! The lore in this old game is one of the most bloody and violent ever...why not bring this to the mmo also? Is there any gore in WOW? no. Do many kids play WOW? yes.
Come on people, Krulos is right. I mean, it's WARHAMMER! WAR is everywhere, people walking around wearing other's body parts as trophies, people finding death FUN! A twisted world where the best of it is in how brutaly you can kill your enemies.
AoC has gore and it will go like this for many players.
First 10 kills. OMG that is awesome, I chopped its head off. Next 40 kills. This is soooooo coool. 500+ kills later. (request feature to turn of stupid gore, its lame and causes me to lag)
So why should Mythic waist dev/designer time on such nonsense?
Not going to happen. Warhammer what was once projected as a dark ,gloomy and gritty world has now been turned into cartoony with rainbows and sunshine like some other games.
Maybe to you walking around seeing corpses hanging from trees and casters wearing human skin is happy sunshine land but last time I thought about it I considered it pretty damn dark and gritty. Dark and gritty doesn't mean it has to be colorless and lifeless or even Realistic.
hmm human skull in hand..creepy dude..creepy room where's the rainbows?
Hi all, when i want gore in the game, i dont mean flying limbs and rip out hearts of your enemy finish moves. I simply want some blood when u strike your foe, and not some flashy tekken combat "KAPOW" sparks. I dont think this will mess up your machine more than "KAPOW".
Blood when you strike someone is not gore, it's just violence.
Gore is more or less hacking your foe to pieces and having a bloody mess at your feet.
I am pretty sure they will have blood when you strike your foe, so don't worry about it.
Not going to happen. Warhammer what was once projected as a dark ,gloomy and gritty world has now been turned into cartoony with rainbows and sunshine like some other games.
Maybe to you walking around seeing corpses hanging from trees and casters wearing human skin is happy sunshine land but last time I thought about it I considered it pretty damn dark and gritty. Dark and gritty doesn't mean it has to be colorless and lifeless or even Realistic.
hmm human skull in hand..creepy dude..creepy room where's the rainbows?
Originally posted by CaedesAstrum you hit miniatures? what is wrong with you?
Well, he does seem to have quite an anger problem, but it's his expectation that his miniatures should go "splat" that makes me wonder if he might be psychotic.
When I want a single-player story, I'll play a single-player game. When I play an MMO, I want a massively multiplayer world.
Not going to happen. Warhammer what was once projected as a dark ,gloomy and gritty world has now been turned into cartoony with rainbows and sunshine like some other games.
Maybe to you walking around seeing corpses hanging from trees and casters wearing human skin is happy sunshine land but last time I thought about it I considered it pretty damn dark and gritty. Dark and gritty doesn't mean it has to be colorless and lifeless or even Realistic.
hmm human skull in hand..creepy dude..creepy room where's the rainbows?
do i need to go on and find all the ones from the newsletters too?
I don't think we share the same sense of dark and gritty. Those look realy colorful and cartoonish for a game like Warhammer I'm sad to say. But that might be because I'm much older then the target crowd.
I don't think we share the same sense of dark and gritty. Those look realy colorful and cartoonish for a game like Warhammer I'm sad to say. But that might be because I'm much older then the target crowd.
I'm older than you Knas maybe its just personal experience but happy sunshine land doesn't involve corpses and demons. Its ... like frigging Care A Lot rainbow bright if the game suddenly looked like that I'd be sorely disappointed. I think to many of you make assumptions on graphics and screen shots without waiting for the final product. I'm eternally sad fo rpeople that only look at the cover.
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Another vote for gore. Warhammer is supposed to be a dark and brutal setting.
Having said that, the reality is that they're going for the later-edition, bright and toony wargame feel, so I wouldn't be surprised if the gore gets left out.
I wouldn't mind seeing blood drip when a player was hit with a bleed DoT (if it is in this game)
I wouldn't mind seeing blood splatter when a player made a critical strike.
My point is that blood/gore should be tied into the game to bring a visual effect to attacks that will change the outcome of a fight which you normally wouldn't notice unless you looked at the combat tab or your health bar.
Also, I don't think this game is visually dark and foreboding - it doesn't scare me, and I doubt it scares any of you. A video game based on warhammer should have a certain atmosphere to it that seems to be lacking here - maybe they'll add fog, smoke, or turn down the lighting or something before release. After seeing those screens i don't think a fluffy floppy eared bunny rabbit nibbling on grass in the background would look out of place, do you?
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[quote]Originally posted by CaedesAstrum
[b][quote]Originally posted by Kyleran
[quote]Originally posted by Krulos
[quote]Originally posted by infrared1
This reply made me LOL^^^^^
Just for some of the ppl's info.
All Warhammer 40k series got gore an rated M for Mature.
Warhammer Mark of Chaos is also rated M for mature Which WAR is obviously mostly based on it.
all these games got blood and gore, language, and violance.
I wouldn't be surprised if WAR will be rated M.
Good animations and blood are completely fine and what they should aim for.
It's when you start hacking limbs off that people get upset. While it also helps immersion to add gore effects like such, it also ruins it when you respawn moments after dying with all limbs intact.
Gore in or out ? I don't much care. I think what folks here are talking about it more along the lines of "extreme gore" (ie. blood and body parts flying) I look at it more from a performance issue......having a massive RvR battle going on with blood flying all over will bring most to a crawl....it's already hard enough with spell effects on! (yes, having an option to turn them off like in DAoC would be nice).
If they put gore in, I can already hear it now....the same folks on here shouting for gore in the game will be the FIRST to be bitching about "that gore brings my machine to it's knees *wah wah wha*""
BUT even then....haven't they said that there will be "gore" in the game to some extent....as mentioned with trophies and all...but also in "some" damage effects...I know I saw mention of some Chaos mobs will "bleed" rats instead of blood.
... This thread is pointless every single one of us would still play the game if it was Teen or Mature. Honestly does the rating matter? We're old enough to buy our games without anyone telling us no so what does it matter? Ooh its Not Mature so it doesn't have cussing in it..psh Wrong! You can cuss and have bloody corpses in Teen rated games. Excessively gorey, sexually explicit language and naked boobs get you Mature Ratings. As long as there's no sexual content in the game we're unlikely to see a Mature rating unless suddenly heads fall off adn blood sprays everywhere. Which I personally don't think the game needs if we want to have massive battles. That many heads flying around would just equal = lag. Not to mention being stupid since we'd just see that person again several mins later head intact.
The argument that Mature rated games keep out kids is again wrong. Go on team speak for various Mature rated games and you're bound to eventually find several foul mouthed little kids or foul mouthed completely immature adults. Maturity of players has nothing to do with ratings.
Please Refer to Doom Cat with all conspiracies & evil corporation complaints. He'll give you the simple explination of..WE"RE ALL DOOMED!
Here we go again....
I agree with the OP that there should be some level of gore in this game...after al it is Warhammer. That being said, I also agree that I would rather have performance than a whinning HD because of all the additional graphics content.
I do believe that there is a balance somewhere. Many many times I have seen games that have gone overboard on trying to make the environment to realistic and the character models or combat frame rates suffer. Tone down the ambient lighting, the shadows etc...these are great in the begining but they are quickly pushed aside after the 1st few hours of game play.
However...I assume the same argument could be used for gore. In the begining it would be really cool, but the novelty would probably wear off.
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Hi all, when i want gore in the game, i dont mean flying limbs and rip out hearts of your enemy finish moves. I simply want some blood when u strike your foe, and not some flashy tekken combat "KAPOW" sparks. I dont think this will mess up your machine more than "KAPOW".
Not going to happen. Warhammer what was once projected as a dark ,gloomy and gritty world has now been turned into cartoony with rainbows and sunshine like some other games.
AoC has gore and it will go like this for many players.
First 10 kills. OMG that is awesome, I chopped its head off.
Next 40 kills. This is soooooo coool.
500+ kills later. (request feature to turn of stupid gore, its lame and causes me to lag)
So why should Mythic waist dev/designer time on such nonsense?
Jonny
Maybe to you walking around seeing corpses hanging from trees and casters wearing human skin is happy sunshine land but last time I thought about it I considered it pretty damn dark and gritty. Dark and gritty doesn't mean it has to be colorless and lifeless or even Realistic.
hmm human skull in hand..creepy dude..creepy room where's the rainbows?
http://mythicmktg.fileburst.com/war/us/media/images/screenshots/SS0208_05.jpg
hmm dead bodies on the ground creepy archtecture..where's my sunshine land?!
http://mythicmktg.fileburst.com/war/us/media/images/screenshots/SS_1207_02.jpg
ugly dead forest i thought this would be green pastures if its happy time!
http://mythicmktg.fileburst.com/war/us/media/images/screenshots/SSot_1107_05.jpg
ooh corpses on display with those pale creepy dead eyes
http://mythicmktg.fileburst.com/war/us/media/images/screenshots/SST_0807_23.jpg
Ooh gory heads on a spike mmm must be BBQ day right cause its sunshine land!
http://mythicmktg.fileburst.com/war/us/media/screenshots/Screens20070905_18.jpg
do i need to go on and find all the ones from the newsletters too?
Please Refer to Doom Cat with all conspiracies & evil corporation complaints. He'll give you the simple explination of..WE"RE ALL DOOMED!
Gore is more or less hacking your foe to pieces and having a bloody mess at your feet.
I am pretty sure they will have blood when you strike your foe, so don't worry about it.
Maybe to you walking around seeing corpses hanging from trees and casters wearing human skin is happy sunshine land but last time I thought about it I considered it pretty damn dark and gritty. Dark and gritty doesn't mean it has to be colorless and lifeless or even Realistic.
hmm human skull in hand..creepy dude..creepy room where's the rainbows?
http://mythicmktg.fileburst.com/war/us/media/images/screenshots/SS0208_05.jpg
hmm dead bodies on the ground creepy archtecture..where's my sunshine land?!
http://mythicmktg.fileburst.com/war/us/media/images/screenshots/SS_1207_02.jpg
ugly dead forest i thought this would be green pastures if its happy time!
http://mythicmktg.fileburst.com/war/us/media/images/screenshots/SSot_1107_05.jpg
ooh corpses on display with those pale creepy dead eyes
http://mythicmktg.fileburst.com/war/us/media/images/screenshots/SST_0807_23.jpg
Ooh gory heads on a spike mmm must be BBQ day right cause its sunshine land!
http://mythicmktg.fileburst.com/war/us/media/screenshots/Screens20070905_18.jpg
do i need to go on and find all the ones from the newsletters too?
HAHAHAHAHA, I thought the exact same thing as you ElvenAngel when I read his post.
Maybe he's on the wrong forum because I've been following WAR for over a year now and I've yet to see a rainbow....
SaintViktor will be in AoC that's all, apparently he doesn't like them "WAR rainbows"
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Global Warming is a huge issue, and we appreciate his work to bring it to light but Al Gore has no place in Warhammer Online.
Well, he does seem to have quite an anger problem, but it's his expectation that his miniatures should go "splat" that makes me wonder if he might be psychotic.
When I want a single-player story, I'll play a single-player game. When I play an MMO, I want a massively multiplayer world.
Maybe to you walking around seeing corpses hanging from trees and casters wearing human skin is happy sunshine land but last time I thought about it I considered it pretty damn dark and gritty. Dark and gritty doesn't mean it has to be colorless and lifeless or even Realistic.
hmm human skull in hand..creepy dude..creepy room where's the rainbows?
http://mythicmktg.fileburst.com/war/us/media/images/screenshots/SS0208_05.jpg
hmm dead bodies on the ground creepy archtecture..where's my sunshine land?!
http://mythicmktg.fileburst.com/war/us/media/images/screenshots/SS_1207_02.jpg
ugly dead forest i thought this would be green pastures if its happy time!
http://mythicmktg.fileburst.com/war/us/media/images/screenshots/SSot_1107_05.jpg
ooh corpses on display with those pale creepy dead eyes
http://mythicmktg.fileburst.com/war/us/media/images/screenshots/SST_0807_23.jpg
Ooh gory heads on a spike mmm must be BBQ day right cause its sunshine land!
http://mythicmktg.fileburst.com/war/us/media/screenshots/Screens20070905_18.jpg
do i need to go on and find all the ones from the newsletters too?
I don't think we share the same sense of dark and gritty. Those look realy colorful and cartoonish for a game like Warhammer I'm sad to say. But that might be because I'm much older then the target crowd.
The opening into to Warhammer 40K strategy game is full of blood.
They need to do this with WAR.
I'm older than you Knas maybe its just personal experience but happy sunshine land doesn't involve corpses and demons. Its ... like frigging Care A Lot rainbow bright if the game suddenly looked like that I'd be sorely disappointed. I think to many of you make assumptions on graphics and screen shots without waiting for the final product. I'm eternally sad fo rpeople that only look at the cover.
Please Refer to Doom Cat with all conspiracies & evil corporation complaints. He'll give you the simple explination of..WE"RE ALL DOOMED!
Funny thing is that WAR probably won't get a Mature rating because it doesn't have boobies like Conan.
That was witty, made me laugh.
Another vote for gore. Warhammer is supposed to be a dark and brutal setting.
Having said that, the reality is that they're going for the later-edition, bright and toony wargame feel, so I wouldn't be surprised if the gore gets left out.
I say let's have good graphics with cool shaders before considering gore.
I don't want to see blood spilling in the form of small red triangles.
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I wouldn't mind seeing blood drip when a player was hit with a bleed DoT (if it is in this game)
I wouldn't mind seeing blood splatter when a player made a critical strike.
My point is that blood/gore should be tied into the game to bring a visual effect to attacks that will change the outcome of a fight which you normally wouldn't notice unless you looked at the combat tab or your health bar.
Also, I don't think this game is visually dark and foreboding - it doesn't scare me, and I doubt it scares any of you. A video game based on warhammer should have a certain atmosphere to it that seems to be lacking here - maybe they'll add fog, smoke, or turn down the lighting or something before release. After seeing those screens i don't think a fluffy floppy eared bunny rabbit nibbling on grass in the background would look out of place, do you?
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